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    Opinion: Maverick vs Viper Shotguns

    Hi all,

    I am interested in having a 12 gauge (pump action) shotgun basically for protection, hence i was looking at the price grid on the site. As i have read several threads here regarding best shotguns where people have highly recommended Viper shotgun so i was a bit confused on the following two:

    What is the difference between these two??

    2). Viper/Cobra (Turkish) Pump Action
    4). Viper (Turkish)

    Also I would like to know of the one given below, what would be a good buy out of these three??

    3). Maverick/Mossberg (U.S.A) Pump Action
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    The first two are the same thing. The 3rd option is as good if not better than the first two.

    Btw for everyone's general information. Don't go for the Maverick just because of it's made in U.S.A label, what Mossberg does is that they have a factory right next to the border in Mexico and another one on the U.S side of the border. 90 % of manufacturing is done in Mexico by Mexcian labor and the almost finished but disassembled product is moved to the other factory in the U.S which btw is 40 Km's away and assembled there and it earns the Made in U.S.A stamp.

    Not to say it's not a good product because it is decent for a cheap shotgun but the Made in U.S.A is mostly a marketing gimmick.

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    All of the turkish shotguns are made by the same company but marketed under different names. Hastan Escort/ Germinica/ Viper/
    Volcanic. You can get them in either a pump or semi auto.

    If you need a pump then u could consider the Maverick roughly cost about 35-40 in pump made in USA which would good for self defense.
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    Thank you both for the valuable advice.

    @ Abbas, I was literally going after the Made in USA tag for that reason also when i checked it on the site given.. it gave a better look than the turkish ones.
    Secondly like you said that both are the same, whereas the price grid shows a difference in its price. Is it because of a difference in quality? or something else?

    @ Acciprone, this is a bit confusing. How would one ask for a turkish shotgun when it is with different names?
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    I think the Maverick should be 40 K and the Turkish offerings would be around 30-40 K.

    Get the Maverick it's decent enough to have as a first shotgun.

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    Okay!
    Thank you for your time and advice.
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    Gangster,try to find Hatsan Escort Aimguard shotgun.it is availble is Lahore for 26K.after handling this turkish shotgun u will forget the Maverick 88.

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    Balazona is right. And the price difference is also enough to be considered.
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    Btw Balazona did you find your Turkish shotgun ?? As I remember you telling me at the range that new stock was coming in ?

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    PARA couldnt get their stock yet.but this Hatsan Escort Aimguard shotgun is available at National traders in the same plaza where PARA is located.and this shotgun has Chrome lined barrel.fit and finish is superb.

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    Thank you all for your valuable input.
    If its available in Lahore, do i have a chance of finding it in Karachi? I hope so.
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    Btw Hatsan Escort Aimguard shotgun is made in ??
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gangster

    @ Acciprone, this is a bit confusing. How would one ask for a turkish shotgun when it is with different names?

    well not really gangster.. you can give these turkish companies order for about 1000+ shotguns and tell them to stamp them gangster + they will do that for u .. and you can sell the same gun.. in your name.. :) if u do decide to that give me one at cost.
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    Hmmmm thats a really good idea!!
    But Acciprone unfortunately I would not be having enuff time for all this,, so incase you plan to exercise the plan dont forget to get me a piece ;)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Balazona
    Gangster,try to find Hatsan Escort Aimguard shotgun.it is availble is Lahore for 26K.after handling this turkish shotgun u will forget the Maverick 88.
    Balzy Not practicing what u r preaching ????? ;)

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    AoA everybody,

    From purely protection stand point, my order of preference would be:

    1. Mossberg 590A1
    2. Mossberg Persuader
    3. Mossberg Maverick
    3. Daudsons Shooter Pump Action shotgun (a mossberg 590 clone)


    From the list, u can see that I'm basically a Mossberg design fan. there are few things that i believe are best in a mossberg weapon system.

    1. Cartridge Elevator stays folded (out of the way) while loading the gun, a very cruicial advantage while loading the magazine tube during a firefight. same thing also helps in loading the magazine in aimed position.

    2. double cartridge extractors: very dependable, will snatch any struck cartridge out of the chamber. imagine yourself in a hostile situation with an evil cartridge struck in the chamber.

    3. lose tolerances in the action and bolt assembly: ok! i'll admit that it causes the whole gun to rattle but its very important as it increases the reliability of the whole weapon system. it compromises on the accuracy part, but we are talking about a shotgun so accuracy is secondary thing.

    4. Tang safety: perfect for safety-on, safety-off routine. in any hostile situation, this kinda small stuff matters alot.

    5. two+long action bars: absolute must if you want a highly reliable action that minimizes feeding problems. it also minimized short chucking, any pump guy knows what a menace short chucking is and how it plagues the hearts of men (my shakespeare side just woke up). down boy! go back to sleep.

    6. serrated forearm: another absolute must if u want to keep your sweaty grip on the forearm specially when huge amounts of adrenaline is pumping through your veins.

    7. ghost ring sights: they are considered a must for home defense, specially usefull if your into slugs, very important for quick target acquisition, however i dont like them, I'm too used to a bead sight now that my mind gets confused when peeping through the ghost sights. conventional rifle sights will do too.

    8. tactical configuration of the forearm. you will notice that mossberg's forearm extends a bit far out. this aids in fighthing and prevents the gun from being snatched from the owner's hands. however this feature is a huge turn-off in hunting as it kinda fatigues the left arm pretty easily. (i'm assuming the shooter is right handed).

    9. Mossberg's can be tricked out to a degree that you wont even be able to recognize it after installing after-market accessories such as:

    1. butt-stock side saddle (my personal favorite, currently using/installed)
    2. receiver mounted shotshell holder
    3. tactical lights: a must have, my next project
    4. heatshield: Rambo looking but i dont see a point
    5. fiberoptic sight for plain barrels (my personal favorite, currently installed, aids in target acquisition in low light conditions, plus it is freakishly scary on a plain barrel.)
    6. tactical pistol grip with stock: now this is important, my next project ;)

    hope it helps.

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    12 Guage.. where were u 2 weeks back when I was trudging all over the city .. tryin to figure out which shotgun to buy :(
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    @12 gauge
    r those GRS for Mossberg M500 available in market.what is the price?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Balazona
    @12 gauge
    r those GRS for Mossberg M500 available in market.what is the price?
    No Sir! GRS are not available in the Pakistani market, u'll have to order them off the internet, but its quiet easy. opt for the ones which require gun smiths. its quiet easy, just a small solder on the barrel for the front sight and two drills and taps on the receiver for the ghost ring. simple.

    like i said: i personally dont like them, i'm too used to a bead sight, u can order plain barrel fiberoptic bead like i did. no gunsmith required, it just snaps on.


    about prices: its been a while i've been to the market so i'm totally out dated on prices thingy.

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    Dear 12Gauge,whats your experiance regarding sawed-off shotguns?plz share?
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