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Anthrax
01-09-2009, 06:57 PM
Hi guys!

I came across this picture and I wasn't aware that Norinco also produces 1911 clones. Are there any available in Pakistan? If so, any idea on the price?

Thanks :)

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu81/ollituc/000_2279.jpg

Anthrax
01-09-2009, 06:59 PM
http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu81/ollituc/000_2282.jpg

a55kika
01-09-2009, 07:27 PM
Superb finishing.Have'nt seen it anywhere in the market though.Although it should be available.

Mitho
01-09-2009, 07:40 PM
np44 r avalaible in karachi.aroud 55k

Silent killerr
01-09-2009, 07:44 PM
no idea about this one. it is Auto pistol as written on it

a55kika
01-09-2009, 07:59 PM
np44 r avalaible in karachi.aroud 55k
Dude...Ditch that 1911 and go for the np44.It is the same as 1911 but has a double stack magazine with 14 rounds :)

http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/9229/74708393.th.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=aV1k8mhJ)

a55kika
01-09-2009, 08:01 PM
np44 r avalaible in karachi.aroud 55k
YO!!!Could you give us more info?
Where exactly did you find the np44?

takenleader
01-09-2009, 08:08 PM
asak, look out for the taurus 1911 , the finish is years ahead of the np44, but the np44 has 14 rounds magazine which its most unique feature. If the lord has blessed u with big hands the i guess the np44 has been designed for u . Check out defence arms at zamzama for the np44 . He will quote 60000, the final price depends upon u r negotiation skills

XMen
01-09-2009, 08:14 PM
Good weapon will see and if things goes will must buy that one for my collections

Enigmatic Desires
01-09-2009, 08:43 PM
Never seen either of em :(

Sultan Khan
01-09-2009, 08:50 PM
is it automatic? or what?

Anthrax
01-09-2009, 09:09 PM
I can't believe this isn't available in the market. I thought our market was flooded with chinese weapons specially the TT's and CF-98's.

But this 1911 A1 looks quite impressive. We should ask some dealer to specially import some pieces for us. I bet it'll be cost effective as well! Here's a few more pictures.

Nickel plated:

http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/2443/nickelnorinco2smek2.jpg

http://www.guardieinformate.net/site/uploads/newbb/204_4824242c59a21.jpg
http://www.marstar.ca/gf-norinco/images/splash-hg-1911-300px.jpg

Xerga
01-09-2009, 10:45 PM
ofcourse its NOT an automatic weapon. its 45ACP. means like, .45 automatic colt pistol (round) or 45 auto (round)

Dr Zakir
01-09-2009, 11:20 PM
1911 is world famous design and is a great pistol to shoot and I believe any body who has shot this pistol falls in love with it . No doubt Americans love it more than any other and I think this is the design who had max no of clones
looks like china has made a superb copy

Enigmatic Desires
02-09-2009, 01:04 AM
is it automatic? or what?


An automatic means "self loading" i.e it loads itself after every round .. It has nothing to do with the firing of the gun itself

Anthrax
02-09-2009, 01:21 AM
1911 is world famous design and is a great pistol to shoot and I believe any body who has shot this pistol falls in love with it . No doubt Americans love it more than any other and I think this is the design who had max no of clones
looks like china has made a superb copy

Indeed. The Nickel plated copy almost looks like an American made 1911.

I wonder why our dealers don't import these. Is it because of the .45 ammo? Because I heard it's hard to find and also very expensive. But still, I'd love to buy something like this. Far better than the TT's floating around in our country.

My Uncle gave me his TT Chinese just a few days back for home protection. I didn't quite like its shape :(

Enigmatic Desires
02-09-2009, 01:25 AM
there are few people who like the 'shape' of the TT. .

Its an ergonomic nightmare!

Irttyza
02-09-2009, 02:04 AM
I would love to own a Norinco 1911.(The single stack magazine version)

StevenCline
02-09-2009, 08:39 AM
.45 Auto(matic) is the proper designation for the .45 caliber cartridge designed by John Brownin in 1904 for his prototype semi-automatic pistol. The same cartridge is sometimes identified as .45 ACP (Automatic Colt Pistol).

I had a friend who owned a Norinco, he was unenthusiastic and sold it. Taurus may be a much better choice.

Ahmad
02-09-2009, 09:13 AM
Np44 is available at orient traders lahore for around 60 k. It has very wide frame & people with smaller hands might face issues in proper hold. An other thing is the beauty of this design is its slim profile which can be had in single stack only.

KageFox
02-09-2009, 12:53 PM
I believe that the Norinco 1911 is best for those who are looking for a base gun for customization. Otherwise, the Taurus is better out-of-the-box.

Adeel Ahmad
02-09-2009, 01:20 PM
I held the NP44 Ahmad Bhai is refering to and its finishing was plain pathetic. I think these just look nice in pictures.

MIdreesTaj
02-09-2009, 04:02 PM
i ve read Taurus PT1911 reviews, americans are scolding it of its ammo sensitivity and reliability in question ! Same goes for Norinco 1911... Some of the chinese pieces and also the Taurus pieces only happen to like Ball ammo to work reliably :) so be ware of it.

KageFox
02-09-2009, 04:13 PM
I've read otherwise, that the Taurus 1911 is in some ways better than the $1000 guns. Won't know what to say until someone on the forum tests the Taurus out. I think Abbas Bhai also had favorable comments about his Taurus.

StevenCline
02-09-2009, 05:11 PM
Taurus PT1911 reviews:

http://www.gunblast.com/Taurus-PT1911SS.htm
http://www.pyramydair.com/blog/2007/06/bb-gets-disappointed.html
( I observed that 1911 have a break in period of some 500 rnds and should be shot well lubricated- failures are expected during this break in period)
http://forum.pafoa.org/pistols-41/21653-gun-review-taurus-pt1911-45-acp.html
http://www.shootingtimes.com/handgun_reviews/pt_080505/

Mitho
02-09-2009, 07:47 PM
i will beg to differ.norinco 1911 clones are the best clones of 1911.never heard that norinco clones are ammo sensitive.as for jhps colt 1911 have even worse reputation.

Mitho
02-09-2009, 07:55 PM
just dont go whats posted on western forums they totally baised aganist norincos.

Fahim
03-09-2009, 10:38 AM
Nice gun.. Gr8 copy..

Slayerjatt
04-09-2009, 04:12 PM
i shot this at the north china international shooting range. the gun felt great.

XMen
04-09-2009, 05:59 PM
Could anyone tell me about the price of NP44

Mitho
04-09-2009, 09:13 PM
go through the thread and u will find out.

gunslinger82
25-09-2009, 01:09 PM
the 1911 replica np44 will cost u around 47k the recent rates i got to knw.......

Sherwan_88
15-11-2009, 09:03 PM
Anybody have any updates about the current availability of this particular firearm in the market? :rolleyes:

Zhatash
16-11-2009, 06:59 PM
What about Smith&Wesson SW1911 9mm Is it available in Pakistan ???
http://s3.postimage.org/YXWv0.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=PqYXWv0)

Handsome_Phantom
18-11-2009, 08:18 AM
Norinco 1911 is avaiable in market for 45 thousand.

Ahmad
18-11-2009, 08:22 AM
Norinco 1911 is avaiable in market for 45 thousand.
Is it single stack or staggred coulm magazine?

ay_be_why
18-11-2009, 09:01 AM
better be single-stack, cuz i read somewhere, "if it ain't metal, single-action and single stack, it ain't 1911" :)
i hope both single-and double-stacked models are available.

Starfish
18-11-2009, 10:06 AM
Norinco 1911 is avaiable in market for 45 thousand.
Is it single stack or staggred coulm magazine?
it was single stack, without rails, black (blued) finish

Maximus
18-11-2009, 11:07 AM
Norinco 1911 is avaiable in market for 45 thousand.

can i get a dealer name please.and nib?

Starfish
18-11-2009, 11:17 AM
Norinco 1911 is avaiable in market for 45 thousand.

can i get a dealer name please.and nib?
NIB. Orient Traders lahore.

Maximus
18-11-2009, 12:20 PM
Thanks Starfish. Still on the waiting list but u guys make every pistol seem like the best thing to have. I`ll hire a consultant first.

:D

Starfish
18-11-2009, 12:22 PM
Thanks Starfish. Still on the waiting list but u guys make every pistol seem like the best thing to have. I`ll hire a consultant first.

:D
No problemo!
and yes you re right :) so many "must buys" :D

Maximus
18-11-2009, 02:43 PM
any personal experience with the 1911? Its just historically placed and an option in the under 50k range.

Salahuddin Ayubi
18-11-2009, 02:48 PM
Thanks Starfish. Still on the waiting list but u guys make every pistol seem like the best thing to have. I`ll hire a consultant first.

:D

Oh bro that is such a true statement.

Kabhi hum apni wish-list aur kabhi apni bank statement ko daikhtay hain. ;)

Starfish
18-11-2009, 03:09 PM
any personal experience with the 1911? Its just historically placed and an option in the under 50k range.
none whatsoever. although i do have a 1911 on my "must buy" list :)

Maximus
18-11-2009, 03:32 PM
:)

I`ll get the norinco and you can get a stoeger, if of course you dont already have one. It`ll be like an MOU between PG members.:D

ay_be_why
19-11-2009, 12:29 PM
any first-hand reviews of the Norinco 1911 guys?? on many different forums, these get the review which all of our members using Norinco guns give, i.e. "a very good buy for the price"

Maximus
19-11-2009, 12:47 PM
@ SA

:D Its an expensive hobby to adore but eventually the satisfaction makes it worthwhile. I guess we all start out small with so many options on the table.

Starfish
19-11-2009, 12:49 PM
:)

I`ll get the norinco and you can get a stoeger, if of course you dont already have one. It`ll be like an MOU between PG members.:D
great idea :P

Ahmad
19-11-2009, 02:03 PM
Norinco 1911 is avaiable in market for 45 thousand.

can i get a dealer name please.and nib?
NIB. Orient Traders lahore.
There were no single stack there i checked last month, are they new arrival

Handsome_Phantom
19-11-2009, 02:56 PM
I saw 1911 at orient when i went there with starfish

Starfish
19-11-2009, 03:07 PM
I saw 1911 at orient when i went there with starfish
last saturday.

Glocky
19-11-2009, 03:59 PM
any idea of the price ?

Starfish
19-11-2009, 04:03 PM
any idea of the price ?
45k

Glocky
19-11-2009, 04:06 PM
Thanks for the update. regards

takenleader
07-02-2010, 07:30 AM
i just read this article on a 1911 forum and found it quite interesting

There is nothing wrong with Norinco 1911's you can be sure of that. Here is a copy of a post from a friend of mine who is an engineer in Ottawa that will give you some idea of the quality of the steel in Norincos.

"Allright, well let me first start by explaining a few things about steel in general, including Ordnance grades of steel. Hardness does not necessarily equate to brittleness, that is a function of heat treating and alloy. Even softer steels can crack and be brittle, it's a matter of how the internal stresses are relieved, or not, by annealing and hardening processes, as well as upon carbon on other constituent elements found in the steel.

Also should mention, I'm comparing apples to apples, so only the CroMo Colt is being compared to the CroMo Norinco here. The stainless guns have their own quirks (like spalling problems, corrosion resistance benefits, etc.)

In layman's terms, the more important characteristics to crafting firearms is the toughness of the steel and modulous of elasticity of the steel. You want steel that is ductile enough to flex at the microscopic level and return to its original shape but hard enough to have good wear resistance and, in higher end guns, be able to take and keep the desired finish without dinging up too easily.

Now if we want to talk about relative hardness of steels, Norincos are made from a different steel formulation than Colts are. Comparing Rockwell hardnesses really won't tell you much, but as a general observation, on average the Norincos are at least 30% harder on the surface than most other 1911's, including the Colt. This does not mean they are more brittle - it means that the alloy used to Make the Norincos (5100 tool steel*) results in a much harder surface when heat treated than does the Colt alloy (4140 Ordnance grade tool steel*).

*Although the exact alloy formulations are "industrial secrets", destructive testing done in the USA by the DCM (circa 1997) determined that Colt uses 4140 and the Chinese formulation used in 1911's and M14S receivers is an exact match to AISI 5100 series steel.

Perhaps this is the time to mention something else about Colts. Colt does not use the same alloy today it used in WW2 and earlier. In WW1, the guns were not even given what we think of today as "heat treating". Those older guns were only spot-treated at high stress areas and today have a rather high incidence of slide cracking using full factory loads due to a number of factors, including metal fatigue, crack propagation, creep, etc. coupled with the fact that vast portions of the slide and frame have no treatment at all. That being said, the steel is very ductile and in the event of failure, it should just bend and crack - not fracture like a grenade. A good thing, but at the same time - these babies should be collected and admired more than turned into a range marathon pistol!

I could get further into heat treating, including annealing, case hardening, gas carburizing, cyanide dips, etc. and the resulting pearlitic and/or martensitic grain structures, but frankly, unless you work in a foundry or have a mechanical engineering degree and understanding of materials science, it would be way too far over everyone's head so I'll try to keep this explanation understandable for the average fellow

Now for a short note on Chinese steel "quality". The Chinese are as advanced as we are in Steel production. Is Chicom steel of poorer quality on average on a gross domestic production basis? Yes, absolutely. This is because the majority of China's manufacturing is devoted to the Wal-Marts of the world at a very low price point, so cheaper steels are generally produced and used for those products. The steel used in their weapons, however, is every bit as up to snuff as North American steel is.

So now we get into the 5100 alloy Norinco 1911 in particular. 5100 is an EXCELLENT receiver material. It hardens very well on the surface but maintains an adequately ductile core. This gives great wear resistance and great resistance to plastic deformation (deformation that causes the parts to permanently deform or warp). The one achilles heel to 5100 series alloys is that they are notoriously hard to machine. Norinco, I suspect, machines their parts with carbide cutters prior to heat treating. On a finished gun the only way you're going to cut it with HSS mill bits is if you spot-anneal the steel with a torch first. Most smiths have to buy carbide mill bits to work the steel, and even then there's a very high tool wear rate. This is probably why so few smiths will do Novak cuts to a Norinco slide - they probably only have HSS tooling!

5100 alloy is, most probably, the alloy most manufacturers WOULD chose to build receivers if tool bits were cheap and labor costs were low. It really does have better end-product properties than 4140 steel does, and it's also easier to smelt at the steel mill and forges beautifully. Virtually all Cro-Mo guns made in the west that aren't cast, however, are made of 4140 or other 4100 series alloys. 4140 is an entirely adequate steel for use in guns, it also wears tools at a much slower rate and can still be machined easily after hardening. The Chinese are fortunate in that they make many of the tool steel bits on the market (cheap supply) and lobor costs are very low. This makes 5100 steel actually cheaper for them to use b/c of the lower costs associated with making the steel stock.

All this to say, you can complain about the design, fit, finish, and economics of a Norinco 1911. But frankly, trashing the steel is a bigotted and unfounded arguement based on ignorance and reliance on the Go-USA writings of most internet experts "

I hope this gives you a better perspective of the Norinco 1911.
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KageFox
07-02-2010, 10:09 AM
Interesting find... different types of steel and all...

From my point of view, the metal of the gun should be good enough to prevent major tarnishing or rusting, should have the attributes to handle higher-than-normal powered loads... and it should look okay :P thats about it...

Mitho
07-02-2010, 10:27 AM
good info about the steel any information about norc 1911 avalibilty?

Asif Jhammat
28-06-2011, 04:49 PM
brother i m waiting for norinco 1911A1 commander to come in market...

TYR
29-06-2011, 02:41 PM
The norinco 1911 is an excellent pistol. Quality wise, the metal is first class and the finnishing is not bad either. I have two of them and also a colt 1911. but i find the Norinco as good as the colt.

Wilson Combat is a famous gunsmith firm in the US especializing in 1911 modifications. They only take 4 brands of 1911s to work on, AND ONE OF THEM IS THE NORINCO. IMHO, it speaks mountains of the quaity. Dont assume that if it is chinese it wont be good. :)

Our Army, Airforce and NAvy are on a fast track to convert to Chinese equipment, they can't be wrong.

cyanide.dipped
01-07-2011, 03:08 AM
Nornico 1911 is an excellent piece no doubt about that. It has a top-notch quality and doesn't disappoint a 1911 lover at all. The steel it is made of, as mentioned above, is extremely durable. All in all you just can't go wrong with the Norinco 1911.

However, my problem is that, one it is a series 70 clone and, two that it has double stack magazine which is not a big problem to shoot with, but is a big problem when you have to carry it concealed.

Some while ago somebody asked me on the forum if Norinco 1911 was a available in Lahore NIB. When I looked around I couldn't find one. I hear that new ones are availane with orient... Well that's great then. If somebody doesn't have a problem with double stack, he should buy one of these. These are pretty cool.

Just my two cents :-)

Regards,
CD.

Asif Jhammat
01-07-2011, 03:08 PM
TYR brother ..which 1911 do u have..full size or commander....
is norinco commander available in khi.? plz do reply