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    Review: Winchester SX3 Shotgun

    Winchester SX3 Shotgun Review

    The Winchester Super X3 (SX3) Composite shotgun is the model preferred by many hunters because of its trim dimensions that feel and balance perfectly in your hands.
    The self-adjusting Active Valve gas system and proprietary next generation In flex Technology recoil pad reduce felt recoil as much as 50% over that of inertia-operated auto loaders for faster follow-up shots and prolonged shooting comfort.










    COMPANY FACTS:

    It is the fastest semi-Automatic shotgun in the market.


    Technical Specifications


    Category: FIREARMS - SHOTGUNS
    Make: Winchester Super X3 ( SX3 )
    Action : Gas operated Semi-Automatic
    Gauge :12
    Barrel Length :28 inches
    Capacity :4 + 1
    Chamber :3"
    Weight :7 lbs
    Chokes: 3 chokes included
    Stock :Synthetic
    Finish :Gunmetal Grey Perma-Cote Ultra Tough, Dura-Touch armor coating.


    Packing

    The SX3 comes in a not very impressive cardboard box, which includes the following with the gun:
    5 SHIMS
    2 SPACERS
    3 Choke tubes (Full, Modified and Improved Cylinder)
    Gun lock
    Sling swivel studs.


    Finish & Looks

    A gunmetal gray Perma-Cote UT (Ultra Tough) surface finish is applied to external metal surfaces for extreme corrosion protection, while the bolt is plated with electrolytes nickel for reduced friction and added corrosion resistance.
    The composite fiber model has a very bold new dashing look. I personally don't like the looks of the wooden model.


    Grip, Stock, Cast and Drop
    Dura Touch Armor Coating provides a sure grip during wet weather conditions.
    Inserts/Spacers (4 come in the box) can easily be added or removed between the stock to adapt your gun to your exact measurements. Length can be adjusted from 349mm to 375mm (14 inches to 15 inches ).
    Shims (5 come in the box) fit between the butt stock and receiver, allowing customized adjustments to the comb and heel.





    Action & Barrel
    The Barrel of the Sx3 is Back-bored which enables you to obtain perfect shot patterns.
    Back-boring ensures that there is less friction between the shot and the wall of the barrel. Less friction means more of the energy generated by the gunpowder is used hence resulting in increased velocity of the load.






    Balance and Recoil

    It has a reliable Active Value Gas operated system, which is adjusted automatically and significantly reduces recoil.
    The design of the grip and fore-end contribute to the excellent handling of the gun.
    SX3 is not a soft shooting gun but the feel and balance make up for the recoil. After a good day of shooting you would notice less fatigue with the SX3.


    Sights

    Front Sight: Metal bead.


    Magazine & Chokes

    The Magazine capacity is 4+1. Magazine extension tubes are also available that can increase the shell capacity to up to 10+1.

    The gun comes with 3 In vector+ chokes ( F,M,IC ). These are long sized chokes especially for Back-Bored barrels.



    Safety Mechanism

    The shotgun has a cross-bolt type safety and is placed behind the trigger. The safety is reversible for right or left handed operation.



    Reliability

    I found the gun to be pretty reliable in both water fowling and upland hunting. There were shell jams initially but I guess it was due to the Break in period.

    It rained continuously for 3 hours during the last duck shoot and the gun fired flawlessly.


    Maintenance

    Maintenance is not an issue with the SX3. The gun can be easily stripped apart and cleaned. However the gas piston is complicatedly built and needs time and effort to be cleaned.

    Price
    The gun is currently selling under 170k.



    Pattern Test:
    I have lost the 2 other chokes so could only pattern test the weapon with the modified choke.

    A little about patterns first.

    Pattern test is conducted to check the shot density, which is very important.

    We need to determine the range at which we most often take, or would like to take, our game and go for the optimum pattern at that range.


    During the pattern tests, The SX3 performed well and displayed good hunting level patterns.

    Pattern test Details:

    Shooter.....................Kakar
    Shotgun:...................Winchester SX3
    Ammo:......................Shaheen # 4, #6 Super, BB & SG
    Choke:......................Modified
    Distance:..................20, 30 & 40 Yards
    Technique:................Standing
    Target:....................Chart paper ( 44'' x 30'' )



    Pattern #
    Ammo:..........................Shaheen # 4
    Choke:......................... Modified
    Distance:......................20 Yards
    Pellets in loaded shell.......200
    Pellets in 30'' circle:.........196
    % of pellets in 30" circle...98%

    At this 20 yards distance the pattern very concentrated with 98% pellets in the 30” circle. The pattern is capable of taking down any large, medium or small bird but there is high probability of the the game meat being destroyed.
    Read pellet count as 196 instead of 210 in the pic.





    Pattern # 2
    Ammo:..........................Shaheen # 4
    Choke:......................... Modified
    Distance:......................30 Yards
    Pellets in loaded shell.......200
    Pellets in 30'' circle:.........168
    % of pellets in 30" circle...84%

    At this 30 yards distance the pattern is wide open with a good percentage of 84% pellets in the 30” circle and is capable of harvesting all duck sizes out to the 40 yard mark. The high pattern count would make it particularly effective on small and medium sized ducks.





    Pattern # 3
    Ammo:..........................Shaheen # 6 Super
    Choke:......................... Modified
    Distance:......................30 Yards
    Pellets in loaded shell.......340
    Pellets in 30'' circle:.........198
    % of pellets in 30" circle...58%

    At this 30 yards distance the pattern is wide open with a few pellet free areas but we should not be overly concerned about them as long as they don’t dominate the overall pattern picture. The pattern is capable of harvesting small and medium sized birds. This combination is not advisable for large birds as the pellets of load # 6 are small and won't be able to penetrate to the vital areas to make a kill and would just injure the large bird.





    Pattern # 4
    Ammo:..........................Shaheen # 6 Super
    Choke:......................... Modified
    Distance:......................40 Yards
    Pellets in loaded shell.......340
    Pellets in 30'' circle:.........72
    % of pellets in 30" circle...21%

    This is a very blown pattern at 40 yards and is not recommended for any challenging hunting situation. With only 21% pellets in the 30” circle added with the small pellets of load# 6 and longer distance of 40 yards, the combination is highly undesirable.





    Pattern # 5
    Ammo:..........................Shaheen # BB
    Choke:......................... Modified
    Distance:......................30 Yards
    Pellets in loaded shell.......76
    Pellets in 30'' circle:.........70
    % of pellets in 30" circle...92%

    At this 30 yards distance the pattern is wide open in the middle with only a few strikes around the edges of the 30”circle. The pellet percentage of 92% is pretty good and the combination is capable of harvesting large size ducks. However, the relatively low pellet count does not make it a good choice for small and medium ducks.





    Pattern # 6
    Ammo:..........................Shaheen # 4
    Choke:......................... Modified
    Distance:......................20 Yards
    Pellets in loaded shell.......200
    Pellets in 30'' circle:.........196
    % of pellets in 30" circle...98%

    This pattern has been discussed above. A teal duck has been placed to show a real type situation. A duck of this size if hit by this combination ( modified + Shot # 4 + 20 Yards ) will take approximately 25 to 30 pellets and as mentioned above, will damage the game meat.
    Read pellet count as 196 instead of 210 in the pic.





    Pattern # 7
    Ammo:..........................Shaheen # 6 Super
    Choke:......................... Modified
    Distance:......................40 Yards
    Pellets in loaded shell.......340
    Pellets in 30'' circle:.........72
    % of pellets in 30" circle...21%

    This pattern has been discussed above. A teal duck has been placed to show a real type situation. A duck of this size if hit by this combination ( modified + Shot # 6 + 40 Yards ) would most probably fly away with taking 1 or 2 non-fatal pellets. There are a lot of pellet free areas and the energy of small pellets of shot # 6 at 40 yards is quite little.





    Pattern # 8
    Ammo:..........................Shaheen # BB
    Choke:......................... Modified
    Distance:......................30 Yards
    Pellets in loaded shell.......76
    Pellets in 30'' circle:.........70
    % of pellets in 30" circle...92%

    This pattern has been discussed above. A teal duck has been placed to show a real type situation. This combination ( modified + Shot # BB + 30 yards ) should be avoided on small size ducks as the chances of misses are high due to the low pellet count. Having said that it can easily take down a small bird with a single hit pellet.





    Pattern # 9
    Ammo:..........................Shaheen # SG
    Choke:......................... Modified
    Distance:......................30 Yards
    Pellets in loaded shell.......9
    Pellets in 30'' circle:.........9
    % of pellets in 30" circle...100%

    At 30 yards the pattern with 100% pellet percentage is evenly balanced. The combination is capable of taking down a wild boar, deer, hog deer size animal instantly with pellets hitting the head, chest and back.





    Mistakes generally made by new shot gunners:

    Choosing more choke ( e.g modified instead of Cylinder ) than is actually required for a specific application is the single most common mistake made by those who are new to shotgunning.
    It is best for a beginning shot gunner to start with less choke than he/she thinks he/she needs and then work up to tighter chokes as required.

    The two most common mistakes inexperienced shot gunners make are lifting the head from the stock as they fire and stopping the swing as the trigger is squeezed. Keeping your cheek glued to the stock as the gun fires is an absolute must as failing to do so will usually cause you to shoot over the target. Stopping your swing just as you pull the trigger will cause you to shoot behind the target.

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    Excellent review and tips KAKAR bahi

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    @Kakar Sb.

    Great review and fantastic photography Sir. nicely written and covers all aspects of the said firearm in detail. keep up the good work sir. I must insist that it is one hell of an awesome looking shotgun. every single line just portrays pure elegance. i'm sure it must be one pleasurable shooting firearm as well.

    if you kindly allow I do have a few questions regarding the patterns.

    1. the pattern with modified choke at 20 yards should have been no more than 20-25 inches whereas I can see the shotgun patterns around 30 inches. have you tried any other brand of ammo cause it could be shaheen messing with an over bored barrel.

    2. same goes for the 30 yard pattern. it should have been somewhere between 32-35 inches max whereas this shotgun seem to pattern around 35inches plus

    3. at 40 yards, the pattern is too huge. it should not have been more than 40-46 inches with modified choke.

    4. similarly if you look using the other popular approach of evaluating chokes, the pattern at 40 yards should have 60% of pellets inside a 30 inch circle whereas this shotgun patterns at 21%.

    i'm guessing, it could be the ammo messing with the over bored barrel. have you tried any other brand of ammo with better gas seal? i'm totally open to the idea that i'm wrong here.

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    very good review sir.....i wish i own this shotgun....ohhhh i love this..

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    @kakar, v nice detail & R&D on patterning. Patterns with IC choke with 4# shaheen is the one most commonly used over decoys in 30 yd range. And even upto 35 yd. Coz with mod choke at 30 yd, patterns are tighter 84%, and optimum pattern is 65-70%. So what does ur pattern board say on that...

    4# IC at 30 to 35 yds (duck over decoys)

    8# IC at same max shooting range (quail)

    8# Mod at same max shooting range (partridge)

    i ve found above combos to be very effective. Pls throw some light on these three also with ur gun which is a master pc indeed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by francolino View Post
    Coz with mod choke at 30 yd, patterns are tighter 84%, and optimum pattern is 65-70%. So what does ur pattern board say on that...
    Sir optimum patterns at 40 yards on a 30 inch circle are supposed to be around 60-65%.

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    Congrats kakar sahib. What a beauty

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    Thank you Dr. Zakir, hskhan2k2 and Trigger sahib..

    Thank you 12 Gauge sahab for the appreciation. Sir, regarding your first 2 questions I think the patterns are within the 20 to 25 and 32 to 35 inches area. Area of the chart paper is 30" X 44" and on the computer screen if you measure with a scale, 1" = 4''. I measured it with a scale and with the exception of 3 to 7 pellets, all pellets come within your mentioned measurements. Please correct me if I am wrong.

    Coming to the other questions, I totally agree with you that the patterns are too much blown which should not be the case with modern shotguns. I also did a pattern test of my Beretta A400 with similar results (will post the results today). As you said, the only culprit I can think of is the Shaheen cartridge.
    Have not tried any other brand ammo. Will do that in the coming days.

    Thank you francolino sahab. Guess my pattern tests show 84% result at 30 yards with M choke. Regarding your combo choice, I personally don't like using the IC choke and normally use Modified. If a partridge or quail is too close for a M choke then you can always let it fly away a few yards and take the shot then. I have ordered the IC choke from Cabelas and will do a pattern test when in hand. After that I can shed some light on your choice of combinations.

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    Excellent review and range report for which I was craving Kakar brother.. since you possess both Winchester SX3 and Beretta 400 Xplore, which one will you recommend for those who can afford just one out of these.

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    @Kakar ; Good Show
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    nice and informative review bro especially photography is excellent!!!

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    Excellent review Kakar bro, am not into too much of technicalities of firearms but I still can see what ever are the mathematical readings but these patterns are very much capable of hitting any flying bird within the adequate range IF shotgunner is not overlooking your last two tips thanks for the tips bro.
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    Very nice and informative.........
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kakar View Post
    Coming to the other questions, I totally agree with you that the patterns are too much blown which should not be the case with modern shotguns. I also did a pattern test of my Beretta A400 with similar results (will post the results today). As you said, the only culprit I can think of is the Shaheen cartridge.
    Have not tried any other brand ammo. Will do that in the coming days.
    Bro, I could be wrong but my guestimation says that you need ammo with better gas sealing inside the bore. shaheen with old style under bored shotcup with attached plastic gas seal is just not good enough for an over bored barrel. whats happening is that the shotcup is separating too early (because the gas seal is not properly keeping the shotcup behind the shot column) inside the barrel and the shot column is being deformed too early during flight.

    anyways, you really should try a different brand of ammo. one more question: where does the gun balance itself. I hope its not nose heavy like a Baikal MP-153 which in my humble opinion is a major turn-off in an otherwise a very good/reliable/durable shotgun.

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    Excellent Review and Pics.

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    A very professional approach and presentation of a super weapon! Excellent review Kakar Sb, requiring no further questions. Thanks for the wonderful share.


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    Sir jee,

    WAH WALAIAN KOL MASALA BOHAT ZIADA AVAILABLE AEY.

    On top of that they don't bother to travel to famous clay shooting venues to have
    customer feed back about their products.


    Why did Ahmed Sultan prefer to use foriegn brand?.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mian-50 View Post
    Sir jee,

    WAH WALAIAN KOL MASALA BOHAT ZIADA AVAILABLE AEY.

    On top of that they don't bother to travel to famous clay shooting venues to know
    an independant veiw of their product.
    @Mian Sb............Lols!
    Laws that forbid the carrying of arms...disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes...Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage, than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man.

    "Take your time and deliberate, but when the time for action has arrived, stop thinking, and go in. "

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    Sir, excellent review. few questions: which magazine extension are you using and how much did it cost? This gun is made in which country?
    Also there are 2 variants available in 3" and 3-1/2" chamber, what are the differences between these two?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mian-50 View Post
    Sir jee,

    WAH WALAIAN KOL MASALA BOHAT ZIADA AVAILABLE AEY.

    On top of that they don't bother to travel to famous clay shooting venues to have
    customer feed back about their products.


    Why did Ahmed Sultan prefer to use foriegn brand?.
    @mian-50 & AK47.........................lolz

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