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Trigger_happy78
15-07-2012, 01:41 AM
I always wanted a 1911 in my collection and i thought that i would get a Taurus PT1911. Last time i went to buy one couldn't f ind any without rails. All available guns were with rails, IMO the pica-tiny rails spoils the 1911 looks. So ended up buying a Taurus 608 .357 revolver. After watching the thread PT1911 V.S Zigana 1911, i started considering Zigana and Taurus's prices were insanely high. After detailed discussion with Bbiillaall bro, i started to look for one. I wanted one like bbiillaall bro, but only 2 pieces were available in Lahore, one in Nela Gumbat at Mokal Arms and one at Chauhdary Arms. But both in black. After looking and holding the gun i said hey black isn't so bad, actually it looked better. The shopkeeper was asking 70k for it but got it down to 60k. Which isn't bad for this gun. Here are some Specification for this gun.



Caliber
:
.45 ACP


Operating System
:
Simple Recoil System,
Semi- Automatic


Magazine Capacity
:
7, Optional 8-10


Safety Sistem
:
Automatic Firing Pin Blocking Device,
Hammer Blocking Device,
Grip Blocking Device


Aim Order
:
Fixed Front Sight,
Rear Sight With U-Notch


Trigger Pull
:
3000 gr.


Triggering System
:
Single Action


Total Pistol Weight
(Without Magazine)
:
1010 gr. (10 gr.)






Length
:
219 mm.


Height
:
135 mm.


Width
:
35 mm.


Barrel Length
:
127,5 mm.


Line of Sight
:
160 mm.


Operating Temperature
:
-35 C / +60 C


Barrel Rifling
:
Right Hand Twist,
6 Lands and Grooves


Length of Twist
:
400 mm.


Min Barrel Shooting Life
:
25.000



The gun comes in a not so well made plastic box and the package includes, the gun itself, two 8 round Made In Italy MEC-GAR mags, cleaning brush and a blue cloth, and instruction manual.

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k512/bilal_qureshi1/IMAG0219.jpg

INITIAL IMPRESSION:

The gun looks well made and has a matt black finish, which seems good. The machining of the internal parts is quite good.
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k512/bilal_qureshi1/DSC00589.jpg
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The gun has quite a heft to it. Around 1000+ grams as mentioned by the gun makers. The trigger is nice and light and breaks cleanly. The slide doesn't move as smoothly as i thought but maybe it will smooth out after few hundred rounds. There is no rattle in the slide and the frame and slide fit is reasonably tight. Slide stop/release lever is hard at this time and would have been nice if it was bit beefier, i cant reach it easily and is bit stiff.
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k512/bilal_qureshi1/DSC00590.jpg
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http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k512/bilal_qureshi1/DSC00572.jpg

The grip safety nice and smooth but i like the Taurus's more. In-fact i think this gun is not as well made as Taurus PT1911. But its cheaper and that's what you have to compromise, Quality. I think its not bad for the price it comes in. If you can afford more or willing to pay 100k+ for a Taurus, then be my guest and go for it. But I'm not spending 100k's on a Taurus. The mags are very well made and hold 8 rounds. Mec-Gar makes very good quality mags. I think Mag quality is better then Taurus's.
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k512/bilal_qureshi1/DSC00597.jpg

Trigger_happy78
15-07-2012, 02:05 AM
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k512/bilal_qureshi1/DSC00598.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k512/bilal_qureshi1/DSC00599.jpg

The gun is pretty reliable. I didn't have any problems of any sort while my session of 100 rounds. Its fun to shoot and is very accurate. The felt recoil is very less and trigger is good. The sights are fixed and are complete black. Yes no three dot system, no straight eight, no white or any color marking, just plain black front and rear sights. But the air between the rear sight is very less and that takes away some margin of error.
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k512/bilal_qureshi1/DSC00592.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k512/bilal_qureshi1/DSC00593.jpg

The Things that i don't like about this gun are the sights, They are fixed, and there is no option of changing them(i think). The barrel is very thin. I don't know if all 1911 barrels are like this or this particular gun has a thin barrel. Maybe senior and experienced member like Denovo87, Avais, bbiillaall and Umer Butt who own a 1911 can comment on that.
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k512/bilal_qureshi1/DSC00584.jpg
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http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k512/bilal_qureshi1/DSC00586.jpg

The slide release lever is hard and thin. The mag release button is also very stiff. But these things normally smooth out after a while. Don't like the grips, Its made of plastic and are bit thicker for my hand. I definitely be changing them soon.
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k512/bilal_qureshi1/DSC00589.jpg

The extractor is unlike Taurus's, and is inside the slide. I don't know if its a good thing or bad.
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k512/bilal_qureshi1/DSC00596.jpg

All in all its a good budget 1911 for the people who can't afford a Dan Wesson or other quality 1911 and sensible enough not to pay a 100+ on a Taurus. If the the difference between Taurus and Zigana is less then 15k then Taurus is a better choice as it has more aftermarkets and looks better. But Zigana is bit more accurate. here are some pics of my first shots with Zigana M1911.

Shooting Zigana M1911:

First shot were test shot fired from 10M. Ammo was Armscor 230grn FMJ's.
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k512/bilal_qureshi1/DSC00600.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k512/bilal_qureshi1/DSC00602.jpg

Then 15M, 5 Shots double handed. Again Armscor Fmj's. First shot was a flyer, as i got a surprise break ;)
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k512/bilal_qureshi1/DSC00603.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k512/bilal_qureshi1/DSC00605.jpg

Didn't did so good at 25M. But the gun is definitely very accurate. I got tired and was flinching. Will shoot again at 25M and update results.
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k512/bilal_qureshi1/DSC00606.jpg

Trigger_happy78
15-07-2012, 02:06 AM
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k512/bilal_qureshi1/DSC00607.jpg

paki.gunner
15-07-2012, 02:30 AM
gun looks solid and good. yes Barrel looks thin

Muhammad m
15-07-2012, 02:34 AM
nicee ... congrats on the new macho gun
ideal for CC in my opinion

semperfi
15-07-2012, 02:41 AM
how much did u buy it for?

DOM
15-07-2012, 02:43 AM
Masha allah and mubarak. Very kool gun, and finish is very good

s.cheema
15-07-2012, 11:26 AM
nice pictures and review

durrani
15-07-2012, 11:51 AM
Very nice Gun Bro, please apprise about the price. Enjoy the shooting.

Trigger_happy78
15-07-2012, 12:03 PM
nicee ... congrats on the new macho gun
ideal for CC in my opinion

Thanks bro. I don't think its ideal for CC, but could be carried. The gun is long and very heavy for comfortable CC. Other limitation is the low cap mag.

Trigger_happy78
15-07-2012, 12:04 PM
how much did u buy it for?

60k bro...

Trigger_happy78
15-07-2012, 12:04 PM
Masha allah and mubarak. Very kool gun, and finish is very good

Thank you very much DOM bro.

Trigger_happy78
15-07-2012, 12:06 PM
nice pictures and review

Thanks S.cheema bro...

Trigger_happy78
15-07-2012, 12:07 PM
Very nice Gun Bro, please apprise about the price. Enjoy the shooting.

Thanks durrani bro. Bought it for 60k...

metalgear
15-07-2012, 12:18 PM
congrats for your new buy !!! nice weapon

Faisji
15-07-2012, 12:21 PM
Congrats on the 1911

It seems a solidly made weapon.It is a series 70 model reproduction.Internals have improved quite a bit on the tisas 1911's since they started exporting to USA.Just a few points to consider.

#It will need about 500-700 rounds break-in as you describe the fit as very tight.

#The feed ramp looks like it will need to be polished so look it up youtube

#During break-in Field strip and clean the gun every 200 rounds.Strip the slide (extractor/firing pin etc) after 500 rounds and clean.Look up the stripping instruction for series 70 extractor/firing pin on the net.Slightly different way of going about it.

#Clean the the gun every 500 rounds after that or once a month if EDCing


Enjoy the gun

sadatpk
15-07-2012, 01:21 PM
it is a fantastic piece of art,Congratulations br TH

Kamranwali
15-07-2012, 02:57 PM
Salam All,
TH bro, CONGRATULATIONS!!!! Thats a SWEET piece :)

About your question on the thin barrel, actually the .45 is a sub-sonic round, and the pressure thatbuilds inside the barrel are less than that for a 9mm, thats why the barrel can be made thinner.

Also, one question, is there a commander size(4.25 inch) option available?

Regards.

Trigger_happy78
15-07-2012, 03:32 PM
congrats for your new buy !!! nice weapon

Thanks Metalgear bro.

Aquarius
15-07-2012, 03:34 PM
Congrats TH bro on your new beautiful toy.. 1911 is a must have handgun for every gun enthusiast and the presentation as well as the photography is equally nice.. enjoy & happy shooting.

Trigger_happy78
15-07-2012, 03:35 PM
Congrats on the 1911

It seems a solidly made weapon.It is a series 70 model reproduction.Internals have improved quite a bit on the tisas 1911's since they started exporting to USA.Just a few points to consider.

#It will need about 500-700 rounds break-in as you describe the fit as very tight.

#The feed ramp looks like it will need to be polished so look it up youtube

#During break-in Field strip and clean the gun every 200 rounds.Strip the slide (extractor/firing pin etc) after 500 rounds and clean.Look up the stripping instruction for series 70 extractor/firing pin on the net.Slightly different way of going about it.

#Clean the the gun every 500 rounds after that or once a month if EDCing


Enjoy the gun

Thanks alot for liking the gun as well as for the tips.

Trigger_happy78
15-07-2012, 03:35 PM
it is a fantastic piece of art,Congratulations br TH

Thank you bro....

Trigger_happy78
15-07-2012, 03:45 PM
Salam All,
TH bro, CONGRATULATIONS!!!! Thats a SWEET piece :)

About your question on the thin barrel, actually the .45 is a sub-sonic round, and the pressure thatbuilds inside the barrel are less than that for a 9mm, thats why the barrel can be made thinner.

Also, one question, is there a commander size(4.25 inch) option available?

Regards.

Thanks Kamranwalli bro. Thanks for clearing the barrel thing. Bro Tisas does make comander models, but i haven't seen it here in Lahore market. Here is the link of their website.
http://www.trabzonsilah.com/eng/index2.php?p=tabancadetay&id=138

Trigger_happy78
15-07-2012, 03:47 PM
Congrats TH bro on your new beautiful toy.. 1911 is a must have handgun for every gun enthusiast and the presentation as well as the photography is equally nice.. enjoy & happy shooting.

Thank you Aquarius bro. Yes i agree that 1911 is a must have weapon for any gun enthusiast and collection isn't complete without a 1911.

rmishaq
15-07-2012, 05:30 PM
Congrats TH!! indeed a very nice gun. My only dislike in it are the sights but looking at how you shot the gun from 10 Nd 15, it doesn't seem like too much of an issue.

Happy shooting!!

mirzaw
15-07-2012, 06:04 PM
Nice gun indeed. Congratulations

Enigmatic Desires
15-07-2012, 07:30 PM
Congrats TH.. The low mag capacity should not be an issue.. Hell with a 1000+ grams waight u can use it as a bludgeon when u run out of ammo!!

Enigmatic Desires
15-07-2012, 07:31 PM
Hmm other then that.... U actualy got a dealer to shave off 10k from a 70k weapon.. Amazing... I need to take bargaining lessons from you bro.

lunaticx
15-07-2012, 09:29 PM
great purchase bro... Udham ... cogratz...... have nice shooting with this beauty...

raja yasir
15-07-2012, 09:54 PM
congrats on the new gun ,nice gun , a very good review and pics.

Moeen
15-07-2012, 10:06 PM
Salam All,
MMMMMMMMMMM...... after much ado, congratulations are in order for you. This is a good gun and you will like it. I recommend that you visit Mufaddil at Buksh Elahi in Lahore and also pick up a .22lr kit for it as it will seriously aid you in bettering accuracy.

Trigger_happy78
16-07-2012, 10:07 AM
Congrats TH!! indeed a very nice gun. My only dislike in it are the sights but looking at how you shot the gun from 10 Nd 15, it doesn't seem like too much of an issue.

Happy shooting!!

Thanks bro. I too wish it had a changeable sights. Would have love to put night sights on it. Now the only option is to change the whole slide...

Trigger_happy78
16-07-2012, 10:08 AM
Nice gun indeed. Congratulations

Thanks you very much bro.

Trigger_happy78
16-07-2012, 10:13 AM
Congrats TH.. The low mag capacity should not be an issue.. Hell with a 1000+ grams waight u can use it as a bludgeon when u run out of ammo!!

Hahaha. that's true. Besides we can get a hi cap mags...

Trigger_happy78
16-07-2012, 10:30 AM
Hmm other then that.... U actualy got a dealer to shave off 10k from a 70k weapon.. Amazing... I need to take bargaining lessons from you bro.

No bro i'm not master of bargaining! The actual price of this gun is 55k. The only reason that dealer qouted 70k was because Taurus 1911 prices got jacked up. And as this was the last piece in his shop so he tried to get rid of it.

Trigger_happy78
16-07-2012, 10:31 AM
great purchase bro... Udham ... cogratz...... have nice shooting with this beauty...

Thanks a-lot bro.

Trigger_happy78
16-07-2012, 10:32 AM
congrats on the new gun ,nice gun , a very good review and pics.

Thanks you raja sahib...

Ahnab
16-07-2012, 10:33 AM
I saw this gun over the weekend during a window shopping trip to Neela Gumbad, and I really liked the low-bore sights and the crisp trigger. But the best thing I loved about it was the fact that, unlike the Taurus offering, it was a true 1911; devoid of any bells & whistles and eye candy, it looked & felt like a hardcore combat pistol just like John M. Browning envisioned his pistol to be.

Great purchase bro! Absolutely brilliant! I'm a huge CZ fan, but there's no gun on the planet that's as beautiful & classy as a 1911! :)

Trigger_happy78
16-07-2012, 10:35 AM
Salam All,
MMMMMMMMMMM...... after much ado, congratulations are in order for you. This is a good gun and you will like it. I recommend that you visit Mufaddil at Buksh Elahi in Lahore and also pick up a .22lr kit for it as it will seriously aid you in bettering accuracy.

Thanks Moeen bro. What a good idea, i didn't know if .22lr kits for this gun were available. Yes that would help my shooting and cut down the ammo cost too..

Trigger_happy78
16-07-2012, 10:42 AM
I saw this gun over the weekend during a window shopping trip to Neela Gumbad, and I really liked the low-bore sights and the crisp trigger. But the best thing I loved about it was the fact that, unlike the Taurus offering, it was a true 1911; devoid of any bells & whistles and eye candy, it looked & felt like a hardcore combat pistol just like John M. Browning envisioned his pistol to be.

Great purchase bro! Absolutely brilliant! I'm a huge CZ fan, but there's no gun on the planet that's as beautiful & classy as a 1911! :)

Thank you bro. I also hope this gun turns out well. I'm not a big fan of Turkish Metallurgy....

bbiillaall
16-07-2012, 10:44 AM
Congrats bro and nice details :)

As I told u, this will give u cent percent (200/200) result at 15 mtrs distance BUT at 25 mtrs the result will not be as good (180/200) SO no worries for 25 mtrs results, just enjoy the .45 calibre, 1911 frame, high kick, big bang and low price :)

As far as sights r concern, u will love to shoot with these sights after some time and than u will really enjoy it.

Once again congrats for the beauty.

AGL
16-07-2012, 10:59 AM
Congrats on ur purchase and don't worry about the barrel, every 1911 has thin barrel like ur zigana.

Denovo87
16-07-2012, 11:25 AM
Heartiest Congrats TH bro (once again) for getting an excellent n father of all semi auto pistols; I really like the finish of this specific piece it looks lot more a 1911 than silver, steel or white brushed finishes.
Excellent shooting as well; you seem to get yourself adjusted very quickly with new gun.

Trigger_happy78
16-07-2012, 01:44 PM
Congrats bro and nice details :)

As I told u, this will give u cent percent (200/200) result at 15 mtrs distance BUT at 25 mtrs the result will not be as good (180/200) SO no worries for 25 mtrs results, just enjoy the .45 calibre, 1911 frame, high kick, big bang and low price :)

As far as sights r concern, u will love to shoot with these sights after some time and than u will really enjoy it.

Once again congrats for the beauty.

Thank you bbiillaall bro for introducing this gun to me and taking time out and shopping with me. Yes first time shots aren't that bad aren't they. Don't worry i'll dial it in for 25M. Love the .45 Cal, and 1911 frame and low price, you were right. But surprisingly the high kick isn't that much as i accepted. About the bang, well haven't used it without ear muffs. Lets hope i get use to the sights....

Trigger_happy78
16-07-2012, 02:54 PM
Congrats on ur purchase and don't worry about the barrel, every 1911 has thin barrel like ur zigana.

Thanks AGL bro..

Trigger_happy78
16-07-2012, 03:01 PM
Heartiest Congrats TH bro (once again) for getting an excellent n father of all semi auto pistols; I really like the finish of this specific piece it looks lot more a 1911 than silver, steel or white brushed finishes.
Excellent shooting as well; you seem to get yourself adjusted very quickly with new gun.

Thank you Denovo87 bro. You know i always wanted to buy a 1911. It really is daddy of all semi autos. Glad that you like the finish of this gun, im re leaved now. Well it took me some time to dial in my Caracal and my Ex Duty, but it seems like me and 1911s are a good combo. Yes this gun does look more like a classic 1911 then Taurus 1911 with rails. Taurus got some hideous rails on it...

Soldier
16-07-2012, 09:24 PM
Congratulations Bro on ur purchase. :)
1911 is a must have handgun and it is also on my wish list.
Happy & Safe Shooting.

Trigger_happy78
16-07-2012, 10:11 PM
Congratulations Bro on ur purchase. :)
1911 is a must have handgun and it is also on my wish list.
Happy & Safe Shooting.

Thanks a lot bro. I agree 1911 is a must have gun. anybody who knows about guns knows that their collection is incomplete without a 1911.

Ameer
16-07-2012, 11:24 PM
Congratulations T_H once again, r these 1911 magazines interchangeable?

Trigger_happy78
17-07-2012, 11:09 AM
Congratulations T_H once again, r these 1911 magazines interchangeable?

Yes they are, can be used with any model 70 1911.

bbiillaall
17-07-2012, 03:46 PM
Thank you bbiillaall bro for introducing this gun to me and taking time out and shopping with me. Yes first time shots aren't that bad aren't they. Don't worry i'll dial it in for 25M. Love the .45 Cal, and 1911 frame and low price, you were right. But surprisingly the high kick isn't that much as i accepted. About the bang, well haven't used it without ear muffs. Lets hope i get use to the sights....

U r always welcome bro :)

Just hold the gun with light grip and than feel the kick :) u will love it.

Pls dont shoot without ear muffs.

Trigger_happy78
17-07-2012, 09:32 PM
U r always welcome bro :)

Just hold the gun with light grip and than feel the kick :) u will love it.

Pls dont shoot without ear muffs.

hahaha. Bro don't worry my ears just got better few days ago from the Sialkot shooting. I not even shooting a .22 without ear muffs.

Atif Bashir
18-07-2012, 12:04 AM
Nice gun i m also planning for this GUN

Trigger_happy78
18-07-2012, 12:09 AM
Nice gun i m also planning for this GUN

You better hurry then when i bought mine only one piece was available in Lahore market at Nela Gumbat at Mokal Arms....

Ameer
18-07-2012, 10:22 AM
I was looking at the Tisas web, this 1911 is available with different specs and in different finish. There was one that was better looking than others but i wonder if all them are at same price and if all models are available. Umar Butt/Bilal zigana 1911 was with adjustable sights?

Any how 60k is a v cool price for this 1911. I am also now interested in buying one, thanks to Trigger Happy for once again creating the itch, hehehe.

Trigger_happy78
18-07-2012, 01:26 PM
I was looking at the Tisas web, this 1911 is available with different specs and in different finish. There was one that was better looking than others but i wonder if all them are at same price and if all models are available. Umar Butt/Bilal zigana 1911 was with adjustable sights?

Any how 60k is a v cool price for this 1911. I am also now interested in buying one, thanks to Trigger Happy for once again creating the itch, hehehe.

Yes Ameer bro. There are quite good looking 1911 on Tisas website. But unfortunately we have to buy what we can get here in our markets. for example i like 1911s in black color. But the dealers prefer SS finish because it sells more. So that's why most of the Taurus PT1911s you see are in SS finish. IF i could find a black PT1911 without rails i wouldn't have bought this gun.

Ameer
18-07-2012, 11:25 PM
Since decocker is not available in 1911, how is it carried for SD? Bullet chambered, Cocked n Locked?

Faisji
18-07-2012, 11:31 PM
Since decocker is not available in 1911, how is it carried for SD? Bullet chambered, Cocked n Locked?

Cocked and locked as John Moses Browning intended it

Trigger_happy78
19-07-2012, 03:08 PM
Since decocker is not available in 1911, how is it carried for SD? Bullet chambered, Cocked n Locked?

Yup. Bullet chambered, Cocked and locked. Only why to carry 1911 effectively

Trigger_happy78
23-07-2012, 01:52 PM
Yesterday i fired 25 rounds from my Zigana 1911. Had two Failiure to Feed on the last round from both mags. Ammo was Armscore 230 gr FMJ, same that i used in the review, but that day i didn't have any issues. What could it be?

Nazim Sahib
23-07-2012, 02:19 PM
Beauifull pics and beautifull gun.Hope your problem with the FTF but it isnt that big of a deal just being 2 rounds for the time being.

Faisji
23-07-2012, 08:34 PM
Yesterday i fired 25 rounds from my Zigana 1911. Had two Failiure to Feed on the last round from both mags. Ammo was Armscore 230 gr FMJ, same that i used in the review, but that day i didn't have any issues. What could it be?

The last round in a mag that doesn't feed is usually associated with a weak mag spring coupled with a slightly tight extractor. When the mag is near empty, there is less spring compression to pop the last round in the mag up the breech face, and there is not the same support of a round underneath the last round in the mag to push it up as high on the breech face. The magazine follower may not provide as much support as a round still left in the mag.

If the extractor is too tight then the rounds ftf 45 degree angle at the nose.

Denovo87
23-07-2012, 08:55 PM
Yesterday i fired 25 rounds from my Zigana 1911. Had two Failiure to Feed on the last round from both mags. Ammo was Armscore 230 gr FMJ, same that i used in the review, but that day i didn't have any issues. What could it be?

What about second last's; did they eject perfectly? where/in which position n how far exactly were these rounds stuck?

Ameer
23-07-2012, 08:56 PM
Yesterday i fired 25 rounds from my Zigana 1911. Had two Failiure to Feed on the last round from both mags. Ammo was Armscore 230 gr FMJ, same that i used in the review, but that day i didn't have any issues. What could it be?

I never tried a 1911, it would be helpful if u could have posted the pic.....to check where the bullet is residing at the FTF. It may be spring problem, if its the LAST ROUND only.

Trigger_happy78
23-07-2012, 09:50 PM
What about second last's; did they eject perfectly? where/in which position n how far exactly were these rounds stuck?

Second last round ejects fine. All the ejected casing fall on right side of me some further then others. I think Faisji bro has a point the last round gets stuck at 45 degree angle and when i eject it manually it has marks on the casing tip where the lead starts. And the last bullet doesn't go in all the way. If i smack the slide from back it goes in and then ejects fine.

Khan381
23-07-2012, 10:18 PM
go to gunsmith.. he ll press the spring for u n then it will be fine.. i had same but when loaded fully with the first round.. after pressing the mag springs it worked finee..

bkhan
24-07-2012, 07:57 AM
That's a good looking gun. I m wondering our men in Dara make 1911 copy or they didn't started yet? Anyone saw or have a copy of 1911?

bbiillaall
24-07-2012, 09:14 AM
Dear TH bro how many rounds u hv filled in the mag when this FTF occurred??
Pls try after fill in 1 bullet less. If it will be mag spring fault than this will always happen regardless the number of bullets u put in mag.

Even put 1 bullet in mag and than try it. in case of mag faults u will know otherwise will hv to see something else.

Trigger_happy78
24-07-2012, 10:31 AM
Dear TH bro how many rounds u hv filled in the mag when this FTF occurred??
Pls try after fill in 1 bullet less. If it will be mag spring fault than this will always happen regardless the number of bullets u put in mag.

Even put 1 bullet in mag and than try it. in case of mag faults u will know otherwise will hv to see something else.

When first FTF occurred, the mag was full. So i thought maybe spring is tight or something. The i loaded the second mag(not the one with prior FTF) with 5 rounds and the last round didn't go in the chamber again. Today i'll shoot the gun again in the evening, if the problem arises again i'll take some pics.

bbiillaall
24-07-2012, 11:00 AM
When first FTF occurred, the mag was full. So i thought maybe spring is tight or something. The i loaded the second mag(not the one with prior FTF) with 5 rounds and the last round didn't go in the chamber again. Today i'll shoot the gun again in the evening, if the problem arises again i'll take some pics.

try to shoot with 1 and than 2 and than 3 and than 4 and than 5 rounds and than full capacity in the mag and whichever causes FTF, double check it and than we will work on solution.

Also, meanwhile, pls fill full mag capacity and chamber it and again rack the slide to take off the chambered round and than again rack the slide to take out the second chambered round and keep on doing till mag is empty and see if problem is there as well OR only it arises when gun is fired.

Denovo87
24-07-2012, 11:11 AM
When first FTF occurred, the mag was full. So i thought maybe spring is tight or something. The i loaded the second mag(not the one with prior FTF) with 5 rounds and the last round didn't go in the chamber again. Today i'll shoot the gun again in the evening, if the problem arises again i'll take some pics.

Can you post both magazine close ups ? from top and front. By the way very first sign of loose mag spring is slide donot lock on empty magazine (during shooting), did you experience this sign?

Trigger_happy78
24-07-2012, 02:37 PM
Can you post both magazine close ups ? from top and front. By the way very first sign of loose mag spring is slide donot lock on empty magazine (during shooting), did you experience this sign?

No denovo87 bro the slide locks back on the last round if it fires and ejected. Will post pics of the loaded mags and the FTF issue if it happens today..

Mani
24-07-2012, 10:23 PM
Congrats bro.

Trigger_happy78
24-07-2012, 11:21 PM
Well i fired the gun again today with Paki.gunner bro. Loaded the first mag with 5 rounds and the all fired flawlessly. Loaded the other mag with 5 rounds and on the last round again had the FTF again. And this happens with this mad only. One mag works well other one gives me this problem. Here are few pics.
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k512/bilal_qureshi1/IMAG0220.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k512/bilal_qureshi1/IMAG0221.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k512/bilal_qureshi1/IMAG0222.jpg

Faisji
24-07-2012, 11:24 PM
Remember with 1911's extractors are a bigger issue than magazine you can put Wilson combat 47ds in a custom finish gun needing extractor tuning and still it will FTF all day long(Kimber?)>make sure you get the gun checked out by someone who knows how to tune the extractor.

Trigger_happy78
24-07-2012, 11:44 PM
Remember with 1911's extractors are a bigger issue than magazine you can put Wilson combat 47ds in a custom finish gun needing extractor tuning and still it will FTF all day long(Kimber?)>make sure you get the gun checked out by someone who knows how to tune the extractor.

Hmmm ok bro...

Denovo87
25-07-2012, 12:02 AM
Check for difference in both magazines TH bro; thing to check most is how follower rests at the top of mag lips.

Trigger_happy78
25-07-2012, 11:49 AM
Check for difference in both magazines TH bro; thing to check most is how follower rests at the top of mag lips.

Ok bro.....

Ameer
25-07-2012, 04:51 PM
@T_H,

your bullet is sitting in front of extractor, may be the spring issues buddy nothing else.

Trigger_happy78
25-07-2012, 06:09 PM
@T_H,

your bullet is sitting in front of extractor, may be the spring issues buddy nothing else.

Are you talking about the Mag spring??

Trigger_happy78
25-07-2012, 06:14 PM
try to shoot with 1 and than 2 and than 3 and than 4 and than 5 rounds and than full capacity in the mag and whichever causes FTF, double check it and than we will work on solution.

Also, meanwhile, pls fill full mag capacity and chamber it and again rack the slide to take off the chambered round and than again rack the slide to take out the second chambered round and keep on doing till mag is empty and see if problem is there as well OR only it arises when gun is fired.

Bro today i tried your way. Loaded one round in the mag then chambered it. Then extracted the round manually, then 2 rounds, then 3, then 4, 5,6,7,8. Worked fine with both mags. Can it be user error. because i do grip the gun very high, and rest my thumb on the safety. Maybe my thumb touches the slide causing it not to cycle properly and causing a malfunction.

Faisji
25-07-2012, 09:58 PM
Like this?
http://i.imgur.com/LQPAa.jpg

Atif Bashir
31-07-2012, 12:20 AM
Like this?
http://i.imgur.com/LQPAa.jpg
Yes dear like it very much.

Trigger_happy78
31-07-2012, 11:55 AM
Like this?
http://i.imgur.com/LQPAa.jpg

Yes like this. As you can see my hands might be contacting the slide causing it to malfunction

bbiillaall
31-07-2012, 11:56 AM
Bro today i tried your way. Loaded one round in the mag then chambered it. Then extracted the round manually, then 2 rounds, then 3, then 4, 5,6,7,8. Worked fine with both mags. Can it be user error. because i do grip the gun very high, and rest my thumb on the safety. Maybe my thumb touches the slide causing it not to cycle properly and causing a malfunction.

I think this is exactly the case and there is no problem in gun and its mags.

Pls do bring ur 1911 this weekend when u will come for GTG and will test it to its best :)

Dont worry, it will not be torture test :)

Trigger_happy78
31-07-2012, 02:03 PM
I think this is exactly the case and there is no problem in gun and its mags.

Pls do bring ur 1911 this weekend when u will come for GTG and will test it to its best :)

Dont worry, it will not be torture test :)

I don't think it will withstand the torture test, remember its a Turkish made gun not Russian made bro lols

Atif Bashir
03-08-2012, 12:09 AM
oaa now guns are also invited at Aftari :ban:

bbiillaall
03-08-2012, 01:37 PM
I don't think it will withstand the torture test, remember its a Turkish made gun not Russian made bro lols

SO we r having torture test :)

Mani
03-08-2012, 08:44 PM
Congrats Bro. nice purchasing.

Omer571
12-08-2012, 12:40 AM
Congrats bro, it indeed is a Black Beauty !!!

Great inputs by members !!!!

Yar Naveed Bhai, Jaldeeeeeeeeeee karo !!!!!

zahidkpk
12-08-2012, 06:09 AM
mubarak ho..nice

Trigger_happy78
13-08-2012, 02:33 PM
Congrats bro, it indeed is a Black Beauty !!!

Great inputs by members !!!!

Yar Naveed Bhai, Jaldeeeeeeeeeee karo !!!!!

Thanks Omer571 bro.

Trigger_happy78
13-08-2012, 02:34 PM
mubarak ho..nice

Thanks bro....

Trigger_happy78
13-08-2012, 02:37 PM
Well guys i'm glad to report that the feeding issue is resolved. The mags that came with the gun were the culprit. After using the Taurus 1911 mags the gun fired just fine. Thanks Umer Butt bro.

Denovo87
13-08-2012, 02:48 PM
Well guys i'm glad to report that the feeding issue is resolved. The mags that came with the gun were the culprit. After using the Taurus 1911 mags the gun fired just fine. Thanks Umer Butt bro.

I told you bro; anyways nice to hear that problem is identified and be rectified soon.

Trigger_happy78
13-08-2012, 03:43 PM
I told you bro; anyways nice to hear that problem is identified and be rectified soon.

And you were right as always thanks. This also tells us the even Macgar mags are of not a good quality.... Even though they're are supposed to be made in Italy but they're just cheap Turkish made mags..

Ameer
13-08-2012, 10:24 PM
Good to hear that ur problem has been solved.

Ahnab
13-08-2012, 10:56 PM
And you were right as always thanks. This also tells us the even Macgar mags are of not a good quality.... Even though they're are supposed to be made in Italy but they're just cheap Turkish made mags..

MecGar mags being made in TURKEY!? Wow that's new! :twitch:

Trigger_happy78
13-08-2012, 11:25 PM
MecGar mags being made in TURKEY!? Wow that's new! :twitch:

Come on bro who are you kidding. Everyone knows that Webley & Scott and Churchill shotguns are now being made in Turkie. But there is made in england and Made in Italy written on it. So they can also write Made in Italy on Macgar mags, which is actually made in Turkie. Besides there is a hell of a difference between the quality of Taurus mags and the mags that came with Zigana. Simply changed the mags and now the gun is working just fine.

Ahnab
14-08-2012, 12:20 AM
Hmmm interesting. I've actually NEVER heard of MecGar mags failing, irrespective of their point of origin. My Piranha came with 2 MecGar mags and I've never seen a problem. Is it possible that the problem lay in your own mags? I mean, the particular production batch could be faulty. Just saying...

But still, faulty mags is completely unacceptable.

Trigger_happy78
14-08-2012, 03:02 PM
Hmmm interesting. I've actually NEVER heard of MecGar mags failing, irrespective of their point of origin. My Piranha came with 2 MecGar mags and I've never seen a problem. Is it possible that the problem lay in your own mags? I mean, the particular production batch could be faulty. Just saying...

But still, faulty mags is completely unacceptable.

Yes it could be the problem with the mags that came with my gun. Both mags had the same issue. Now i have a one Taurus mag and one Mec-Gar mag. Taurus one works fine but the Mec-Gar one creats problems on the last round.

Aquarius
14-08-2012, 04:30 PM
Yes it could be the problem with the mags that came with my gun. Both mags had the same issue. Now i have a one Taurus mag and one Mec-Gar mag. Taurus one works fine but the Mec-Gar one creats problems on the last round.
TH brother try find 2/3 more Taurus magazines and then your mind will be at peace.

Trigger_happy78
14-08-2012, 04:48 PM
TH brother try find 2/3 more Taurus magazines and then your mind will be at peace.

That what's my plan too. Unless i can do even better. BTW what's the price of a Taurus 1911 Mag???

Aquarius
14-08-2012, 04:56 PM
That what's my plan too. Unless i can do even better. BTW what's the price of a Taurus 1911 Mag???
Bro I guess its short in the market (am talking about Peshawar market) so if you can get for 4/5K, it will be a good deal.

Trigger_happy78
14-08-2012, 05:00 PM
Thanks for the info bro

Aquarius
14-08-2012, 05:03 PM
The new consignment is due after Eid.. will let you know then.

Trigger_happy78
14-08-2012, 07:47 PM
The new consignment is due after Eid.. will let you know then.

Thanks sir that very kind of you..

AK47
15-08-2012, 08:14 AM
Nothing beats the confidence of holding a cocked, ready to go 1911 in the hands.

And black is black here!

I suppose I've somehow missed this wonderful thread here. Wanted to explore it from PC back home post-Eid, but couldn't resist doing so from gprs.

A seemingly beautiful handgun TH bro, welcome to the fat guys club, a 45'er is a must for any handgun enthusiast.

Congrats!

Regards.

Amayed
17-08-2012, 05:47 AM
Where and for how much can I buy this for in karachi ? And what's the diff between tisas 1911 and zigana 1911 ?

Trigger_happy78
17-08-2012, 02:19 PM
Nothing beats the confidence of holding a cocked, ready to go 1911 in the hands.

And black is black here!

I suppose I've somehow missed this wonderful thread here. Wanted to explore it from PC back home post-Eid, but couldn't resist doing so from gprs.

A seemingly beautiful handgun TH bro, welcome to the fat guys club, a 45'er is a must for any handgun enthusiast.

Congrats!

Regards.

Thanks Ak47 bro.

Trigger_happy78
17-08-2012, 02:20 PM
Where and for how much can I buy this for in karachi ? And what's the diff between tisas 1911 and zigana 1911 ?

Don't know about the Karachi price but i bought it for 60k from Lahore. Tisas 1911 and Zigana1911 are the same

Amayed
17-08-2012, 08:12 PM
Anyone pleasee hit me up with the dealer who sells this in karachi. ?!

Amayed
18-08-2012, 06:43 AM
Gunners I need a reply asap :)

Trigger_happy78
18-08-2012, 11:43 AM
Gunners I need a reply asap :)

Comon Karachi guys help the guy out...

Trigger_happy78
18-08-2012, 09:25 PM
Hi guyz today i recieved my new grips for my Zigana 1911 from US :dance:

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k512/bilal_qureshi1/IMAG0239.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k512/bilal_qureshi1/IMAG0238.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k512/bilal_qureshi1/IMAG0236.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k512/bilal_qureshi1/IMAG0237.jpg

sharp-shooter
18-08-2012, 09:55 PM
Congrats T_H bro for the grips.... i feel it's not looking good and to an extent it is destroying the classy looks of 1911 (this iz my personal opinion i hope u wont mind)

Birdshooter007
18-08-2012, 10:27 PM
Frankly, they aren't looking good to me. But congrats!

Ameer
18-08-2012, 10:54 PM
congrats T_H78, i liked the grips though. I really have liked the original BHW wood grips by Taurus. I don't know abt their availability?

Congratulations once again.

Trigger_happy78
18-08-2012, 11:16 PM
Congrats T_H bro for the grips.... i feel it's not looking good and to an extent it is destroying the classy looks of 1911 (this iz my personal opinion i hope u wont mind)

Thanks bro. Your right, the wooden grips would have looked better, but the is not much option these days on the net. Not many websites are delivering their products here. Otherwise my first choice was Pachmayres grips, but they don't deliver here. The original were all black and the gun looked very dull. Anyways i like them and no offense taken ;)

Trigger_happy78
18-08-2012, 11:16 PM
Frankly, they aren't looking good to me. But congrats!

Thanks bro...

Trigger_happy78
18-08-2012, 11:19 PM
congrats T_H78, i liked the grips though. I really have liked the original BHW wood grips by Taurus. I don't know abt their availability?

Congratulations once again.

Those are some sweet grips. They can be ordered from the Taurus website. But the problem these days is nobody is delivering to Pakistan. Some B***S*** Us policies

joney
19-08-2012, 12:00 AM
Nice grip trigger bro,

it's seemz that bullet is despretly wanna come out from the barrel.. ;)..

Amayed
19-08-2012, 05:26 AM
Guys please help me out. Anyone know any dealer in karachi who has this gun ?

Trigger_happy78
19-08-2012, 01:26 PM
Nice grip trigger bro,

it's seemz that bullet is despretly wanna come out from the barrel.. ;)..

Thanks bro that's the whole idea.

Amayed
19-08-2012, 03:11 PM
Sir which dealer in lahore has it ?

Trigger_happy78
19-08-2012, 03:56 PM
Sir which dealer in lahore has it ?

Bro try Mokal Arms or Chauhdary Arms.

Amayed
19-08-2012, 04:19 PM
Both have it ? And which one did you buy it from ?

TRX
22-08-2012, 06:16 AM
That's a fine looking pistol!

There's nothing wrong with the barrel - they're supposed to look like that.

FTF (failure to feed) problems can be irritating and difficult to track down. They're often magazine related, but any problems are usually invisible to the naked eye.

This site has quite a bit of troubleshooting information for the 1911: http://www.gungeek.cixx6.com/

Trigger_happy78
22-08-2012, 12:45 PM
That's a fine looking pistol!

There's nothing wrong with the barrel - they're supposed to look like that.

FTF (failure to feed) problems can be irritating and difficult to track down. They're often magazine related, but any problems are usually invisible to the naked eye.

This site has quite a bit of troubleshooting information for the 1911: http://www.gungeek.cixx6.com/

Thanks TRX bro. Nice share...

rmishaq
22-08-2012, 01:07 PM
Both have it ? And which one did you buy it from ?
Didn't see at Mokal the last time I was there. Chaudhry still might have it. They're essentially the same peoe though so if one has it, you could get it from the other in a couple of hours (transport time from Main blvd. to neela Gumbad)

Trigger_happy78
22-08-2012, 08:38 PM
Didn't see at Mokal the last time I was there. Chaudhry still might have it. They're essentially the same peoe though so if one has it, you could get it from the other in a couple of hours (transport time from Main blvd. to neela Gumbad)

They both don't have them in stock right now. called them to inquire about the mags...

Enigmatic Desires
23-08-2012, 09:30 PM
Umm trigger happy 78... they err... U know.. kind of look different...

Trigger_happy78
24-08-2012, 02:06 PM
Umm trigger happy 78... they err... U know.. kind of look different...

I know they're not everyones cup of tea. I bought them because of the idea that bullets are anxious to be fired. I also love every moment that i get to fire this gun. I like shooting .45ACP more then i do 9mm. The bang and the recoil is just sensational

Atif Bashir
24-08-2012, 07:17 PM
I know they're not everyones cup of tea. I bought them because of the idea that bullets are anxious to be fired. I also love every moment that i get to fire this gun. I like shooting .45ACP more then i do 9mm. The bang and the recoil is just sensational

Trigger Happy brother i seen few finest grips for 1911 at this site please check link
http://www.raascogrips.com/1911-grips--custom-exo1911.html

Trigger_happy78
24-08-2012, 07:33 PM
Trigger Happy brother i seen few finest grips for 1911 at this site please check link
http://www.raascogrips.com/1911-grips--custom-exo1911.html

Thanks for the link bro. Problem isn't finding the nicer grips, the problem is getting them here. Does this website deliver to Pakistan?

Atif Bashir
28-08-2012, 11:53 AM
Thanks for the link bro. Problem isn't finding the nicer grips, the problem is getting them here. Does this website deliver to Pakistan?

Sorry Trigger happy brother i found this info at their website "As of January 1, 2012, RAASCO Grips no longer ships Internationally."

Trigger happy i have a plan to visit Multan may i have your contact number/email please ?

Trigger_happy78
28-08-2012, 01:15 PM
Sorry Trigger happy brother i found this info at their website "As of January 1, 2012, RAASCO Grips no longer ships Internationally."

Trigger happy i have a plan to visit Multan may i have your contact number/email please ?

Sure bro. My email is lwk0333@gmail.com. contact me here...

Atif Bashir
29-08-2012, 03:53 PM
Sure bro. My email is lwk0333@gmail.com. contact me here...

Noted with thanks, email sent.

Trigger_happy78
29-08-2012, 08:21 PM
Email sent to you too bro...

AKA777
01-09-2012, 12:55 AM
nice gun bro

TRX
01-09-2012, 04:29 PM
my first choice was Pachmayres grips

Pachmyr has at least three different models of their wraparound rubber grip now. I have a 1911 I acquired in the 1980s, that has a Pachmyr grip. It is flat, checkered rubber. I like it a lot. When I got a second 1911 I wanted another grip like that, but Pachmyr's web site now only shows nasty grips with huge thumb ridges, finger grooves, and medallions. They have "improved" their 1911 grip into something they couldn't pay me to put on my gun.

Later, I found what I thought was an original type grip like I already had and bought it from a guy on eBay. It turns out to be halfway between my grip and the new Pachmyr grip - it has shallow thumb ridges, but no medallions or finger grooves. I will use it until I can find one like I want.

I'm sure there are companies making imitation Pachmyr grips, but I haven't tracked them down yet.

Trigger_happy78
02-09-2012, 02:20 PM
Pachmyr has at least three different models of their wraparound rubber grip now. I have a 1911 I acquired in the 1980s, that has a Pachmyr grip. It is flat, checkered rubber. I like it a lot. When I got a second 1911 I wanted another grip like that, but Pachmyr's web site now only shows nasty grips with huge thumb ridges, finger grooves, and medallions. They have "improved" their 1911 grip into something they couldn't pay me to put on my gun.

Later, I found what I thought was an original type grip like I already had and bought it from a guy on eBay. It turns out to be halfway between my grip and the new Pachmyr grip - it has shallow thumb ridges, but no medallions or finger grooves. I will use it until I can find one like I want.

I'm sure there are companies making imitation Pachmyr grips, but I haven't tracked them down yet.

Bro the net is full of wonderful grips for 1911's. There are alot of companies making them. But the problem is getting them here...

wasifali89
11-09-2012, 03:37 PM
nice gun bro...... i was wondering where are the local clone manufacturers on the 1911 case ?
its much easier and simpler to make then the rest they are working on

BIG BORE
23-09-2012, 02:57 AM
Thank you bro. I also hope this gun turns out well. I'm not a big fan of Turkish Metallurgy....

Turkish Metallurgy! what is your negative experience with it brother.

Ameer
23-09-2012, 09:29 AM
@ Trigger_Happy78,

At Turkish Metallurgy, i agree with you. Kanuni S was my first turkish handgun but after firing 50 rounds, it was giving an apperance of 500 rounds fired. Specifically i am talking abt the lines or scratches that it has left between the moving parts. May be they need to make it finer.

What do u say brother?

Asif Jhammat
19-10-2012, 06:16 PM
brother M45 of zigana is available here in lhr or not?

Trigger_happy78
19-10-2012, 06:54 PM
Turkish Metallurgy! what is your negative experience with it brother.

So far the gun performing well according to its price. No big issues of any kind. The mags that come with this gun are crap. Changed them with PT1911's and its working flawlessly...

Trigger_happy78
19-10-2012, 06:56 PM
@ Trigger_Happy78,

At Turkish Metallurgy, i agree with you. Kanuni S was my first turkish handgun but after firing 50 rounds, it was giving an apperance of 500 rounds fired. Specifically i am talking abt the lines or scratches that it has left between the moving parts. May be they need to make it finer.

What do u say brother?

Ameer bro. I have just crossed 200 round mark. So far finish and internal arts are holding out just fine.

shahroze
03-12-2012, 07:22 PM
nice gun
these grips would suite more on a silver frame anyways goodluck with it

eminentpk
08-05-2013, 01:49 AM
Beautiful! Indeed classy

ALI GUJJAR
08-05-2013, 02:03 PM
nice weapon congrats for your new buy.:smile:

lifebreakking
09-05-2013, 01:10 AM
Congrats on your purchase brother

adk_226nda_125
07-06-2013, 11:57 PM
AOA Bro,

i am planning to buy this gun ZIG 1911, could u please tell me in detail the performance of this gun............

tashfeenkarim
09-03-2015, 12:21 AM
most reliable guns are Norinco, tried tested, they are the best.

tashfeenkarim
09-03-2015, 12:24 AM
it can never happen, but a lot of KPK fake turkish guns are being sold. but of you do opt a turkish gun, go for canik or sarsilmaz, as both gun companies provide arms to armed forces. Only reliable dealer is illahi buksh.