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AK47
17-06-2010, 03:07 AM
And I feel this beauty deserved a complete thread for itself with pics and specs. Awaited soon and expected to be in the range of 120-170K, it's a one-time cal .45 solution to the enthusiast who's on the look-out for a powerful, high cap CCW with all high-end features. It's a polymer handgun, yet of highest class stuff that the Springfield Armory is well renowned for.

Barrel according to the site is 4.5", but I've heard of a compact model also with a 3.8" barrel. Some of the features are a GRIP SAFETY a'la the Govt. model 1911, you can't fire without this one pressed.

The firing mechanism has a decocker option, the mag release button is ambidextrous, the chamber is fully supported and hence can stand heavy loads like +p/+p+ rounds.

Course there's a Picatinny rail for accessories, and the gun even in the subcompact model is a full 13+1 rounds! :o

If just the timing of this beauty'a arrival could be chronologically timed with the re- functioning of the MOI, and price kept around 150K or so, boyz it's gonna be one new and permanent "closet occupant" for quite a number of our esteemed members! Enjoy. :)


http://s4.postimage.org/F0c5i.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=aVF0c5i)


http://s4.postimage.org/F0m3S.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=aVF0m3S)


http://s4.postimage.org/F0r39.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=aVF0r39)


http://s1.postimage.org/vhv70.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gxvhv70)


http://s4.postimage.org/F0Iw9.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=aVF0Iw9)


http://s3.postimage.org/TgUIr.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=PqTgUIr)


Plz note, the box includes a Fobus type holster and mag holders also, along with a cable lock! :o :P :P :P

Faheem
17-06-2010, 07:13 AM
AK47 sir my heart is also bulging to buy it :) this is really marvelous....

Aquarius
17-06-2010, 10:52 AM
Great input AK brother.. I am also waiting anxiously for this baby to hit the market soon, which (according to my limited information) is expected Inshallah in near future.. would love to have one in .45ACP calliber.... :)

AK47
17-06-2010, 11:06 AM
Great input AK brother.. I am also waiting anxiously for this baby to hit the market soon, which (according to my limited information) is expected Inshallah in near future.. would love to have one in .45ACP calliber.... :)

Plz Dr. sahib, make sure for heavens sake your info above extends to "UNLIMITED" status! :lol: ;) :P

@Faheem.............Thanks bro, many hearts on "Tachycardia" these days! ;)

Slayerjatt
17-06-2010, 11:28 AM
looks beautiful indeed and the high capacity in the most all rounder lethal caliber justifies the price.

mhrehman
17-06-2010, 02:28 PM
AK 47 bro, I had an opportunity to fire this handgun once, fired 75 rounds out of it, it was amazing how accurate the gun was, especially compared to Glock, and it handled pretty well to. I read a previous thread on PG about this Gun, and am waiting anxiously for its arrival, but I am a bit confused though, will the standards be the same as one going to the states, and secondly, will it have Springfield marking on it, also any idea when its arriving here.

Aamar
17-06-2010, 02:36 PM
Nice :D

Oasis
17-06-2010, 02:56 PM
AOA ...

Excellent sharing AK bro .....

Thx.

AK47
17-06-2010, 04:25 PM
AK 47 bro, I had an opportunity to fire this handgun once, fired 75 rounds out of it, it was amazing how accurate the gun was, especially compared to Glock, and it handled pretty well to. I read a previous thread on PG about this Gun, and am waiting anxiously for its arrival, but I am a bit confused though, will the standards be the same as one going to the states, and secondly, will it have Springfield marking on it, also any idea when its arriving here.

@mhrehman..........Bro, great to know someone has practically used this handgun, that too full 75 shots! :)

Well, I'm pretty sure that standards will be the SAME! My best logical feeling says it will.

As regards the "markings", stamps, etc, I cannot say if there'll be a SA stamp on it, there should be, but I can say ONE thing for sure, that the pics above are from the U.S.A Springfield Armory site and that the gun they're displaying in the U.S has clearly marked "MADE IN CROATIA" stamp on it! :)

Finally, let me, on a casual note, say that the absence/presence of Springfield markings will for sure determine the market price of this gun.

In the absence of these markings it's just a plain CROATIAN gun in the 50-70K range! The markings only can bring it to the level of +100K. Let's see. :)

Starfish
17-06-2010, 05:00 PM
ak47: I wish it comes without the markings then :D id love a SA 45 in 50k. hehehe

Gilani
17-06-2010, 05:18 PM
AK sahib nice share. Lets hope it comes without SA marking so that we can get it cheap. Markings hardly matter :)

Aquarius
17-06-2010, 06:42 PM
will it have Springfield marking on it

As far as I remember the dealer had no idea of Springfield XD markings on it.. as according to him instead HS2000 will be written on it, which is basically the same pistols..

Here are some pics from the net..

http://s4.postimage.org/Gr4dA.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=aVGr4dA)

http://s4.postimage.org/Gr9cS.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=aVGr9cS)

KageFox
17-06-2010, 07:15 PM
If HS2000 is written... then it would be considered a Croatian gun rather than an American... and that would deliver us the product in a reasonable price. I guess no one would mind the gun without Springfield Armory markings... but then, the accessories highlighted above by AK47 might not be available with the gun...

Dr Zakir
17-06-2010, 11:04 PM
aquarius bahi should inform as soon as it hits mazhar bahi shop

AK47
17-06-2010, 11:45 PM
will it have Springfield marking on it

As far as I remember the dealer had no idea of Springfield XD markings on it.. as according to him instead HS2000 will be written on it, which is basically the same pistols..

Here are some pics from the net..

http://s4.postimage.org/Gr4dA.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=aVGr4dA)

http://s4.postimage.org/Gr9cS.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=aVGr9cS)

@Aquarius bro.............This is now quite a different story I'd say, perhaps a bit disappointing as well. :(

Of what I've learnt the trademark "HS2000" no longer exists, the original marketing firm is no longer in biz, that Springfield Armory has taken it all over and issues a Springfield warranty on these products, that HS 2000 has been renamed to "XD" by Springfield, which literally stands for "Extreme Duty".

Finally, if these guns to come have a Springfield marking or XD label, that would justify a high price, whereas, if the guns are simple HS 2000's, irrelevant of the fact that they are same quality guns, prices should be in max 80K range, very confirming of a post-info by AAH bro since long! :)

Above pics of the HS 2000 are however not VERY appealing, and what I really do wonder about is, if Springfield has renamed the HS 2000's to "XD's", from where the heck "HS 2000" comes in now, is this a "left over" stock from old productions? :rolleyes:

In any case, all is mere speculation, till something real is materialized before us, let's see. :)

mhrehman
18-06-2010, 12:12 AM
+1 AK 47 bro, actually the marking do not matter that much, but as you said the HS is not that appealing, Taurus USA has marking on it in the Sates, but the Taurus we get do not, does'nt make that much of a difference, but as far as I know Springfield only has the license to sell and market these, an example is the XD(xtreme duty). SO pretty sure that if we get them we'll have em under SA XD. In fact this debate or presumptions will go on until the weapon actually hits the markets, so we'll have to wait, any idea when they are arriving???

AK47
18-06-2010, 12:16 AM
+1 AK 47 bro, actually the marking do not matter that much, but as you said the HS is not that appealing, Taurus USA has marking on it in the Sates, but the Taurus we get do not, does'nt make that much of a difference, but as far as I know Springfield only has the license to sell and market these, an example is the XD(xtreme duty). SO pretty sure that if we get them we'll have em under SA XD. In fact this debate or presumptions will go on until the weapon actually hits the markets, so we'll have to wait, any idea when they are arriving???

Thanks Sir, mhrehman bro, well it's indeed quite a mess of guess-work so far, but of what I've come to know, they should be in Peshawer in about a month or so, cannot say of other regions. :)

Denovo87
18-06-2010, 12:24 AM
Ak bro you sound quite worried over the XD/HS issue, below link is just to relieve your nerves a bit,

http://www.hs-arms.com/e-faq.php

and by the way your Karishma's gear received today, a meet is must now ;)

GUNFREAK
18-06-2010, 12:44 AM
@Denovo87 thanks for the link it was helpful. I hope that this pistol is priced right which i am afraid will not be in the begining. But it looks similiar to Glock.

regards

AK47
18-06-2010, 02:16 AM
Ak bro you sound quite worried over the XD/HS issue, below link is just to relieve your nerves a bit,

http://www.hs-arms.com/e-faq.php

and by the way your Karishma's gear received today, a meet is must now ;)

Thanks Denovo bro, that was quite a "tranquilizer", much appreciated, you took the bull by the horns bro, digging out the very basics of HS arms. :)

Now, though I feel better now, I guess your anticipation will be needing a "tranquilizer" soon! ;)

Anyhow, great news of the Karishma "gear" above, much anticipated, for sure a meet is welcome, anywhere, anytime. :) Shall call you tomorrow, Inshallah, a bit too late now.

Thanks for this great favor, I really needed it these days, having almost abandoned the "Karishma". :)

Jillanik
18-06-2010, 02:32 PM
Very impressive handgun.

AK47
18-06-2010, 10:54 PM
And another "teaser":

The HS 2000, No SA stampings:
http://s2.postimage.org/r5zu0.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=Tsr5zu0)

My major concern about this handgun, as it has appeared this morning, it is a single action only model, no second strike option, and NO de-cocker even! :( :( :(

Kindly comment.

Faisji
18-06-2010, 11:23 PM
Kindly comment.


The gun has 4 safeties including a grip safety so de-cocker is redundant in this case.Much like a decocked weapon the trigger will need to be pressed in proper grip for the gun to go bang.

As far as single action is concerned,the correct method for dealing with a hangfire is to wait out 30 secs and the handle the slide.This gun is safe to carry chambered as the grip and triggers need to be in sync for it fire.

KageFox
18-06-2010, 11:28 PM
Well, as far as Glock fans go... the firing system of the XD is sort of similar... second-strike is a much debated upon feature, with arguments both for and against its usefulness.

@AK47: The pic has XD(M) markings. Not very sure, but I believe that XD or XD(M) is a Springfield Armory name. If the HS-2000 in question has XD/XD(M) markings, it will probably have Springfield Armory marked as well.

AK47
18-06-2010, 11:41 PM
@KF..................Sure bro, the stampings are there, my bad! Actually oversaw the "XDM" by the grips, thinking it more to be some "design" figures! :|

@Faisji...............Bro, thanks, you're right, the gun has plenty of safety features already, even an "empty battery" safety, yet in striker fired pistols, I personally still have a weakness for a decocker, basically to relieve "spring tension" if having a continuous chambered round for weeks, months, like the decocking feature in the Taurus OSS type handguns. :)

KageFox
18-06-2010, 11:51 PM
Apart from all the onboard safeties, I read the Springfield Armory Custom Shop was turning out pieces with a manual safety, upon request.

Apart from relieving spring tension, the decocker won't have much of a purpose, since there is no external hammer. I don't know, but I have always been confused about the practical purpose of a decocker on a concealed hammer gun. The Taurus 24/7 series is one of the few to employ such a safety/decocker on some of its guns...

http://i710.photobucket.com/albums/ww103/KageFoxOS/HS2000.jpg
I think this one is devoid of SA markings...

AK47
19-06-2010, 12:11 AM
Sure KF, no SA stampings, coz this is a pure HS 2000. :)

As for the decocker importance, you're right, not much of practical use as such, yet I personally feel, with the habit of always having a live round, I'm not very confident about having a constantly "strained" spring.

In my opinion, the decocker is even more important in striker guns than in external hammer ones, coz with those you can always lower the hammer slowly and carefully to relieve the tension and bring it to a DA action mode, yet from the moment you rack a striker fired one to chamber a round, there's no way for you to relieve the spring tension and it may stay there in that status for long then. Anyhow, just my feelings. :)

Aquarius
19-06-2010, 12:37 AM
In my opinion, the decocker is even more important in striker guns than in external hammer ones, coz with those you can always lower the hammer slowly and carefully to relieve the tension and bring it to a DA action mode, yet from the moment you rack a striker fired one to chamber a round, there's no way for you to relieve the spring tension and it may stay there in that status for long then. Anyhow, just my feelings. :)

If its Glock like striker fired guns, then there is no worries about spring tension/strain even if one carry the Gun loaded for longer period, because it will be in half cocked position all the time, which will not strain the spring unless the trigger is fully pulled backward just before firing...

AK47
19-06-2010, 01:00 AM
In my opinion, the decocker is even more important in striker guns than in external hammer ones, coz with those you can always lower the hammer slowly and carefully to relieve the tension and bring it to a DA action mode, yet from the moment you rack a striker fired one to chamber a round, there's no way for you to relieve the spring tension and it may stay there in that status for long then. Anyhow, just my feelings. :)

If its Glock like striker fired guns, then there is no worries about spring tension/strain even if one carry the Gun loaded for longer period, because it will be in half cocked position all the time, which will not strain the spring unless the trigger is fully pulled backward just before firing...

Thanks Aquarius bro for this enlightening info, that's really a great feature with the Glocks.

I believe it's basically possible due to Glock's "Safe action" feature, in that Glocks are neither DA's nor SA's, it's a type of it's own. :)

In DA/SA striker type guns like the PT 145, etc, the spring tension, however is constant. :)

A.Attique
20-01-2011, 07:30 PM
Is it finally available in Pakistan?

if Yes where and how much. I believe these are made in 9x19 caliber as well.

I see a lot of discussion about SA markings, if I am not wrong, SA is the license holder for sale in US. If the dealer procures from Croatia [or austria, where the official website seems to be based out of] we'll get the same thing that SA imports in US and sells with SA markings. As far as I know, SA got the license for distribution because of high quality of product itself and further customizations are done on request.

I would like to believe that basic quality is consistent and pretty good.

Dr Zakir
20-01-2011, 07:55 PM
Some odd piece here and there but no bulk import as yet .

Aquarius
20-01-2011, 07:56 PM
I guess its not available as yet in the market.

ACHILLES
20-01-2011, 10:29 PM
Bro i am not big fan of XD handguns.

Enigmatic Desires
21-01-2011, 03:03 AM
http://www.hs-arms.com/te-hs-bullet.php

http://www.hs-arms.com/te-hs-torture.php

I never thought any peice of machinery can survive this..

A bulldozer with caterpiller tracks

BaderJanjua
22-01-2011, 09:21 AM
My XDM 9 Compact is now on its way from USA and I would be able to comment once I lay my hands on it and give it a run at the range. I had a choice between Springfield and a Glock. Why I went for the XDM9 compact version was basically becuase of CC, high capacity magzine, dual safety and of course recommendations from some of my friends who had used it in USA, However my brother in law is getting his in .45

ACHILLES
22-01-2011, 05:07 PM
janjua sahib mubarik for the new piece. :)

BaderJanjua
22-01-2011, 06:48 PM
Hope that it reaches soon so that I can share with Pakgun members

ACHILLES
22-01-2011, 06:56 PM
Hoping, Praying and waiting bro.

AK47
22-01-2011, 06:59 PM
Congrats BadarJanjua bro, excellent item, finally we'll get to see it with a Pakgunner.

Regards.

Dr Zakir
22-01-2011, 07:59 PM
Mubarik sir need your feedback when u use it

ACHILLES
23-01-2011, 12:50 AM
Doc the gun has not even yet reached Pakistan as per the owner. :)

Dr Zakir
23-01-2011, 04:47 PM
Bro it will be here soon enough and another gun will be added at Pakguns review

Aquarius
23-01-2011, 10:14 PM
Bro it will be here soon enough and another gun will be added at Pakguns review

Hope it stands true, as I am waiting for this SOB for quite sometime now & its really getting on my nerves.

AK47
23-01-2011, 10:20 PM
Hope it stands true, as I am waiting for this SOB for quite sometime now & its really getting on my nerves.

Dr. Aquarius Sb, the gun above will still be a singular piece, only!

Course it will land here, sooner or later, but the HS 2000 will be more affordable and pocket-friendly to us than the XDM!

Aquarius
23-01-2011, 10:49 PM
Dr. Aquarius Sb, the gun above will still be a singular piece, only!

Course it will land here, sooner or later, but the HS 2000 will be more affordable and pocket-friendly to us than the XDM!

I don't think the XDM will be landing here anyway.. HS 2000 is what I was reffering to as basically its one & identical.

Apalo
24-01-2011, 08:00 AM
Mash Allah you people are "watering our mouth" but " angoor khatay hain"

Aquarius
24-01-2011, 05:37 PM
Mash Allah you people are "watering our mouth" but " angoor khatay hain"

Haha.. Lolzzz Apalo brother.

Dr Zakir
26-01-2011, 11:39 PM
U never know

AK47
27-01-2011, 12:01 AM
U never know

Lolz! Seems like our Dr. Sahib already has tasted the grapes!

Regards.

Aquarius
27-01-2011, 09:12 AM
Lolz! Seems like our Dr. Sahib already has tasted the grapes!

Regards.

Is it true Dr Sahib ?? Lolzz