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    455 Webley Automatic

    The 455 Webley, semi-rimmed, pistol cartridge was adopted by the British Navy in 1912 for use in the 455 Webley self-loading pistol. The pistol was not entirely satisfactory and was replaced by the end of WWI. The cartridge resembles the 45 ACP, but uses a very blunt-pointed bullet.
    This cartridge has seen very little use in the United states, although a number of Webley pistols in this caliber were sold in military surplus stores after WWII. In performance it is quite similar to the 45 ACP except for a slightly lower velocity. Because of the relatively low velocity, it is not good a field cartridge as the 45 ACP, but at short range would have comparable stopping power.

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    455 Revolver Mk I
    455 Colt


    The 455 Revolver Mk I was adopted by the British army in 1892 to replace 476 Mk III AND THE 455 Enfield Mk I ammunition. Despite the different caliber designation, these two cartridges actually have the same case dimensions. They differ only in bullet diameter, type, and construction. The 476 was a black-powder cartridge and so was the 455 Mk I at its inception. However, in 1894 the propellant was changed to the then new Cordite, and after a few years, it was found the smokeless powder burned more efficiently in a shorter case. Consequently a shorter case was adopted in 1897, and this altered round was designated the 455 Revolver Mk II. This is the present 455 Webley familiar to American shooters. It has a case 0.11-inch to 0.14-inch shorter than the original round.
    The 455 Colt is nothing more than the Colt commercial designation of the 455 Revolver Mk I in a somewhat improved loading. It is listed in various publications and was loaded by American companies under this name, but was discontinued in the late 1930s. It is not a Colt designed cartridge, but does have different ballistics than the British Mk I. Later, the new cartridge dimensions were adopted and this round called the 455 Colt Mk II.
    The 455 Mk I, 455 Mk II, 455 Colt and the original 476 Revolver are all interchangeable and can be fired in early British service arms. The 450 Revolver cartridge can also be fired in 455 revolvers. However, the 455 Webley is the only one commercially loaded. Use the same bullet and 455 Webley loading data for any of the 455 cartridges listed here. Power and performance are the same.

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    455 Revolver Mk II
    455 Webley Revolver, Mk II


    British military revolver cartridge adopted in 1897 and designated the 455 Revolver Mk II. It is a modification of an earlier round originally designed for black powder (455 Revolver Mk I). Modern revolvers will chamber and fire either the old or new cartridge. The 455 Webley was used officially in both WWI and WWII, although it was partly replaced by the 380/200 (38 S&W) adopted in the mid-1930s. In addition to the Webley revolver, both Colt and Smith & Wesson chambered arms for this cartridge. Ammunition was loaded by American companies up to about 1940.
    The 455 Webley Revolver cartridge was never very popular or widely used in United States because standard American sporting and military arms in 45 ACP caliber were more easily obtainable. However, after WWII many obsolete 455 arms were sold at low prices, and this has changed the situation somewhat. It is better known and more widely used than previously, but most 455 revolvers have been altered to shoot the 45 ACP, using clips or the rimmed 45 Auto-Rim. The 455 Revolver is not a very satisfactory field cartridge because of the low velocity and curved trajectory. On the other hand, it has excellent short-range stopping power,being on a par, or perhaps slightly better,than the 45 ACP. It can be improved by hand loading and the use of semi-wadcutter hunting-type bullets.

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    50 Action Express ( 50 AE )

    This cartridge is another development by Evan H. Whildin, Vice President of Action Arms. It was developed during during 1988 as part of a program to upgrade the performance of the semi-auto pistol through new cartridge design. The 50 AE has the same rim diameter, case length and overall length as the 44 Magnum. However, the base diameter is .547-inch- so like the 41 AE the 50 AE has a rebated rim. Again, the reason is so that the cartridge can be chambered in the Desert Eagle pistol without making any changes in the basic design. The pistol is already chambered for the 44 Magnum, and by retaining the same rim diameter, the change in caliber to the 50 AE will require only a new barrel. The rebated rim on the Whildin-developed cartridges is a very practical approach.
    The 50 AE uses a .510-inch diameter bullet weighing 300 grains. Muzzle velocity from a 10-inch pressure barrel registered from 1565 fps to 1632 fps. Because the Desert Eagle is available with a 10-inh barrel, this is pretty close to the ballistics one could expect from the production model. A 300-grain bullet at 1632 fps would develop 1792 fpe of energy, which would make the 50 AE not only the world’s most powerful auto-pistol cartridge, but also right up there as anoe of six or eight most powerful handgun cartridges available for a repeating handgun. It would be an excellent field cartridge for deer-size animals or as a backup when hunting dangerous game.

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    454 Casull

    The 454 Casull yet another old-timer that has been around for a number of years. Originally called the 454 Magnum Revolver, it was developed by Dick Casull and Jack Fullmer of Salt Lake City, Uttah about 1957. The first public announcement was made by P.O. Ackley in the November, 1959 issue of Guns & Ammo magazine. Solid-head 45 Colt cases and duples and triplex loads were used in the original loading. Specially-altered Colt and Ruger single-action revolvers were used in the initial development. Currently, the 454 Casull employs a simple heavy case that is a 0.10-inch longer than the standard 45 Colt, to prevent it from chambering in 45 Colt revolvers, and heavy charges of 296 or H-110 propellant. The new revolver is a five-shot single-action designed by Dick Casull and manufactured by Freedom arms Co. The revolver is made of stainless steel throughout, has a 71/2-inch barrel and weighs 50 ounces. Ammunition is is loaded and marketed by Freedom Arms Co.
    The 454 Casull is primarily a field and hunting cartridge, although it will probably also find acceptance among metallic silhouette shooters. Freedom Arms loads three bullet weights: a 225-grain HP at 1740 fps; a 260-grain JSP at 1723 fps, and a 300-grain JSP at 1353 fps. These are very impressive handgun ballistics and make the 454 Casull one of the most powerful revolver cartridge available at the time. Anyone who contemplates hunting dangerous game with a handgun should give serious consideration to the 454 Casull and freedom Arms revolver. Also, for those wishing a reduced load, the standard 45 Colt can be fired in the 454 revolver. There has been a modest but persistent call for a 45 Magnum revolver ever since the 44 Magnum was introduced, the 454 certainly provides all that could be desired in that caliber. Whether the demand and sales volume will be sufficient to keep the company in business remains to be seen.

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    2.7mm Kolibri Auto

    The 2.7 Kolibri is the smallest centerfire cartridge of commercial manufacture. It ws used in the equally-small Kolibri semi-auto pistol introduced about 1914. there was also a single shot parlor-type pistol chambered for the round. The Kolibri automatic is of conventional blowback design. The cartridge has been obsolete for many years and is, at present, a collector's item
    Small pistols and miniature cartridges may have some value for indoor target practice, but have no other practical use. The tiny 2.7 Kolibri bullet is of .105-inch to .108-inch diameter and weighs 3 grains. actual ballistics are lacking, but muzzle velocity was probably 650 to 700 fps. 25 ACP develops 73 fp at the muzzle, you can see what a pipsqueak this cartridge is. However, it is by no means a toy. It is claimed that the bullet will penetrate up to 1.5 inches of pine, and that is sufficient to inflict a serious wound at close range. It should be treated with the same respect accorded any firearm. The 2.7 Kolibri could not be considered a humane caliber for hunting anything. However, it might do to despatsh a trapped mouse or eliminate an overly-aggresive cockroach. It is not practical to try and reload these small cartridges.

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    3mm Kolibri

    There is some confusion surrounding the 3mm Kolibri. Some say it is the same as the 2.7mm Kolibri, but physical measurements tend to disprove this. The bullet and case are sufficiently larger in diameter than the 2.7 sound so it is unlikely they would fit the 2.7 chamber. In addition, 3mm rounds invariably have lead bullets, while 2.7mm cartridges use a jacketed projectile. Power and general characteristics would be same as the 2.7, which you can read for additional information.

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    4.25mm Liliput Auto

    Another of the miniature European auto-pistol cartridges, this is one of 17-caliber . The 4.25mm cartridge was used in the Geman-made Liliput pistol introduced in 1920 and this name was attached to it. However, it actually originated in Austria about 1913-14 as the round for the Erika auto pistol and is sometimes reffered to as the 4.25 Erika. Both gun and cartridge have been obsolete for many years
    The 4.25 round is of greater power than the 2.7 or 3mm Kolibri, but that still dosen't mean it is much of a cartridge. With a 12- to 15-grain bullet and around 800 fps velocity it develops 17 fpe, still way below the 25 ACP's 73 fp. It could not be considered effective for serious self-defence or any kind of hunting. Howener, it would kill rats or mice at short range. As with all these miniature cartridges, it is potentially dangerous and could inflict a serious wound at short range. Its principal use would be for indoor target practice. Ammunition is scarce and too expensive to shoot in quantity anyway.

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    5mm Clement Auto

    The 5mm Clement cartridge originated in Spain during 1897 for the obscure Charola-Anitua auto pistol. In 1903, the Belgian-made Clement auto pistol was adopted to the round and this resulted in the change of name. The cartridge is listed in the 1904 and 1934 DWM catalog (No 484) and was loaded until about 1938. It was replaced by the more effective 25 ACP.
    The Clement auto pistol was well made and fairly popular in Europe. The 5mm cartridge is of bottle-necked type and the 36-grain bullet starts out at 1030 fps. Because of the velocity, it develops slightly greater energy than the 25 ACP. However, it is not a more effective cartridge for any purpose. Like the 25 ACP, it is not an entirely satisfactory self-defence number and not humane for hunting anything but rats, mice, sparrows or similar pests. It is now a collector's item and ammunition is far too expensive to shoot.

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    5mm Bergmann

    Cartridge for the obsolete Bergmann No. 2 auto pistol introduced in 1894 and produced commercially from 1896 until about1900. The cartridge is listed in the 1904 DWM catalog (N0. 416A), but not in the 1934 issue. It has been obsolete since around 1930, being replaced by the 6.35mm Browning (25 ACP).
    The 5mm Bergmann has a straight, tapered, rimless case. It is of .20-to .21-inch diameter and was available with a 37-grain lead or 34-grain full-metal cased softpoint bullet. According to White and Munhall, muzzle velocity is just a little under 600 fps. Muzzle energy would be about 30 foot pounds or less than half of the 25 ACP. Obviously not a very potent round. The cartridge has little practical value except for indoor target practice. As originally manufactured, the cartridge had no rim or extractor groove, but after a short time the extractor groove was added. This is another collector's cartridge, much too expensive to shoot.

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    5.5mm Velo Dog Revolver

    Introduced in 1894 for the "Velo Dog" revolver, manufactured by Galand of Paris. Later, a number of Belgian and German Revolvers also chambered the round. The cartridge was loaded in the U.S.by Peters, Remington and Winchester up until about 1940. However, no American company made a gun for it
    The5.5mm Velo Dog is a centerfir 22 of slightly less powerful than the 22 Long Rifle. It bears some resemblance to the 22 Extra Long Manyard centerfire rifle cartridge.c However, it is easy to distinguish them by the head markings and because the 5.5mm has a metal case bullet. The Velo Dog revolver was designed for cyclists to discourage dogs. This must have been a unique period in history when people were considered more important than dogs. The cartridge became obsplete because it is actually no better, if has effective, than the regular 22 Long Rifle.

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    22 Remington Jet

    The 22 Remington Jet, also known as the 22 Center Fire Magnum, was introduced jointly by Remington and Smith & Wesson. The first developed the cartridge, the latter the revolver. The first news of this cartridge "leaked" out in 1959, but production revolvers and ammunition were not available over the counter until into 1961. The S&W Model 53 revolver is the only revolver ever to chamber this cartridge, and it was discontinued in 1971. The 22 CFM grew out of popular wildcat handgun cartridges such as the Harvey 22 Kay-Chuk and other based on the altered 22 Hornet case, plus special hand-altered revolvers. Marlin once offered a rifle for the 22 jet (the Model 62 lever action) and the H&R Topper also offered it for a time. The Thompson/Center Contender is the only handgun currently chambered for the 22 Jet.
    Remington and Smith & Wesson teamed up to develop a new concept in handguns and cartridges. The 22 CMF is strictly a hunting and sporting number intended to provide high velocity and flat trajectory in the field. The M53 will also fire the regular 22 rimfire by use of supplemental steel cartridge chamber inserts and an adjustable firing pin-a handy arrangement. This cartridge has ample performance for any small to medium game at ranges out to 100 yards and beyond, but not many people can shoot a handgun that well.
    when first announced, most gun writers and gun editors went absolutely wild praising the fantastic performance. The velocity of 2460 fps was supposed to be developed in an 8.5-inch barrel. Chronographed tests by various individuals, indicated an actual velocity around 2000 fps in this length barrel. Quite a come down, but it is still a good cartridge. The S&W Model 53 in 22 Jet was discontinued due to problems with the cylinder locking up when firing full powered loads.

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    Masood357 you are disseminating very useful information , can you upgrade it with pictures of weapon or ammunition so that a person like me who lacks technical knowledge can easily co-relate or register, it will further make this thread more informative. Regards

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    @ All Respected Mods

    Attention required for my this thread also to make it sticky as this one is completed and covering all handguns ammo info.
    Hope my humble request will be fulfilled soon.
    Best wishes and profound regards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by masood357 View Post
    @ All Respected Mods

    Attention required for my this thread also to make it sticky as this one is completed and covering all handguns ammo info.
    Hope my humble request will be fulfilled soon.
    Best wishes and profound regards.
    i agree its great thread

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    Quote Originally Posted by 90 two baretta View Post
    i agree its great thread

    A lot of thanks for ranking my thread as GREAT THREAD, I just added my 2 cents knowledge to this thread, thnx once again.

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    Great Effort masood357.
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    great work masood bhai
    is better if you make to share a photo in every post
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    great work masood bhai
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cool Hunter View Post
    great work masood bhai
    is better if you make to share a photo in every post
    +++1. bro pic se thread ko 4 chand lag jaen gy.

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