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Abbas
20-06-2011, 12:22 AM
Salams,

I recently bought a Dan Wesson Valor (Bobtail Commander), which is probably the best production 1911 money can buy.

The gun true to the 1911 heritage is in .45 ACP, has grip and external safeties, Trijicon 'Straight 8' night sights and awesome looking G 10 grips. Calling this a production gun is almost an insult, everything about it is custom / hand built. The slide to frame / barrel / bushing fitting is so tight and perfect that it took me the better part of an hour disassemble and reassemble it. The machining is simply outstanding.

Holding the gun for the first time the word that comes to mind is quality. It feels solid and if I might say extremely badass. I've been around guns all my life but only when handling the Valor I understood the feeling criminals must feel when holding a gun for the first time, 'Empowerment'. You know a weapon is special when it makes you feel something other than just wanting it.

The tech specs: Made of Forged Stainless Steel with a 4.3 inch Match grade barrel, two high quality 'CheckMate' 8 rounds mags, weighing around 2.2 lbs (1000g) and with the amazing DUTY finish. The trigger is adjustable and around 4.5 pounds from the factory.

Now for some pictures:

http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii99/AbbasMalik/DW1.jpg

http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii99/AbbasMalik/Dw2.jpg

http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii99/AbbasMalik/Dw3.jpg

http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii99/AbbasMalik/Dw4.jpg

http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii99/AbbasMalik/Dw5.jpg

http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii99/AbbasMalik/Dw6.jpg

http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii99/AbbasMalik/DW7.jpg

http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii99/AbbasMalik/Dw8.jpg

http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii99/AbbasMalik/Dw9.jpg

http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii99/AbbasMalik/Dw10.jpg

Abbas
20-06-2011, 12:22 AM
Following are some comparative pics with the Taurus 1911 which is our benchmark for 1911's here in Pakistan.

My PT1911 is a full framed 1911 with a 5 inch barrel while the Valor is a Commander model which basically has a shorter barrel length for easier carry.

http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii99/AbbasMalik/Dw11.jpg

http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii99/AbbasMalik/Dw12.jpg

http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii99/AbbasMalik/Dw13.jpg

http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii99/AbbasMalik/Dw14.jpg

http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii99/AbbasMalik/Dw15.jpg
http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii99/AbbasMalik/Dw17.jpg

http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii99/AbbasMalik/Dw16.jpg

In my opinion there is no comparison in quality between these two guns. The DW is in another class altogether. A decent comparison would be with other 1911 names like Kimber or perhaps even Les Baer.

Since this is a carry gun rather than a range gun what really makes it stand out is the DUTY or Ceramic coating on the stainless steel frame/slide. It is very scratch resistant and although I would not like to experiment on my piece this link http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2010/01/05/czs-new-dan-wesson-valor-1911-with-duty-coating/ should make things clear.

Abbas
20-06-2011, 12:22 AM
Shooting the Valor:

I couldn't wait for range day to shoot the DW. Bought 300 rounds of different makes to test it.

http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii99/AbbasMalik/DW18.jpg

http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii99/AbbasMalik/Dw19.jpg

Loaded the mags, racked the slide to chamber the round, the gun felt even better. Fired it and went "****", but then I'm not much of a .45 fan. My targets were not post worthy and asked Starfish, Anthrax and Omer Butt to shoot the gun for posting. All shot the crap out of the targets at 15 M. Groups were everywhere. Thanks guys, making me look bad :mmph: ;)

Targets below:

http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii99/AbbasMalik/Dw20.jpg

http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii99/AbbasMalik/Dw21.jpg

http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii99/AbbasMalik/IMG_0521.jpg

The gun itself is fabulous and extremely accurate. It is a pure carry gun with does not disappoint come range day. None of the guys who shot this gun had any issues with it, I did however have some observations.

1). The grip chequring is too aggressive for me at 25 LPI. I would have preferred it at something like 30 or 35. The gun is very grippy indeed with the 25 but made my hands feel like cheese through a grater after 30 rounds.

2). The trigger sort of bites your fingertip. Each shot felt like a pin prick.

3). The recoil is substantial, so much so that after firing the first 5 shots everyone was shooting atleast 2/3 inches from the center.

4). Trigger although at 4 / 4.5 has a very slight creep in it. I would love no creep and would not mind predictable creep but the way it breaks, I did not like 100 %.

I tried a misfit Houge over the grips to see if it helped improve shooting and it did but the trigger still bit.

I have shot upto 1500 rounds in a day but never have I had swollen fingers, the DW is the only gun to make my hands and fingertip in particular to swell and hurt for more than 24 hours. One might compare it to a rug burn, it hurts but you're happy why you got it ;)

I would like to say that all of the other friends who fired it did not experience any of the above except more recoil but then this is not a range gun, it is a pure thoroughbred combat handgun which allows you to shoot two or three mags at the the range now and then.

Verdict: An absolute prize for anyone who likes to carry .45's and the full length Valor is the best 1911 around, period.

Huzaifa
20-06-2011, 12:34 AM
Congratulations Abbas Bhai very very good & nice purchase & wonderful photography too. Thanks for sharing.

Anthrax
20-06-2011, 12:36 AM
Excellent Review Abbas brother.

Since I've shot this Valor for a few times at the range, I have something to say;

This work of "Art" is capable of nothing but 10s. It's one of the most complete .45's that I've ever held and I've had experiences with quite a few. What a treat it is to shoot this weapon. Freakishly accurate, amazingly solid and what a natural point of aim and feel this gun has. For me, it is the ultimate carry .45 and nothing comes close.

Compare it with any other commander size 1911 in its class and I'm sure this'll win
hands down. Damn you, National traders, please stop already! :D Safe to say there's a piggy bank around my room now labelled "Valor" ;)

Ka_Khan
20-06-2011, 12:37 AM
Congratulations Abbas on the new Toy :)
Yet another beautiful review with spicy pictures.

Dr Zakir
20-06-2011, 12:39 AM
Congratulations Abbas . After a long time u r back with a great weapon and a nice review . To help members decide merits and demerits

Denovo87
20-06-2011, 12:40 AM
Waoo was waiting one of the two to come forward with review, thanks Abbas bro for taking the lead.
By the way all your 4 shooting observations are negative, do you think pt1911 exceeds Dan Wesson atleast in these 4 traits :rockon:
Secondly I noticed they used smaller guide rod where as pt1911 has fuller, did you feel any difference in recoil, muzzle flip than a pt1911? waisay I am sure this shorter guide rod is quite a pain in the neck while assembling the gun ;)
And you again forgot to tell the dollar side of the story.

Abbas
20-06-2011, 01:06 AM
@Huzaifa, Anthrax, Ka_Khan, Dr. Zakir and Denovo. Thank you very much.

@Denovo Lol. The assembly is a pain the back the first few times but now have mastered it in under 10 mins ;) The funny scene was at the range when me, Skeeter sahib, Starfish and Anthrax disassembled it to grease the slide and it took the four of us about 15 minutes to put it back together again. It's not so much the guide rod as it is the super tight bushing/fitting.

As far as the muzzle flip and the recoil, they are not that great if you compare it with an mobile rocket launcher.

The price is Rs. 230,000.

Btw you mentioned one of the two, who else got one ? Would appreciate their input as well.

AK47
20-06-2011, 01:39 AM
Congrats! Long awaited beauty to hit the boards here. Excellent acquisition, and I guess you've been smirking long way with it, lolz! My guess was 225K's, so pretty close. Though grips are outstanding, I'm sure, you'll find some better for the comfort, and I personally have exactly the same feeling of discomfort with Glock's hard chequering. Your accuracy will come with better gripping comfort, I'm sure, and further breaking in, but that darn trigger is almost felt all the way up here. Thanks for merits/demerits and objective review, now console us PT users a bit, Denovo bro is already asking, lolz! Regards.

Anthrax
20-06-2011, 01:42 AM
AK and Danny brothers, PT review; ETA: One week :p

Waiting for it to complete its 500 round count. 400 is the round count at the moment.

Denovo87
20-06-2011, 10:51 AM
AK and Danny brothers, PT review; ETA: One week :p

Waiting for it to complete its 500 round count. 400 is the round count at the moment.

Smoke the last 100 rounds this week and post it asap, Dan Wesson ITCH already started apearing so need heavy dose of PT1911 review for a complete cure ;)

12GAUGE
20-06-2011, 10:58 AM
AoA Abbas Bhai

Congratulations for your new handgun and a wonderful review as always. I have one if you allow me:

1. does the sight difference in grip (cut in the lower end of the frame) offer any benefits over the regular straight grip frame? I believe its called bobtail or something like that.

Regards.

jawin
20-06-2011, 10:59 AM
Beautiful piece mate! :peace: My Heartiest Congrats to you. And a very refined review as always.

Regards

Topak
20-06-2011, 11:19 AM
Congrats for new purchase, the monster looks very accurate.
good thing is that we have one more 1911 in country along with taurus and norinco's.

Syed Adeel
20-06-2011, 11:40 AM
Congratulations for another beautiful gun! The pictures are beautiful and really enticing!

Kamranwali
20-06-2011, 11:50 AM
Salam Every1,
First of all, congrats on the very very nice gun Abbas Bhai. This is one of the nicest Commanders I've ever seen.

@12Gauge Bro, I know you're a senior and have way more experience than me, but I hope you dont mind me answering your question... the cut is for the purpose that the gun's frame doesn't print on your shirt when carrying this gun concealed IWB.

Naveed_pk
20-06-2011, 01:41 PM
Congrats Abbas bhai for acquiring the new Toy :) The Review is simply awesome !
Also i would like to add regarding its availabilty : Only available at National arms ( Fakhre Alam ) Neela Gumbad lahore :)
Hope dealer have not read this review otherwise every one knows what will happen next !

GUNFREAK
20-06-2011, 02:58 PM
With a list price of $1977 in the U.S and Rs 225,000 here! What a deal!!

regards

Aquarius
20-06-2011, 09:13 PM
Very nice review as usual of a great gun Chief.. saw this beauty few days back with a dealer for 225K.. but I noticed one thing.. the slide didn't stop back after racking it with one magazine inserted, while it stops with the other magazine, means that the slide wouldn,t stop back after the last round being fired through it with one magazine, while it stops after the last round fired with the second magazine.. now is it a flaw or is it normal, because the dealer told me its normal.. Another guy sitting there told me he has a Colt 1911 Commander and the same thing happens to him as well & its normal.

Did you experience such thing in your Valor ?? If yes can you give us the reason for it.

Zeeshan Malik
20-06-2011, 09:43 PM
AOA CHEIF .........many congratulations sir ... as usual what a wounderfull waepon and what a informative review sir , the pictures you should take are also very nice .

Sir how do you compare and rate DAN WESSON front of COLT and KIMBER .

REGARDS.

coolbox18
20-06-2011, 11:00 PM
Abbas sb,
Congratulations on another classy purchase :)

lol on 'rug burn' comment :D

451F
21-06-2011, 01:42 AM
what a piece of metal wow...Great purchase and very nice review.Thanx to share with us.Congrats (y)

Abbas
21-06-2011, 07:22 PM
@Ak47, 12G, Jawin, Topak, Syed Adeel, Kamran Wali, Naveed, GunFreak, Aquarius, Zeeshan Malik, Coolbox and 451F Thank you very much. :)

@Ak47 The checkering does hurt a bit but then this is not a range gun and I am used to firing 2 pound triggers and .22 like recoil 9's. The PT1911 is a great gun and the best value for money under 100,000. I love mine and will hang on to it for quite a while. It's softer checking, longer barrel, guide rod make firing it more managable on the range. The commander however is easier to carry and even conceal which is next to impossible with a regular 1911.

@12G Kamanwali was right on, one less edge to get stuck when drawing from concealment, less obvious while concealed and of course adds to the commander's looks.

@Aquarius To tell you the truth I only tried it with one mag but had no issues with the slide not locking. I do however experience that with some of my 9's but that's always due to the ammo I am using. For example the Tula rounds will not lock the slide back 8 times out of 10 but Barnaul or S&B will always do.

@Zeeshan DW has various models and from the ones I've seen almost all have better build quality than Colt or Kimber. Only the Valor series however I think is comparable to the mid range models of Les Baer and very much on the same level as Para Ordinance.

I must also say that apart from the obvious improvements between the two, the difference between a high end Les Baer custom and the DW Valor will only be apparent after perhaps 15,000 or 20,000 rounds over a decade or two of use. Both will work and shoot great but the Les Baer should have more or less the same ultra tight fitting while the DW might shoot half an inch from the center at 15 M.

Glockcohlic
21-06-2011, 10:43 PM
Mashahaalh Abbas Bhai Zaber10.

Congrats.
A nice addition in to the .45 arsenal and a very detaild review with nice pix. Gald to know the entry of yet another CZ master Piece. :P

Regarding PT 1911, I must say it has much better trigger than my Match Grade Para P 14-45. :)

cyanide.dipped
22-06-2011, 11:53 AM
Nice to see DW finally arriving :) Hopefully other 'match-grade' custom brands would follow and we'll have a 1911 culture in PK too... ;)

Congrats Mr. Abbas on your excellent buy. I agree, there is no comparison between taurus and DW. The prices are worlds apart, and so are the qualities. DW is one of the few big names in 1911 production worldwide. Its creme de la creme man... nothing beats these beasts. Hopefully you'll start carrying this piece from now on ;)

Regards,
CD.

Abbas
22-06-2011, 01:40 PM
@GlockHolic Thanks bro, long time. Back in town ?

@Cyanide Thanks. :)

Usmanh
22-06-2011, 03:35 PM
Sorry to hijack your thread. I could not resist when I saw them. They are amazingly well built guns. and thanks to Starfish here is my full size DW 1911 Valor.
http://i868.photobucket.com/albums/ab242/uhayat/DSC_0593-Copy.jpg
All locked and loaded with the DeSantis Tuck inside for concealed carry. And honestly the grips being aggressive is an understatement.
The only thing I do not like is that the check mate mags that came with the gun do not flush fit. Looking for a mag well to cover the space now.

bbiillaall
22-06-2011, 03:43 PM
lovely piece Abbas bhai

ACHILLES
22-06-2011, 03:47 PM
Nice gun abbas bhai. Congratulation for getting new gun. As far as my opinion goes, beside its a new entry in the market its not worth the price for which they are selling it out. I got my series 80 colt lightweight commander for this price. Which is far better a weapon for each penny than DW.
But if somebody is real fan of DW there is no better weapon than this. I would recommend PT 1911 a better choice keeping in view the price and acceptable quality offered in that price.
ANYHOW CONGRATULATIONS TO EVERYONE WHO PURCHASED IT THIS NEW TOY.

Abbas
22-06-2011, 04:20 PM
Salams Achilles, great to hear from you again. Hope all is well.

I respectfully disagree. The Colt Commander is a fine gun but no where near the class of the DW Valor. I'm surprised you bought a series 80 for 230 k ?? Please correct me but I thought the Series 80 stopped production in the early 90's ? If that's the case then I assume your gun was also not brand new.

A brand new Colt Lightweight Commander costs under $ 800 while a DW Valor sells for around $ 1500. Also the ones that we have on the forum here are the ones with the Ceramic coating which costs 350-400 extra so these guns end up costing $ 1800-1900 retail !

I think you're probably comparing the entry level models of DW or even the Pointman series to the Colt which sell for around 800 and might be a fair comparison.

@Usman Great to see you on the forums ! Congratulations on the great buy. We should bruise our hands shooting these together sometime ;) Btw like the Desantis, I should check if my commander fits.

@Bilal Thanks, couldn't spell your nick right :P

bbiillaall
22-06-2011, 04:29 PM
@Bilal Thanks, couldn't spell your nick right :P

hahahaha, to be honest, sometimes me too ;)

Slayerjatt
22-06-2011, 04:49 PM
damn hot gun chief! excellent purchase MASHAALLAH. i can see myself trying a vast variety of 9mm and .45 weapons before my next shopping trip in november INSHAALLAH. :)

Glockcohlic
22-06-2011, 09:55 PM
@GlockHolic Thanks bro, long time. Back in town ?


Not yet bro but soon Inshahallah. Tried to call you couple of times few weeks back but your cell was off, thought you were abroad??


@Usmanh,
Congrats bro. Nice choice.

Moeen
23-06-2011, 12:24 AM
Salam All,
@Abbas - Congrates on the purchase. Thanks for the jokes to get me on the forum regarding DW being better than a Colt... LOLS. Don't sell the DW till the GTG as I will be bringing my Colt Commander (tailored to my needs) with me.

@Aquarius - I have had similar problems with the 1911 last round hold open feature... easily corrected when I removed the rubber slide buffer from the guide rod. As for DW can't say.

Overall this IS a great gun value for money from a company famous for making revolvers and then finding its way into financial problems which they seem to have corrected. The only thing I must say I find appealing on this setup is the finish. I, after having all the work done on my Colt could not get a good finish done as there is none available here in Pakistan. So I did the next best thing for a very very cheap price - I got it auto painted and the finish has thus far lasted me three years at a cost that I can get it refinished very other month if necessary. One can use NP3 or hard chrome or what ever - paint is the best metal protector. The question then arises as to whats the most durable paint thats where the difference lies.

@Abbas - Bhai, you are an expert of applying mirch... Lols. And again Congratulations on the DW.

Sami
23-06-2011, 01:38 AM
A.O.A, congrats on great hand gun and thanks for a very good and fair review.Now you are "Valor Chief Zee".
About aggressive checkering as you have mentioned its not a range gun but rather carry than its acceptable. Thanks for sharing A.H

Abbas
23-06-2011, 02:41 PM
@Slayer Thanks, InshAllah, lots of stuff for you to try out when you come back.

@Glockaholic Have to travel a bit these days due to work reasons but in town for a couple of weeks. If you can make it to ISB GTG coming up, would be great to see you.

@Stigma Lolz ;) Thank you.

@Moeen heh ;) Will wait for range day otherwise I was thinking of moving on to something else.

Trigger_happy78
23-06-2011, 04:43 PM
Congrats Abbas bro for the beauty you purchase. Lovely gun. Mashallah
HappyShooting

Trigger_happy78
23-06-2011, 04:44 PM
Congrats usmanh bro wonderful gun

Mitho
23-06-2011, 05:09 PM
@usmanh
sir where did get the de santis tuckable holster?

Mani
23-06-2011, 08:48 PM
Congratulations Abbas Bahi :)

Usmanh
24-06-2011, 11:59 AM
@Mitho: I bought it from the US the last time I as there. Have not seen any good quality holsters here.

siqbal41
24-06-2011, 03:14 PM
Congratulations Abbas Bhai and Usman Bro on nice purchase.

Glockcohlic
24-06-2011, 03:32 PM
@Glockaholic Have to travel a bit these days due to work reasons but in town for a couple of weeks. If you can make it to ISB GTG coming up, would be great to see you.


Would love to meet you guys in the ISB GTG, when you guys plan to have ISB GTG?

arfat110
25-06-2011, 06:31 PM
Congratulations chief nice toy

Skeeter60
25-06-2011, 06:47 PM
The Dan Wesson Valor is indeed a very fine gun. The finish is meticulous and the Ceramic coat finish makes it unscratchable. The Straight 8 Tritium sights and the Micarta grips make it such a well finished gun that it competes with any of the top end guns favourably.
The trigger is crisp and the fit of barrel to bushing and slide is as good as on any 4000 USD custom gun.
I happened to shoot Abbas's valor and and despite the old military surplus ammo of Vietnam era the gun functioned flawlessly and the accuracy was good.
If I were to carry a .45 it would be a DW Valor it is so neat and snug and not oversized.

Skeeter60
25-06-2011, 06:57 PM
The little rubber thing is the "Shok Buff" shock buffer to prevent the slide from getting battered too much. Some times it does cause problems as pointed out by Moeen Bhai and could be thrown away but in my Gold Cup (Alas) I sold it, the buff got beaten and shrunk to the proper size after about 50 or more rounds and then the slide would hold open after the last round.

Glock5
26-06-2011, 10:07 AM
congrats on the new piece abbas, 1911 is a icon n to find a good 1911 in lhr is just great....happy shooting n keep on frequently writing the great reviews!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Glock5
26-06-2011, 10:19 AM
whats National Traders contact info? do they have a good range of accessories as well?

Asif Jhammat
26-06-2011, 04:40 PM
brother abbas this is real beauty,
fakhr e alam told me that u purchased that pistol, since then i ws waitng for its review...
brother me and my friend omar place this baby more high than colt commander

GUNFREAK
26-06-2011, 05:33 PM
After Abbas Bhai review i checked with Fakhr e alam and there were only two black valor before and both sold. He has only ss left. I would've bought the weapon if black was available. BTW the following review of this fine weapon is by far the best reveiw or pics i've ever seen. Check it out.

http://forums.1911forum.com/showthread.php?t=270748

regards

krazy009
28-06-2011, 08:53 PM
what a beauty....

UMAR BUTT
29-06-2011, 04:25 AM
@ Abbas bhai Congratulations.. 1911 . 45 is the best hand gun........

Glock5
29-06-2011, 01:31 PM
Any ideas if any other dealer has them?

Naveed_pk
29-06-2011, 01:36 PM
@ Glock5 available at National traders ( fakhre alam ) but only in SS finish :)

Regards

Abbas
29-06-2011, 02:16 PM
@Trigger Happy, Mani, SIqbal, Arafat, Glock5, AsifJhammat, Krazy009, UmerButt Thank you. :)

Put some more rounds though the gun this past weekend and have to say it is exhibiting CZ like traits, a little uptight at first but once broken in (around 350 rounds) becomes smooth as silk. The trigger improved quite a bit and the finger biting almost went away. I adjusted my grip angle a bit and took off and refitted the VZ grips, this made the recoil much more manageable.

Also tested the slide locking back with both mags as asked by Aquarius and works perfect no issue with both Armscor and S&B.

On another note, Skeeter sahib was quite right to have me disassemble my gun at the range and lube with it grease instead of oil. It needs / requires a healthy dose of it.

Abbas
29-06-2011, 02:31 PM
Also I would like to add to this thread the differences between the models of the 1911's. This applies not only to DW but to all 1911.

Government Model: Full Frame with 5 Inch Barrel.

Commander Model: Mid Size frame with 4.25 / 4.3 Inch Barrel.

Officers Model: Short Frame with 3.5 Inch Barrel.

As for difference in velocity between the Government and the Commander, from what I've read it's about 50 fps less for the Commander on average. But InshAllah me and Skeeter sahib plan to test it out on our own soon.

Skeeter60
29-06-2011, 03:43 PM
Yes we will mike the velocities with a chronograph and post.
By the way the .45 ACP is very forgiving in barrel length vs velocities as the larger the bore the greater the bore efficiency. It loses about 50 ft sec and not more as pointed out by Abbas in case of the 230 gr bullets and a little more in case of lighter 200 or 180 gr bullets.

Glock5
29-06-2011, 03:51 PM
thanks ...i went there on monday but some how the ss version does not have that look plus NT has jacked up rates by rs 25 k, guess he must have read abbas's review ...

Glock5
26-07-2011, 04:15 PM
DW .45 is a highly accurate gun, worth the money.....45 is crazy power!!

Ameer
26-07-2011, 05:10 PM
What can i say about this gun of Abbas Bhai, it was the eye-catching piece at GTG Isd.

Conceal Carry
01-08-2011, 07:56 AM
Congratulation on new puchase, Abbas. Very nice piece.

Nazim Sahib
01-08-2011, 04:15 PM
Beautifull gun to carry around.

Faisji
01-08-2011, 08:30 PM
Fired my cousin's Valor on Sunday.Boy that grip bites but have to say it is very easy to use weapon.Firing 3 mags in quick sucession were almost "painful"

pheonix
02-08-2011, 05:28 AM
congrats abbas bhai a mighty fine purchase !

now that's a gun totally worth paying 230k for and sleep at night satisfied.a gun generations in line will be proud off !

i am overwhelmed by this beauty!and surely a itch has started

awanzone69
29-11-2011, 09:40 PM
awesome pistols , where did you get this stuff and what is the price of this handgun bro

malik160
30-11-2011, 12:34 AM
great pistol.

Yasir Altaf
09-12-2011, 11:09 PM
Abbas bhai i will just say ...
nice pistol yaar ...
this would be my next .45acp ... InshAllah ...

StevenCline
20-12-2011, 02:19 AM
That's a fine lookin' gun!

Birdshooter007
20-12-2011, 09:59 PM
Nice pistol chief.

Glock5
26-01-2012, 02:47 PM
link for review by NUTFANCY Of DW 1911...................states clearly that the weapon is completely made in USA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EOJjljxcDDw

HEllAngel
26-01-2012, 11:43 PM
What should i say about this gun :) i love .45 and in valor its lethal wow what a beauty abbas bhai i am going to buy this year since i heard the price its doubtful to buy same brand but i am 100% sure to buy Taurus 1911. :). Congrats abbas bhai

Username
25-04-2012, 01:48 AM
What's the price of this pistol and availability info?

ajmal virk
25-04-2012, 08:16 AM
Congrata Abbas Bhai really a cool hand gun.

wequar
14-02-2013, 06:08 AM
Congratulations on a beautiful piece

MoeenAhmad
09-08-2013, 07:03 AM
Nice pistol abbas Bhai. Congratulations…

Ameer
14-08-2014, 08:25 PM
According to Mazhar, We don't get Dan Wesson here anymore.

Aquarius
14-08-2014, 09:29 PM
According to Mazhar, We don't get Dan Wesson here anymore.

Yeah very true.

Fudgepacker
15-08-2014, 12:42 PM
As you guys probably know by now, I have an opinion on just about everything when it comes to guns... so why should Dan Wesson be an exception :lol:


First of all, no disrespect to current owners and fans, but I never liked DW 1911's. I understand if the market lacks alternatives, but if there was a choice, I would never have one. Aside from the few I've seen here on PG, I don't even know anyone who owns one, and if one just fell in my lap, I would honestly just sell it without even shooting it. Here's my issue: I see their jumping on the 1911 bandwagon merely as a desperate attempt to save the company from financial distress. They did not set out with the sole purpose of trying to make the best 1911, unlike a "real" top tier 1911 manufacturer. Revolvers had always been their specialty, it was their foundation, and their history; yet they totally lost focus and all but gave up on that part of the business. A horrible decision if you ask me, but that was just one of many bad decisions that led to the company going bankrupt; not once... but twice, and almost a third time! That is why CZUSA came along bought them out. With a record like that, it's hard enough just to have respect for the company, to have confidence in the products they build is beyond me. Anyways, IMHO there are a lot of better 1911's for the same or even less money, and instead of worrying about no more DW's, I think dealers in Pak should focus on getting brands like Springfield, Ruger, and Sig Sauer. If Glocks are making their way over, I don't see why that couldn't be possible.
The way I see it, just like in plane rides, there are 4 levels in the 1911 world. These are my favorites in each class:
Economy - Norinco
Business - Remington
First Class - Kimber
Private Jet - Nighthawk

As always, just my $0.02... what's yours?
:)

shahroze
15-08-2014, 01:22 PM
I am not well versed in the history and technicalities of the 1911 brands but i have always had a knack for Edbrown 1911, What do you say?

colt 1911
15-08-2014, 11:24 PM
As you guys probably know by now, I have an opinion on just about everything when it comes to guns... so why should Dan Wesson be an exception :lol:


First of all, no disrespect to current owners and fans, but I never liked DW 1911's. I understand if the market lacks alternatives, but if there was a choice, I would never have one. Aside from the few I've seen here on PG, I don't even know anyone who owns one, and if one just fell in my lap, I would honestly just sell it without even shooting it. Here's my issue: I see their jumping on the 1911 bandwagon merely as a desperate attempt to save the company from financial distress. They did not set out with the sole purpose of trying to make the best 1911, unlike a "real" top tier 1911 manufacturer. Revolvers had always been their specialty, it was their foundation, and their history; yet they totally lost focus and all but gave up on that part of the business. A horrible decision if you ask me, but that was just one of many bad decisions that led to the company going bankrupt; not once... but twice, and almost a third time! That is why CZUSA came along bought them out. With a record like that, it's hard enough just to have respect for the company, to have confidence in the products they build is beyond me. Anyways, IMHO there are a lot of better 1911's for the same or even less money, and instead of worrying about no more DW's, I think dealers in Pak should focus on getting brands like Springfield, Ruger, and Sig Sauer. If Glocks are making their way over, I don't see why that couldn't be possible.
The way I see it, just like in plane rides, there are 4 levels in the 1911 world. These are my favorites in each class:
Economy - Norinco
Business - Remington
First Class - Kimber
Private Jet - Nighthawk

As always, just my $0.02... what's yours?
:)

you have a problem with most of the guns :) kidding, no offense intended

now my question is why would you sell a gun without even testing it? :) i mean they may be going through financial problems but that doesnt mean that they manufacture sub standard guns

Just my Rs. 0.02 :)

Fudgepacker
16-08-2014, 01:16 AM
you have a problem with most of the guns :) kidding, no offense intended

now my question is why would you sell a gun without even testing it? :) i mean they may be going through financial problems but that doesnt mean that they manufacture sub standard guns

Just my Rs. 0.02 :)
I know, I know... I'm just not into the brand. I will admit though, I would love to get my hands on one their PPC revolvers.

Ahmad
16-08-2014, 09:14 AM
Hey FUDGE, to which class you will send USGI Colts, Cargo I Guess

Fudgepacker
16-08-2014, 10:45 AM
:lol:
Not into antiques, but I can appreciate those old things as a piece of history :)

Ahmad
16-08-2014, 11:47 AM
but mine still shoots batter than my Taurus.

Fraz
16-08-2014, 03:30 PM
As you guys probably know by now, I have an opinion on just about everything when it comes to guns... so why should Dan Wesson be an exception :lol:


First of all, no disrespect to current owners and fans, but I never liked DW 1911's. I understand if the market lacks alternatives, but if there was a choice, I would never have one. Aside from the few I've seen here on PG, I don't even know anyone who owns one, and if one just fell in my lap, I would honestly just sell it without even shooting it. Here's my issue: I see their jumping on the 1911 bandwagon merely as a desperate attempt to save the company from financial distress. They did not set out with the sole purpose of trying to make the best 1911, unlike a "real" top tier 1911 manufacturer. Revolvers had always been their specialty, it was their foundation, and their history; yet they totally lost focus and all but gave up on that part of the business. A horrible decision if you ask me, but that was just one of many bad decisions that led to the company going bankrupt; not once... but twice, and almost a third time! That is why CZUSA came along bought them out. With a record like that, it's hard enough just to have respect for the company, to have confidence in the products they build is beyond me. Anyways, IMHO there are a lot of better 1911's for the same or even less money, and instead of worrying about no more DW's, I think dealers in Pak should focus on getting brands like Springfield, Ruger, and Sig Sauer. If Glocks are making their way over, I don't see why that couldn't be possible.
The way I see it, just like in plane rides, there are 4 levels in the 1911 world. These are my favorites in each class:
Economy - Norinco
Business - Remington
First Class - Kimber
Private Jet - Nighthawk

As always, just my $0.02... what's yours?
:)

And where do you rate Colt and Taurus?

Ameer
16-08-2014, 04:12 PM
Well at least we didn't get them at overpriced rates like Glock. A 2000$ Dn Wesson is sold at 250K, isn't bad though.

Aquarius
16-08-2014, 08:54 PM
Now I am waiting for the DSA 1911.

zia raza
16-08-2014, 11:03 PM
Dont know y its not available in khi

Fudgepacker
17-08-2014, 10:03 AM
but mine still shoots batter than my Taurus.
I'm not surprised, I know a lot of people with those old 45's, they're loose, they rattle, but still shoot like a dream.

And where do you rate Colt and Taurus?
Colts would be a first class gun.
Whereas Id have to say Taurus are like a economy class ticket during high season :lol:
I know they're highly regarded in Pak, however I consider them economy because even though they are a little more expensive than Norinco's and are finished nicer, the Norc's are known for the quality of their frames and forged parts whereas Taurus uses MIM(metal injection molded) parts. Also, see the comment above :)

Fraz
17-08-2014, 12:34 PM
I'm not surprised, I know a lot of people with those old 45's, they're loose, they rattle, but still shoot like a dream.

Colts would be a first class.
Taurus are like a economy during high season :lol:
I know they're highly regarded in Pak, however I consider them economy because even though they are a little more expensive than Norinco's and are finished nicer, the Norc's are known for the quality of their frames and forged parts whereas Taurus uses MIM(metal injection molded) parts. Also, see the comment above :)

Actually we don't have too many 1911 options in a reasonable price range. that's a main reason for them being popular. Even the Norc 1911A1 is no where to be seen here. We only have the NP44, that too is not very commonly available.

Usmanh
18-08-2014, 04:59 PM
Fudge bro - You are missing out. Seriously try one you will be surprised. I promise you that much.

I have personally shot both the DW and the Kimber many times. At times I can swear the Kimber is not even in the same league. Even our very own Glockaholic had the same opinion.

- Usman

Moeen
18-08-2014, 05:08 PM
Salam All,
@Fudgepacker - a very well thought out sentiment also shared by me. DW 1911 is a great gun for whats available in the market here. I wish there were other options out here too... but there aren't any hence DW for us is a great piece.

Fudgepacker
19-08-2014, 12:39 AM
Moeen bro, I've been waiting to hear for you! Have you seen this post... http://www.pakguns.com/showthread.php?4532-The-TT-(Tees-Bore)-Thread-(Ask-all-your-30-Questions-here)/page24 ...(#480). Ever thought about that? I was thinking if anyone can make that a reality, it would be you :D

Aquarius
19-08-2014, 11:20 AM
Oh sure why not !!!!! Moeen Bhai can do it.. its piece of cake for him.

Moeen
21-08-2014, 12:30 AM
Salam All,
@Fudgepacker - great minds do think alike. I have spoken to someone. Unfortunately with current events I have to wait to finalize the deal for three pieces I have already designed on paper...
Imagine: full length dust cover, no front slide bevel, warren tactical style sights, commander hammer, extended mag rel., button, checkered front and rear strap, a magwell with magazine base pads, guide rod, walnut grips, front and rear slide serrations, threaded 1/2x28 barrel with comp (one piece will be muzzle weighted), and finally a humble beavertail...

@Aquarius - thank you for the confidence and the nice compliment bro.

Fudgepacker
21-08-2014, 12:43 AM
Now that sounds cool!! Please keep me posted, I'd be very interested in seeing your finished product.