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    Advise needed on a versatile shotgun

    Salam all, please advise a few budget friendly shotguns available in the imported or the local category but reliable and tested, required for general use HD/SD & also for skeet shooting.
    And also how much are Shaheen cartridges these days ? no 4, 6 & 8
    Will appreciate all the help, good day all.

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    You are looking at 2 different shotguns my friend. A decent O/U for skeet and an imported pump for HD.

    Shaheen prices are always the same. Around 1400 to 1700 per box of 25 depending on shot load. High brass is a bit more expensive than low brass. You can also get em at the outlet since they are always available there as well. But the market price difference is not very much.
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    Yes sir I am, one for skeet and the other for HD, need your humble advise on both in budget friendly category and these shaheen rates you quoted are from which dealer ? I usually go to DAAD.
    Thanks a lot

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    Quote Originally Posted by 9mm View Post
    Yes sir I am, one for skeet and the other for HD, need your humble advise on both in budget friendly category and these shaheen rates you quoted are from which dealer ? I usually go to DAAD.
    Thanks a lot
    All dealers. Since its always available, even at the outlet, rates do not vary much. For skeet on a budget. I am assuming its under 100k. In this case I would advise a turkish over under. I saw one at guns for defence at LS sometime back.

    I skeet with a sxs, but since I rarely ever hit anything my advice doesn't count.

    As for HD. Myj all time dream shotgun is the Winchester Defender 1300 in wood furniture. There is one at Shaikh latif and sons, a few at star armoury. Another few at Ansari arms and still more at DAAD. Daad wali are all over 100k and the others are all under 100k.

    Daad has a frenchi in wooden trim that I have been crushing on. It was 65k . But It has been completely repainted so Deathrow advised me to let it go. Its been there for a few years and no one has bought it.

    In Semi auto, there is the Saiga 12. Its a bit pricer at around 165k or so. But if you can go to peshawar, you might find pieces at around 100-120k at Hasnat Nagri.

    The Vepr 12 is also a great gun. It has a self adjusting piston so no need to switch setting for how and high brass loads ala the Saiga. But since its made with RPK materials on RPK machinery, it is almost as heavy as the RPK machine gun itself.

    However, for strict HD, I prefer only Pumps due to their inherent reliability. If you want NIB, any Hatsun or other brand will set you back by around 45k- 65k or so. They are plain vanilla Turks that don't generally give any issues.
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    AoA all,

    We seldom see a good sporting version of a Turkish O/U and the importers in Afghanistan do not even bother to differentiate between Hunting model and Sporting models. ATA(Turkey) produces some good shotgun (semis & O/Us), although a bit pricier as compared to Kral (hunting) models and lot of previous imports.

    Even few of our newly started clubs like (DHA-Bahawalpur) authorities have also resorted to buy Turkish hunting (Models).Following points must be given priorities in order to get a responsive (Sporting Shotgun,well suitable for Skeet shooting),

    1. Match able Trigger pulls.(Cheap Turkish have harder mismatched Trigger pulls).

    2. Stock Dimensions. (Sporting O/U shotguns have better grip angles,plus there are
    possibilities to modify your comb height and pitch angles.

    3. Middle Ventilated Ribs. A plus for faster swings at faster birds.

    4. Over all balance. Being little heavier,most of Sporting O/Us have better balance
    so they are more responsive in Clay games.

    5. More Variety of Chokes. The combination of chokes provided with sporting versions are
    much suitable for Clay shooting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enigmatic Desires View Post
    All dealers. Since its always available, even at the outlet, rates do not vary much. For skeet on a budget. I am assuming its under 100k. In this case I would advise a turkish over under. I saw one at guns for defence at LS sometime back.

    I skeet with a sxs, but since I rarely ever hit anything my advice doesn't count.

    As for HD. Myj all time dream shotgun is the Winchester Defender 1300 in wood furniture. There is one at Shaikh latif and sons, a few at star armoury. Another few at Ansari arms and still more at DAAD. Daad wali are all over 100k and the others are all under 100k.

    Daad has a frenchi in wooden trim that I have been crushing on. It was 65k . But It has been completely repainted so Deathrow advised me to let it go. Its been there for a few years and no one has bought it.

    In Semi auto, there is the Saiga 12. Its a bit pricer at around 165k or so. But if you can go to peshawar, you might find pieces at around 100-120k at Hasnat Nagri.

    The Vepr 12 is also a great gun. It has a self adjusting piston so no need to switch setting for how and high brass loads ala the Saiga. But since its made with RPK materials on RPK machinery, it is almost as heavy as the RPK machine gun itself.

    However, for strict HD, I prefer only Pumps due to their inherent reliability. If you want NIB, any Hatsun or other brand will set you back by around 45k- 65k or so. They are plain vanilla Turks that don't generally give any issues.
    Well I thought it would be under 80-70K but yes I can stretch till 100K, So Saiga is out the question for now, and cant go to Peshawar too much hassle, I have heard good reviews about vepr 12 & Baikal 153.
    Currently in my family we have Winchester 1200 all wood, beloved to my beloved grandfather & hatson escort semi auto with my father.
    So for Turkish pumps NIB I'm looking at 45-65K and semi auto for skeet under 100k & lastly russian Saiga north of 165K.
    And what about Remington 870 & mossberg 500 or 590 NIB? any ideas and more suggestions in pump ?
    Thank you this is helpful in making up my mind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mian-50 View Post
    AoA all,

    We seldom see a good sporting version of a Turkish O/U and the importers in Afghanistan do not even bother to differentiate between Hunting model and Sporting models. ATA(Turkey) produces some good shotgun (semis & O/Us), although a bit pricier as compared to Kral (hunting) models and lot of previous imports.

    Even few of our newly started clubs like (DHA-Bahawalpur) authorities have also resorted to buy Turkish hunting (Models).Following points must be given priorities in order to get a responsive (Sporting Shotgun,well suitable for Skeet shooting),

    1. Match able Trigger pulls.(Cheap Turkish have harder mismatched Trigger pulls).

    2. Stock Dimensions. (Sporting O/U shotguns have better grip angles,plus there are
    possibilities to modify your comb height and pitch angles.

    3. Middle Ventilated Ribs. A plus for faster swings at faster birds.

    4. Over all balance. Being little heavier,most of Sporting O/Us have better balance
    so they are more responsive in Clay games.

    5. More Variety of Chokes. The combination of chokes provided with sporting versions are
    much suitable for Clay shooting.
    Here in Karachi, the very few O/U I have seen have short barrels and are light. They were turkish. THe dealers have no idea about the guns themselves. They simply call em Turkish ' Do naali" (two barrel)
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    Quote Originally Posted by 9mm View Post
    Well I thought it would be under 80-70K but yes I can stretch till 100K, So Saiga is out the question for now, and cant go to Peshawar too much hassle, I have heard good reviews about vepr 12 & Baikal 153.
    Currently in my family we have Winchester 1200 all wood, beloved to my beloved grandfather & hatson escort semi auto with my father.
    So for Turkish pumps NIB I'm looking at 45-65K and semi auto for skeet under 100k & lastly russian Saiga north of 165K.
    And what about Remington 870 & mossberg 500 or 590 NIB? any ideas and more suggestions in pump ?
    Thank you this is helpful in making up my mind.
    590 I have not seen here. 500 yes. I was going to buy it, but I showed it to a gunsmith first just to be sure. He told me its a local.

    The 500 is the single most heavily cloned product here. Even DSA makes and used to export 500 clones to the US ( $179 DSA Shooter).

    I have seen Ramingtons here But again north of 100k, unless they were so abused that one could not figure out the real thing from the clone.
    Good American pumps are expensive due to their brand name. Most of em however. are in pretty busted condition due to lack of imports. Only NIBs I have seen are Turk shotties.

    The Baikal M-153 was around 165 when fellow member Shazaib (racer) bought it last year. It is a very very good shotgun. At the range I have seen the range master put 10,000s of rounds through his piece. (He used it for skeeting and it swollowed even the very light skeet loads very easily) The newer version is M-155. However many of the M 155 pieces that made it here were bad... like really bad.

    It is primarily a hunting weapon. low capacity (4+1) and very long hunting barrel. Its HD version never made it to pakistan.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Enigmatic Desires View Post
    590 I have not seen here. 500 yes. I was going to buy it, but I showed it to a gunsmith first just to be sure. He told me its a local.

    The 500 is the single most heavily cloned product here. Even DSA makes and used to export 500 clones to the US ( $179 DSA Shooter).

    I have seen Ramingtons here But again north of 100k, unless they were so abused that one could not figure out the real thing from the clone.
    Good American pumps are expensive due to their brand name. Most of em however. are in pretty busted condition due to lack of imports. Only NIBs I have seen are Turk shotties.

    The Baikal M-153 was around 165 when fellow member Shazaib (racer) bought it last year. It is a very very good shotgun. At the range I have seen the range master put 10,000s of rounds through his piece. (He used it for skeeting and it swollowed even the very light skeet loads very easily) The newer version is M-155. However many of the M 155 pieces that made it here were bad... like really bad.

    It is primarily a hunting weapon. low capacity (4+1) and very long hunting barrel. Its HD version never made it to pakistan.
    Would love the HD version of 153 or the actual 153 but for now will stick to Turkish pump as 45-65 seems like a good area to get into 12G

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    Remingtons and mossberg 500 are not available NIB right? I think a limited amount were imported long time ago, don't think much arms will be coming from US anytime soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 9mm View Post
    Remingtons and mossberg 500 are not available NIB right? I think a limited amount were imported long time ago, don't think much arms will be coming from US anytime soon.
    They refurbish em and can call em brand new. Its easy to refurbish a shottie. Polish the wood (in case of wooden furniture) or get fresh polymer furniture and reblue it and viola an NIB shotgun. You may than add 100k to its real price.

    In real life, it has been like a long loong time since any American shotties were imported directly to Pakistan. Embassies are known restock their guards' inventories and the agencies might get fresh ones. Ss they sell their old stocks to a market that quickly refurbishes em.

    If you want one for HD than a plain vanilla Hatsun aimguard is good enough at around 50-sh NIB. ANd lower for used ones.
    However, be careful, the desi Hatsun aimguard and the imported one look very very similar
    Deathrow had the original one and Virus has a local clone. You can figure out the difference only when you juxtapose em closely
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    Quote Originally Posted by Enigmatic Desires View Post
    They refurbish em and can call em brand new. Its easy to refurbish a shottie. Polish the wood (in case of wooden furniture) or get fresh polymer furniture and reblue it and viola an NIB shotgun. You may than add 100k to its real price.

    In real life, it has been like a long loong time since any American shotties were imported directly to Pakistan. Embassies are known restock their guards' inventories and the agencies might get fresh ones. Ss they sell their old stocks to a market that quickly refurbishes em.

    If you want one for HD than a plain vanilla Hatsun aimguard is good enough at around 50-sh NIB. ANd lower for used ones.
    However, be careful, the desi Hatsun aimguard and the imported one look very very similar
    Deathrow had the original one and Virus has a local clone. You can figure out the difference only when you juxtapose em closely
    Because of this very reason I don't want a used one, rather go for new affordable, 50ish sounds almost unreal considering how much prices of pistols have gone up, which dealer's price are you quoting ?
    In the case of clone I think I'll have to take a shottie expert with me when I make the purchase.
    Is the below the same Aimguard you're talking about ?
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    i bought same for 35k from abbass (HM Traders). Its a used one but in good condition and with box and extra grip.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zaheer View Post
    i bought same for 35k from abbass (HM Traders). Its a used one but in good condition and with box and extra grip.
    Nice bro congrats, post pics

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    Quote Originally Posted by 9mm View Post
    Because of this very reason I don't want a used one, rather go for new affordable, 50ish sounds almost unreal considering how much prices of pistols have gone up, which dealer's price are you quoting ?
    In the case of clone I think I'll have to take a shottie expert with me when I make the purchase.
    Is the below the same Aimguard you're talking about ?
    Hanh Hanh bilkul bilkul ^ (Yes yes, definitely definitely) I shot a slug through her. We stalked, hunted aimed and shot a water malon. Jeez, what a mess it made. We had a hard time, finding and eating the pieces.
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    Pistol grip Zaheer bhai?
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    Quote Originally Posted by 9mm View Post
    Salam all, please advise a few budget friendly shotguns available in the imported or the local category but reliable and tested, required for general use HD/SD & also for skeet shooting.
    And also how much are Shaheen cartridges these days ? no 4, 6 & 8
    Will appreciate all the help, good day all.
    For skeet shooting, you need either a double barrel or a semi auto shotgun, Turkish semis retail around 35-45k depending on model, engraving etc. They can be used for skeet/ Trap/ HD. Some semis come with 2 barrels, short barrel for HD, longer for skeet or hunting. But keep in mind that most provinces dont allow hunting using a semi auto shotgun.

    If you opt for over under you may consider Kral, there are two models in Peshawar market at the moment, one is Cara Cara (it is lighter has an aluminum receiver) the other is Tundra (slightly heavier with steel receiver). Both come with spare chokes, retail around 53-55k in Peshawar.

    3rd option is getting a pump action, it can't be used for skeet/ trap
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    Yes bro the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fraz View Post
    For skeet shooting, you need either a double barrel or a semi auto shotgun, Turkish semis retail around 35-45k depending on model, engraving etc. They can be used for skeet/ Trap/ HD. Some semis come with 2 barrels, short barrel for HD, longer for skeet or hunting. But keep in mind that most provinces dont allow hunting using a semi auto shotgun.

    If you opt for over under you may consider Kral, there are two models in Peshawar market at the moment, one is Cara Cara (it is lighter has an aluminum receiver) the other is Tundra (slightly heavier with steel receiver). Both come with spare chokes, retail around 53-55k in Peshawar.

    3rd option is getting a pump action, it can't be used for skeet/ trap
    In Karachi the price of a Hatsun aimguard just surged to 60k for the pump version and 65k for the wooden furniture version of the same gun.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Enigmatic Desires View Post
    Hanh Hanh bilkul bilkul ^ (Yes yes, definitely definitely) I shot a slug through her. We stalked, hunted aimed and shot a water malon. Jeez, what a mess it made. We had a hard time, finding and eating the pieces.
    Sir sir
    I dont think I ever shot a slug before but sounds fun
    Yea its never easy eating the water melon after shooting it.

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