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safeershah
31-12-2010, 07:56 PM
what are the options for single stack gun in .45 in the market, is it available in nornico brand if yes then what is the price range

Dr Zakir
31-12-2010, 11:06 PM
Taurus , colt 1911 are easily available norinco is also available no idea about price

Topak
31-12-2010, 11:10 PM
Sir norinco has .45 in 1911 model but its double stakes, price range is 45-50 K.
in single stake you may find a taurus 1911,my guess about price is 80-90 K.
other options also include CZ TT 45 its double stake and one more model of CZ.... its also double stakes.

Apalo
31-12-2010, 11:30 PM
brothers one of my friend(an army official) from Wana call me today and he asked me a 1911 from a Turkish company in 9mm, as he come to know that Pak army is issuing this pistol to the officers in field like Wana or other tribal areas as secondary weapon. any idea about this 1911?

Topak
01-01-2011, 01:05 AM
apalo its after long time where you'v been ?
regarding 1911 in turkish, Tisas corp make couple of them both in 45 and 9mm,but dont know availability in market.

ACHILLES
01-01-2011, 06:45 PM
Rumors of Dan Wesson in 1911 shape both in 9mil and .45 hitting the market were echoed. But i failed to find the foot prints of those rumors. If any info with anyone, would appreciate of forwarding it to me.

Dr Zakir
01-01-2011, 10:37 PM
They were to come to fakhre Alam but never came uptil now

Apalo
01-01-2011, 11:10 PM
apalo its after long time where you'v been ?
regarding 1911 in turkish, Tisas corp make couple of them both in 45 and 9mm,but dont know availability in market.

I am here in your hear bro, just out of a computer, now i have one so will be with you inshallah.
do let me know if you have any more info

safeershah
02-01-2011, 12:16 AM
can anyone give me an idea regarding the price of nornico model in Karachi ?

Mitho
02-01-2011, 09:59 AM
55k to 65k.
only found one piece with a dealer.

Dr Zakir
02-01-2011, 12:35 PM
In .45 and in 100 k range I will recommend 3 weapons
1. PT 145 2. CZ 97 3. Taurus 1911.

AK47
02-01-2011, 01:50 PM
In .45 and in 100 k range I will recommend 3 weapons
1. PT 145 2. CZ 97 3. Taurus 1911.

+1 Dr. Sb! Is the order of preference the same also? The CZ 97 is kind of cumbersome, un-handleable, over sized, but a life-time hathora for sure. Regards.

safeershah
02-01-2011, 06:11 PM
@Ak47,

I like CZ97 and its fits in my hand like a glove as my height is 6.2 :) but I wan something in traditional 1911 look so I checked nornico NP44 and taurus and confused what should i pick as cost is no issue

colt 1911
02-01-2011, 06:22 PM
@ safeershah...go for taurus 1911 since all the senior members here have approved it

AK47
02-01-2011, 08:04 PM
@Ak47,

I like CZ97 and its fits in my hand like a glove as my height is 6.2 :) but I wan something in traditional 1911 look so I checked nornico NP44 and taurus and confused what should i pick as cost is no issue

@Safeershah........Bro, if cost is no issue, and the difference already is insignificant( 55 vs 80K), the 1911 by Taurus should be an easy, natural first choice. Regards.

safeershah
02-01-2011, 08:33 PM
AK

in term of accuracy which one is better Taurus or CZ ?

AK47
03-01-2011, 12:21 AM
@safeershah..........Bro, I have no personal experience with both. We do have reviews on the PT 1911, one by Chief himself. Perhaps check it out. We still, however, have no specific review here on the CZ 97, else than some great shooting by ACHILLES bro, but not on traditional range shooting lines. We'll have to wait.

Generally, the PT 1911 is considered one very accurate handgun. The CZ 97 I am sure will be very accurate too, basically due to the slide-in -frame CZ hallmark design, also due to it's relatively larger size, more weight.

I am still a traditional 1911 lover in cal .45. Regards.

Topak
03-01-2011, 01:15 PM
@Ak47,

I like CZ97 and its fits in my hand like a glove as my height is 6.2 :) but I wan something in traditional 1911 look so I checked nornico NP44 and taurus and confused what should i pick as cost is no issue
Sir if you google for taurus 1911 you will find very good reviews about this gun.if you are stuck between norinco and taurus go for taurus 1911

safeershah
03-01-2011, 02:47 PM
CZ 97 Review
http://averagejoeshandgunreviews.blogspot.com/2008/05/big-boy_31.html

Aquarius
04-01-2011, 03:57 PM
AK

in term of accuracy which one is better Taurus or CZ ?

@safeershah.. brother very nice link indeed.

Both are equally good accuracywise.. the only drawback of CZ97B is its huge grips as compare to PT1911, but I don't think for medium to large hands, that should be a problem.. Atleast I didn't face any problem while holding & firing it & I am a medium hand guy.

I have tried both these handguns from 30M and both were equally accurate.. tried S&B FMJ, Prvi Partizan JHP, Winchester FMJ(very old stalk) and Armscor FMJ with no problem of anykind.. Armscor Ammo by itself is a little inaccurate as compare to the other Ammo mentioned above.. the most accurate was S&B FMJ followed by Prvi Partizan JHP.. as far as Winchester Ammo was concerned, infact its almost 30 years old stalk but still more accurate than Armscor.. may be I wish if the new stalk arrives, it will certainly outperfom the others.. actually in accuracy department it depends on the handgun primarily but it also depends on which Ammo you use.. does't lay my hands on Magtech despite a thorough market search.. I have heard good things about this Ammo as well.

In .45ACP we don't have many choices of Ammo as compare to 9mm.. I wish with the arrival of .45 pistols, different variety of .45 Ammo should hit the market.

safeershah
04-01-2011, 08:25 PM
Aquarius

at last a man with the experience of both guns :) I have 2 questions , first one is which one is better regardless of size or price, and second one is that do you recommend if a used colt or ITHACA .45 should buy if yes then what will be the price of a used gun in good condition

ACHILLES
04-01-2011, 08:45 PM
A used but in good condition gun from colt or else would cost you 70k to 90k. But finding one is an uphill task. Would recommand CZ 97 b, if you are going to have a gun for EDC (every day carry) than i will suggest Taurus 1911 without rail one between CZ & TAURUS.

safeershah
04-01-2011, 10:50 PM
Achillis
what do you mean by EDC , I mean do you want to say Conceal and carry and just keeping it in car? and hollow points are available .45 ?

ACHILLES
05-01-2011, 10:24 AM
A used but in good condition gun from colt or else would cost you 70k to 90k. But finding one is an uphill task. Would recommand CZ 97 b, if you are going to have a gun for EDC (every day carry) than i will suggest Taurus 1911 without rail one between CZ & TAURUS.

Hollow points for .45 are hard to find. Prvi hollow point are available but they too are not abundent.

ACHILLES
05-01-2011, 10:26 AM
This is my EDC single stack .45 .
@AK47....... POSTED RECENT PICS AS UNDER

SPAYPANTHER
05-01-2011, 10:50 AM
a very nice gun achilles bro

AK47
05-01-2011, 11:08 AM
@ACHILLES........Exquisite commander bro! Lovely. Any idea of a hidden piece somewhere?

ACHILLES
05-01-2011, 12:29 PM
@ACHILLES........Exquisite commander bro! Lovely. Any idea of a hidden piece somewhere?
Humm let me check. I was selling mine but changed my idea. If i got any info regarding one for sell than will let you know. I have seen only two lightweight commanders, and two standard comanders till now in the market (affordable i mean). I like lightweight commanders more. These are a couple of years old pictures. I have switched back to the origional grips which were Pachmayr signature series. Pachmayr Signature Grips feature full wrap-around design and are made from rubber specially formulated for use on semi-automatic pistols. This rubber compound gives them a feel that is typical of Pachmayr. Built-in steel inserts are there to ensure they maintain their shape.
Holster for the gun is Galco fully lined with silicone suede FED Paddle one. This holster offers a lightweight open-welt design that is tension screw adjustable. Stitched sight rails, a reinforced thumb break retention strap, and combat grip accessibility.

AK47
05-01-2011, 01:22 PM
@ACHILLES......You speak all my mind bro, Galco, Pachmeyr, etc, lols!

Booked a few items from the USA, just in case I finally got a chance to own a 1911 style, though those were full sized grips and "Pearce inlays" (Grooved rubber grips, to be laid inside, not disturbing the exteriors of wood grips).

Would love to see your full set up, as described above, how about posting some fresh pics for our pleasure?

Finally, is your gun still in the same condition as above, and how are those ones conditioned, that you came across in the market, a price idea, even if "hawaii shot" only, would be appreciated.?

Regards.

ACHILLES
05-01-2011, 01:44 PM
@AK47
Bro they were really not on display on any shop but rather with some offhand sellers i came across through out my gunsports life till now. Those lightweight commanders were in good condition. The one having 100% condition than, is riding in my holster now. As i have used that gun for many years so not the same condition. I use guns but take care of them as well, but wear & tear from daily use are there.

The grips you are reffering to are known as American Legend Grips if i am not mistaken, are nice looking ones. But i rather like the feel of those signature series rubber.

ACHILLES
05-01-2011, 05:47 PM
@AK47 bro i tried to fullfill your request with some pics. (my camera broke the other day in a hunting trip)

ACHILLES
05-01-2011, 06:26 PM
@AK 47
Working horses have got scars. All my guns are work horses:)

AK47
06-01-2011, 01:29 AM
@ACHILLES.............Thank you very much bro, for obliging! Appreciated.

Now, this is not just a "working horse" bro, it's damn "Mustang"! Wonderful share. A keeper, no doubts. Nice holster and grips also.

Btw, noting that the trigger seems very short, I guess it's just a slight pull and "Bang"! Excellent. Regards.

ACHILLES
06-01-2011, 09:48 AM
@AK 47
Trigger pull of this gun is very sweet. Beside trigger pull, gun is inherently accurate too.

Aquarius
06-01-2011, 05:41 PM
Great gun ACHILLES brother.

Kamranwali
06-01-2011, 05:54 PM
Achilles bro......truly amazing. :)
It's the only 45 that I've EVER wanted...but if given a choice(which I seriously doubt) I'd get the stainless lightweight commander.

I truly feel happy for you.

Best wishes.

ACHILLES
06-01-2011, 08:41 PM
@AK47
@AQUARIUS
@KAMRANWALI
Thanks for appreciating the gun.

Dr Zakir
07-01-2011, 12:16 AM
cz 97 and taurus 1911 although both .45 are actually quite different guns. 1911 taurus is basically the famous design which is most popular in states where it is being manufactured by lots of companies. so u cannot actually compare them as such .

safeershah
07-01-2011, 12:53 PM
Dr Zakir Bro,

so whats your prefrence taurus or CZ ?

hskhan2k2
08-01-2011, 01:51 AM
norinco 1911 is around 45000 rs in karachi.

safeershah
08-01-2011, 12:35 PM
hskhan2k2

could you please tell the dealer name who have it in karachi and this price is latest ?

Aquarius
08-01-2011, 11:40 PM
Dr Zakir Bro,

so whats your prefrence taurus or CZ ?

safeershah brother as mentioned by Dr Zakir Sahib 1911 is a classical shape handgun manufactured by many companies.. CZ 97B on the other hand is a solid beast by itself, so if you are after the classics then go for the PT1911, otherwise if you want a double stake quality product in .45ACP and below 100K then go for the CZ 97B.

But my advise will be to go and check for yourself, feel in your hands whichever feel better in your hands.. Both guns are quality products & you wont regret your purchase.

ACHILLES
09-01-2011, 08:38 AM
@Aquarius
can u guide us about the taurus 1911 & cz 97 b latest prices?

Aquarius
09-01-2011, 08:13 PM
@Aquarius
can u guide us about the taurus 1911 & cz 97 b latest prices?

ACHILLES brother I think you should be knowing the prices better than me.. anyhow first let me inquire about the availability of these two guns in Peshawar, because I think they were short in Peshawar market few weeks back.. don't know about other Cities.

BTW both should be below 100K and with the arrival of this new stalk by Taurus prices will certainly be reasonable.

safeershah
10-01-2011, 09:50 PM
can anyone tell me which dealer have taurus P1911 as i searched several shops but they dont have it at the moment. or can a dealer from lahore can send it to me ?

safeershah
27-01-2011, 12:34 PM
got one Ithaca .45 modified , compensator , wooden grips, around 14 high capacity magzines of wilson combat USA, square hammer, pics are not good as taken from mobile , will post some high res pics soon. hope you like

http://s1238.photobucket.com/albums/ff490/safeershah78/?action=view&current=IMAG0001.jpg

http://s1238.photobucket.com/albums/ff490/safeershah78/?action=view&current=IMAG0002.jpg

safeershah
27-01-2011, 12:35 PM
got one Ithaca .45 modified , compensator , wooden grips, around 10 high capacity magzines of wilson combat USA, square hammer, pics are not good as taken from mobile , will post some high res pics soon. hope you like

s.cheema
27-01-2011, 01:42 PM
congrats, gorgeous gun

Aquarius
27-01-2011, 02:20 PM
Congrat safeershah brother on your great purchase.. no doubt its one hell of a handgun.
BTW pictures are not very clear.. try to post some good quality pictures as this handgun really deserves.

Aquarius
27-01-2011, 02:27 PM
@safeershah.. And what do you mean by high capacity magazines because in one post you mentioned 14 and in another post you mentioned 10.. is this the magazine capacity or number of magazines which you bought with the gun.

safeershah
27-01-2011, 05:41 PM
well i got 14 magazine with it from 8 bullet capacity to 10 and above, till now i checked 12 bullet magazine, i think max capcity is 16 bullet magazine, also got 1 extra compenstaor , grips , match grade triggers, several hammer , laser etc.

Aquarius
27-01-2011, 06:43 PM
well i got 14 magazine with it from 8 bullet capacity to 10 and above, till now i checked 12 bullet magazine, i think max capcity is 16 bullet magazine, also got 1 extra compenstaor , grips , match grade triggers, several hammer , laser etc.

But if its a single stack magazine then 10 rounds capacity would be enough.. more then that would certainly looks uglier as the grips size will become abnormally huge.

AK47
27-01-2011, 06:43 PM
well i got 14 magazine with it from 8 bullet capacity to 10 and above, till now i checked 12 bullet magazine, i think max capcity is 16 bullet magazine, also got 1 extra compenstaor , grips , match grade triggers, several hammer , laser etc.

@Safeeshah.......Shah Sahib, mere piyare peero bazurgo, how many bullets can you put into 1 magazine? And how many of these magazines do you have, plz?

Congrats, a beautiful item indeed, plz some better pics.

Regards.

Mitho
27-01-2011, 07:28 PM
safeershah
sir how much did u pay for it

safeershah
27-01-2011, 07:53 PM
Ak47 ,

Boss :) well its with 14 magazine , and some magzine are standard capicity i.e. 8 bullet capacity to 16 bullets capacity magazines ,

Magazine Quantity = 14
Capacity per magzine = 8 bullets to 16 ( some are standard capacity magazines and some high capacity )
Make = wilson combat
:)

safeershah
27-01-2011, 07:58 PM
Aquarius , why grip size will become huge, these are single stack magazines so the length vary not the thickness

AK47
27-01-2011, 09:38 PM
@Safeershah.......Bro, what I conclude from above is that you have 14 number of magazines, hence 12 extra, lolzzzzz! Great.

And what I conclude, they're all single stack and can accommodate between 8-14 rounds rounds, some of them 16 rounds, by the help of 2 rounds extensions, right?? And they vary lengthwise, hence some are very long. OK. Great.

Now the dollar side story plz, if you don't mind.

Regards.

Aquarius
27-01-2011, 09:54 PM
Aquarius , why grip size will become huge, these are single stack magazines so the length vary not the thickness

Thats what I was refering to.. a single stack magazine with 14 to 16 rounds capacity will certainly be abnormally long (even longer than the length of the gun).
BTW no offense brother.. enjoy & happy shooting.

SPAYPANTHER
27-01-2011, 10:28 PM
now that gun has got attraction of many members SO! PHOTU TO HONE CHAHEYA

safeershah
27-01-2011, 11:07 PM
AK47

No dollar story , I mean i didnt paid any cash as I got it from a friend due to some old settlement :) trying to get a highly modified norinco np44 as well with 4-5 original sig magzines :)
I used to be a 9MM guy but now .45 fever is on :)
spaypanther, sir pic bhi aye gi dont worry :)

safeershah
28-01-2011, 12:05 AM
guys you need to check that out to drool :)

http://www.coltsmfg.com/Portals/0/panels/1911%20ANV%20I%20Description.pdf
http://www.coltsmfg.com/Portals/0/panels/Colt-100.pdf

Apalo
28-01-2011, 09:01 PM
guys you need to check that out to drool :)

http://www.coltsmfg.com/Portals/0/panels/1911%20ANV%20I%20Description.pdf
http://www.coltsmfg.com/Portals/0/panels/Colt-100.pdf
out class.

Aquarius
28-01-2011, 10:32 PM
safeershah.. post pictures of guns along with those magazines.

safeershah
28-01-2011, 11:03 PM
Ok SIR ....

Mitho
29-01-2011, 12:54 PM
@safeershah
any updates on the norinco np44?

safeershah
29-01-2011, 07:09 PM
guys i didnt upload these pics as i was busy , but will do a good photo session soon, just for teaser now :)

http://s1238.photobucket.com/albums/ff490/safeershah78/?action=view&current=Image459.jpg
http://s1238.photobucket.com/albums/ff490/safeershah78/?action=view&current=Image458.jpg

http://s1238.photobucket.com/albums/ff490/safeershah78/?action=view&current=Image458.jpg#!oZZ4QQcurrentZZhttp%3A%2F%2F s1238.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fff490%2Fsafeersha h78%2F%3Faction%3Dview%26current%3DImage461.jpg

http://s1238.photobucket.com/albums/ff490/safeershah78/?action=view&current=Image458.jpg#!oZZ5QQcurrentZZhttp%3A%2F%2F s1238.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fff490%2Fsafeersha h78%2F%3Faction%3Dview%26current%3DImage460.jpg

safeershah
29-01-2011, 07:13 PM
http://s1238.photobucket.com/albums/ff490/safeershah78/?action=view&current=Image458.jpg#!oZZ6QQcurrentZZhttp%3A%2F%2F s1238.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fff490%2Fsafeersha h78%2F%3Faction%3Dview%26current%3DIMAG0001.jpg

Mitho
29-01-2011, 07:39 PM
Man one hot 1911

Aquarius
29-01-2011, 08:41 PM
Thats one beautiful gun you have.. thanks for sharing safeer brother.

safeershah
29-01-2011, 09:03 PM
thanks Aquarius, now I am thinking if I got norinco i will try to install some rotrating barrel in it , so the recoil will be very less, dont know how to do it but it will be a good project

safeershah
29-01-2011, 09:16 PM
waiting for AK47 comments :)

AK47
29-01-2011, 11:00 PM
waiting for AK47 comments :)

My only comments:

"How and from where the heck did you manage this monster?"

That too with Pachmeyrs! Great.

http://i1238.photobucket.com/albums/ff490/safeershah78/Image459.jpg

Congrats again Shah Sahib, one very attractive piece, indeed!

Btw, did you ever share the cost??

Regards.

safeershah
29-01-2011, 11:33 PM
AK47 ,

well as I said i got it becoz of some old settlement but you can say its cost me around 135K with all the goodies :) I mean the guy had to pay something like that to me
the black button above the trigger is for laser :) laser is builtin in compensator i guess, hammer square, sights are changed,

AK47
29-01-2011, 11:56 PM
AK47 ,

well as I said i got it becoz of some old settlement but you can say its cost me around 135K with all the goodies :) I mean the guy had to pay something like that to me
the black button above the trigger is for laser :) laser is builtin in compensator i guess

@Safeershah.........Bro, thanks. About the laser, no it's not built in within the compensator. You'll find it as a Lasermax guide-rod laser when you field strip your gun. Your original guide-rod is most likely replaced with the lasermax plastic guide-rod.

Btw, did you get the original steel guide rod also? Hope so.

Regards.

safeershah
30-01-2011, 12:08 AM
AK47,

I need to check that in the goodie bags ,

safeershah
30-01-2011, 12:12 AM
AK47 ,

any idea how much a sig 1911 will cost

AK47
30-01-2011, 12:16 AM
@Safeershah.........Bro, I doubt it's easy availability here. Yet, you could expect some 300K, I feel.

Regards.

safeershah
30-01-2011, 12:19 AM
ok then how much sig X6 will cost, i really like that gun

AK47
30-01-2011, 12:26 AM
ok then how much sig X6 will cost, i really like that gun

Bro, there's literally no Sig gun these days below 300K's. Some members purchased Sig polymer handguns for some 225-250K's some time back, yet prices have gone up since then.

The X6 may be around 300K, but no concise idea.

Regards.

safeershah
30-01-2011, 12:28 AM
i know sig guns will cost above 350 these days and I think i have to order via some dealer for X6 as its not a stock item

AK47
30-01-2011, 12:30 AM
Edited. Posted in relevant thread.

safeershah
30-01-2011, 12:42 AM
AK47 , which is the relevent thread :)

AK47
30-01-2011, 01:32 AM
@Safeershah........Ignore plz. I just posted in a wrong window.

Regards.