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wild.hunter250
13-03-2012, 12:40 PM
AOA. to all .I think hatsan r good turkash air rifles any member tell me that is these guns available in pakistan??????????????? http://www.hatsan.com.tr/airguns_mod_125.asp

Birdshooter007
13-03-2012, 12:46 PM
Don't know about this specific model, but Hatsan air rifles are occasionally available with some dealers. There is a shop in Islamabad which has one, it's very over-priced.

Khilji
13-03-2012, 12:46 PM
I got 1 with the name of webley & Scott @ 17k from Karachi shooting @900fps well accurate

Naveed_pk
13-03-2012, 12:56 PM
Hatsan airguns are available at Hira Arms Neela gumbad , Lahore . Anyone interested can contact them for further info :)

Regards

Anjum
13-03-2012, 01:16 PM
My question is ............ is it rugged enough to bear our environment…. I mean some of PG members have not a good experience with gamo…….. is it good enough to compete with Diana….

rajapaki
13-03-2012, 01:38 PM
Don't know about this specific model, but Hatsan air rifles are occasionally available with some dealers. There is a shop in Islamabad which has one, it's very over-priced.

He is a big thief.

gunenthusiast
13-03-2012, 02:40 PM
rajapaki bro is right. The gentleman in question is extremely unreliable and greedy

rajapaki
13-03-2012, 02:49 PM
rajapaki bro is right. The gentleman in question is extremely unreliable and greedy

Once I visited this shop and a young man was sitting there, he was quite reasonable and showed whatever I asked him. But the next time an old man I think his father was sitting who was very rude and not cooperative, he was telling the prices more than his son :)

I suggest to visit this shop when this old guy is not sitting :)

Anjum
13-03-2012, 03:07 PM
rajapaki bro is right. The gentleman in question is extremely unreliable and greedy

If he is unreliable and greedy............ than what make sense to call him gentleman

wild.hunter250
13-03-2012, 04:04 PM
can u give me there contact no through my mail .wild.hunter250@gmail.com

Birdshooter007
13-03-2012, 04:19 PM
My question is ............ is it rugged enough to bear our environment…. I mean some of PG members have not a good experience with gamo…….. is it good enough to compete with Diana….
Many users are happy with their Gamo Shadow 1000s. The problem arose with the arrival of Whisper X.

rajapaki
13-03-2012, 04:20 PM
can u give me there contact no through my mail .wild.hunter250@gmail.com

Brother, I don't have his number. If you wish you may visit ISLAMABAD STORE @ Super Market F-6, ISB.

SHIEKH TARIQ UK
13-03-2012, 05:58 PM
I got 1 with the name of webley & Scott @ 17k from Karachi shooting @900fps well accurate
SALAM BAHI.
I just want to ask how do you know it is shooting at 900 fps. In my opinion this AIRGUN you say say WEBLEY AND SCOTT is not capable of such high power. I only say this because I have the genuine webley and scott made in UK longbow and exocet in .22 and they can do 700 fps max. If you bought this airgun from a dealer ask him to check the power in front of you.
SH TARIQ UK.

Birdshooter007
13-03-2012, 09:42 PM
SALAM BAHI.
I just want to ask how do you know it is shooting at 900 fps. In my opinion this AIRGUN you say say WEBLEY AND SCOTT is not capable of such high power. I only say this because I have the genuine webley and scott made in UK longbow and exocet in .22 and they can do 700 fps max. If you bought this airgun from a dealer ask him to check the power in front of you.
SH TARIQ UK.
+1
Diana 350 mag/460mag/54/56TH the top of the line springers by Diana can't achieve 900fps with lead pellets (in .22), how can a 17k "W&S" is what I was thinking.

Khilji
15-03-2012, 06:09 PM
+1
Diana 350 mag/460mag/54/56TH the top of the line springers by Diana can't achieve 900fps with lead pellets (in .22), how can a 17k "W&S" is what I was thinking.
I have chrony and I checked it myself with gamo pro magnum (.22) 15 grain shooting @ 900 fps my rifle is webley @ scott royal again for Diana you are right my 54 Air king is shooting the same pellets @ 850 fps

Birdshooter007
15-03-2012, 10:47 PM
Wow, then that's a MUST BUY gun if anyone locates one, just 17k...900fps with 15gn lead pellets, that's super cool!

raja yasir
15-03-2012, 10:55 PM
speed is important but not every thing thats why i preferred 460 over 350 .

Birdshooter007
15-03-2012, 11:28 PM
Accuracy is King in Air rifle hunting,
In the U.K, people use sub 12fpe air rifles on small sized quarry i.e rabbits, hares, squirrel and woodies, and they are sucessful up to 40yds, or in some cases out to 60 yards.
And the new "Mansooba" by Gamo, air rifles such as Gamo Hunter Extreme at 1700fps with PBAs are totally crap, hardly creat rabbit size groups within 10 yards, eh?

raja yasir
16-03-2012, 12:13 PM
The Hatsan Model 125 is very powerful in .22. Excellent value for money. -Affordable -Very powerful, 800-900 fps in reality.(in .22) - Unfortunately can't match the more expensive rifles from e.g. Diana and Webley in finish and prescision (but consider the price..) - a bit noisy -not the most elegant rifle made, cheap materials.

jog3ee
23-05-2012, 01:39 AM
Anyone selling a hatsan in Karachi??? Im really interested in mod 125. But im open to suggestions (other than gamo) in the range of 22-25K. Has anyone lately seen a good airgun with any dealer here in Karachi??

Khilji
27-05-2012, 01:41 PM
you can get hatsan in this price

Nazim Sahib
27-05-2012, 06:30 PM
I believe i saw a hatsan being sold for 17k in Peshawar.But i instead got my Gamo Shadow

Khan09
27-05-2012, 09:12 PM
@nazim sahib,in which shop did you see it.

Nazim Sahib
27-05-2012, 09:41 PM
It was some shop in Peshawar in Bara Market not a gun store.This shope had alot of camping stuff and about 10 or so imported airguns.

jog3ee
28-05-2012, 12:08 AM
Well I went to Khi gun market the other day and could not find a Hatsan :/ I did come across Retay and Kral and was impressed with their build quality. Made me want Hatsan 125 or preferably 135 even more :/... Can any one help

jog3ee
28-05-2012, 12:14 AM
Nazim Sahb im willing to pay upto 20k if its a hatsan 125 or 135 in 22 cal... can you tell me which shop was it??? and if i may ask, why did you choose a game over a hatsan??

Khan09
28-05-2012, 01:22 PM
ok nazim sahib,i got it,the man in bara shop is our family FRIEND,there are two brothers,they give me discount of 5000rs!!i saw the hatsan but didnt pay attention and not ask the name.the price he quoted for me was 11000rs.

black arrow
28-05-2012, 01:51 PM
Well I went to Khi gun market the other day and could not find a Hatsan :/ I did come across Retay and Kral and was impressed with their build quality. Made me want Hatsan 125 or preferably 135 even more :/... Can any one help
What was price of Retay?

Nazim Sahib
28-05-2012, 01:57 PM
@jog3ee i dont remember which shop it was but i was a bit inexperienced about airguns so i got what i thought would be reliable at the time.And the Gamo shadow i think is a very comfortable airgun i didnt regret the decision at all but will get a Hatsan when i visit that store again.

jog3ee
28-05-2012, 03:14 PM
@Khan09: Sir ji can you inform me, which model did you see there?? I need either a Hatsan 125 or Hatsan 135 (preferred choice). I'll bear the shipping charges if the dealer does not wish to incur them.

@Black arrow: Sir ji the price i got was 30k (a bit over priced in my opinion, should be priced between 22-25k). I'd like some more info on the Retays, have been searching the net but found a limited user info on the gun (which have been positive) but its velocity claims are based on alloy pellets, not lead pellets so when using lead its claimed fps should drop by atleast 200-250 (maybe more). However, i was impressed by the build quality of the gun (troy 100x). Do you have any more info??

Khan09
28-05-2012, 03:25 PM
I think this sunday i might go again and ask him about that,like i said i did not pay attention to it but this time i will ask,i only know that it is a hatsan but not the model.btw i would ot recommend anyone to buy guns from that shop because they are inexperienced and ive seen it many times that visitors come to see the gun and they just cock it and fire it empty just to hear the voice.they "hang their guns and when you buy an airgun,just remember that the airgun is fired many times EMPTY,and this EXTREMLY daages the spring.pleas ponder on this and dont buy things from him if you dont want to waste your money.

i will tell you that,one day i went their,and while i was looking at the guns,a person came,picked up the hatsan,yes the hatsan,cocked it and fired it empty in the shop,i was very much irritated by this,and promised to not buy any gun from that shop.i only want to guide you thats all.

sorry for the long post.

jog3ee
28-05-2012, 03:28 PM
ohhh!! Well sir your post is rather informative! an eye opener. atleast here in KHI the dealers dont let anyone cock their guns and shoot em empty. But you've raised a good point , such guns should be avoided

black arrow
28-05-2012, 03:46 PM
I think this sunday i might go again and ask him about that,like i said i did not pay attention to it but this time i will ask,i only know that it is a hatsan but not the model.btw i would ot recommend anyone to buy guns from that shop because they are inexperienced and ive seen it many times that visitors come to see the gun and they just cock it and fire it empty just to hear the voice.they "hang their guns and when you buy an airgun,just remember that the airgun is fired many times EMPTY,and this EXTREMLY daages the spring.pleas ponder on this and dont buy things from him if you dont want to waste your money.

i will tell you that,one day i went their,and while i was looking at the guns,a person came,picked up the hatsan,yes the hatsan,cocked it and fired it empty in the shop,i was very much irritated by this,and promised to not buy any gun from that shop.i only want to guide you thats all.

sorry for the long post.
I second that- Dealers who cock-empty-fire should be avoided. buy from dealer who strictly condemns empty fire and practices on his own.

@Black arrow: Sir ji the price i got was 30k (a bit over priced in my opinion, should be priced between 22-25k). I'd like some more info on the Retays, have been searching the net but found a limited user info on the gun (which have been positive) but its velocity claims are based on alloy pellets, not lead pellets so when using lead its claimed fps should drop by atleast 200-250 (maybe more). However, i was impressed by the build quality of the gun (troy 100x). Do you have any more info??
I was asking as few months ago I was window shopping there, and saw different new brands, including Retay, SAG (China) (which were new to me), and B3 etc.
Both Retay and SAG price tag was around this figure, which I found over expensive, and I wasnt going to buy anyway, so no bargaining efforts...

Nazim Sahib
28-05-2012, 07:50 PM
I think this sunday i might go again and ask him about that,like i said i did not pay attention to it but this time i will ask,i only know that it is a hatsan but not the model.btw i would ot recommend anyone to buy guns from that shop because they are inexperienced and ive seen it many times that visitors come to see the gun and they just cock it and fire it empty just to hear the voice.they "hang their guns and when you buy an airgun,just remember that the airgun is fired many times EMPTY,and this EXTREMLY daages the spring.pleas ponder on this and dont buy things from him if you dont want to waste your money.

i will tell you that,one day i went their,and while i was looking at the guns,a person came,picked up the hatsan,yes the hatsan,cocked it and fired it empty in the shop,i was very much irritated by this,and promised to not buy any gun from that shop.i only want to guide you thats all.

sorry for the long post.

Thats quite strange.As when i bought my airgun they didnt let me cock it and were very very strict about NOT letting anyone cock the airguns.When i half cocked it to inspect the barrel they stood next to me to make sure i would fully cock the weapon.You MUST be discussing a different store as the one i went to had a very strict policy.

black arrow
28-05-2012, 08:16 PM
Thats quite strange.As when i bought my airgun they didnt let me cock it and were very very strict about NOT letting anyone cock the airguns.When i half cocked it to inspect the barrel they stood next to me to make sure i would fully cock the weapon.You MUST be discussing a different store as the one i went to had a very strict policy.
I might be wrong but I have an idea who he's talking about (sorry dont remember name myself). Maybe this particular dealer doesn't know about air gun safety.

jog3ee
29-05-2012, 12:53 AM
I Arranged to send someone to the peshawar market, he said Sitara Market mein enter hotay he 2 khokhay hain side by side, they had the Hatsan 125 and Retay 135x. But currently they were out of stock :/. The person i sent didnt even bother to inquire about the price and expected availability :s... Any1 from peshawar know about these two Khokha,s ?? :p

Khan09
29-05-2012, 12:13 PM
that's the shop im talking about,in sitatra market @jog3ee

jog3ee
30-05-2012, 01:22 AM
Nazim Sahib! Are these the same dealers you're talking about??

kinguzi
01-06-2012, 07:49 PM
The shop u guys are talking about is HUKUMRAN ELECTRIC & GENERAL STORE in sitara market Karkhano Peshawar.
i have seen nice airguns with them, they had diana, gamo, hatsan and a russian airgun that i cant remember right now.
they didn't have the hatsan 125 sniper though.
i have their contact numbers. can i post em here
???

Khan09
01-06-2012, 08:54 PM
exactly kinguzi,that's the one

jog3ee
01-06-2012, 10:09 PM
@kinguzi Oh please i'll be glad to have their number!! Can you PM me their number??? and the russian airgun must be baikal i assume! are these people reliable? i dont want to end up buying a dry firing airgun from them :/

jog3ee
01-06-2012, 10:20 PM
I hope the mods will not have an issue with you posting their number here! or you can email it to me at jog3ee@hotmail.com

kinguzi
02-06-2012, 04:06 PM
yeah they had a russian airgun, they also had turkish but it wasn't a hatsan.
They have guns in display, but they also have airguns still packed in the box. so you would be better off buying the in box airguns.
In city area i have seen a shop named HAQQANI arms, they also have airguns.
you need to bargain with the karkhano guy alot! and you might get a gud deal.

kinguzi
02-06-2012, 04:10 PM
I hope the mods will not have an issue with you posting their number here! or you can email it to me at jog3ee@hotmail.com

check Your email !!!

kinguzi
02-06-2012, 04:11 PM
exactly kinguzi,that's the one

they've got nice airguns, but u might wanna check out HAQQANI and FAKHREALAM in city !

Khan09
02-06-2012, 04:46 PM
haqqani and fakhar e alam,are good dealers,and by what i recall they had hatsan 125 for around 22k.id prefer them over the bara one

jog3ee
03-06-2012, 04:56 PM
Ok can anyone share the phone numbers of Haqqani and Fakhar e Alam shops??? since i am in Karachi i'll have to do the bargaining and stuff on phone and not in person

jog3ee
03-06-2012, 04:57 PM
BTW Thanx Kinguzi, i got your email :) will call em up tomorrow. BTW do you remember which turkish airgun was it? Two brands other than Hatsan that i've seen in Karachi are Kral and Retay

jog3ee
03-06-2012, 05:31 PM
Just spoke with Khan M. Shinwari, he has Kral and not Hatsan :/

Khan09
03-06-2012, 06:33 PM
just came from the shop,he says he does not have,neither can bring a hatsan.sorry people thats it.

jog3ee
03-06-2012, 07:11 PM
@Khan09 which shop? Haqqani and Fakhar e alam? or the other Bara one?

Nazim Sahib
03-06-2012, 07:54 PM
Sorry people i had been busy.Yes thats the name of the store Huqmuran something.I called them to ask about the an extra spring for my Gamo Shadow and they had it available!Im quite glad :)

jog3ee
03-06-2012, 10:06 PM
So Nazim Sahib do you have contact numbers for Haqqani dealers and Fakhar e alam dealers

kinguzi
04-06-2012, 10:38 PM
People, i just met the guy at fakhr-e-Alam arms! he said he can import hatsan 125sniper or the 135 model on demand !!!
his number: Mazhar Alam 03018880886

Khan09
04-06-2012, 10:43 PM
even asia arms can,but..........

Birdshooter007
04-06-2012, 10:44 PM
People, i just met the guy at fakhr-e-Alam arms! he said he can import hatsan 125sniper or the 135 model on demand !!!
his number: Mazhar Alam 03018880886
Does he have extra piston washers and breech seals for DIANA airguns?

kinguzi
04-06-2012, 10:49 PM
Does he have extra piston washers and breach seals for DIANA airguns?

i think he has, and even if he hasn't there are other stores that have these parts. Fakhr-e-alam arms is the big boy of arms! they are the prime importer of firearms! other arm dealers even HAQQANI calls fakhr-e-alam if he hasn't got a piece!

kinguzi
04-06-2012, 10:54 PM
even asia arms can,but..........
Asia Arms sell Winchester WCC 9mm ammo 65 a piece, and i bought the same ammo from fakhr-e-alam for 50 a piece!, thats one hell of a difference! i wont recomend any arms dealer in the University/town area! i have been to almost every arms dealer in town, city, and Bara market! the most reasonable shops were the ones in the city area !

jog3ee
05-06-2012, 12:18 AM
even asia arms can,but..........
But what Khan09???

jog3ee
05-06-2012, 12:20 AM
People, i just met the guy at fakhr-e-Alam arms! he said he can import hatsan 125sniper or the 135 model on demand !!!
his number: Mazhar Alam 03018880886
I'm very thankful to you Huzaifa :)) I really hope he manages to arrange mod 135

Khan09
05-06-2012, 08:55 AM
Asia arms can also order but there prices are sky high,70k-75k

Khan09
05-06-2012, 09:00 AM
which one would you guys prefer,the mod 135 or the 125 sniper,id prefer the sniper

jog3ee
05-06-2012, 10:08 AM
Both have the same power plant and other essentials like SAS, Quattro, truglo sights etc So the major difference is muzzle break and stocks. I prefer wooden stocks and I have to say the one on 135 is simply GORGEOUS so i'd prefer a 135 but i wont mind getting a 125 at all if the 135 isn't available :)

Khan09
05-06-2012, 11:15 AM
yeah,the 135 is good looking,but it might be a bit heavy.

Birdshooter007
05-06-2012, 11:34 AM
They say Hatsan 125 is around 25fpe, and check this out they also have a 125 discussion but more informative http://www.nzairgunners.com/nzairgunforum/showthread.php?t=4278

Khan09
05-06-2012, 12:20 PM
They say Hatsan 125 is around 25fpe, and check this out they also have a 125 discussion but more informative http://www.nzairgunners.com/nzairgunforum/showthread.php?t=4278

Thanks bro for sharing this.

jog3ee
05-06-2012, 01:10 PM
Thanx bro! im now even more inclined on buying this gorgeous piece

jog3ee
06-06-2012, 04:43 PM
A good piece on the Hatsan 135 !! Note that he refers to UK Webley Patriot (price $340) and a Theoban Eliminator (price over $1100). funny thing is, that the UK Webley Patriot is a product of Hatsan ;) hahaha
http://www.network54.com/Forum/79537/message/1309273278/Hatsan+135+w-SAS+%26amp%3B+Quattro+Trigger-+REVIEW+w-PICS

http://www.pyramydair.com/s/m/Webley_Patriot_Air_Rifle/2584# check out the pics and you'll know its a Hatsan :)

Nazim Sahib
08-06-2012, 10:01 AM
@jog3ee when i bought my airgun they gave me a sticker on the box has the following cell nmbrs.....
Khan Muhammad Shanwari 0345 9037624
Huqmaran 0333 9340425
Hope this helps.

jog3ee
08-06-2012, 11:02 AM
@jog3ee when i bought my airgun they gave me a sticker on the box has the following cell nmbrs.....
Khan Muhammad Shanwari 0345 9037624
Huqmaran 0333 9340425
Hope this helps.
Thank you sir, but i already obtained their number from a fellow PG member, sadly they dont have the Hatsan right now :/ I've tried to pull some strings and a friend's friend has agreed to import a 135 for me! he'll confirm the price and expected date of arrival next week. Its a LONG wait :(

wajahat_q
22-06-2012, 03:18 PM
Dear Kinguzi" can u plz also email me contact no. of hatsan 125 sellers in peshawar? haqqani and fakhrealam i guess.. my email: wajahat@premiergrouppk.com

wajahat_q
22-06-2012, 03:35 PM
Thank you sir, but i already obtained their number from a fellow PG member, sadly they dont have the Hatsan right now :/ I've tried to pull some strings and a friend's friend has agreed to import a 135 for me! he'll confirm the price and expected date of arrival next week. Its a LONG wait :(

can u share the source, who is importing that airgun?

jog3ee
22-06-2012, 07:00 PM
can u share the source, who is importing that airgun?
Im unsure about the fate of my order right now :p will let you all know once it arrives

jog3ee
25-06-2012, 10:55 PM
Ok fellas, I spoke with the guy who was importing a hatsan 135 for me and there's been a hiccup in getting it here :/ his supplier in turkey has refused to ship just 1 piece as they have entered some sort of a contract/deal or whatever according to which he has to import a lot of 50 or more :/... Now he said he'll gather demand from Peshawar, Pindi and Karachi based dealers and if he sees enough demand to meet the minimum he'll pace the order. The airgun will arrive within a week of placing the order. Bummer

jog3ee
26-06-2012, 01:00 PM
i spoke in detail with Hira Arms Lahore. He did not have Mod 135 in stock. He had Mod 125 sniper (33k), Mod 125 TH-OD (22k), MOd 125 TH-MW (23.5K), and Mod 125 TH-CAMO (24K). Prices that he quoted are negotiable (that's what he said). He also said if i transferred the funds online they arrange to send the gun to Karachi or any other city, to the address provided. I also took their account details.

Khan09
26-06-2012, 01:10 PM
I wish he also had a hatsan pcp:(

shahab_kiani
26-06-2012, 01:25 PM
i spoke in detail with Hira Arms Lahore. He did not have Mod 135 in stock. He had Mod 125 sniper (33k), Mod 125 TH-OD (22k), MOd 125 TH-MW (23.5K), and Mod 125 TH-CAMO (24K). Prices that he quoted are negotiable (that's what he said). He also said if i transferred the funds online they arrange to send the gun to Karachi or any other city, to the address provided. I also took their account details.

@jogee I think TH is for right hand shooters..right?

jog3ee
26-06-2012, 01:35 PM
http://e.jang.com.pk/06-25-2012/lahore/page4.asp interesting read Hira Arms ad in Jang newspaper.

jog3ee
26-06-2012, 01:38 PM
Yes 125 TH is for right handed shooters. 125 sniper is ambidextrous.

raja yasir
26-06-2012, 02:27 PM
I wish he also had a hatsan pcp:(

Hatsan pcps are not accurate because they dont have a air regulater.

Birdshooter007
26-06-2012, 02:58 PM
Hatsan pcps are not accurate because they dont have a air regulater.
Thanks for guiding Hatsan PCP fans :clap2:

shahab_kiani
26-06-2012, 06:27 PM
Yes 125 TH is for right handed shooters. 125 sniper is ambidextrous.

Actually there a thousand problems that are getting in my way of getting a airgun I am Left handed shooter :(

shahab_kiani
26-06-2012, 06:45 PM
@Jogee: 33k is like too much why dont you make some negotiations and try to bring him to the range of 20k to 25k :)

jog3ee
26-06-2012, 07:57 PM
Look my friend! I am trying to pull some strings to establish a link with them (yaari dosti or jugaar etc) despite that i personally do not think they'll sell it for anything less than 27-28K (this is just my opinion). In this price its a good buy i guess, since they are providing the whole package i.e. sling, bipod, 3 butt pad spacers and the optima 3-9x40 scope. Although i do not intend to keep the scope for long as GOD willing, by end of July my leapers scope and pellets will be here. So if you are seriously interested in getting a Hatsan, stretch yourself a little i hope we wont regret it :). Also note that this airgun is selling for 260$ in the Us which comes to roughly 25000/-.

Khan09
26-06-2012, 08:02 PM
Look my friend! I am trying to pull some strings to establish a link with them (yaari dosti or jugaar etc) despite that i personally do not think they'll sell it for anything less than 27-28K (this is just my opinion). In this price its a good buy i guess, since they are providing the whole package i.e. sling, bipod, 3 butt pad spacers and the optima 3-9x40 scope. Although i do not intend to keep the scope for long as GOD willing, by end of July my leapers scope and pellets will be here. So if you are seriously interested in getting a Hatsan, stretch yourself a little i hope we wont regret it :). Also note that this airgun is selling for 260$ in the Us which comes to roughly 25000/-.

Are you talking about Hira arms?Are you sure they provide the whole package,did they tell you?

jog3ee
26-06-2012, 08:04 PM
Are you talking about Hira arms?Are you sure they provide the whole package,did they tell you?

Yes ! I gave them a call and they answered all my queries ! details are mentioned in a post above :)

Khan09
26-06-2012, 08:06 PM
Yes ! I gave them a call and they answered all my queries ! details are mentioned in a post above :)

That's an awesome deal if they provide the whole package.

shahab_kiani
26-06-2012, 09:43 PM
Look my friend! I am trying to pull some strings to establish a link with them (yaari dosti or jugaar etc) despite that i personally do not think they'll sell it for anything less than 27-28K (this is just my opinion). In this price its a good buy i guess, since they are providing the whole package i.e. sling, bipod, 3 butt pad spacers and the optima 3-9x40 scope. Although i do not intend to keep the scope for long as GOD willing, by end of July my leapers scope and pellets will be here. So if you are seriously interested in getting a Hatsan, stretch yourself a little i hope we wont regret it :). Also note that this airgun is selling for 260$ in the Us which comes to roughly 25000/-.

You are right brother when i talked to them they also told me about all those accessories Il talk to my family members and discuss the issue as you know discussion is imortant.

jog3ee
26-06-2012, 10:27 PM
Whats the issue to be precise if i may ask?

shahab_kiani
26-06-2012, 10:43 PM
Whats the issue to be precise if i may ask?

Ohh sure why not.. Actually I told my Father that I want to buy this gun so he told me to do a little more reasearch and find dealers having this gun and we will buy in July I did the research work and am quite satisfied with my decision and discussed everything with my Father too and he was also very satisfied on my choice but my decision was to buy the mod 125 but today when I read your posts I talked to him again and told that I changed my mind and now am planning to buy the sniper version he read the specs and said ok you can go for it its a beter option. :)

shahab_kiani
26-06-2012, 10:45 PM
@jogee: Inshallah il be headed to Lahore next month few days left...

shahab_kiani
26-06-2012, 10:47 PM
Just am now thinking that il have to contact my cousins in England and will have to tell to bring pellets for gun.

jog3ee
26-06-2012, 11:24 PM
Great :) No man can advise you better than your father :). I may strike a deal within a day or two. If i manage to squeeze a good price i'll let you know, if you want i'll ask my cousin (or his cousin) to inspect the gun personally and you may pay the dealer via online funds transfer and he may simultaneously arrange the delivery for you.

jog3ee
27-06-2012, 12:06 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UwqU-B61D6c&feature=relmfu Hatsan PCP video review

jog3ee
27-06-2012, 12:31 AM
produced over 55 FPE with 25.4 grain pellets and produced under 1 inch groups at 50 yards, 2 inch group at 100 yards. I do not know much about PCPs but this one produced very impressive results (atleast for me)

jog3ee
27-06-2012, 12:59 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_g3X1JGHrS0 Nigel Allen review on Hatsan PCP. I assume the shots seem quieter due to a 12 FPE restriction in Britain.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGuUoxT90yU another interesting video, the shot string at 40 yards and the last shot at 25 yards are simply AMAZING!

Now Raja Yasir sir! It may not be fitted with an air regulator but i saw videos where they tune and modify their guns and fit one on this gun. However the above results 'without' the air regulator look very impressive to my novice eyes at least :). What is your opinion?

This rifle and this brand is relatively new but MAY have the potential of equaling big air gun brand names in coming years. It may provide a more economical and reliable alternative to the expensive PCPs. Good news is that now we have a sole agent in Lahore (Hira Arms) who has invited for more dealerships across Pakistan (Ad in daily Jang lahore, 25th of June 2012) for Hatsan airguns which could mean that we may see a decent inflow of Hatsan's airguns and PCPs and eventually their parts.

jog3ee
27-06-2012, 01:09 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PbUYoS9RgTo 50 M shooting..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9w5kTs2O7cE tuning and installation of an air regulator

raja yasir
27-06-2012, 01:13 AM
produced over 55 FPE with 25.4 grain pellets and produced under 1 inch groups at 50 yards, 2 inch group at 100 yards. I do not know much about PCPs but this one produced very impressive results (atleast for me)
if you notice the gun is in .25 and heavier pellets at high speed should perform better specially at long distance .problem is the availability of .25 pellets and also they are a expensive then .22 ,and dont be happy until you ask the price of hatsan pcp with pump in Pakistan after they arrive.

jog3ee
27-06-2012, 01:23 AM
Oh yes sir, Rick Eutsler used 0.25 cal, the other brazillian guy used 0.22 cal. Do check the bug shot at 25 yards! That one completely blew me away :D.. And since most of its airguns are fairly priced e.g. Mod 125th sells for 200$ here its available for 22k, Mod 125 TH camo sells for 230$ here its for 24K (both were quoted prices and negotiable) and Mod 125 sniper sells between 260$ and 300$ i'll quote its price once i finally make the purchase :). So you see they are almost evenly priced. Now this PCP sells for 560$ roughly, so IF the gun is priced even at 60k here i dont think that'll be a bad price! what do you think?

jog3ee
27-06-2012, 01:27 AM
by the way i need your opinion. I've ordered Crossman premiers, Crossman premier hollow points (both 14.5 or 14.3 grain) and JSB diabolo exact (16 grain). Will they do reasonably well in the mod 125 in 0.22? This gun averages 920-940 fps with 14.3 grain pellets. In your opinion, will they maintain enough energy for distance shooting (50 yards and above) ???

raja yasir
27-06-2012, 01:34 AM
by the way i need your opinion. I've ordered Crossman premiers, Crossman premier hollow points (both 14.5 or 14.3 grain) and JSB diabolo exact (16 grain). Will they do reasonably well in the mod 125 in 0.22? This gun averages 920-940 fps with 14.3 grain pellets. In your opinion, will they maintain enough energy for distance shooting (50 yards and above) ???
cancel the jsb diablo exact cause i got those and they are very good for pcps but very bad in spring airguns order rws or h&n beracuda .by the way 60k for hatsan pcp and 40k for the pump makes 100k with out scope.

Birdshooter007
27-06-2012, 01:34 AM
,and dont be happy until you ask the price of hatsan pcp with pump in Pakistan after they arrive.
Eh gal kiti ay... :clap2: Also add "lets wait till it arrives"

jog3ee
27-06-2012, 01:38 AM
cancel the jsb diablo exact cause i got those and they are very good for pcps but very bad in spring airguns order rws or h&n beracuda .by the way 60k for hatsan pcp and 40k for the pump makes 100k with out scope.

Thank you :) i'll tell my cousin to hold/update the order. didn't have a word with him today, i hope he hasn't ordered already...

jog3ee
27-06-2012, 01:39 AM
Eh gal kiti ay... :clap2: Also add "lets wait till it arrives"

You're right, cant say for sure till they actually hit the market.

Turumti
27-06-2012, 02:52 AM
Jogee Jee,

Please do invite me to be witness when you take those 50 yard plus shots. I would also like to learn how to master the art of shooting beyond 50 yards on a regular basis. And for pellet weight, as long as you stick to the midweight pellets you'll be a happy man. Hevay pellets like the Barracuda Match are good only for magnum springers or PCPs. In mid-power springers than can cause early spring demise if used too often.

For whatever three decades of experience are worth, I would strongly advise you to use whichever pellets give the best group at ten yards and twenty five yards. If you want to get the maximum mileage out of your money, do some research and order just one brand (shape, weight) and stick to that. And forget using a scope, until you can shoot well enough with open sights to hit one rupee coins at ten yards, without using a rest of any sort.

shahab_kiani
27-06-2012, 03:41 AM
Great :) No man can advise you better than your father :). I may strike a deal within a day or two. If i manage to squeeze a good price i'll let you know, if you want i'll ask my cousin (or his cousin) to inspect the gun personally and you may pay the dealer via online funds transfer and he may simultaneously arrange the delivery for you.

@jogee brother i am extremely thankful to you that you made me such a nice offer but whether I buy the gun or not i still have to go there so il my self buy it when i go there Il be very thankfull to you if you kindly talk to him and bring its price at least at 27k or below :). But above it would be too much dont you think?

shahab_kiani
27-06-2012, 03:52 AM
@jogee give me your email id

jog3ee
27-06-2012, 10:29 AM
@ Turumti - Ustaad Jee :) I wont scope it till i send at least 200-300 pellets through it. For the 50 yard shots, i'll happily bring the rewards to you (fat juicy pigeons) to be fed to the birds :D once the airgun arrives. That however will be achievable once i scope it. These pellets i chose because they (and Jsb exact heavies at 18.13 grains) tend to do better in the hatsan 125 based on what i read, the exact heavies were out of stock from where i ordered. So far I haven't been able to contact my cousin, i hope he hasn't placed the order already (although he's lazy but who knows :p).

@ shahab_kiani - jog3ee@hotmail.com

wajahat_q
27-06-2012, 03:42 PM
any review about model torpedo 150???? which one is better 125 or 150?

jog3ee
27-06-2012, 07:36 PM
Ok folks, had a detailed discussion with Mr. Nafees, a nice gentleman who happened to be polite enough to answer all my queries. I tried pulling all contacts and did manage to find an acquaintance who knew him and after much negotiations finally settled the deal for 33k. His import cost is 295$ (which i verified from my guy who was importing the hatsan mod 135 for me and quoted a rate of 285$ for mod 135) which makes about 28.25k and then shipping and handling charges etc. He imported some 100 pieces most of which he has sold and is left with 15-20 pieces. He said he is sending 10 airguns to a dealer in Karachi as well. Anyways, i'll pay him through online bank transfer in the morning and my friend and mentor "Mr. Turumti" is being kind enough to pick it for me as he left for Lahore this evening. i shall have it on hand by Sunday, upon his return that is...

@wajahat_q you'll find reviews on the torpedo 150 but i dont think its available right now in Pakistan

jog3ee
28-06-2012, 11:15 PM
Payment made, the gun has been picked up from the store. I eagerly await its arrival now.

Khan09
28-06-2012, 11:25 PM
Payment made, the gun has been picked up from the store. I eagerly await its arrival now.

Jog3ee bro if the bt65's come and we buy them they wont be much of a use because it's high powered and light pellets like the gamo 15 grains pellets would be inaccurate,the ideal pellets would be jsb 18 grain pellets.What im trying to say is that it's no use getting such a gun which would be expensive and inaccurate.:/

jog3ee
28-06-2012, 11:36 PM
there's a way to overcome this issue, the more experienced PCP users may provide a better input on this, its just my theory that if we do not fill the air cylinder to the max, and keep it to around 70% capacity it should give better results with a 15 grain pellet in 0.22 cal. Or , another option would be to fit in an air regulator, that will tame the gun and provide more consistent results. A friend of mine is considering one of hatsan's PCPs, although it'll take some time for him to get his hands on one. IF he gets it i'll post results infact he's a fellow PG member as well, he'll gladly post a detailed report :). Do check those several links i posted to the PCP air rifle thread.

jog3ee
28-06-2012, 11:40 PM
The accessories i got with the gun:-
A 3-9x44e scope Red illuminated reticle, aluminum frame scope. Came with scope mounts
A Hatsan sling
A bipod
3 stock spacers to adjust the length of pull
and the of course the Airgun itself :p

Birdshooter007
29-06-2012, 12:47 AM
there's a way to overcome this issue, the more experienced PCP users may provide a better input on this, its just my theory that if we do not fill the air cylinder to the max, and keep it to around 70% capacity it should give better results with a 15 grain pellet in 0.22 cal. Or , another option would be to fit in an air regulator, that will tame the gun and provide more consistent results. A friend of mine is considering one of hatsan's PCPs, although it'll take some time for him to get his hands on one. IF he gets it i'll post results infact he's a fellow PG member as well, he'll gladly post a detailed report :). Do check those several links i posted to the PCP air rifle thread.
Filling to max capacity would merely give you lesser shots/fill. And getting an air regulator?? Where....plz tell.

Also how powerful is the gun? Ft/lbs? 21gn H&N Baracudas or Skenco UltraMag 26gn would be nice if not the Eun Jins.

Khan09
29-06-2012, 10:07 AM
http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.291740717545767.77481.141363392583501&type=1&comment_id=3555987&offset=0&total_comments=9

Check the comments.

Birdshooter007
29-06-2012, 10:19 AM
Filling to max capacity would merely give you lesser shots/fill. And getting an air regulator?? Where....plz tell.

@Khan09

Filling in to 150 bar lets say e.g in the S10 where the max is 230 bar, and minimum working pressure is 90 - you will get approx half the shots than filling it full.
That's what the air regulator does, it makes the gun more accurate by providing fairly consistent shots (and thus power remains similar throughout)

As raja yasir already said, Hatsan PCPs don't have an air regulator. This means filling the bottle to lesser extent would just give you lesser power.

jog3ee
29-06-2012, 10:34 AM
Filling to max capacity would merely give you lesser shots/fill. And getting an air regulator?? Where....plz tell.

Also how powerful is the gun? Ft/lbs? 21gn H&N Baracudas or Skenco UltraMag 26gn would be nice if not the Eun Jins.

I totally agree that filling to 70% of max capacity will give lesser shots/fill and i reckon if Raja sahb can arrange to make adapters on order, then given the schematics an air regulator can also be made but i'm not sure on that. One will have to do a lot of research on design and material type for making one. I dont know if people are already making them for sale. As far as i have read air regulators need to be serviced often. Also not every PCP is fitted with a regulator and they happen to be accurate. Regulator as far as i understand, just evens out air pressure for consistent velocities. Since a PCP doesn't face recoil issues like a spring piston gun, the initial 20-30 shots should be considerably consistent. Accuracy may be compromised when the velocity drops by say ummm 100-150 fps or may be more right?

As for the velocities of the gun under question, if i remember correctly the initial 10-15 shots were between 55-60 fpe from a 0.25 cal BT65. I posted some video links on the Diana PCP thread. One video also showed how to fir an air pressure regulator and shooting difference before and after installing it.

@Khan09, cant access facebook from work :p will check once im home

jog3ee
29-06-2012, 11:50 AM
This one for you Khan09 bro! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3kKS8lVrFU&feature=related This chap is using 15.9 grain JSB exacts in his 0.22 hatsan.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PbUYoS9RgTo&feature=related and this guy is also using JSB exacts at 50 M

Khan09
29-06-2012, 12:04 PM
This one for you Khan09 bro! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3kKS8lVrFU&feature=related This chap is using



15.9 grain JSB exacts in his 0.22 hatsan.





https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PbUYoS9RgTo&feature=related and this guy is also using JSB exacts at 50 M

Pretty impressive,im quite satisfied,thanks for sharing the link bro.:)

Birdshooter007
29-06-2012, 12:11 PM
If the velocity is not consistent, groups aren't good. Secondly, if you're shooting at long ranges or hunting, you need to know the drop. And if the velocity keeps falling, I don't think you'll be able to bag any critter or have an exceptional target as you won't even know how much holdover to keep.
Secondly I reckon you won't find it comfortable to recharge a 200cc or greater bottle every 10 shots specially when in-field.

raja yasir
29-06-2012, 12:27 PM
Pretty impressive,im quite satisfied,thanks for sharing the link bro.:)
bro Jog3ee up till 30 yards you can not test a good pcp as my tuned 35 and 56 is giving better results then this video at 33 yard even the last 350 mag i tested was doing very good at 33 yards ,for a pcps accuracy my standard is at least 60 yard.

Birdshooter007
29-06-2012, 12:30 PM
bro Jog3ee up till 30 yards you can not test a good pcp as my tuned 35 and 56 is giving better results then this video at 33 yard even the last 350 mag i tested was doing very good at 33 yards ,for a pcps accuracy my standard is at least 60 yard.
And Hatsan PCPs aren't even available here, nor do I foresee them being available here anytime soon.

raja yasir
29-06-2012, 12:33 PM
yesterday i shoot 10 pellets from ch bro bsa s10 at 90 yard and the result was 8/10 bulls-eye even though the scope was zeroed by ch bro.

jog3ee
29-06-2012, 12:53 PM
Hatsan PCPs and accessories (pumps etc) are to imported by their sole agent in lahore , Hira arms, within 2 months based on what the owner claimed. He imported 1 bt65 which he claims to have sold for 75k. So in coming times availability may not be an issue. About the performance, I cant say much. Only one who actually uses one can tell better.

At 30 yards i agree even good springers tend to do pretty well, and a PCP's true colors shine at or beyond 50 yards.

By the a question for more experienced PCP shooters, are the benjamin maurauder/discovery fitted with an air pressure regulator? And how do you know if one has it? most PCP details i saw on Pyramydair dont specify if a PCP is fitted with an air regulator!

Birdshooter007
29-06-2012, 01:02 PM
Yes I know well that Hira Arms is the sole importer of Hatsan in Pakistan. My advise would be never believe what dealers say.

raja yasir
29-06-2012, 01:04 PM
Hatsan PCPs and accessories (pumps etc) are to imported by their sole agent in lahore , Hira arms, within 2 months based on what the owner claimed. He imported 1 bt65 which he claims to have sold for 75k. So in coming times availability may not be an issue. About the performance, I cant say much. Only one who actually uses one can tell better.

At 30 yards i agree even good springers tend to do pretty well, and a PCP's true colors shine at or beyond 50 yards.

By the a question for more experienced PCP shooters, are the benjamin maurauder/discovery fitted with an air pressure regulator? And how do you know if one has it? most PCP details i saw on Pyramydair dont specify if a PCP is fitted with an air regulator!
I have noticed it as well that it is not written in specs about regulator but you can find out by searching the net .Bt 65 uses 200 pressure so it must have a very long barrel to obtain the velocities that they claim.

Khan09
29-06-2012, 01:14 PM
I have noticed it as well that it is not written in specs about regulator but you can find out by searching the net .Bt 65 uses 200 pressure so it must have a very long barrel to obtain the velocities that they claim.

Barrel Length: 22.8"

jog3ee
01-07-2012, 07:21 PM
Ok folks the gun has arrived (Thanx to my mentor and friend "Turumti") and I am IMPRESSED by the results. Out of the box it shot VERY accurately without a single bit of adjustment to the installed open sights. It is VERY powerful and has a consideraable bit of recoil. The cocking requires a bit of effort initially i reckon it is very hard for an average person (I am 6,3' and 92 kgs) and still it gave me a workout. So this not NOT a gun for kids, it is also on the heavier side with a significant bit of recoil.

The included sling is a blessing. The bipod is ummm well average and i do not think i will use it a lot. The included scope is pretty impressive i must say. It will however reveal its true colors once mounted but the construction looks solid, it has illuminated red reticle with different adjustments for brightness, included two spare batteries, optics are pretty clear, and it has adjustable focus at the eye piece. It came with a sturdy scope stop, the provided rings are OK but i'd prefer rings with 2 screws on each side. The gun shoulders well, the trigger is to my liking, crisp and clean release and it can further be adjusted although i do not intend to play around with it any time soon. For now i'll just shoot it without any major adjustments (stock spacers, trigger etc), those will come along as i continue to shoot this BEAST. Will mount the scope once i put a whole tin of pro magnums through it. At 10 yards, the Gamo pro magnums shot well.

Ammo used: Gamo Pro Magnum 0.22 cal. Shots taken using artillery hold.

shahab_kiani
01-07-2012, 07:40 PM
Ok folks the gun has arrived (Thanx to my mentor and friend "Turumti") and I am IMPRESSED by the results. Out of the box it shot VERY accurately without a single bit of adjustment to the installed open sights. It is VERY powerful and has a consideraable bit of recoil. The cocking requires a bit of effort initially i reckon it is very hard for an average person (I am 6,3' and 92 kgs) and still it gave me a workout. So this not NOT a gun for kids, it is also on the heavier side with a significant bit of recoil.

The included sling is a blessing. The bipod is ummm well average and i do not think i will use it a lot. The included scope is pretty impressive i must say. It will however reveal its true colors once mounted but the construction looks solid, it has illuminated red reticle with different adjustments for brightness, included two spare batteries, optics are pretty clear, and it has adjustable focus at the eye piece. It came with a sturdy scope stop, the provided rings are OK but i'd prefer rings with 2 screws on each side. The gun shoulders well, the trigger is to my liking, crisp and clean release and it can further be adjusted although i do not intend to play around with it any time soon. For now i'll just shoot it without any major adjustments (stock spacers, trigger etc), those will come along as i continue to shoot this BEAST. Will mount the scope once i put a whole tin of pro magnums through it. At 10 yards, the Gamo pro magnums shot well.

Ammo used: Gamo Pro Magnum 0.22 cal. Shots taken using artillery hold.


@Jogee: Bro make a new thread put pictures of the gun too.. Desperately waiting for you to make a new thread and put pictures of the gun..

Trigger_happy78
01-07-2012, 08:23 PM
Nice gun, good shooting. Can you tell me if this gun is able to effectively kill a waterfowl e.g pintail. What is the the effective range for that kind of a bird and whats the price of this gun? Is the mentioned scope included in the package?

jog3ee
01-07-2012, 09:35 PM
Nice gun, good shooting. Can you tell me if this gun is able to effectively kill a waterfowl e.g pintail. What is the the effective range for that kind of a bird and whats the price of this gun? Is the mentioned scope included in the package?

Than you , but the gun has done more than myself, it has surpassed my expectations :). It is very much capable of downing a small/medium sized wild boar under 20 yards with careful shot placement. Based on several chrony results i saw on different forums and in different videos, this gun shoots 15.9 grain JSB pellets at at average 905 +/- 10 feet per second, that is almost 29 foot pounds of energy at the muzzle.

For birds, with the scope in place the effective range should be 50-60 yards with heavier pellets (at-least 15.9 grain or 18 grain which unfortunately aren't readily available here). I have posted above the whole package details and price :). To my surprise the Gamo pro magnum did well (at 10 yards). If it maintains such results on 20-25 yards, i'll probably use em more often.

Khan09
01-07-2012, 10:06 PM
Congratulations on your Dream gun, i guess:clap2:.Would you mind poting some Eye Candy of the package.

Trigger_happy78
01-07-2012, 10:21 PM
Than you , but the gun has done more than myself, it has surpassed my expectations :). It is very much capable of downing a small/medium sized wild boar under 20 yards with careful shot placement. Based on several chrony results i saw on different forums and in different videos, this gun shoots 15.9 grain JSB pellets at at average 905 +/- 10 feet per second, that is almost 29 foot pounds of energy at the muzzle.

For birds, with the scope in place the effective range should be 50-60 yards with heavier pellets (at-least 15.9 grain or 18 grain which unfortunately aren't readily available here). I have posted above the whole package details and price :). To my surprise the Gamo pro magnum did well (at 10 yards). If it maintains such results on 20-25 yards, i'll probably use em more often.

Where i can't see the price of the gun but you did mention the package..

jog3ee
01-07-2012, 10:29 PM
Where i can't see the price of the gun but you did mention the package..
I think i have! anyways, i got the whole package for 33k

@Khan09, thank you brother :) will post em soooon

junaid ali
01-07-2012, 10:43 PM
congrats on the beauty

raja yasir
01-07-2012, 11:10 PM
congrats for the new airgun according to most reviews the scope wont last long and the bipod is not of any use but other wise heard some good stuff about it good luck

jog3ee
01-07-2012, 11:17 PM
congrats for the new airgun according to most reviews the scope wont last long and the bipod is not of any use but other wise heard some good stuff about it good luck
Thank you :) I agree, bi-pod needs a stronger spring so as to clamp properly on the barrel. i've read similar reviews but those reviews mostly are for the 3-9x32 scope. This one is 3-9x44E. However, i cant say if it will last long or not i do not intend to scope it until i send at least 250-300 pellets through it. I took some picture with all the accessories mounted, will post in a bit.

ahsanfarooq
01-07-2012, 11:37 PM
Asalam-o-alaikum raja g kese hain ap.

jog3ee
01-07-2012, 11:42 PM
Here are the pix :)

jog3ee
02-07-2012, 12:26 AM
Nice gun, good shooting. Can you tell me if this gun is able to effectively kill a waterfowl e.g pintail. What is the the effective range for that kind of a bird and whats the price of this gun? Is the mentioned scope included in the package?
FYI http://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php/topic,29182.0.html though the gun used was a 0.25 cal

raja yasir
02-07-2012, 12:48 AM
Asalam-o-alaikum raja g kese hain ap.
W-A-Asalam i am fine bro and welcome to pak guns

wajahat_q
02-07-2012, 04:08 PM
congrat.... I also got my hatsan 125th in wood pattern. very robust gun. it vibrates madly. i m looking for scope. "jog3ee" plz do share ur experience when u get it zeroed. thx

asimazan
02-07-2012, 04:20 PM
wow another beauty

jog3ee
02-07-2012, 08:04 PM
Bought another tin of Gamo pro magnums (Rs 420) and 1 tin of H&N Wadcutters (Rs 500, 200 pellets) today. Also bought a 52" long and 13" high padded gun cover and guess what! It didn't fit :p I put the provided stock spacers in place and it increased the gun's length by approx 1.5". If i pull em out it will fit in the bag but I guess i'll have to order one as I am pretty comfortable with that length.

The H&N wadcutters are surely lighter than the Gamos as they caused the rifle to diesel and about 3 shots produced a crack louder than normal. Also they didnt fit so tightly as the Gamos did, some were pretty lose. I shot about 30-35 H&N pellets and the results were good but Gamos were better. Also, the dieseling worried me a little so i may not use them often. Due to bad light i called it a day but the results are still impressive.

I do not intend to scope this gun any time soon. Its giving good results without it at shorter distances.

jog3ee
02-07-2012, 08:12 PM
@ wajahat_q , bro i did not adjust the fiber optic sights for a single click. I'm shooting it as it came from factory. The MW finish looks great :) many congrats on the purchase. Did your package include an extra scope stop? Use the pix I've posted for reference on how to mount the scope with that extra scope stop. I will strongly suggest that you do not rush it, let the gun settle down. Choose a pellet that it likes, fire atleast 200 shots through it and then scope it. It'll be tamer by that time. If you rush it, it may damage your scope. I saw a Bushnell 3-9x56E scope here in Karachi, he was selling it for 8000/-. I may sell my Optima scope "IF" the Leapers scope that I've ordered arrives. But that'll be in the end of July.

Birdshooter007
02-07-2012, 09:11 PM
Congrats, kindly do post pics including a ruler as to have an idea of the size of groups.

jog3ee
02-07-2012, 09:14 PM
Congrats, kindly do post pics including a ruler as to have an idea of the size of groups.

That square target is on the laminated sheet is 1"x1".

Denovo87
02-07-2012, 09:25 PM
Congrats, kindly do post pics including a ruler as to have an idea of the size of groups.

A ruler wont be a good help if a .22 hole doesnt ;)

jog3ee
02-07-2012, 09:45 PM
Here are the pix with scale!!

Birdshooter007
02-07-2012, 10:11 PM
A ruler wont be a good help if a .22 hole doesnt ;)
What?

@jog3ee
Great groups

Denovo87
02-07-2012, 10:33 PM
What?

@jog3ee
Great groups

Always try using the bullet hole as scale (if you know the caliber of bullet), in this specific case its .22inch or 5.5mm; now try using your math, geometry and CS ;)

Birdshooter007
02-07-2012, 10:45 PM
It's common in the world to have a ruler being kept to see the group size.

jog3ee
02-07-2012, 11:38 PM
@jog3ee
Great groups

Thanx man :)! This rifle shoots very accurately.

jog3ee
02-07-2012, 11:40 PM
Always try using the bullet hole as scale (if you know the caliber of bullet), in this specific case its .22inch or 5.5mm; now try using your math, geometry and CS ;)
Hhhhmmmmm very nice piece of info there sir :) This calculation never crossed my mind, Thank you for posting :)

wajahat_q
03-07-2012, 12:08 AM
thx. jog3ee: u r right, shooting is quite accurate without scope. can anyone share tips for zeroing scope? i m very eager now to test this gun in field, just waiting for hunting season. :) well, gamo mag pro pellets r best for that gun. they penetrate well n r accurate.

jog3ee
03-07-2012, 12:12 AM
@wajahat_q how much did you pay for that gun bro? I was quoted a final price of 23.5K for the 125 TH MW.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLirsAFpsfE for sighting in your scope. Have you bought a scope?

Turumti
03-07-2012, 04:50 AM
Jog3ee,

Quite capable of downing a medium sized wild boar under 20 yards!!! Sir jee, where have you and Hatsan 12 sniper been all my life??? What a fool I was buying all those rifles and shotguns! Ustad jee mainoo vee sikhao!!



Than you , but the gun has done more than myself, it has surpassed my expectations :). It is very much capable of downing a small/medium sized wild boar under 20 yards with careful shot placement. Based on several chrony results i saw on different forums and in different videos, this gun shoots 15.9 grain JSB pellets at at average 905 +/- 10 feet per second, that is almost 29 foot pounds of energy at the muzzle.

For birds, with the scope in place the effective range should be 50-60 yards with heavier pellets (at-least 15.9 grain or 18 grain which unfortunately aren't readily available here). I have posted above the whole package details and price :). To my surprise the Gamo pro magnum did well (at 10 yards). If it maintains such results on 20-25 yards, i'll probably use em more often.

shahab_kiani
03-07-2012, 10:29 AM
@jogee: Brother thanks for posting the pics :)

jog3ee
03-07-2012, 10:57 AM
Jog3ee,

Quite capable of downing a medium sized wild boar under 20 yards!!! Sir jee, where have you and Hatsan 12 sniper been all my life??? What a fool I was buying all those rifles and shotguns! Ustad jee mainoo vee sikhao!!
Hahahahaha Ustaad jee, Jab ye Goray Gamo .177 say maar saktay hain to thora haq to saada vee banta hai na ;) LOLzZz... BTW some PG members HAVE taken down small/med sized boars with air guns! My memory doesn't serve me well but if i recall correctly one of em used 350 magnum and the other used Diana 52 or 54.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OUEwxg32s6Y Benji Marauder 0.25
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ugyO7dcF1n8 Gamo 0.177

jog3ee
03-07-2012, 11:29 AM
I think Chauhdary and Raja Yasir have hunted small/medium sized boars with an air gun either or both of them used Diana 350 magnum.

Khan09
03-07-2012, 11:51 AM
Raja yasir killed two boars i think with his 56th and Chauhdary bro also killed two boars with his 350mag.

Birdshooter007
03-07-2012, 11:59 AM
I think Chauhdary and Raja Yasir have hunted small/medium sized boars with an air gun either or both of them used Diana 350 magnum.
The two I shot were young ones (small) boars

wajahat_q
03-07-2012, 05:36 PM
thx for referencing the website. i went to lhr just to buy that gun, mr.nafees received me courteously n was kind enough to offer me discounted price of Rs.21000/-. i havent bought any scope yet. i wil buy tesco (cheap but solid scope).

shahab_kiani
03-07-2012, 06:54 PM
@Chaudary: Did you put any pics of the hunt

shahab_kiani
03-07-2012, 06:55 PM
My beauty is also here picked it from daewoo cargo today..

Birdshooter007
03-07-2012, 07:04 PM
@Chaudary: Did you put any pics of the hunt
Yes

My beauty is also here picked it from daewoo cargo today..
Congrats

black arrow
03-07-2012, 07:14 PM
My beauty is also here picked it from daewoo cargo today..
Congrats!

Pics please!...

jog3ee
03-07-2012, 07:29 PM
This one is for you Ustaad Jee (Turumti) :) I have huge respect for you and value your comments more than any as your experience far surpasses that of mine. Despite seeing several air gun hunting videos (esp that of feral pigs and boars) and PG members' experience, your comment did make me wonder if I've made any tall claims about the possible performance of this gun (and modern high powered air guns). You know well I'm a humble man (at least that's what I think ;)) and shy away from making claims that aren't practically achievable. So I conducted this test today. I got myself 3 pieces of wood, 3/4 of an Inch thick (0.75 inch) and decided to shoot at least 1 pellet through each to judge its penetration at approx 10 yards. If the pellet goes through, then we can safely assume that this air gun has enough power to cause serious damage at short distance. How the results came out was enough to convince me firmly that this air gun is serious business. I'll in fact be EXTRA careful while operating this gun and this is the same advise i'll give to EVERY ONE who buys this or any variable of this gun. Though we all should be very careful when dealing with air guns but this gun has all the potential to cause SERIOUS injuries and SHOULD be handled with EXTRA CARE.

When i shot the 1st pellet at the wooden piece, it didn't move although i was certain that I didn't miss. Upon inspection i discovered that the pellet went completely through and hit the wall behind it, and made a considerable dent in the wall :p so I decided to place the rest of wooden pieces against that laminated board on which I've been practicing. The images will speak for themselves. Note that I've marked the wood for a reference point for where to aim, I wasn't particular about hitting dead center here :p.

jog3ee
03-07-2012, 07:31 PM
My beauty is also here picked it from daewoo cargo today..

Mubaarkaan shehzaday :) Happy with it??? And Im still concerned about your health ;) Be extra careful when shouldering this beast :p hahahaha

shahab_kiani
03-07-2012, 07:37 PM
Mubaarkaan shehzaday :) Happy with it??? And Im still concerned about your health ;) Be extra careful when shouldering this beast :p hahahaha

Thanks Jogee brother.. Brother not tested it yet but well very satisfied even by watching it well will test it by by using promagnums.. Well I am taking care of my self lets hope for the best..

shahab_kiani
03-07-2012, 07:38 PM
Yes

Congrats

Brother Thank you thank you

shahab_kiani
03-07-2012, 07:39 PM
Congrats!

Pics please!...

Thanks Black arrow Bro will soon put the pics..

shahab_kiani
03-07-2012, 07:39 PM
Mubaarkaan shehzaday :) Happy with it??? And Im still concerned about your health ;) Be extra careful when shouldering this beast :p hahahaha

Are you still using the promagnums

jog3ee
03-07-2012, 07:46 PM
My next task is to find a 1 inch thick piece of Shisham wood and test penetration at approx 15 yards :D

jog3ee
03-07-2012, 07:49 PM
Are you still using the promagnums

Yes, the above results were achieved using Gamo Pro magnum pellets.

shahab_kiani
03-07-2012, 07:53 PM
Yes, the above results were achieved using Gamo Pro magnum pellets.

@jogee: Got the gun but i know that pellets will definately become a great issue for me..

raja yasir
03-07-2012, 07:58 PM
My beauty is also here picked it from daewoo cargo today..
Congrats good luck

Turumti
04-07-2012, 03:32 AM
Jogee33ee Jee,

I conducted a penetration test in front of you that very same day. The pellet from the Hatsan didnt fully penetrate the taped up phone directory, but the subsonic round from my 22LR did, as you witnessed.

It is my sincere advice to you and all other airgun fans here not to get carried away and go around chasing boars with an airgun, at least not a spring-powered 22. A big bore PCP would be a different matter. Remember it always better to have too much gun that too little, and boars sometime tend to charge, and give some memorable love bites too.

Last but not at all the least, always use a gun with enough power and use proper shot placement to optimise the chances of a clean kill. Injuring animals for "fun" and causing them unnecessary suffering is not becoming of anyone aspiring to be a sportsman.

jog3ee
04-07-2012, 10:36 AM
Jogee33ee Jee,

I conducted a penetration test in front of you that very same day. The pellet from the Hatsan didnt fully penetrate the taped up phone directory, but the subsonic round from my 22LR did, as you witnessed.

It is my sincere advice to you and all other airgun fans here not to get carried away and go around chasing boars with an airgun, at least not a spring-powered 22. A big bore PCP would be a different matter. Remember it always better to have too much gun that too little, and boars sometime tend to charge, and give some memorable love bites too.

Last but not at all the least, always use a gun with enough power and use proper shot placement to optimise the chances of a clean kill. Injuring animals for "fun" and causing them unnecessary suffering is not becoming of anyone aspiring to be a sportsman.

I totally agree, the .22LR completely penetrated the phone book but there was 1 big difference! you used an RWS .22 subsonic ammo which generally travels between 1000 and 1080 fps and weighs 40 grains (a whopping 94.25 FPE at muzzle keeping an average velocity of 1030 fps), I used Gamo pro magnum which is approx 15.6 grains and may have traveled roughly around 925 fps (29.65 FPE at muzzle) at best. So the .22LR was >3 times powerful than the air gun :).

However on a personal note, I do not see myself attempting to hunt a wild boar with an airgun (not on my own at least) as i surely wouldn't want one of them "love bites" :p the habitat and game behavior in Sindh does not permit a hunetr that liberty. Things may be different in Islamabad and some areas of Punjab where these pests are often quite indifferent to people and passing by vehicles etc, hence providing a possible opportunity of a carefully placed, successful close ranged shot.

However, I strongly second your point that more likely than not, even a SLIGHT deviation in the shot will result in an injury rather than fatality causing the animal a lot of pain and suffering. It may eventually die but not a clean death.

jog3ee
04-07-2012, 11:07 AM
I am quoting what i consider to be a brilliant piece of writing and a guideline for all sports hunter. Came across it while reading through proper shot placement on hogs:

"The neck shot requires a proper angle and a steady rest, however. It’s still close to the head, so if you’re not stable enough you risk hitting the jaw or nose. The solution is simple. Don’t take the shot.

And that’s the bottom line any time. If you’re not comfortable that you can put the shot right where you want it, then don’t shoot. It’s a discipline that any hunter should master, but far too few have bothered to do so. As a result, you see bad shots taken in haste or out of desperation. Something I absolutely hate to hear from any hunter is, “It was the only shot I had, so I had to take it!”

A sport hunter never has to take a shot… never! The simple fact is that none of us is going to starve if we let the animal get away.


We are not out there because we have to be, we are out there for sport, and it is only ethical and right that we do the best we can to make the death of any game animal as clean and humane as possible "

Birdshooter007
04-07-2012, 11:20 AM
I would not advise anyone outside Islamabad to attempt shooting small boars with airguns... it's possible in Isb because they APPEAR AT POINT BLANK RANGE for me most of the time..... max 10yds (And I'm talking about small boars). And big boars I don't think a meager 25fpe can take down, there's a long debate on the use of .223 for bigger boars, some say you shouldn't use it even though its some 1300fpe.
While on the other hand people regard big bore airguns adherence to all types of big game.. yes people shoot bears, whitetail deer, impala, wildebeest, giant hogs and much more. FACT REMAINS the most popular .357, .45 and .50 cal big bores produce energy of JUST around 200fpe.... less than a .17HMR or .22Mag or .223 even. And these are mainly varmint calibers.

shahab_kiani
04-07-2012, 11:33 AM
Congrats good luck

@Raja Yasir: Thanks brother

jog3ee
04-07-2012, 12:01 PM
.17HMR muzzle energy with a 17 grain bullet and average velocity of 2350 fps delivers 208.52 FPE.
.17HM2 muzzle energy with a 17 grain bullet and average velocity of 2150 fps delivers 175.53 FPE.

.22WMR muzzle energy with a 30 grain bullet and average velocity of 2200 fps delivers 322.49 FPE.
.22WMR muzzle energy with a 40 grain bullet and average velocity of 2000 fps delivers 320.72 FPE.
.22WMR muzzle energy with a 50 grain bullet and average velocity of 1550 fps delivers 266.8 FPE.

And the MOTHER of all the .223Remington muzzle energy with a 55 grain bullet and average velocity of 3240 fps delivers 1282.36 FPE.

jog3ee
04-07-2012, 12:13 PM
In big bore airguns, the .50 cal reach muzzle energies in the range of 210-230 FPE but the powerful shots per fill are limited to 3 max. The .45 cal and .357 cal fall between average muzzle energy ranges of 155 FPE - 180 FPE+/- 5 FPE.

raja yasir
04-07-2012, 01:01 PM
Jog3ee bro ch bro is right in Islamabad we have a lot of boars at close range near our house at night,well i tried the big ones they wont even scream ,the medium ones i got 3/5 and smaller ones i never tried but ch bro got some small ones.Any way tried it with 350 magnum witch was doing 850 fps with gamo magnum pellets and the result was 0/5, 3 big ones and 2 medium ones.Got 1 with p1000 put its dong 900 fps with 21g baracuda pellets.

jog3ee
04-07-2012, 01:22 PM
That's what i said in my earlier post as well :) the terrain, habitat and game behavior in Sindh does not allow one to get in close proximity with the wild boars. Only in the capital city and may be some other areas where the wild boars come in contact with people more often is this achievable.

What did you use on the medium ones to put them down, besides the p1000?

raja yasir
04-07-2012, 01:25 PM
That's what i said in my earlier post as well :) the terrain, habitat and game behavior in Sindh does not allow one to get in close proximity with the wild boars. Only in the capital city and may be some other areas where the wild boars come in contact with people more often is this achievable.

What did you use on the medium ones to put them down, besides the p1000?
i used 21 g baracuda in diana 56.

shahab_kiani
04-07-2012, 02:11 PM
Jog3ee bro ch bro is right in Islamabad we have a lot of boars at close range near our house at night,well i tried the big ones they wont even scream ,the medium ones i got 3/5 and smaller ones i never tried but ch bro got some small ones.Any way tried it with 350 magnum witch was doing 850 fps with gamo magnum pellets and the result was 0/5, 3 big ones and 2 medium ones.Got 1 with p1000 put its dong 900 fps with 21g baracuda pellets.

@Raja Yasir: brother where do you hunt boars in ISB.

asimazan
04-07-2012, 02:18 PM
sir waiting for pics

raja yasir
04-07-2012, 02:41 PM
@Raja Yasir: brother where do you hunt boars in ISB.
mostly in f sectors and e7

jog3ee
04-07-2012, 03:20 PM
@ shahab_kiani ! now why do i smell that you are about to venture on a similar adventure my friend :p If you do have such desire my friend (and believe me, I would be equally tempted) I'd strongly suggest you read all of the above posts carefully, MASTER your art of shooting, get fairly acquainted with your rifle and its abilities, and then decide if you really want to and are capable of, venturing out on such an expedition :) Another piece of advice, you have two experienced PG members within your vicinity to contact and consult i.e. brothers Chauhdary and Raja Yasir; stay in touch with them and allow them to give you a sound bit of advise before you just pick up your gun and go out on a "soowar ka shikar" :p

shahab_kiani
04-07-2012, 06:20 PM
@ shahab_kiani ! now why do i smell that you are about to venture on a similar adventure my friend :p If you do have such desire my friend (and believe me, I would be equally tempted) I'd strongly suggest you read all of the above posts carefully, MASTER your art of shooting, get fairly acquainted with your rifle and its abilities, and then decide if you really want to and are capable of, venturing out on such an expedition :) Another piece of advice, you have two experienced PG members within your vicinity to contact and consult i.e. brothers Chauhdary and Raja Yasir; stay in touch with them and allow them to give you a sound bit of advise before you just pick up your gun and go out on a "soowar ka shikar" :p

ohh khoo bhaii jee I was justing asking if i want to go on boar hunting id deffinately choose my village cause its the best place but hunting boars is not my kind of thing il be making my shots accurate and will than go for rabbit hunting in my village..

shahab_kiani
04-07-2012, 06:21 PM
mostly in f sectors and e7

ok id go check out the places someday in night time.. :)

jog3ee
04-07-2012, 09:18 PM
Waisay how is your experience with the gun so far Shahab?? Enjoying it :)?

shahab_kiani
04-07-2012, 11:50 PM
Waisay how is your experience with the gun so far Shahab?? Enjoying it :)?

Brother I still didn't got the pellets so I packed it again.. ;)

Birdshooter007
05-07-2012, 02:44 AM
.17HMR muzzle energy with a 17 grain bullet and average velocity of 2350 fps delivers 208.52 FPE.
.17HM2 muzzle energy with a 17 grain bullet and average velocity of 2150 fps delivers 175.53 FPE.

.22WMR muzzle energy with a 30 grain bullet and average velocity of 2200 fps delivers 322.49 FPE.
.22WMR muzzle energy with a 40 grain bullet and average velocity of 2000 fps delivers 320.72 FPE.
.22WMR muzzle energy with a 50 grain bullet and average velocity of 1550 fps delivers 266.8 FPE.

And the MOTHER of all the .223Remington muzzle energy with a 55 grain bullet and average velocity of 3240 fps delivers 1282.36 FPE.
I don't know why the heck people use big bore airguns.... completely useless! 3-8 shots per fill? LOL
Who is going to fill the big bottle again?
Who is going to bear the extra weight and length?
How are you going to maintain it especially in Pak?

If you are a 200fpe sucker why not get a .22LR or .22WMR.. classic bolt action rifles for rough and tough use.

By the way even with a 350 magnum medium sized bores feel just an itch.... only for piglets.

Turumti
05-07-2012, 03:45 AM
.17HMR muzzle energy with a 17 grain bullet and average velocity of 2350 fps delivers 208.52 FPE.
.17HM2 muzzle energy with a 17 grain bullet and average velocity of 2150 fps delivers 175.53 FPE.

.22WMR muzzle energy with a 30 grain bullet and average velocity of 2200 fps delivers 322.49 FPE.
.22WMR muzzle energy with a 40 grain bullet and average velocity of 2000 fps delivers 320.72 FPE.
.22WMR muzzle energy with a 50 grain bullet and average velocity of 1550 fps delivers 266.8 FPE.

And the MOTHER of all the .223Remington muzzle energy with a 55 grain bullet and average velocity of 3240 fps delivers 1282.36 FPE.

My 30-06 puts out a muzzle velocity (MV) of 2,910 fps with muzzle energy (ME) of 2,820 ft. lbs with a 150 grain bullet, and my 450 puts out a muzzle velocity (MV) of 2,125 fps with muzzle energy (ME) of 4010 ft. lbs with a 400 grain bullet.

jog3ee
05-07-2012, 10:19 AM
In Pakistan keeping a normal PCP is an issue considering price, availability, and easy filling sources let alone a big bore PCP :p only a handful have managed to get their hands on PCPs and most are relying on pumps. So i agree, get a 0.22LR and smoke em (the varmints) :D

asimazan
05-07-2012, 10:29 AM
I agree with jog3ee brother

raja yasir
05-07-2012, 06:40 PM
Brother I still didn't got the pellets so I packed it again.. ;)
i hope its good cause when you brother called me for advice about this gun told him that i dont have any personal experience with this gun but buy the one that shahab bro has decided .If you want to test it with variety of different pellets you are welcome any time.

shahab_kiani
05-07-2012, 07:18 PM
i hope its good cause when you brother called me for advice about this gun told him that i dont have any personal experience with this gun but buy the one that shahab bro has decided .If you want to test it with variety of different pellets you are welcome any time.

Brother I am very Thankful to you that you made me such a nice offer. I really am. Can you please tell that if i tell my cousin to bring pellets from abroad can he bring them with himself ?

raja yasir
05-07-2012, 07:28 PM
Brother I am very Thankful to you that you made me such a nice offer. I really am. Can you please tell that if i tell my cousin to bring pellets from abroad can he bring them with himself ?
You are welcome bro,pellets are usually no problem but some time they can waste the travelers time at the airport depending on the location and person.

shahab_kiani
05-07-2012, 07:29 PM
You are welcome bro,pellets are usually no problem but some time they can waste the travelers time at the airport depending on the location and person.

Where do you get pellets from?

raja yasir
05-07-2012, 07:41 PM
Where do you get pellets from?
some came from UK and some from Dubai ,but pellets are a lot cheaper in UK and US then Dubai.

jog3ee
05-07-2012, 07:59 PM
Shahab, just get a gamo promagnum tin and start breaking it in :) these will not disappoint you , atleast that was the case with me. You should get it between 400-500

shahab_kiani
05-07-2012, 07:59 PM
Today my brother went to Badarudin sons and found out that the old stock of promagnums was better than the new ones. The new ones have a very poor finish and the old stock is finished at badarudin sons my brother brought the last tin of the old stock but still I need 2 more tins and am trying to find where can i get the old stock :)

shahab_kiani
05-07-2012, 08:04 PM
new tins are fully of silver outlook and there is a sticker on them.

jog3ee
05-07-2012, 08:06 PM
Yeah i think he is right!! when i bought my pellets last week i was offered the old ones for Rs 420/- and the newer ones for 500/- and the shopkeeper insisted the newer ones are better :p But i still went with the old ones as those were the ones i used and did well. Also the older ones were smoothly manufactured, the lines of the die were less defined than the newer ones.
So finally you got some pellets, did you shoot it???

Turumti
05-07-2012, 08:06 PM
new tins are fully of silver outlook and there is a sticker on them.

The new pro-Magnums are sh!t. Try to get a hold of old stock if you can.

shahab_kiani
05-07-2012, 08:10 PM
Yeah i think he is right!! when i bought my pellets last week i was offered the old ones for Rs 420/- and the newer ones for 500/- and the shopkeeper insisted the newer ones are better :p But i still went with the old ones as those were the ones i used and did well. Also the older ones were smoothly manufactured, the lines of the die were less defined than the newer ones.
So finally you got some pellets, did you shoot it???

Not yet :P shooting will be done on saturday and sunday.

shahab_kiani
05-07-2012, 08:11 PM
I dont know where will i get the old stock from.. great prob one tin isnt enough

Khan09
05-07-2012, 08:14 PM
new tins are fully of silver outlook and there is a sticker on them.

The old stock isnt availiable in peshawar but i recntly found a 3 year old tin in my house of old stock.The newer one are silver and the old ones are greyish black.

shahab_kiani
05-07-2012, 08:16 PM
The old stock isnt availiable in peshawar but i recntly found a 3 year old tin in my house of old stock.The newer one are silver and the old ones are greyish black.

Brother how can you lost pellets and found them after 3 year omg i am amazed :P

jog3ee
05-07-2012, 08:19 PM
Do you have any relatives in Karachi?? I can buy some for you when i go to the market on saturday.

raja yasir
05-07-2012, 10:23 PM
I dont know where will i get the old stock from.. great prob one tin isnt enough
You may find it with arms dealer in f8 markaz 400 p/t and f6 markaz islamabad store for 500 p/t.

raja yasir
05-07-2012, 10:33 PM
I dont buy gamo pellets any more but 2 tins came with the guns that came for testing and got one tin with p1000 cause he was not changing the price so i got a tin ,both are different but some guns liked the older ones and some liked the new ones ,my diana 35 was never good with gamo magnums but it likes the new ones.

shahab_kiani
06-07-2012, 01:39 PM
@Jogee: Brother my cousins used to be in Karachi but they shifted to pindi BTW thanks for the nice offer Il have to go and search the market for the old stock

Khilji
06-07-2012, 05:28 PM
interesting topic going great i own webley & scott .22 shooting @ 900fps with Gamo magnum 15.5grain pellets
and Diana 54 air king shooting the same pellet @ 850 fps , one day i was working with a machine oil can was in my hand i put 3 to 4 drop of mobile oil in the barrel and tested the webley it was shooting @ 1500 fps i was shocked to see that

jog3ee
06-07-2012, 05:46 PM
oiling the pellets is bad for the gun! Which Webley do you have, the turkish ones?? if yes, they are being made by Hatsan.

shahab_kiani
06-07-2012, 10:53 PM
@jogee bro can you tell me where did you get the airgunweb page I saw it in pictures

jog3ee
06-07-2012, 11:21 PM
there you go

Birdshooter007
07-07-2012, 12:24 AM
one day i was working with a machine oil can was in my hand i put 3 to 4 drop of mobile oil in the barrel and tested the webley it was shooting @ 1500 fps i was shocked to see that
77 ft/lbs... is that possible for a spring air rifle? Nearly a .22LR.

jog3ee
07-07-2012, 12:30 AM
77 ft/lbs... is that possible for a spring air rifle? Nearly a .22LR.

I cant say about 1500 but i've read several people firing lubricated pellets through their Webley Patriots, Walther talon magnum/falcon hunter, hatsan mod 125, Diana 350 mag, diana 48/52 and achieving absurd velocities. I think i read some1 achieving over 1350 fps through their Patriot with a CPHP (14.5 grain) in .22 cal.

Khan09
07-07-2012, 01:08 AM
I cant say about 1500 but i've read several people firing lubricated pellets through their Webley Patriots, Walther talon magnum/falcon hunter, hatsan mod 125, Diana 350 mag, diana 48/52 and achieving absurd velocities. I think i read some1 achieving over 1350 fps through their Patriot with a CPHP (14.5 grain) in .22 cal.

These hatsans are very powerful but do they last long?In my opinion I dont think so.

jog3ee
07-07-2012, 01:36 AM
I don't know about that bro Khan09. It depends on how much one cares for his gun. Mine has gone through 200 pellets and she gets better each day, in terms of recoil, smoother trigger , and shoots consistently thus far. If you really want to judge the longevity of Hatsans, look at how Webley Patriot, Walther Talon Magnum and Walther Falcon hunter have been doing so far. These are all made by hatsan and been there for about 3-4 years (Patriot a little more i reckon).

shahab_kiani
07-07-2012, 01:24 PM
I don't know about that bro Khan09. It depends on how much one cares for his gun. Mine has gone through 200 pellets and she gets better each day, in terms of recoil, smoother trigger , and shoots consistently thus far. If you really want to judge the longevity of Hatsans, look at how Webley Patriot, Walther Talon Magnum and Walther Falcon hunter have been doing so far. These are all made by hatsan and been there for about 3-4 years (Patriot a little more i reckon).

@Jogee: Brother did you cleaned your gun yet ?

Birdshooter007
07-07-2012, 01:46 PM
1500fps would not benefit a tad bit in air rifles because at 1100(+-)fps the pellet reaches the sound barrier and the diabolo is certainly not meant to be accurate... God I'm starting to hate airguns and like .22.........

Khan09
07-07-2012, 01:58 PM
Ive recently started reding airgun reviews at PA/review center and i have noticed that even though the airforce condor/talon are one of the most advanced and powerful airguns on the market their prices are comparatively very low at about $550/$650,is this beacause of the manafacturer?

Birdshooter007
07-07-2012, 04:24 PM
IMO they're the best, and what do you mean by "is this beacause of the manafacturer?"
Firstly that isn't low compared to US standards it's in the moderate price range to attract more customers as there's a huge PCP market there and lots of competition.
Also if you're comparing it to Pakistan standards then it might low, as a Walther 1250 for 55,000rs there is 100,000rs here.

And there's alot of upgrades and improvements available for Airforce rifles and you definitely need a pump, high power scope and mount, and good heavy pellets... That's over 100,000rs.

Your question was vague so I don't know whether I've answered it right.

jog3ee
07-07-2012, 06:23 PM
1500fps would not benefit a tad bit in air rifles because at 1100(+-)fps the pellet reaches the sound barrier and the diabolo is certainly not meant to be accurate... God I'm starting to hate airguns and like .22.........

Totally agree on the accuracy part! But i still love my airgun :p

jog3ee
07-07-2012, 06:48 PM
Scoped the gun today. After zeroing to approx 25 yards went for a 10 shot group at approx 15 yards (results attached). And then started to check how it groups at a spot aapprox 50 yards (+/- 5) away ; that is where most of the pigeons and crows come and sit in the eve. Pellets tested were Gamo Match diabolo and Gamo pro magnums. Match pellets did well at about 22-25 yards but giving wider spreads at above mentioned distance. Pro magnums shot well and shots landed within a diameter of approx 3-4 inches (casual shooting not focusing a lot on maintaining accuracy).

Soon two pigeons approx 4 feet apart sat on that very spot and i went for the larger one, took the shot and it dropped like a stone. Retrieved it and the pellet had severed its neck completely. I prepared it for the falcons and it rests in my freezer :p. Some 10 mins after that spotted a crow on another spot (some 30 yards) and took it down and that invited a whole "Baraat" of them corvids going about their usual shouts and cries. And about 10 or so sat 10-12 feet away from that spot where i practiced my shot. I was atleast 50 yards away and his myself behind a 3fx4f wall at my terrace. I had a clear view of crows and they could not see the barrel of my gun poking out ;) One after another they went down and within 10 mins i downed 6 out of 8 shots i fired. The best part was that they flew away after each shot and kept coming back :D. After 6 I called it a day as they finally figured it wasn't safe to sit there anymore :p in the end, had a GREAT day with my Hatsan :D I can still see 1 lying on top of a white corrolla while I write this post ;).

@shahab_kiyani : bro i inspected it when it arrived and the barrel was very clean. I've shot 300+ pellets through it so i'll clean it tomorrow.

raja yasir
07-07-2012, 11:40 PM
Ive recently started reding airgun reviews at PA/review center and i have noticed that even though the airforce condor/talon are one of the most advanced and powerful airguns on the market their prices are comparatively very low at about $550/$650,is this beacause of the manafacturer?
All the single shot airguns are of less price except for edgun matador.

Birdshooter007
08-07-2012, 12:28 AM
Soon two pigeons approx 4 feet apart sat on that very spot and i went for the larger one, took the shot and it dropped like a stone. Retrieved it and the pellet had severed its neck completely. I prepared it for the falcons and it rests in my freezer :p.
What about the crows, do they rest in the freezer (for the falcons) too?? ;)

jog3ee
08-07-2012, 12:48 AM
What about the crows, do they rest in the freezer (for the falcons) too?? ;)

Well i planned to fetch some but crows mostly feed on leftovers and junk so their meat often contains bacteria which is harmful for the falcons, thats why we (the falconers) avoid feeding city crows. Rural crows are ok if you are to feed em to the hawks/falcons, besides where they fell is a busy market place and i spotted two cats carrying 1 crow each (via binoculars while locating the victims) And when i went out to check on em around 8pm i saw a dog feasting on one.

Btw my father in law came over (he used to be a keen hunter and has hunted several trophy sized ibex and Markhors during his time in the Army) and tried his luck on another pigeon (using H&N match) who is now is giving company to the one already in the freezer ;) so total count for the day 2 pigeons and 6 crows.

jog3ee
08-07-2012, 01:02 AM
Chauhdary Sahb, you were looking for Gamo magnum pellets right? I saw Gamo magnum (energy) pointed pellets today at Saddar Karachi, if you want em I can buy for you. It had a price tag of 700 and i reckon he'd sell for 650. I didn't buy it as the tin I inspected had 3-4 pellets right on the top most layer with deformed skirts. I bought Gamo match wadcutters instead, and brought down two crows with them as well. But the Pro magnums did better at around 50 yards.

raja yasir
08-07-2012, 03:24 AM
Chauhdary Sahb, you were looking for Gamo magnum pellets right? I saw Gamo magnum (energy) pointed pellets today at Saddar Karachi, if you want em I can buy for you. It had a price tag of 700 and i reckon he'd sell for 650. I didn't buy it as the tin I inspected had 3-4 pellets right on the top most layer with deformed skirts. I bought Gamo match wadcutters instead, and brought down two crows with them as well. But the Pro magnums did better at around 50 yards.
Ch bro hates gamo magnum pellets and he has got the best pellets found in the market for his guns,i dont think he is looking for gamos.and you did the right thing those pointed gamo magnums are the worst in accuracy try to find gamo hunters if you can those are the best pellet in gamo accuracy wise.

jog3ee
08-07-2012, 11:39 AM
Ch bro hates gamo magnum pellets and he has got the best pellets found in the market for his guns,i dont think he is looking for gamos.and you did the right thing those pointed gamo magnums are the worst in accuracy try to find gamo hunters if you can those are the best pellet in gamo accuracy wise.

Gamo hunter pellets!! hmmm i'll keep your advice in mind next time i go to the market :)

raja yasir
08-07-2012, 03:43 PM
Gamo hunter pellets!! hmmm i'll keep your advice in mind next time i go to the market :)
i have tried the gamo hunters in lots of spring powered airguns and it was doing great in all got 10 tins from saddar RWL but got only a few pellets left ,they look same as diana magnum pellets and also work the same.Let me know if you get them from khi,these is a web site from Karachi selling hunting equipment they also had these pellets.

shahab_kiani
10-07-2012, 02:37 PM
i have tried the gamo hunters in lots of spring powered airguns and it was doing great in all got 10 tins from saddar RWL but got only a few pellets left ,they look same as diana magnum pellets and also work the same.Let me know if you get them from khi,these is a web site from Karachi selling hunting equipment they also had these pellets.

I think il be needing your help in zeroing the scope of my gun..

jog3ee
10-07-2012, 03:33 PM
@shahab-kiani
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLirsAFpsfE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nuon5sW0luE

I asked you not to rush in scoping it, let it tame down a bit :)

raja yasir
10-07-2012, 03:36 PM
I think il be needing your help in zeroing the scope of my gun..
Shore bro any time .

jog3ee
10-07-2012, 03:44 PM
And while you're scoping it consider the wind strength and direction if you're doing it out in the open. But you won't be needing all that advice anymore I guess :) you've picked up the right person to help and guide you with it --> Raja Yasir
And Raja saab!! since Shahab will most likely be visiting you for scope adjustment, how about you chrony test his Hatsan and post the results here (I believe you have a chronograph)!!?? That would be very informative :)

raja yasir
10-07-2012, 03:49 PM
And while you're scoping it consider the wind strength and direction if you're doing it out in the open. But you won't be needing all that advice anymore I guess :) you've picked up the right person to help and guide you with it --> Raja Yasir
And Raja saab!! since Shahab will most likely be visiting you for scope adjustment, how about you chrony test his Hatsan and post the results here (I believe you have a chronograph)!!?? That would be very informative :)
Shahab bro is welcome to visit any time ,shore if he comes we will be doing the chrony and accuracy test as well.

Khan09
10-07-2012, 04:11 PM
Guys yesterday i zeroed my tasco scope at approx 25 yards.After zeroing, the first shot was right on the bullseye,next one also on bullseye but after that all shots were spraying on the paper on different directions no matter what,its just like the scope is itself adjusting.I was resting the gun on a pillow but my hand was under the gun,i was holding it as loose as possible.Is my scope broken because once i saw a small piece of something in the scope while aiming but after few shots it went.If it's broken then ive wasted 4.5k on a piece of crap,from islamabad store :(.Do you think the guy will exchange it?

raja yasir
10-07-2012, 04:19 PM
Guys yesterday i zeroed my tasco scope at approx 25 yards.After zeroing, the first shot was right on the bullseye,next one also on bullseye but after that all shots were spraying on the paper on different directions no matter what,its just like the scope is itself adjusting.I was resting the gun on a pillow but my hand was under the gun,i was holding it as loose as possible.Is my scope broken because once i saw a small piece of something in the scope while aiming but after few shots it went.If it's broken then ive wasted 4.5k on a piece of crap,from islamabad store :(.Do you think the guy will exchange it?
That scope is crap ,when ever you come tell me i will make shore he change it.

jog3ee
10-07-2012, 04:29 PM
Which gun did you test your scope on?? And if you're sure that you saw a a small piece inside the tube, and the optics are still clear, take the scope to the sjopkeeper and tell him you dont like it and want to exchange or return it :p

Khan09
10-07-2012, 04:34 PM
That scope is crap ,when ever you come tell me i will make shore he change it.

Thanks bro.Which other scope do you think i should get?


Which gun did you test your scope on?? And if you're sure that you saw a a small piece inside the tube, and the optics are still clear, take the scope to the sjopkeeper and tell him you dont like it and want to exchange or return it :p

I was using my S1000

jog3ee
10-07-2012, 04:53 PM
Thanks bro.Which other scope do you think i should get?


I think you should wait for the one you ordered :)

jog3ee
11-07-2012, 12:50 AM
I've marked a spot which present me the opportunity to shoot at max 70 yards. I haven't had the time to attempt a 70 yard test, may be this weekend. I'll be a happy man if i manage to pull 2-3 inches group from that distance. I'll be working on max zoom and need to figure out a way to maintain a steady position. Will post the pics how it unfolded.