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    Popular Turkish Shotgun Manufacturers

    AoA Everybody

    Today I got an opportunity to sit down with a couple of Turkish Delegates and for some odd ball reason we started talking about shotguns (OK! I give up IT WAS ME). The discussion which was originally about durable and reliable shotguns turned into which shotguns are popular in Turkey (OOPS! I did it again). anyways, here is the summary:

    Popular Autoloader Shotguns in Turkey:

    1. Armsan



    General Perception of The Turkish Consumer: Known for their quality (at affordable prices) shotgun. durable, reliable and very light weight for semi auto shotguns.

    2. Hatsan Escort



    General Perception of The Turkish Consumer: known for their quality airguns. a popular and old airgun brand. currently known for their durable, reliable and affordable semi auto shotguns. Company is known for employing latest in manufacturing techniques.

    3. ATA Arms



    General Perception of The Turkish Consumer: known for their quality semi auto shotguns. durable, reliable and affordable.

    Over and Under Shotguns:

    1. Akus Arms





    General Perception of The Turkish Consumer: High end (high grade) Turkish Shotgun manufacturer. their quality is generally considered equal to more expensive imported Italian/Spanish brands. High quality, High finish and beautiful O/U shotguns. also makes shotguns for Webley and Scott and Smith and wesson.

    2. Yildiz





    General Perception of The Turkish Consumer: known for their highly finished and extremely light weight O/U shotguns at affordable prices. their light weight is attributed to the usage of aluminum alloy in receiver design with steel inserts in critical high wear areas. company is know for beautifully engraved and extremely light weight shotguns in affordable prices.

    3. Hatsan Optima



    General Perception of The Turkish Consumer: known for their quality airguns. a popular and old airgun brand. currently known for their durable, reliable and affordable O/U shotguns. durable but a bit on the heavy side.

    4. Sarsilmaz



    General Perception of The Turkish Consumer: the largest firearms manufacturing company in Turkey. offers highest number of products ranging from pistols to shotguns.

    How the Turkish Firearms Industry Operates:

    The Turkish firearms industry comprises of several gun making towns similar to our Darra Adam Khel. Each town houses several small gun makers that churn out various parts for the Big Names to procure and assemble into branded shotguns.

    Name of the Towns:

    Huğlu (town, Not brand)
    Üzümlü
    Konya (Akus)
    Burdur (Yildiz)
    İzmir (Hatsan)
    Düzce (Sarsilmaz)
    İstanbul (Armsan and ATA)

    The Outcome of the Discussion:

    We need to see more Turkish shotgun imports to Pakistan. Yildiz to be precise. I have been drooling over one ever since I laid my eyes (and to some extent, my hands. couldn't resist) on one at the range.

    Disclaimer: The information provided here was acquired through an informal discussion with a small group of individuals and passed only for the reading pleasure of the esteemed members here at www.pakguns.com. The information may not be accurate and may not approximate (or represent) the view/perception of the entire consumer group in Turkey. the integrity of the information cannot be guaranteed. therefore the information provided in this thread may not be taken as correct, final and legally binding in anyway.

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    Last edited by 12GAUGE; 25-11-2011 at 12:18 PM.
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    Thanks for the guidance Sir
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    You know what 12G bro, I think the only one around you that you can't get into talks with on firearms, must be your better counter half, lol! Let us know of the day that you succeed in that too, I do not doubt your poisonous power of infiltrating innocents minds to discuss fireables, with or without the consent, hahahahaha!

    Anyhow, thanks for the pillow talk of late night and well done, killing the time with these Turk gentlemen and doing full "microscopy" all the way back to the GENES of the Turkish delights that we use. Excellent share above.

    May I just say, this is the way to boom one's potential up for the gross benefit of the GDP, the way the Turk government promoted the skills of their technical faculty available, in setting up kind of small firearms industries all around the country and gave them the kind of "vendor" status of supplying parts and components to the main manufacturers - or may I say "assemblers" - who then assemble the quality manufactured items - made according to individually specified requirements - and then move on to export these delights to us for the further joy.

    I feel this is an example that should long ago have been followed over here, if our government could have utilized the skills of our Darra region and helped those people in setting up small manufacturing units with the state of the art equipment. This would also have ridden illegal firearms to a great extent.

    I think, what you missed discussing with the Turks, or perhaps just forgot to include in your post above, that all firearms for export are then passed on to another authority like MKEK, which does the final passing of the quality standards before export permission is giving and items serialized. It's an absolutely unique set up.

    Finally, I feel we should discuss with some of the more popular importers over here, to get us some of the more desired Turkish items, that they somehow still haven't pondered on to import. An example is the Sarsilmaz Rifled barrel slug autoloader, a couple of great handguns by Sarsilmaz, like the 14 shots K-45, probably also the SC model in Stoeger Cougar, which also could fill a major gap over here in reliable CC.


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    Last edited by AK47; 25-11-2011 at 09:23 AM.
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    @AK47

    you are absolutely right. I believe Pakistan Hunting and Sporting Arms Development Company was indeed setup for the very same purpose. sadly, it has only been able to do NOTHING so far. I really want to avoid politics but truth is that only with a strong resolve and utmost sincerity to the nation such undertakings can accomplished.

    as per my limited knowledge, all firearms are tested IN HOUSE only in Turkey. MKEK which is similar to our POF makes rifled barrels and other parts for most manufacturers but does not conduct any testing. That is why, Turkish firearms are not stamped with a proof of test anywhere.

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    You're probably right, MKEK does not do any proof testing, but of what I've heard, they "serialize" all exports with a national code, usually the "TR" and then a number. All Turkish weapons can be tracked back to their database by the use of these serialization details.

    I cannot say exactly if Turk manufactures undertake any form of proof testing of the arms to be exported, however, but I do believe they're somehow quality checked n' passed one way or another, should be, ideally.


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    Laws that forbid the carrying of arms...disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes...Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage, than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man.

    "Take your time and deliberate, but when the time for action has arrived, stop thinking, and go in. "

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    Dear 12 Gauge Bro, Thats something really good for reading and knowladge !!!

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    @Hassan brother excellent right-up and info on the Turkish shot guns. Apparently it looks that the Turkish delegation you met belongs to Firearms Industry of Turkey but I am sure it was not like that. Its only your skill and interest for the shot guns which retrieved maximum information from the delegation and rest is your personal research. I am greatly inspired by the Akus and Yildiz side plated models. In the finish and engraving they are compatible with any other European famous names. If someone in Pakistan already imported these side plated models?

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    Interesting information.thanks for sharing. i wish they start their proof house for better quality and customer's mind satisfaction.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Topak View Post
    Interesting information.thanks for sharing. i wish they start their proof house for better quality and customer's mind satisfaction.
    Lol! Oh come on dear brother Topak, have you had any complaints?

    The durability part is only a concern for very HEAVY users. 90% of us will find Turk weapons lasting long enough.


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    "Take your time and deliberate, but when the time for action has arrived, stop thinking, and go in. "

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    Quote Originally Posted by Topak View Post
    Interesting information.thanks for sharing. i wish they start their proof house for better quality and customer's mind satisfaction.
    Quote Originally Posted by AK47 View Post
    Lol! Oh come on dear brother Topak, have you had any complaints?

    The durability part is only a concern for very HEAVY users. 90% of us will find Turk weapons lasting long enough.


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    LOL ... no doubt these guns are durable ...thats why i have highlighted the words in red. and by ''heavy users'' ; literally, you mean Omer 571,Ilyas Khan bahi and Moeen Sb ? Lol
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    very nice and informative thread bro.
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    Just loved the Yildiz O/U... for me they are a bit pricy :P

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    Great informative report 12G bro; I am sorry but don't agree that the Turkish people you met were not related to firearms industry or not were firearms enthusiasts, the information they shared cannot be a layman's guess by the way did you ask them about when Turkish manufacturers will be able to produce a shotgun with nice n non rattling wood furniture?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Topak View Post
    LOL ... no doubt these guns are durable ...thats why i have highlighted the words in red. and by ''heavy users'' ; literally, you mean Omer 571,Ilyas Khan bahi and Moeen Sb? Lol
    I think tiny 12G bro would still be the heaviest amongst these stalwarts, hahahahaha! Btw, you really made me miss them here.


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    Laws that forbid the carrying of arms...disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes...Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage, than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man.

    "Take your time and deliberate, but when the time for action has arrived, stop thinking, and go in. "

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    Hassan you are great seeker of knowledge .
    Your interest in 12 gage make you definite ahead of all.
    And i am agree with awais bro totally.
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    12gauge a vary good review bro i don,t know about durability but i am shocked to see these guns turkey really makes some good guns especially akus models they are not less then any good European brands vary nice finish engraving i would say every thing is perfect.but durability you can,t say till you try.
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    thank you 12gague for this information
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    Very informative thread. Thanks for sharing 12GAUGE brother.
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    informative post as usual . with thier good quality and affordable price turkish weapons will soon make major portion of the market. I liked the looks of those over unders

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    Thanks for sharing this info 12Guage bro.

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