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ChocTalpur
10-05-2009, 07:43 PM
Hi fellos, i must admit, you guys definitely have very serious contributions to the forum. Albeit I'm a novice user of firearms, have a few precious things from my old man's collection. Have a double barrel I. Hollis & Sons, Astra Spain 25 mm pistol, and a Webley and Scott 32 bore revolver. Bought one 12ga 28" Aya Shotgun myself last month.

I'm now in a quest of a Semi auto shotgun again for myself. Here's the thing. I need a gun that i can use once, may be twice a year primarily for partidge hunt expeditions, and it doesn't betray me by jamming or locking in the field. Have seen quite a few examples with people using semi autos that jam right in the middle of a hunt ending in frustration of the hunter. I have two options for myself. Beretta and Franchi. I want to explore other options too.

Need advice.

Regards, choc.

m1carbine
10-05-2009, 07:46 PM
in semi auto bretta shall be very fine

12GAUGE
10-05-2009, 08:02 PM
@ choctalpur

it all depends on how much money are you willing to spend.

before any good advice can be given to you, first we need a few things from you:

1. what is your budget
2. do u want new or used
3. what will you primarily hunt
4. how naggy are you in caring for the gun
5. do yo u arnold schwarznegger (execuse my spelling) or do you like tom cruiz? Trust me, its important, it means: do u like brute force or athletic agility?

only then we can offer you some assistance.

Regards.

TAREEN
10-05-2009, 08:49 PM
Now we have a TRULY HELPFUL expert (12 gauge) on board so lets have some really good advice on the subject.

Osam
10-05-2009, 08:54 PM
+1 Tareen atleast for the lower price bracketed shotguns with first hand experience.

Hamid
10-05-2009, 09:06 PM
@Tareen sab, even you are no less than an expert on shotguns.

ChocTalpur
10-05-2009, 09:16 PM
Thankyou guys for your apt response.

i'll primarily be hunting partidges or quails. I really take good care of my things and not take them for granted. Budget is not an issue, and i would neither compare myself with arnold nor tom, i'd say i'm a kevin spacey kinda guy .. digg !!!

TAREEN
10-05-2009, 09:26 PM
@Hamid thanx, I'm just a user. Being expert is one thing but going that extra mile to help someone out is something very few people have. I really appreciate & admire such people.

@Osam u r right. And thats the area where most questions are asked.
For the expensive guns like other luxury goods, the old formula applies: If one is checking the price, he/she cannot afford it.

12GAUGE
10-05-2009, 09:52 PM
@ Osam

yes sir, you are very right, I only have experience with budget guns. hey, i can only afford toys that my budget allows. i guess you can safely say: 12gauge is just trying to make the best damn lemonade out the lemons that he's got. :D

@choctalpur

sir, if budget is no problem for you then i would suggest

beretta A391 with 26inch barrels, extrema series very nice, awesome balance, nice handling, i like the trigger pull of beretta guns, very crisp, no creep at all. i specially the like the wood one but no experience with it.

with extreme A391 series. what i realy like is that beretta has removed that chronic piston seal problems. its auto gas regulating, absolutely love its sensitivity to lighter loads. recoil pad is soft as a baby's bottom. cycling rate is pretty fast, i've heard that winchester has even faster, but i've got no experience of winchester guns. however its cycling rate is like laser fast. almost as fast as a double barrel. recoil is very soft, however not as soft as a browning. but still pretty soft. chokes are awesome, patterns are superb. i dont like the choke wrench though. I like the wide vent rib. bead is a bit small for me, but its replaceable so get a fiber optic bead on it. dont buy factory pre-installed fibreoptic bead. it totally sucks, and why pay more for factory installed when after market option is cheaper and more awesome. i've installed hiviz.

word to the wise: stay away from baretta A3901. u dont want A3901. its half the price but atleast 10 times less in quality.

Regards.

ChocTalpur
10-05-2009, 10:35 PM
Good analysis 12 ga,

Ok, xtrema it is that you recommend. What does it cost? I haven't seen it, though i've heard that its a lil over weight. Other models such as urika or technys are lighter in weight thus better handling i suppose.

Also what other options do i have along with beretta in the same price?

12GAUGE
10-05-2009, 10:51 PM
@choctalpur

my dear, technys and urika and extrema are based all based on A391 system. extrema is sythetic series whereas technys is wood series. like i said earlier, I dont have any experience with the wood one. since its the same gun, go for it if you fancy wood. prices may vary alot since its a beretta we're talking about. as far as i'm concerned I definately have to update myself on the prices.

I can recommend a cheaper shotgun if you atleast give an idea on your price range.

Regards.

ChocTalpur
10-05-2009, 11:14 PM
Man ... that was fast ... i really appreciate your interest 12gauge.

ok, so thats the basic difference ic. Well to be honest ... my range is in between Rs. 200k-250k.

Regards.

12GAUGE
10-05-2009, 11:21 PM
its a sunday, what else a guy supposed to do other than sit infront of his computer. there u go, thats the reason for my quick response.

hmmm... u'r budget is pretty appropriate for a well made shotgun. best of luck!, however considering u'll be using is once or may be twice a year, why tie up so much money in a single shotgun. buy yourself a budget over and under, u'll love it. will save alota money in the process too.

Regards.

Osam
11-05-2009, 12:07 AM
@12 Gauge, yes very true. Actually we've got a lot of people with beretta's then with lower budgeted shotguns and you know in the higher budget you will make a wise choice but in the lower bracket you will have to double think with so many brands and prices being almost closer and again you want the best out of your money, so your reviews are much appreciated.
Well as far as Beretta's are concerned Imu is the best man i think to get practical advice from, hope he reads and responds to this thread.

ChocTalpur
11-05-2009, 12:11 AM
Any suggestions for a budget over and under are also welcome, the criteria though is multichokes.

12GAUGE
11-05-2009, 01:10 AM
budget over and unders....hmm.... now we're talkin......

well, i'm gonna list top down according to my recommendation:

1. Baikal IZH27 only if you can find 26 inch barrel and 4 chokes minimum (very rare)
i would have recommended the 28inch but its a bit on the heavy side. for skeet its perfect.

2. CZ red head is good (a bit on the expensive side, but good)

3. Hatsan Optima over and under, preferabely 26 inch but since its o/u, even a 28inch will do

3. Huglu over and unders are good

4. Yildiz, if u want feather weight, u'll love hunting with it. however i must say that i will not recommend this gun for high volume shooting (skeet, trap). its balance and weight is what makes them special. perfect for hunting. since their weight is low, they kick like a mule though. but u'll love carrying them in the fields all day long without excessive fatigue on your arms.

5. Sarsilmaz salvo, awesome looks, appropriate weight, very neutral balance. barrels are good too, but i dont like the receiver, Sarsilmaz in my books are not very durable. or may be the ones i've used were lemons.

for a semi-auto

Hatsan escort trio, preferably in 26inch. but 28inch will also do they are very light weight. i'm currently using one and I must say i'm quiet satisfied, hey! i paid 36K for it NIB (new in box), cant realy complain when the bolt rattles after using it regularly in skeet. for hunting, it'll be with you for a long time.

Regards.

Regards.

ChocTalpur
11-05-2009, 01:48 AM
Man you're good, i admire your interest ... but as osam put it, i'm getting a bit confused with so many options popping up. All these options are to be explored now to come to a final decision. Will have to see those things in hand. I don't really know if this stuff is available at the local gunstores at luckystar. Thanks anyways brother.

Moin
11-05-2009, 09:12 AM
try pioneer arms people told me his prices are good o/u 26 " with variable choke would be fine try tula also its russian its weight is better then baikel

HasanJamshad
11-05-2009, 12:19 PM
Dear choctalpur, 12 Gauge has given you almost all the pros an cons of available guns, and the others as wel. I will just try to add something. My vote will be in the Beretta teckneys stonecoat favour. As we all know these all semi autos by Beretta are based on al391 system, Urika, extrema or teckneys. So they all are reliable excellent top of the line guns. I prefer teckneys stonecoat or stonecoat gold as they are a real beauty and you will really enjoy them before, during and after the hunt. As we know, synthetic stock guns are more for waterfowel(duck shooting) and your purpose is specially for overland shooting(patridge, quail and may be phesant). So, i don,t see any need to compromise on a real beauty when there is no budget constraint. I have a teckneys gold stonecoat gun for two years, there is not a single malfunction, it was able to cycle 27grm cartridges that i just used to check the limit. Hope you will easily find a 26 inch barel and i am sure 28 inch is not bad either. Best of luck.

Acciprone
11-05-2009, 12:35 PM
@choctalpur ill leave u with the experts of shotguns.. but if i had the money and it was a 1 time deal then beretta.. other wise hands down hatsan escort. nothing else.

ChocTalpur
11-05-2009, 02:45 PM
yea you're right Acciprone ... its a 1 time expense .. thats the reason i'm exploring almost all the options that i may ... Can anyone critically appreciate Franchi Raptor ??

Cheers Lads and hats off to you for your interest.

Bluff
11-05-2009, 03:23 PM
to the best of my knowledge my recomendations are

High Budget
1. Luigui Franchi
2. Winchester Sx3
3. Franchi
4. Beretta Grey Stone, Tekney

Meduim Budget
1. Sarsilmaz Concord Delux
2. Remington 1100, 1187
3. Sarsilmaz concord
4. Huglu
5. Yildiz Professional

Low Budget
1. Sarsilmaz Verona, Jaws, Boeing
2. Hatsen Escot

Khalidsh
11-05-2009, 04:01 PM
what is the range of high Medium and low Budgets?

to the best of my knowledge my recomendations are

High Budget
1. Luigui Franchi
2. Winchester Sx3
3. Franchi
4. Beretta Grey Stone, Tekney

Meduim Budget
1. Sarsilmaz Concord Delux
2. Remington 1100, 1187
3. Sarsilmaz concord
4. Huglu
5. Yildiz Professional

Low Budget
1. Sarsilmaz Verona, Jaws, Boeing
2. Hatsen Escot

Bluff
11-05-2009, 04:02 PM
High = 100K +
Medium =50-100K
Low =50K -