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Abbas
14-01-2009, 12:25 AM
Salams everyone, there has been a lot of interest recently about copies of Beretta's, Glock's etc

So I asked a friend to get me one of the 'clones' so that I can have a close look to prevent any PakGuns member from getting duped. Now the dilemma is, the apparent fake one looks so damn good that I am in two minds if my friend was messing with me by giving me an original or have Pakistan's Gun makers become so fabulous at making guns !

Have a look, if this is a Pakistani copy, I really am proud of it. Either way I'm keeping this :cool:


http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii99/AbbasMalik/Beretta1.jpg

http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii99/AbbasMalik/Beretta2.jpg

http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii99/AbbasMalik/Beretta3.jpg

http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii99/AbbasMalik/Beretta4.jpg

http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii99/AbbasMalik/Beretta5.jpg


For comparison I have put a Taurus PT 99 next to it. Keep in mind that the Beretta is a older model 92 FS (dull finish) while the Taurus (Chrome Finish) is a improved version of the original 92 design.


http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii99/AbbasMalik/Beretta6.jpg

http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii99/AbbasMalik/Beretta7.jpg

http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii99/AbbasMalik/Beretta8.jpg


I could not fire it as much as I would have liked to but I did let off about 25 rounds. Sounded good/solid, no misfire or jams while firing POF 9mm even though the inside of the barrel was in a deplorable condition and I was half expecting the barrel to burst after a continuous fire of 25 rounds. It did not.

If this is the copy doing the rounds for 20 K, buy it ! I would get 5 just to hang on my wall as a decoration.

Taurus
14-01-2009, 01:02 AM
Even Now I am proud of it ...Its amazing abbas u r rite even i couldnt believe myself that these are not real beretta's

Cap1
14-01-2009, 08:06 AM
Awesome pictures! How to tell it apart from the real one? Did it also have the ops manual etc, and was it also original looking?

Balazona
14-01-2009, 09:16 AM
very nicely build.we have very talented ppl here in pakistan.

Acciprone
14-01-2009, 09:49 AM
I have seen a beretta clone before , this one posted here is much better actually i saw two when i was first buying a 9mm both had very bad finish and well it just didnt feel right in the hand.. But this one looks nice.

OHQ
14-01-2009, 05:29 PM
By looking at this I would like to say, If Pakistani Arms manufactures are provided with proper machines and little training from reputable international arms manufacture like Hk a little quality control too. We can make better then glock, Berretta. Wow we are good. one more thing
Pakistan Zindabad..........................................

Syed
14-01-2009, 06:56 PM
can u tell us da price and da shop

Cap1
14-01-2009, 06:57 PM
Yes we could have done a lot more with our Darra talent. Given them an education, foreign training etc etc. Still not too late just too much politics

Abbas
15-01-2009, 02:02 AM
Any comments/opinion by FirePower! and Bored? What do you guys think ?

OHQ
15-01-2009, 02:07 AM
Pakistan Hunting & sporting Arms (PHSADC)


Last updated: 2007-06-07


PAKISTAN HUNTING AND SPORTING ARMS DEVELOPMENT COMPANY (PHSADC) is established as public limited company under section 42 of Companies Ordinance 1984. The main objectives of the companies are as under: The Company (PHSADC) is funded by PIDC.

To uplift, develop and build up hunting and sporting arms industry of Pakistan and to strengthen and support the technical capabilities thereof so as to enhance competitiveness of the industry as a whole. To facilitate, support and demonstrate modern gunsmith techniques for achieving high value added hunting and sporting arms and to support and facilitate procurement of machinery and other equipment for up-gradation and capacity building of manufacturing units within the industry. To take initiatives for developing human resource for the purposes of enhancing skills and craftsmanship in basic and advanced machining, fitting, finishing and assembly within the hunting and sporting arms industry.

To develop subsidized, easy and long-term financial assistance and work closely with financial institutions for ensuring smooth availability of credit facilities to the entrepreneurs within the industry and To develop strategies, guidelines, implementation plan and conduct research studies for exploring domestic markets all over Pakistan, export markets and enhancing market access of hunting and sporting arms entrepreneurs within the industry.

Initially the main focus of the company is on the Hunting & Sporting Arms Cluster of Darra Adam Khel, F. R Kohat, FATA. Darra Adam Khel is a Federally Administrated Tribal Area (F.R, FATA). It is situated at a distance of about 45 kilometers in the south of Peshawar. Darra Adam Khel is famous for its light engineering industry Sporting, Hunting Arms and Replicas of vintage weapons forming a cluster of around 200 small units.

There is a spread of other industries including PVC Pipes, Voltage Stabilizers and Plastic bags. Thousands of people mainly tribesmen involved in manufacturing sporting arms and replicas while some skilled labours hail from Punjab and NWFP. The artisan of Darra Adam Khel have been involved in engineering for decades and are known across Asia for this. This sector has been the main income and employment provider. Since long 80% of the population is dependent directly or indirectly on this sector for their livelihoods.

Besides engineering, Darra Adam Khel has mineral potential includes rich coal & other mines, which needs to be exploited. Darra Adam Khel has a great potential of producing handcrafted small arms. They can produce replicas / copies of renowned models, old vintage weapons as well as producing quality sporting and hunting arms, which can be exported abroad. There is a huge market in foreign market (USA and Europe etc) for replicas and vintage weapons. The gunsmithry cluster has been able to attract foreign buyers and has generated export orders for sporting/ hunting guns and copies of vintage weapons as they have been producing these weapons since long.

Balazona
15-01-2009, 09:14 AM
Abbas,does pakistani clone has an aluminum alloy frame?

Firepower!
15-01-2009, 10:56 AM
The Pakistani Beretta is a hit or miss deal. One my secretaries has it. It works fine. The one that the house keeper has is just ok. Then I have seen ones which really fall apart after a few magazines of fire.

The finishing is better on the SS versions, they cost a little more as well. If you take it apart the parts inside are rough. They are proclivity to get rusted sooner than one would think.

The QA is a big issue with them. Do not have consistancy at all. I dont recommend them as of yet since every specimen varies of quality.

Gun should never be just to look at until its an antique.

Saeen
16-01-2009, 03:08 PM
Nice .... do they come in black ? :)
Anyways where did you get that from ? PARA ?

Abbas
16-01-2009, 03:14 PM
@Balazona The frame is steel.

@Saeen Welcome and no P.A.R.A does not sell Desi stuff as far as I know. I got it from as a friend who had it for some time.

Balazona
16-01-2009, 08:22 PM
Abbas,if frame is made out of steel then pistol must be heavy than ur Taurus PT-99.

Abbas
16-01-2009, 08:49 PM
Actually they are about the same weight although the the 92 has a more solid feel to it than the Taurus.

It feels better than the NP42 while firing and the NP42 is a good pistol. It's put together so well that I am still in two minds if this is a clone or not. The only thing which makes it look fake is the rusted barrel. Btw I've never had any work done on a pistol, are barrels easily available for replacement ?

Ahmad
16-01-2009, 10:55 PM
i got one in 2005 as gift, from a friend. it was made by Zafar Alam who started the cloning of 92 here in Pakistan. my round count was nearly 1800 bullets before i passed the gift to another mutual friend. i had not any problem with the gun in my experience. it feed FMJ & JHP fine. no FTF & FTE, handled well and had acceptable trigger.
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb176/mrnobody2008/DSCN1243.jpg
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb176/mrnobody2008/DSCN1233.jpg
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb176/mrnobody2008/DSCN1239.jpg

it was quoted near 50k when i had it. although prices are down now almost by half but it is a hit or miss case now. i have seen many with broken locking lugs and slides.
would love to see a copy of glock, can any one guess from where they are getting polymer resin. they surely got alloy for 92 from old auto engines which got swapped. but no doubt that there are skilled & talented persons in our country. if Philippine made 1911A1 can make huge business, why cant we do the same.
regards

Firepower!
17-01-2009, 01:00 AM
+1 ahmad

Firearm Lover
17-01-2009, 01:59 AM
Hey guys how many of u heard the latest news scandal of selling of Govt imported pistols to tribal areas by Federal Police . I heard the news today on TV in a meeting by a senior member of PML(N) , He said that the Federal Police sold their original pistols in tribal areas and in return they bought these sort of copied models .
No shock bcos as u all see they could b hardly distinguished n our pathan bros can engrave any serial no on them ,u ask for

Firepower!
17-01-2009, 02:01 AM
amazing.
Not unusual though

Striker1
17-01-2009, 11:53 AM
Hi All

While visiting IDEAs 2008 last Nov I met up with the local mfg that has cloned all major pistols. Was also based out of one of the Arms manufacturing areas. He gave me the following details for buying the clones in Saddar, KARACHI

Moonstar Arms Co. Tel no 278 1949 , 0301-3322722. Though I hae still not visited this store

Abbas
17-01-2009, 12:33 PM
Moonstar Arms Co. Tel no 278 1949 , 0301-3322722. Though I hae still not visited this store

Welcome Striker1 and that's good info !

Balazona
17-01-2009, 02:34 PM
There is a news in todays newspaper about the SACANDAL.

Gun Lover
25-01-2009, 06:59 PM
now a days it costs around 25 k in rwp
it is so good one cannot tell the difference
now the gun has also improved in quality

but i personally think 25k is a bit too much for this gun
i put the price on 8k pakistani

any how it is a good clone
shoots well
15 shot capacity
can shoot any desi, POF or foreign ammo
looks quite manly
any well built man must have one in his hand and get a picture taken
it will improve his manliness and machoness

Sohail
26-01-2009, 12:09 PM
if anybody wants to buy it can go and get it from famous arms in Khi for 19,000 (just quote my name, (Sohail, walther lover)

regards

Abbas
26-01-2009, 12:13 PM
I just might get a couple for guards. Seems built solidly enough for at least 2000 rounds.

Conceal Carry
12-02-2009, 12:33 AM
in a weapon, especially for SD/HD purpose never be fooled by the looks. Pakistani gunsmiths can copy any brand of the world, no doubt about it, they are talented but the most important thing in any weapon is the material used. Pakistan lacks basic metalurgical facilities and that's why local made weapons wear out so quick, in comparison look at Glock almost 50% plastic but could easily surpass 100,000 rounds, subject it to sand, mud, gravel, salt water it keeps on going.

The other very important aspect of arms manufacturing is consistency and very low tolerance levels for accuracy and reliability which comes from using high tech CAD/CAM and CNC machines which are very very expensive and not commercially vaible for the vloumes produced/ sold by local manufacturers.

Our local industry could only flourish if the Pak Army supports it by jointly designing and developing the weapon specific to local conditions and buys in large quantities to make the heavy investment viable. Ones it starts then there is huge export market availble if your quality of product and service is god at competetive rates.

Balazona
12-02-2009, 09:38 AM
well said.

Striker1
12-02-2009, 11:50 AM
HI.
@Conceal Carry. Let me just add some info on this!

All the machinery is very well present in our country. Infact this machinery has primarily been imported and is being utilised currently for manufacturing parts used in the Auto Industry in Pak. I personally am involved in having work done on all this machinery. INFACT most if the installed capacity at part manufacturers is currently being utilised at ONLY 20% due to slowdown in the auto specific sector.

Primarily it is all about Process Management and training workers/ mangers and above all the investors. The mfg is not an issue and nor are volumes.

What it takes it the willingness of buyers to trust the locally produced item. If the MP 5 , and other weapons are already being produced in Pak then all other stuff can be done so at the current volumes.

The best way to always go about making new products is to go for JVs ( Joint ventures) . Why go abroad. Convince POF to form JVs with local manufacturers!

Conceal Carry
12-02-2009, 11:38 PM
I totally Agree with you Striker, I too know industries where state of the art machinery and equipment is installed, but that is for other purposes. In Pakistan besides POF no manufacturer except DSA has resources to invest that kind of money.

Besided monetary resources, the most important resource is highly trained, highly skilled technicians specific to this industry. Remember for original work we must have capable engineers who can design and produce their own weapons, not just make clones/copies.

Third most important thing is the availability of high quality material production and testing facilities, which unfortunately are not present in Pakistan. Even POF is simply producing german designs on mostly HK machines, I'm not sure but probably their material is also imported.

SD/HD is the area where you don't take chances, I'm a very patriotic person, but when it comes to SD/HD equipment I'll get something which is reliable, accurate, and durable. That's why despite liking the looks and price of Taurus, I didn't even considered it. For fun shooting I have a number of Derra made pistols, they are not bad but a look inside, and you know you can't trust it for your life.

I hope and I pray that some day very soon Pakistan also launches it's own brand, it's own desing. If it does, I'll be among the first one to get it.

Osam
13-02-2009, 12:15 AM
A dealer told me that some time back pakistani mafia 9mm was exported all to china because of its unique design which fascinated chinese people.

Abbas
13-02-2009, 01:31 AM
Pakistani mafia 9mm ?

What is it ? I've never heard of it.

Balazona
13-02-2009, 09:48 AM
I think Osam wants to tell that Pakistani mafia exported those 9mm Berreta clones to china.

Moin
13-02-2009, 11:07 AM
the only check left is serial number on the weapon, and we can check it from their website

Intrepid
13-02-2009, 12:17 PM
@balazona, nope sir osam is talking about the gun called MAFIA. A dealer showed me its clone a month back but I dont know which company produced it.

Saeen
13-02-2009, 12:30 PM
Found a video of 92FS pakistani replica

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/718646/beretta_92fs_9mm_pakistan_made_replica_shootout/

Osam
13-02-2009, 02:36 PM
Yes intrepid is right im talking about a pakistani produced gun called mafia 9mm which was imported by china beacuase of its design so its an honour for our industry. It proves that we have the potential but we need solid support probably from the govt to come up with products of international standards.

Abbas
13-02-2009, 02:38 PM
I'm very interested.. any pictures etc of the Mafia ?

Osam
13-02-2009, 02:46 PM
Ill try but not sure.

Balazona
13-02-2009, 02:52 PM
i am also curious to see that MAFIA 9mm pistol.

Saeen
13-02-2009, 03:22 PM
Yup never came across or heard of Pakistani MAFiA 9mm. Wonder which looks made Chinese import it :rolleyes:

Ka_Khan
13-02-2009, 10:10 PM
What is the price of Origional 92 FS?

Osam
14-02-2009, 02:53 PM
It was 215000 when some time back i inquired but should be around the same price currently.

Ka_Khan
18-02-2009, 08:20 PM
Here is one more for the show ! Is it real?

http://i614.photobucket.com/albums/tt227/ka_khan/Beretta6.jpg

http://i614.photobucket.com/albums/tt227/ka_khan/Beretta1.jpg

Balazona
18-02-2009, 08:24 PM
Very nicely made Pakistani Clone.

Ahmad
18-02-2009, 09:04 PM
no you never see this finish on original
cheers

Ka_Khan
19-02-2009, 12:31 AM
Clones are made all over Pakistan.Could we figure out who is making Goog Quality and what are their prises?
Beretta 92 FS Clones which i have seen are availabe from 15000 to 25000 in Peshawar dont know about other cities.

Osam
19-02-2009, 02:39 PM
In khi the most selling clones of beretta are from khyber arms and the price quoted was 25k.

Handsome_Phantom
23-02-2009, 09:22 PM
A very beautiful clone.I am will get one as i am short of funds thesedays.

mabster81
01-03-2009, 12:16 AM
Wow!!! This does look amazing - How much is it abbas ?

Abbas
01-03-2009, 12:45 AM
Around 20-25 k.

Cap1
01-03-2009, 11:11 AM
Shahid Afridi seems to be buying one of these too... or is it the original? Its in Pushto ...

shahid afridi @ arms shop(moonstar arms karachi sadar)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0Rpzx6xgkE

Wish we got this treatment at when we visit :)
Did I hear them say Moonstar is affiliated with Haji Amin of Islamabad?

Intrepid
02-03-2009, 01:57 AM
this haji amin owns 4 shops and a factory so most probably he is HA ISB. It was good to hear him asking govt for ease in license process and of opinion that everyone must have a weapon and spelling guns the only factor for peace in tribal areas.

Junaid & ka_khan, where you guys are? Correct me if I am wrong :)

Ka_Khan
03-03-2009, 12:16 AM
Intrepid Your Signature line says all...............

Intrepid
03-03-2009, 03:32 PM
:cool:

Mastermind
15-03-2009, 06:06 PM
http://i612.photobucket.com/albums/tt208/mastermind474/15032009026.jpg

http://i612.photobucket.com/albums/tt208/mastermind474/15032009023.jpg

http://i612.photobucket.com/albums/tt208/mastermind474/15032009027.jpg




my Beretta clone

Firepower!
15-03-2009, 06:19 PM
Here is Beretta 92FS (my guards)
http://i368.photobucket.com/albums/oo128/Firepower1/15032009316.jpg
http://i368.photobucket.com/albums/oo128/Firepower1/15032009317.jpg
http://i368.photobucket.com/albums/oo128/Firepower1/15032009318.jpg
http://i368.photobucket.com/albums/oo128/Firepower1/15032009319.jpg
http://i368.photobucket.com/albums/oo128/Firepower1/15032009320.jpg

Glocky
15-03-2009, 06:36 PM
Nice :)
though we could do without the nearly chambered round picture

Firepower!
15-03-2009, 06:38 PM
Actually all my and guards pistols are chambered. I fired three guards for not keeping live round.

Glocky
15-03-2009, 06:46 PM
:) lol, my bad

Firepower!
15-03-2009, 06:48 PM
No, Glocky, you are actually right in advocating safety procedures for handling guns. I appreciate it.

Glocky
15-03-2009, 06:59 PM
Am glad you took it the right way bud

Taurus
16-03-2009, 04:50 AM
Hye guys i have something interesting to tell one of my friend was going to buy an automatic beretta 92 clone he didnt knew that it was a clone (my friend has a good knowledge of weapons) and he tested it with 60 rounds 4 mags worked very accurate he took weapon from the guy who was selling and went to the market the guy who was selling this automatic weapon told him that he is selling it for 110000 and wen he took his weapon to the market all the dealers said it is gr8 and for this price (110000) it is excellent and finally he went to haris were he deals everytime haris said wonderful but wen he opened and checked it properly he came accross to know it was a clone haris said sell it to me for 40000..my friend went back to that guy who was selling this weapon and returned...so clones working in automatic sounds good

Thunder
16-03-2009, 09:02 AM
Hye guys i have something interesting to tell one of my friend was going to buy an automatic beretta 92 clone he didnt knew that it was a clone (my friend has a good knowledge of weapons) and he tested it with 60 rounds 4 mags worked very accurate he took weapon from the guy who was selling and went to the market the guy who was selling this automatic weapon told him that he is selling it for 110000 and wen he took his weapon to the market all the dealers said it is gr8 and for this price (110000) it is excellent and finally he went to haris were he deals everytime haris said wonderful but wen he opened and checked it properly he came accross to know it was a clone haris said sell it to me for 40000..my friend went back to that guy who was selling this weapon and returned...so clones working in automatic sounds good

is that a Pakistani clone ??? working in a auto mode ? with out any problem?

Bullseye
16-03-2009, 09:39 AM
Must Be a 93R. But I am hearing about a Local 93R for the first time.
Expert opinions would be appreciated.

Taurus
16-03-2009, 11:56 AM
no its 92 with original beretta magazines and pakistani but not daara i think its shaheen i have even seen from a dealer uzi 9mm he said its taken by some ppl who like auto and was selling it for 85000 but i think it was without auto and made by shaheen

Ahmad
16-03-2009, 11:50 PM
i asked from zafar alam Son about 93 Way back in 2005 when i first saw 92 clone, he told me that they made one in full auto rather than tri burst. but that was not successful. he assured that they can try to copy if they ever come across an original 93R.

Firepower!
16-03-2009, 11:59 PM
93R is one heck of a pistol because of it tri option.

SAJJAD ALI
07-05-2009, 09:01 PM
here are my two pakistani 92 clones
http://i682.photobucket.com/albums/vv181/SAJJADALI/Image000.jpg
http://i682.photobucket.com/albums/vv181/SAJJADALI/DSC00053.jpg

BERETTA M9 9mm
07-05-2009, 11:59 PM
NICE work by paki keep it up..............................

Khalidsh
07-05-2009, 11:59 PM
Nicely detailed weapon. Which company is making it and how much you paid for it?

here are my two pakistani 92 clones
http://i682.photobucket.com/albums/vv181/SAJJADALI/Image000.jpg
http://i682.photobucket.com/albums/vv181/SAJJADALI/DSC00053.jpg

Enigmatic Desires
08-05-2009, 01:59 AM
The only berreta clones I have seen are by sharpao arms.. at all the shops that have such clones..

At famous.. an he was offering the 9mm #22K (black) and .30 @24k silver..
But the fit and finish left a lot to be desired..

I have no idea where such amazing copies came from..

Khalidsh
08-05-2009, 11:27 AM
I have seen Mushtaq Hussein & Sons as well. But the detail was not as good as shown in the picture. I would really want to have a look into such a piece.

The only berreta clones I have seen are by sharpao arms.. at all the shops that have such clones..

At famous.. an he was offering the 9mm #22K (black) and .30 @24k silver..
But the fit and finish left a lot to be desired..

I have no idea where such amazing copies came from..

Pashasahab
08-05-2009, 05:12 PM
@FIREPOWER - Where can I Get a good beretta clone in islamabad or rawalpindi... Please provide contact too

Naved Jan
08-05-2009, 06:57 PM
dear in peshawar they are cheap, as now they have started cloning Stoeger Couger and the price is 18000. i have made several guns for my freinds and they are good in use, till now nobody claims that ithas a missfired or jammed. my cousin freind is a gun smith and mashallah he makes good guns.

Khalidsh
09-05-2009, 10:42 AM
@Naveed Jan
can you check with the local market people that if one send them a license can they deliver in Karachi. As this used to be very common sometime back.

Naved Jan
09-05-2009, 12:55 PM
Dear Khalidsh, i will confirm the same from the dealer, right now i am out of pakistan and will be back in end of may, in the meanwhile i will confim from my cousin as he has send many guns to karachi.

Khalidsh
10-05-2009, 02:07 AM
Abbes Bro... check out the arms website posted in some threads with the name Khyber Arms. Their wesite show a copy of it

I'm very interested.. any pictures etc of the Mafia ?

Khalidsh
10-05-2009, 02:09 AM
@Naveed Jan
Bro I will definitely wait for your input on your way back and awaiting your cousin's as well.

Dear Khalidsh, i will confirm the same from the dealer, right now i am out of pakistan and will be back in end of may, in the meanwhile i will confim from my cousin as he has send many guns to karachi.

Enigmatic Desires
10-05-2009, 04:02 AM
Moonstar Arms Co. Tel no 278 1949 , 0301-3322722. Though I hae still not visited this store

Welcome Striker1 and that's good info !

Is it just a retail outlet or do they any repairing/customizing on their weapons?

SAJJAD ALI
20-05-2009, 02:24 AM
khalid These clone are of khyber arms and i payed 23k for each.very good in performance.

NOMI
20-05-2009, 03:42 PM
i bought bretta clone for my friend about 2 week ago from gujraat cost only 13k.
for test at shop i fired 8 roudns local made ammo after 4 rounds its jamed, i try again after cleaning the barrel and this time i try for 13 rounds not a single jamm i bought it and cheek again on my friend's form house now i fired about 50 rounds not a single jamm or missfire.
now im agree with local clones

Ahsanfurqan
14-06-2009, 06:33 PM
AOA Dear brothers!
i m new to this site.i just want to have some guidence from ur vast experiences plz.
dear friends,i just want to ask what is the difference between a 92fs clone and original? as one of my friend is having a clone ,it is gram to gram same in weight of original beretta...its finishing is very very very fine...writing on it is exactly same as beretta and he had fired about 300 rounds in 4 months not even a single jam/missfire or chock etc...and he is using POF ammo...so question remains what is the difference b/w original and fake???
dear members plz throw some light here too
thx
regards.

Hamid
14-06-2009, 06:51 PM
In short, you can judge the real one from fake one by field stripping the two and compare their parts. Real one has well-finished internal parts.
Or just take the two guns to some expert, he will spot the difference.

Ka_Khan
14-06-2009, 07:33 PM
Hamid is right about the finishing of the internal parts.
Otherwise a good clone also fulfills the purpose.If you are a heavy shooter (or in army,police other security agencies) go for the origional.

Dr Zakir
14-06-2009, 08:19 PM
just test fired a clone made about 10 magzines no problem one round had feeding problem . there are obvious finishing problems especially of the finer areas near safety , auto slide release did not function smoothly sights were not finished properly . magzine spring is not that good quality and had caused the feeding problem internally the spring guide rod was plastic and did not had a good finish and bolt mechanaism was slightly different and crudely made . but for 25 K it is quite good if i want keep a local clone i will change the magzines to orginal ones( if i could buy them cheeply enough ) would definetly change sights.
in short any body who knows a little about guns cannot be fooled , is only a look alike at distance . if one can afford then tarus PT 99 is really good gun i have it and its good no problem of any sort and at the half price

KageFox
14-06-2009, 08:26 PM
Anyone wishing for a Beretta 92 should go for the Taurus PT92/99, unless they have "slide mounted vs frame mounted safety" issues. The Pt92/99 is just as reliable, if not more, as the Beretta, and at a lower price.

Ahmad
14-06-2009, 10:51 PM
i think this had been discussed in detail in a previous thread. clones have no consistency in quality, depends upon maker but if well made, can serve the role of SD.
cheers

BERETTA M9 9mm
14-06-2009, 11:24 PM
Thats fake


http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/1465/26052640.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/)


Thats original



http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/858/36996543.th.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=PqE820r)

Shariq
15-06-2009, 01:32 AM
Apart from what already said i would like to add that
Clone will never be as reliable or dependable as a real one and certainly won't last long.

wasi
28-06-2009, 02:37 PM
if u r using it for sporting then very fine for u but if u req reliablity then dont even think of it. i owe one had never posed any problem. but my natureof job do not allow me to carry the clone

eljefe
22-09-2009, 07:19 PM
besides the great (reverse) engineering, i must compliment you folks on some excellent photography! and my compliments to the builder.

Silent killerr
23-09-2009, 12:30 PM
good clone

Anthrax
05-10-2009, 09:59 AM
anyone know the current price of these clones? And if possible, please tell me if its available in Lahore and at what price. Thanks

aq4530ba
05-10-2009, 10:21 AM
really good gun, i myslelf got one for 27k. works like a dream! :) quite impressive.

regards.

Usama
06-10-2009, 02:57 PM
really good gun, i myslelf got one for 27k. works like a dream! :) quite impressive.

regards.

The quality might be v.good but you over payed for it..!

aq4530ba
06-10-2009, 05:09 PM
hehe i know... :( oh well, its still an impressive piece! :)

Enigmatic Desires
09-10-2009, 12:38 PM
hehe i know... :( oh well, its still an impressive piece! :)


Sir.. if u like it.. enjoy it. then its worth any price U pay :)

aq4530ba
09-10-2009, 03:10 PM
True bro, very true.. :)

ALI BABA
10-10-2009, 01:08 AM
here is my first toy
http://www.postimage.org/Tsyq879.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/)

aq4530ba
10-10-2009, 01:49 PM
@NOMI, bro i think u bought the lower quality copy... which explains both the FTF and price. There is a copy out there made in darra, which is of lower quality than of that made in the Khyber arms company.. anyways, as long as ur friend is happy with it, its cool! :)

regards

Salahuddin Ayubi
17-10-2009, 07:26 PM
if anybody wants to buy it can go and get it from famous arms in Khi for 19,000 (just quote my name, (Sohail, walther lover)

regards

@Sohail or anyone else for that matter,

Is it still going for 19k in Famous Arms KHI.????

haider5
12-12-2009, 01:34 AM
budy plz tell me ur contct number or id
if anybody wants to buy it can go and get it from famous arms in Khi for 19,000 (just quote my name, (Sohail, walther lover)

regards

haider5
12-12-2009, 01:43 AM
abbas i wana purchase this....pleasse tell me the what is the actual price of this ..i m from karachi

Junnu
14-12-2009, 11:00 AM
Asslam-o-Alaikum all,

Hope u all are fine guys I just have got my NPB Lic. I want to purchse 9mm Berreta92 clone. Can any one plz tell from where I can get it and for how much in Multan. (Name of 3 or 4 arms dealer in Mux.) Regards

maaz221
20-02-2010, 01:41 PM
well i have used the fake one itx awsome!!!!!!!!!

Bilz111
20-02-2010, 02:24 PM
y wud any1 buy clones??????
I wud rather buy an cheap but reliable pistol like cf98 etc rather than going for the clone....are you willing to take chance of using a unreliable clone on ur life????

wasifali89
20-02-2010, 02:31 PM
^^ true

buy a pt92 instead

its double the price but a good gun
u really cant rely in the local clone if u r using it for SD

Usama
20-02-2010, 03:59 PM
y wud any1 buy clones??????
I wud rather buy an cheap but reliable pistol like cf98 etc rather than going for the clone....are you willing to take chance of using a unreliable clone on ur life????

+1

Thaireem
21-02-2010, 11:23 PM
salamalaykum people im new to pak guns as you see i was wondering if the beretta clone was heavey and i also wanted to know which caliber it is best in 9mm or 30 bore because a friend of mine tells me they are chambered in 2 cartridges 30 and 9 please reply asap if u can help because i might buy one

Dr Zakir
22-02-2010, 12:24 AM
Best is in 9 mm

Thaireem
22-02-2010, 03:53 AM
is this beretta clone heavy compared to the original one >?

mlkqsm
23-02-2010, 01:07 AM
its cool to hav 1 . . .can any one tell me the actual price range these days . . . i saw 1 in a shop . .. shop keeper says that its a factor made n different factory's r manufacturing nowadays . .. that was from some sufi company . .. witch company is made best model .. . he quoted 30k to me 4 that . . .plz some one guide me
regards

Ahsanfurqan
27-02-2010, 01:20 PM
@mlkqsm
from which city u r?

mlkqsm
27-02-2010, 05:29 PM
i m from sialkot !

Ahsanfurqan
27-02-2010, 05:35 PM
u try to get this from pindi shamsuddin & sons...they'll gve u warranty too

Thaireem
02-03-2010, 12:52 PM
is the pakistani close heavy ?

Salahuddin Ayubi
02-03-2010, 01:44 PM
is the pakistani close heavy ?

Weight-wise its the same as the original thing (in most cases - depending on the local manufacturer).

zeeshan.pk
20-03-2010, 01:03 AM
Bretta clone made by Khyber arms is the best among all clones of 92Fs

Salahuddin Ayubi
20-03-2010, 09:54 AM
Well I have been hearing very good things about local clones and Idrees Taj sahib posted a very comprehensive review of his local 92fs and in fact seeing the target results, I found his 92fs very accurate. But I did not have a very good experience while range testing three of these local clones in the last two months. All were 92fs clones and all were NIB. Had brilliant finish and I could not point any thing against the finish. The parts inside were though crudely manufactured. So far so good.

However, the range tests were quite hopeless for all three of them. May be those that I tested were all lemons but too many lemons I suppose. There were frequent misfires and failure to feed (At an average 2 out of 20 rounds).

In my standard quick range test I fire while sitting on a chair and with my elbows resting on the table. The purpose is to know the actual performance of a handgun, minimising firer's error. I fire 5 bullets from 10 M, mark them, then fire 5 bullets from 20 M, mark them as well and finally fire another 5 bullets from 30 M. I repeat this procedure twice. I use the standard pistol target with a 1 inch radius bull. Here is the result of Beretta 92fs clone of one of my friends which he bought last week in 16K. Horrible result on target.

http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb136/sualeh/Guns/DSCN5838.jpg

Generally, all good handguns score over 130 in this test. Here, I score a paltry 51 with this pistol. You can see that from 20 , the bullets went way off and 2 are not even on the target. From 30 M, I could not land a single bullet anywhere on the target. :o The recoil was too much as compared to actual 92fs. And most surprisingly, there were sparks coming out of the ejection slot because of which, I did not bother to repeat the test and only fired once.

More or less same was the case with the other two pistols also. May be there are good ones out there as well and I tested the lemons but if the general standard is like this one, I wont recommend any one to trust these pistols for SD unless they have been thoroughly tested on the range by firing at least three hundred rounds.

Kamranwali
20-03-2010, 02:32 PM
@ bilz111 +1

@Salahuddin Ayubi U've said it all sir, or should i say Gilani Sb. :) both i guess and count me in too.

9mm
29-04-2010, 12:55 AM
what is the price of 92fs clone these days ??

n is black better or silver ?

Aquarius
29-04-2010, 01:03 AM
Could be in between 15 to 20K depending on the cities..... :)

Faheem
29-04-2010, 07:15 AM
9mm brother you can get clone of 92FS in 20k easily asking price is 22k......

9mm
29-04-2010, 04:40 PM
thanks faheem bhai fr the tip. bt culd u recommand any good shop ?

9mm
29-04-2010, 04:43 PM
n do u ve any idea wat ll be the cost of extra mags of 92fs clone

bestmagician83
18-05-2010, 09:00 PM
i have also bought pakistani 9mm berrtta its really very good to fire WoW......

9mm
19-05-2010, 05:03 PM
For how much did u get it for ? N which make is it ?

bestmagician83
23-05-2010, 02:24 AM
i got it from pioneer arms for 22k and its made is (GMB) GHULAM MUHAMMAD BADAL for the other shops i was prefered to buy the GMB brand by all

2nd i use both POF and CHINA RED BOX both are good at fire with no miss or jamsthis pistol is really good.

bestmagician83
23-05-2010, 02:33 AM
http://s2.postimage.org/Tx_Ni.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=TsTx_Ni)

http://s3.postimage.org/xGFrS.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=PqxGFrS)

http://s1.postimage.org/5PEer.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gx5PEer)

bestmagician83
23-05-2010, 02:34 AM
here are some pic for you MR. 9MM

9mm
23-05-2010, 03:03 AM
Thanku brother ! N I must say very nice buy ! Very good finish ! Congrats !
I'm also planing to go for this one ! Jst waiting for license !

9mm
23-05-2010, 03:08 AM
Did u also check the market fr the khyber arms made ?
I hear it's also vry good quality !

Pistol
23-05-2010, 07:25 AM
http://s1.postimage.org/5PEer.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gx5PEer)

Brother very nice piece. Looks like original.

Finger on the trigger and cartridge ready to be chambered......... a recipe for disaster.

Stay safe brother....

Aquarius
23-05-2010, 10:35 AM
Nice looking clone there..... :)

Salahuddin Ayubi
23-05-2010, 10:45 AM
i got it from pioneer arms for 22k and its made is (GMB) GHULAM MUHAMMAD BADAL for the other shops i was prefered to buy the GMB brand by all

2nd i use both POF and CHINA RED BOX both are good at fire with no miss or jamsthis pistol is really good.

Do not use POF MKIIZ in your clone as there consistent use will have a detrimental effect on this clone's barrel. Chinese rounds will be good for it.

Faheem
23-05-2010, 10:50 AM
bestmagician83 many congratulations for purchasing new beretta clone.... I am adding +1 in SA brother dont try any experiment with this clone, simply use Chinese rounds I hope it will not create any problem.....

Aquarius
23-05-2010, 11:09 AM
Did u also check the market fr the khyber arms made ?
I hear it's also vry good quality !

Khyber Arms Beretta clone is for 25K.. quality depends on your luck.. you may get a very good piece or end up buying a lemon... :)

9mm
23-05-2010, 12:24 PM
Ur rite aquarius ! Bt the price ur telling is way high !
About 2 weeks baq I checkd the prices n kyber arms made was fr 20k.
Other mades were cheaper !

I guess prices r different frm city to city !

ARlover
23-05-2010, 01:25 PM
my beretta clone work fine till last three years :)

Thaireem
23-05-2010, 03:24 PM
what does the pakistani made beretta weigh ?

bestmagician83
23-05-2010, 11:50 PM
Dear 9MM would u like to tell me the procedure for making the new license, i have sipmly transfered my father's inyo my name.

Yes dear i have also checked for thr khyber's arm but yar i didnt find that one so so as compare to this one Actually is was looking for the BLACK one, but the finishing of the BLACK did not satisified me any more

bestmagician83
23-05-2010, 11:53 PM
Dear MR. PISTOL Thanks for your appriceation

Finger on the trigger and cartridge ready to be chambered is looks like that you are absolutely ready to FIRE.......

bestmagician83
23-05-2010, 11:54 PM
Very thanks MR. Aquarius

bestmagician83
23-05-2010, 11:59 PM
Thanks Alot FAHEEM
well you and MR. SA both are recommanding me for not to use POF as i found POF is also good plz xplain me why not to use POF for this Clone

bestmagician83
24-05-2010, 12:01 AM
Dear Thaireem: i put the original in my right hand and pakistani in left hand the weight was equally same and for my surprise they look same to same

HammadArshad
24-05-2010, 12:30 AM
@bestmagician83 Bro, First of all welcome to Pakguns, and many congratulations on this clone. As I myself have seen many clones in the market but found very less to be of better quality.

Now come to the thing that you asked about POF MKIIZ rounds, dear sir, if you read some more in the forum then you will come to know these rounds are actually +p+ rounds, that are meant for Pakistani military's MP5 mostly and as our local made pistols can't hold the hotter loads so, that is the reason that using them in a clone is not advisable.

And finally about your picture where you have on round ready to chamber and finger on trigger, :) dear sir, maybe you are very good at pistols and have done so much practice, but still safety comes first. So, it is a humble suggestion that please avoid doing anything that can cause you an accident.

Regards,

9mm
24-05-2010, 12:45 AM
Dear bestmagician83
I don kno the normal procedure !
Bt u can gt it made thru a reputable dealer !


Btw Can u tel wat was the price of khyber arms made ?
Last I checkd the askin price was 20k.

Aquarius
24-05-2010, 12:58 AM
Dear bestmagician83
I don kno the normal procedure !
Bt u can gt it made thru a reputable dealer !


Btw Can u tel wat was the price of khyber arms made ?
Last I checkd the askin price was 20k.

20K is the price of their older models Beretta clones.. the newer ones are better than those according to them, but still I won't recommend any PakGun members to buy it, until one has a lot of experience of checking it thoroughly for any flaw..... :)

Thaireem
24-05-2010, 11:41 AM
Thank you bestmagician83 for answering my question i would also like to ask what holster would be suitable for this

ARlover
24-05-2010, 03:11 PM
m9 Beretta clone for 32 k

ALI GUJJAR
24-05-2010, 05:52 PM
@ ARlover
can u tell me whear

bestmagician83
24-05-2010, 06:26 PM
Dear 9mm Khyber Arms Clone is also around 20k in khi

bestmagician83
24-05-2010, 06:38 PM
Dear Hammad, thanks for welcome and congraz

before buying it i searched the whole market at saddar and also asked from the different dealers in khi mostly i saw each and every piece made by KHYBER ARMS and GMB BRAND, i found GMB was better the KHYBER. so i buy GMB

And 2nd thing is about the Bullet of POF is that i asked from many dealers but one of dealer told me about which POF bullet is to be use in this clone

He told me that there are 2 types of 9mm Bullets POF is making 1# for MP5 and 2# for 9MM PARA. PARA is the specific word only use for 9mm.

Another thing he told me that once he sold an original Brazil Clone to a person he came back to the dealer with a busted barrel of that clone, the reason was that the Bullet was use by that person is of MP5 not for 9MM PARA.

Dealer told me f u want to use POF then go for PARA otherwise China red box is the best.

bestmagician83
24-05-2010, 06:44 PM
Well Mr. Thaireem i bought the parashot one with 22 rounds belt in Black One Pistol in this holster looks good

ARlover
24-05-2010, 06:44 PM
@ ARlover
can u tell me whear
@ALI GUJJAR
sarwerjaved&co ravi road lahore rasool khan shop :)

ALI GUJJAR
25-05-2010, 05:28 PM
@ ARlover
thanks

wasi
22-06-2010, 11:04 PM
I got my clone from the maker directly from Darra. He offered me two version, one was sami automatic costin 15 k and the other burst **********. I went for the earlier one. brought it home try to exchange the part with the original bretta i had but the were not fitting. I took it to range fired around 50 rounds no jams or FTF,FTE. So far have fired around 350 rounds absolutely no problems. Ammunition was of POF both version poses no problems.

Please no need to discuss about the Auto weapons.
Mod

Aquarius
22-06-2010, 11:17 PM
Thats very nice experience with such a reliable clone wasi brother, but which part you wanted to exchange with the original Beretta and why did you want to exchange it.?

Salahuddin Ayubi
23-06-2010, 12:08 PM
@ Wasi,

Do post some snaps of your clone along with name of dealer of everyone's info.

noumanzaidi
23-06-2010, 12:16 PM
yea snaps will be more self explanatory

Usama
23-06-2010, 01:27 PM
Dear Hammad, thanks for welcome and congraz

before buying it i searched the whole market at saddar and also asked from the different dealers in khi mostly i saw each and every piece made by KHYBER ARMS and GMB BRAND, i found GMB was better the KHYBER. so i buy GMB

And 2nd thing is about the Bullet of POF is that i asked from many dealers but one of dealer told me about which POF bullet is to be use in this clone

He told me that there are 2 types of 9mm Bullets POF is making 1# for MP5 and 2# for 9MM PARA. PARA is the specific word only use for 9mm.

Another thing he told me that once he sold an original Brazil Clone to a person he came back to the dealer with a busted barrel of that clone, the reason was that the Bullet was use by that person is of MP5 not for 9MM PARA.

Dealer told me f u want to use POF then go for PARA otherwise China red box is the best.

As per my knowledge POF makes two types of 9mm bullets POF 1Z and Second One POF 2Z And
POF 2Z (which is also used in MP5) is extensively used by our senior members Such Gillani Sahab..
Never heard anything like that before.. :rolleyes:

Aijaz Hussain
23-06-2010, 03:49 PM
there are many talented people in Pakistan, we have to redirect them on more profitable way. we can make beretta, Glock and most of the guns as exact as real, so why Govt. try to make its own Brand which can recognize internationally. Like India made its own assault rifle (INSAS 5.56mm assault rifle) & Israeli GALIL rifle.

check this pakistani made beretta : http://www.flickr.com/photos/35309730@N06/3334238031/in/set-72157623086192332/

PUNJTANI5
24-06-2010, 10:39 AM
wow abbas

you have got a beauty with u
nice look
stunning features

i am officially impressed with your beretta

Ahsan Tauheed
24-06-2010, 10:55 AM
Dear Hammad, thanks for welcome and congraz

before buying it i searched the whole market at saddar and also asked from the different dealers in khi mostly i saw each and every piece made by KHYBER ARMS and GMB BRAND, i found GMB was better the KHYBER. so i buy GMB

And 2nd thing is about the Bullet of POF is that i asked from many dealers but one of dealer told me about which POF bullet is to be use in this clone

He told me that there are 2 types of 9mm Bullets POF is making 1# for MP5 and 2# for 9MM PARA. PARA is the specific word only use for 9mm.

Another thing he told me that once he sold an original Brazil Clone to a person he came back to the dealer with a busted barrel of that clone, the reason was that the Bullet was use by that person is of MP5 not for 9MM PARA.

Dealer told me f u want to use POF then go for PARA otherwise China red box is the best.

As per my knowledge POF makes two types of 9mm bullets POF 1Z and Second One POF 2Z And
POF 2Z (which is also used in MP5) is extensively used by our senior members Such Gillani Sahab..
Never heard anything like that before.. :rolleyes:


+100 :o :o :o

ay_be_why
24-06-2010, 11:04 AM
@ Usama and Ahsan bhaees, I think the dealer meant 1Z and 2Z by saying #1 and #2. If I remember correctly from Sir Gilani and Sir Skeeter60's descussions, the 2Z is a hotter round aimed primarily at the SMG. So it could blow up the barrel of a desi handgun due to being hotter and the barrels being low-quality...

Topak
24-06-2010, 11:58 AM
@ Usama and Ahsan bhaees, I think the dealer meant 1Z and 2Z by saying #1 and #2. If I remember correctly from Sir Gilani and Sir Skeeter60's descussions, the 2Z is a hotter round aimed primarily at the SMG. So it could blow up the barrel of a desi handgun due to being hotter and the barrels being low-quality...
i second you A B Y.
LEA are using them...

Usama
24-06-2010, 03:06 PM
Dear Hammad, thanks for welcome and congraz

before buying it i searched the whole market at saddar and also asked from the different dealers in khi mostly i saw each and every piece made by KHYBER ARMS and GMB BRAND, i found GMB was better the KHYBER. so i buy GMB

And 2nd thing is about the Bullet of POF is that i asked from many dealers but one of dealer told me about which POF bullet is to be use in this clone

He told me that there are 2 types of 9mm Bullets POF is making 1# for MP5 and 2# for 9MM PARA. PARA is the specific word only use for 9mm.

Another thing he told me that once he sold an original Brazil Clone to a person he came back to the dealer with a busted barrel of that clone, the reason was that the Bullet was use by that person is of MP5 not for 9MM PARA.

Dealer told me f u want to use POF then go for PARA otherwise China red box is the best.

As per my knowledge POF makes two types of 9mm bullets POF 1Z and Second One POF 2Z And
POF 2Z (which is also used in MP5) is extensively used by our senior members Such Gillani Sahab..
Never heard anything like that before.. :rolleyes:

+100 :o :o :o

Bro you mentioned ORIGINAL BRAZIL CLONE earlier not desi anyways a desi gun can malfunction any time in my view.

wasi
04-07-2010, 09:42 AM
Thats very nice experience with such a reliable clone wasi brother, but which part you wanted to exchange with the original Beretta and why did you want to exchange it.?
off course the first part is the slide , it did not fit in , rather it never went in

wasi
04-07-2010, 09:56 AM
@ Wasi,

Do post some snaps of your clone along with name of dealer of everyone's info.
really dont know the name of dealer i was taken there by my friend will check it out for u guys.
http://s1.postimage.org/uoIDi.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gxuoIDi)

aldofhitler
07-07-2010, 11:02 PM
my friend purchased clone . just like this. 18 k

Y.Khan
08-07-2010, 02:46 PM
if anybody wants to buy it can go and get it from famous arms in Khi for 19,000 (just quote my name, (Sohail, walther lover)

regards


Salam aleikum brother

Just moved back to pakistan after living in germany, could you help me out. I need some help buying some handguns, anything go'es.

i can be contacted af brabus58@hotmail.com

Thanks bro

Best regards
Younas Khan

javed354
08-07-2010, 03:30 PM
if anybody wants to buy it can go and get it from famous arms in Khi for 19,000 (just quote my name, (Sohail, walther lover)

regards


Salam aleikum brother

Just moved back to pakistan after living in germany, could you help me out. I need some help buying some handguns, anything go'es.

i can be contacted af brabus58@hotmail.com

Thanks bro

Best regards
Younas Khan
Dear Y.Khan Brother, Please update your location. then our PakGuns experts will be able to guide you properly. because rates are not same in Pakistan.

exceptional_leo
08-07-2010, 06:17 PM
its good to know that everybody's clones are working well. but what about the rusted barrels. i bought a 9mm desi in 2005, its barrel became too too rusty after some time. disposed it off recently to gain some space in my almirah. :)

Y.Khan
08-07-2010, 06:34 PM
if anybody wants to buy it can go and get it from famous arms in Khi for 19,000 (just quote my name, (Sohail, walther lover)

regards


Salam aleikum brother

Just moved back to pakistan after living in germany, could you help me out. I need some help buying some handguns, anything go'es.

i can be contacted af brabus58@hotmail.com

Thanks bro

Best regards
Younas Khan
Dear Y.Khan Brother, Please update your location. then our PakGuns experts will be able to guide you properly. because rates are not same in Pakistan.


Salam brother

Here you go, im from Lahore. I'm interessted buying almost any handgun minimum 9mm.


best regards to all brothers

Younas

ay_be_why
08-07-2010, 07:47 PM
its good to know that everybody's clones are working well. but what about the rusted barrels. i bought a 9mm desi in 2005, its barrel became too too rusty after some time. disposed it off recently to gain some space in my almirah. :)

Bhaee see if this helps:

http://www.pakguns.com/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=141037#p141037

msm
08-07-2010, 10:39 PM
25k for a desi clone :( when CF98 and Zastava M57 are around 30k. dont you guys think we are paying alot for local clones

SAJJAD ALI
09-07-2010, 02:46 AM
here in Jacobabad the price of 92 clone is 17k to 18k.most of them are khyber arms made.

Faheem
09-07-2010, 07:13 AM
25k for a desi clone :( when CF98 and Zastava M57 are around 30k. dont you guys think we are paying alot for local clones

Go for CF98 its 100% better than any clone .......

SPAYPANTHER
09-07-2010, 10:06 AM
+1 Faheem

Salahuddin Ayubi
09-07-2010, 01:02 PM
Formalities are there.

You need an NIC, then an Arms License and only then would any gun dealer sell you a weapon.

Y.Khan
09-07-2010, 04:06 PM
Salam Brothers

Anyone got a 9mm gun for sale, i'll give a good price.
contact me at brabus58@hotmail.com

Best regards Younas Khan

Y.Khan
09-07-2010, 04:07 PM
Formalities are there.

You need an NIC, then an Arms License and only then would any gun dealer sell you a weapon.


Ok thanks a lot for information :-)

Younas

msm
09-07-2010, 06:49 PM
@ faheem
101 % agreed CF98 is better than any clone. but iam a 7.62x25 guy, according to me Zastava M57 is better than CF98 ;)

wasifali89
09-07-2010, 10:44 PM
@ faheem
101 % agreed CF98 is better than any clone. but iam a 7.62x25 guy, according to me Zastava M57 is better than CF98 ;)

thats something i kind ov like, the RUSSIAN times lovers and the adorability of thier armoury

wasifali89
09-07-2010, 11:37 PM
@all who are looking to buy one


a person told me that there is some issue with the silver clones in terms of its metallurgy, so he advised me to buy the black one

i really dont know why he said that and he also dint knew this answer, but i would love if someone comments on this

aschandio
19-08-2010, 12:05 PM
although my experience of clone is better one but guys blv me when u pick a genuine gun u will have a different feel. in my view clone is not reliable specially when u carry a gun for safety purpose.

Ali Bhai
19-08-2010, 06:18 PM
oh yeah thats true when u pick a genuine gun u feel more safe

imranmakoowala
21-08-2010, 03:59 PM
hi friends,

i have breatta clone fs 92 with short barrel with mark PSF .
shopkeeper tell me that the centurion model someone tells me
it's comes on short barrel.

thanks.

PakiDon786
26-08-2010, 03:09 AM
salam brothers ..............................im 17 (almost 18) i wanted to know where can i get one of these ??? and what will be the procedure to procure a license for one of these ??

any help will be appreciated ..................TAHNK YOU BROS !!!

bestmagician83
26-08-2010, 12:36 PM
salam brothers ..............................im 17 (almost 18) i wanted to know where can i get one of these ??? and what will be the procedure to procure a license for one of these ??

any help will be appreciated ..................TAHNK YOU BROS !!!

Dear Fellow,
as you are just 18 so for this age it is quite difficlut for getting arms license b/c when you go for license the person may be ask you that why are u making this and for wat perpose or why u need a weapon in just age of 18, many questions like that, 2nd thing you must have enough money for license and then purchasing the weapon although there are some stages as well where in the license procedure which may be find to solve difficlut for examply like police verification etc.

so my advice is to you that grown up 1st do a good job and then apply for the arm license it would be more better for you in the Adult age.

And yar i think 18 is not the for having Arms with you enjoy you college life and the universty life then go for a good job and then come for it.

I wish u best of luck for ur studies.

gun_craze
26-08-2010, 02:05 PM
+1 bestmagician83

pakidon, u know ur age is to play with guns but with PS2 or Xbox...I believe don't even think to have a gun right now...just concentrate on ur studies.

gun_craze
26-08-2010, 02:23 PM
@ wasifali89,

I just (yesterday) bought 92FS (silver color), I made a research of 4-5 days about this gun and found every dealer , friends was in favor of this piece (as for as clones of Pakistan are concern). doesn't find any thing that black is better than silver.

bestmagician83
26-08-2010, 10:26 PM
@ wasifali89,

I just (yesterday) bought 92FS (silver color), I made a research of 4-5 days about this gun and found every dealer , friends was in favor of this piece (as for as clones of Pakistan are concern). doesn't find any thing that black is better than silver.

yar i also have the same in silver finishing, my mind was to get the black one but i did not take b/c beforing buying it in lahore i went for the vication i saw a black one in one of the ELETE COMMANDO's hand the thing is saw that " us pistol ka color utra gaya tha yar" and was gaving very bad looks.

gun_craze
26-08-2010, 11:54 PM
@ bestmagician

yes u r right i had also seen black pieces with faded colors...ab pata nai silver ka kia scene hai.
By the way wat about ur gun any jams or FTF

Crazy Shooter
27-08-2010, 12:35 AM
PakiDon you are not even 18 :P though I am not against having a gun in this age because I had guns even when I was younger but thats not something to feel proud of my advise to you just wait for an year or two and thn apply for a license meanwhile you can ask you elder bro / father to take you with them to some place where you can learn how to handle a gun and everything one needs to know when using a firearm be aware this is not a toy a single mistake can make you regret your whole life guns are not like what they show in movies they are dangerous , and when you start start from an air gun thn from some small caliber bolt action action rifle like .22 :) enjoy your life

jagga
27-08-2010, 02:28 AM
i go to pakistan every year went in 2008 and tried 4 different pakistani made 9mm pistols which all could not hit the side of a barn door from 5 feet away they were useless and none of them managed to empty a full magazine without jamming.All the guns were returned to the dealer and i told him i would rather carry a stick than any of that rubbish.anyway my days had nearly all been spent and i told the dealer to get me something pakistani made which i would like and you have a full year to do it because im going back to UK tomorrow and wont be back for 12 months.

A few months later he dropped off a beretta 9mm clone to my house,so when i got back to pakistan in 2009 i saw the pistol for the first time and much to my surprise it looked like it could have been made on a machine no hand tool marks or jagged edges etc.i was very eager to test what looked like a changa purzah
so put a brick on the floor about 30 feet away and could hit it with ease lovely smooth and steady trigger this thing didnt feel like a desi gun and would cycle very smoothly
so i put the brick out at about what looked to me to be at least 90 feet i was told by my cousin it was 10 marleh distance and i could hit the brick 50/50 of the time or miss by 2 or 3 inches at the most.

i put about 300 rounds through this with no issues
much to my surprise my cousin who is absolutely useless at aiming after i explained to him how to hold and sight the gun and squeeze the trigger he hit the brick from 10 marleh away with his first shot. this gun handled far better than my expectations of course there may be differences between one piece or another but if you get a good one you will not be dissapointed

changah purzah paid 18k from gill arms dealer mian channu great bloke and a great gun

of course you could buy a real one for more than ten times the price 200k but its not gonna be ten times better than a good clone

bestmagician83
27-08-2010, 05:10 AM
@ bestmagician

yes u r right i had also seen black pieces with faded colors...ab pata nai silver ka kia scene hai.
By the way wat about ur gun any jams or FTF

sir jee phelay tou ap humain is FTF ka matlab samjhao.

Crazy Shooter
27-08-2010, 05:44 AM
@ bestmagician

yes u r right i had also seen black pieces with faded colors...ab pata nai silver ka kia scene hai.
By the way wat about ur gun any jams or FTF

sir jee phelay tou ap humain is FTF ka matlab samjhao.

FTF = Failure to Feed
FTE= Failure to Eject

nouman1980
27-08-2010, 11:24 AM
i want to purchase this gun in islamabad, can any one help me out.

bestmagician83
28-08-2010, 01:26 PM
@ bestmagician

yes u r right i had also seen black pieces with faded colors...ab pata nai silver ka kia scene hai.
By the way wat about ur gun any jams or FTF

sir jee phelay tou ap humain is FTF ka matlab samjhao.

FTF = Failure to Feed
FTE= Failure to Eject

Sir jee filhal tou koi problem nahi hay its working very fine i m enjoying it but lets see wat will happen next but i think it will be not be creat any big problem.

PakiDon786
29-08-2010, 08:08 PM
+1 bestmagician83

pakidon, u know ur age is to play with guns but with PS2 or Xbox...I believe don't even think to have a gun right now...just concentrate on ur studies.


i appreciate ur help gun_craze ..............but i dnt play xbox or ps ................i just love guns very very much ..............i was just thinkin of the legal requirements for obtaining a firearm (for myself) ................ANYWAY GUN_CRAZE THANK YOU !!

Khitran
30-09-2010, 07:56 PM
can anyone tell me from where i can buy the beretta clone in Punjab.?

gun_craze
30-09-2010, 11:09 PM
Welcom Khitran Bro...which city in Punjab???

Khitran
01-10-2010, 06:52 PM
Multan, Dera Ghazi Khan, Lahore or any other city.....

thepatriot
01-10-2010, 10:14 PM
welcome bro khitran. At Multan, I've seen two clones of beretta 92fs, one in oxidized browning and other with steel finish, some clones of smith and wesson, and real nice clone of cz100 at Majeed and sons, about a month ago...

alinazier
12-06-2012, 12:15 PM
sajjad can you contact me on my email address alinazier@gmail.com

alinazier
12-06-2012, 01:15 PM
i really appreciate the last golden words' para.

HussainAli
12-06-2012, 01:20 PM
Dear Ali Nazier Bro, Please note that this is almost 3 years thread, you may hard to find in regards to what you are looking for after such a long time....

And in your last post you have mentioned some "Golden Para" kindly elaborate to which post seems golden to you bro.

Regards

alinazier
12-06-2012, 01:53 PM
@ Hussain Ali, here is "last para"

And finally about your picture where you have on round ready to chamber and finger on trigger, :) dear sir, maybe you are very good at pistols and have done so much practice, but still safety comes first. So, it is a humble suggestion that please avoid doing anything that can cause you an accident.

alinazier
12-06-2012, 01:55 PM
i have read here more or less 200 posts about the performance of khyber arms and sajjad has also beretta 92fs khyber arms clone, so i also want to buy a 92fs clone with best result coz i dont wana waste my more money in respect of real one beretta which has value of Rs.2,50,000/- to 3,00,000/-.

Enigmatic Desires
13-06-2012, 08:34 PM
In Karachi its availabe for 19k in different sizes at Ammar And co while their distributors in Lahore are Majeed and co

HussainAli
13-06-2012, 09:18 PM
@ Hussain Ali, here is "last para"

And finally about your picture where you have on round ready to chamber and finger on trigger, :) dear sir, maybe you are very good at pistols and have done so much practice, but still safety comes first. So, it is a humble suggestion that please avoid doing anything that can cause you an accident.

Got it, thanks to clear....

Regards

SAJJAD ALI
16-06-2012, 04:06 AM
alinazier i bought 92fs clone some 4 years ago at that time khyber arms were making good pistols but now they have reduced there quality,so my advise is to skip buying any clone.wait for some time pof baretta is coming to khi market in few months cost around 35 to 40k.

alinazier
17-06-2012, 03:50 AM
@ Sajjad Thanx dear but at that time i mean how much time you used local clone what was experience with said gun?

SAJJAD ALI
18-06-2012, 05:45 AM
i have fired more then 1000 rounds from these clones in 4 years also faced some FTF and FTE.i think these clones are just for fun shooting not for SD.if you are seriously intrested then check moonstar and khyber arms clones.

Asif Ali
18-06-2012, 12:27 PM
alinazier i bought 92fs clone some 4 years ago at that time khyber arms were making good pistols but now they have reduced there quality,so my advise is to skip buying any clone.wait for some time pof baretta is coming to khi market in few months cost around 35 to 40k.
Bro. Is it 100% confirmed that POF Beretta is coming? How can you sure i mean source of this good news?

alinazier
18-06-2012, 12:33 PM
yup if the pof beretta is coming thn its a big good news for firearms lovers.

Enigmatic Desires
20-06-2012, 02:49 AM
I have seen a slightly smaller version of the Khyber arms 92f. Its waight, fit and feel felt just right in my hands. I really liked it a lot. Asking 19k..

But well it is a clone.. While I did buy a KAC (double) pump winchester clone last week. I dont know if I have the guts to try their pistol as well.

doc pistol
20-06-2012, 11:30 PM
I have seen a slightly smaller version of the Khyber arms 92f. Its waight, fit and feel felt just right in my hands. I really liked it a lot. Asking 19k..

But well it is a clone.. While I did buy a KAC (double) pump winchester clone last week. I dont know if I have the guts to try their pistol as well.

there is a very basic difference in the mechanism of a pump and a semi automatic weapon such as a pistol even. local pump clone can be reliable but i wouldnt risk 19k on a clone even if i have that money to throw away. if it turns out a lemon or fails when needed then wats the use.

Enigmatic Desires
21-06-2012, 01:54 AM
Thats presisely why I shied away. It could or could not be a lemon. Cant say.. But damn if any gun has every fit in my hand that little 92 did. Incidentaly I have also checked moonstar's stuff. They are suposed to have the best looking 92 clones in hte market. But after checking their manufecturing facility on youtube I have my doubts on their internals.

doc pistol
21-06-2012, 05:15 PM
Thats presisely why I shied away. It could or could not be a lemon. Cant say.. But damn if any gun has every fit in my hand that little 92 did. Incidentaly I have also checked moonstar's stuff. They are suposed to have the best looking 92 clones in hte market. But after checking their manufecturing facility on youtube I have my doubts on their internals.

have you checked caracal c? it should be a good fit in your hand. yes it does cost more. but ull buy a reliable weapon once in your life and it ll last a lifetime. cheaper than that are canik, cougar sarsilmaz. they all are good reliable accurate and long lasting weapons.

Enigmatic Desires
21-06-2012, 11:17 PM
Caracal is not my cup of tea. No Control Lever (Manual safety/decocker) No external safety and polymer frame. No Hammer either. I prefer full metal weapons with external hammers and control levers.

I was thinking along the lines of a used CF 98, even though it has a polymer frame. But even those are around 35k or so

sadatpk
22-06-2012, 10:09 PM
welcome bro khitran. At Multan, I've seen two clones of beretta 92fs, one in oxidized browning and other with steel finish, some clones of smith and wesson, and real nice clone of cz100 at Majeed and sons, about a month ago...
pls show ur e mail address sir

doc pistol
22-06-2012, 11:29 PM
Caracal is not my cup of tea. No Control Lever (Manual safety/decocker) No external safety and polymer frame. No Hammer either. I prefer full metal weapons with external hammers and control levers.

I was thinking along the lines of a used CF 98, even though it has a polymer frame. But even those are around 35k or so

wats your max price limit

Enigmatic Desires
23-06-2012, 01:25 AM
27k or so...

I did see a CF in that range, but the chap's license was in his uncle's name and his uncle had died. My dealer told me not to go for it.

doc pistol
23-06-2012, 11:24 PM
27k or so...

I did see a CF in that range, but the chap's license was in his uncle's name and his uncle had died. My dealer told me not to go for it.

hmmmmmmm thats kinda trickey. 27k or so. in that price u can get a TT. frankly speaking its time tested, tried in war also, found reliable robust and accurate. go for it. slim, easy co conceal. i think its a better deal than any clone.

Enigmatic Desires
24-06-2012, 05:34 PM
hmmmmmmm thats kinda trickey. 27k or so. in that price u can get a TT. frankly speaking its time tested, tried in war also, found reliable robust and accurate. go for it. slim, easy co conceal. i think its a better deal than any clone.

Actually TTs in Karachi (Types 54 & 636) are available at 20k asking. And a 636 display piece was available at 15k. However i dont like TTS cause of their almost complete lack of any safety features whatsoever.

Ahmad82
24-06-2012, 05:40 PM
Sir can you tell me where from i get and what is the price?
Salams everyone, there has been a lot of interest recently about copies of Beretta's, Glock's etc

So I asked a friend to get me one of the 'clones' so that I can have a close look to prevent any PakGuns member from getting duped. Now the dilemma is, the apparent fake one looks so damn good that I am in two minds if my friend was messing with me by giving me an original or have Pakistan's Gun makers become so fabulous at making guns !

Have a look, if this is a Pakistani copy, I really am proud of it. Either way I'm keeping this :cool:


http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii99/AbbasMalik/Beretta1.jpg

http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii99/AbbasMalik/Beretta2.jpg

http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii99/AbbasMalik/Beretta3.jpg

http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii99/AbbasMalik/Beretta4.jpg

http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii99/AbbasMalik/Beretta5.jpg


For comparison I have put a Taurus PT 99 next to it. Keep in mind that the Beretta is a older model 92 FS (dull finish) while the Taurus (Chrome Finish) is a improved version of the original 92 design.


http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii99/AbbasMalik/Beretta6.jpg

http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii99/AbbasMalik/Beretta7.jpg

http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii99/AbbasMalik/Beretta8.jpg


I could not fire it as much as I would have liked to but I did let off about 25 rounds. Sounded good/solid, no misfire or jams while firing POF 9mm even though the inside of the barrel was in a deplorable condition and I was half expecting the barrel to burst after a continuous fire of 25 rounds. It did not.

If this is the copy doing the rounds for 20 K, buy it ! I would get 5 just to hang on my wall as a decoration.

doc pistol
24-06-2012, 06:47 PM
Actually TTs in Karachi (Types 54 & 636) are available at 20k asking. And a 636 display piece was available at 15k. However i dont like TTS cause of their almost complete lack of any safety features whatsoever.

then i suggest wait for a while and raise your budget to about 45k n get cf98 or some of the canik series.

Enigmatic Desires
24-06-2012, 11:29 PM
Since I lost my job recently. I have been trying to curtail my expenses for sometime. If I can find a used CF in reasonable condition It might be worth my while to go for it.

Asif Ali
25-06-2012, 03:24 PM
@ED
Bro. its a very bad news that you lost the jobhttp://www.pakguns.com/images/icons/icon9.png
Do you already own a handgun, if yes, you can defer the buying option till some time. And if no, then for Self Defense usage, please buy NIB.

Asif Ali
25-06-2012, 04:24 PM
27k or so...

I did see a CF in that range, but the chap's license was in his uncle's name and his uncle had died. My dealer told me not to go for it.

Bro. if you are buying this CF98 directly from current owner, then you can go for that if the license is transferred in the name of one of his sons. If not transferred yet then you cannot buy it. Process of Transfer of weapon license to legal heir is not so complicated.

Enigmatic Desires
25-06-2012, 08:16 PM
nopes it had not been transferred. As such I have given m number to some dealers. If they come accross such a peice then to let me know.

Enigmatic Desires
25-06-2012, 08:17 PM
@ED
Bro. its a very bad news that you lost the jobhttp://www.pakguns.com/images/icons/icon9.png
Do you already own a handgun, if yes, you can defer the buying option till some time. And if no, then for Self Defense usage, please buy NIB.

No i dont own a hand gun right now. Thats why I wanted something a little less expensive

Mig
25-06-2012, 09:12 PM
Since I lost my job recently. I have been trying to curtail my expenses for sometime. If I can find a used CF in reasonable condition It might be worth my while to go for it.

You will get one again do not worry :) Though I myself searching for one too to start my professional career. Wait, for some time to increase the saver and get a better one.

Enigmatic Desires
25-06-2012, 09:22 PM
Thing is I had better options. but I got greedy and started saving up for em.. soooo this time I am thinking of buying hte 1st thing i get my hands on

Ahmad82
27-06-2012, 04:38 PM
MY ID IS ghulamahmad82@gmail.com
please get me back

Salams everyone, there has been a lot of interest recently about copies of Beretta's, Glock's etc

So I asked a friend to get me one of the 'clones' so that I can have a close look to prevent any PakGuns member from getting duped. Now the dilemma is, the apparent fake one looks so damn good that I am in two minds if my friend was messing with me by giving me an original or have Pakistan's Gun makers become so fabulous at making guns !

Have a look, if this is a Pakistani copy, I really am proud of it. Either way I'm keeping this :cool:


http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii99/AbbasMalik/Beretta1.jpg

http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii99/AbbasMalik/Beretta2.jpg

http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii99/AbbasMalik/Beretta3.jpg

http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii99/AbbasMalik/Beretta4.jpg

http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii99/AbbasMalik/Beretta5.jpg


For comparison I have put a Taurus PT 99 next to it. Keep in mind that the Beretta is a older model 92 FS (dull finish) while the Taurus (Chrome Finish) is a improved version of the original 92 design.


http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii99/AbbasMalik/Beretta6.jpg

http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii99/AbbasMalik/Beretta7.jpg

http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii99/AbbasMalik/Beretta8.jpg


I could not fire it as much as I would have liked to but I did let off about 25 rounds. Sounded good/solid, no misfire or jams while firing POF 9mm even though the inside of the barrel was in a deplorable condition and I was half expecting the barrel to burst after a continuous fire of 25 rounds. It did not.

If this is the copy doing the rounds for 20 K, buy it ! I would get 5 just to hang on my wall as a decoration.

Enigmatic Desires
27-06-2012, 04:42 PM
You will get one again do not worry :) Though I myself searching for one too to start my professional career. Wait, for some time to increase the saver and get a better one.

Eh.. U need a handgun to start your proffesional career :O.. . Mig Bhai Mig Bhai. exactly what career do U have in mind???

Ahmad82
14-07-2012, 12:01 PM
If its not real y that man will return it back from you
hye guys i have something interesting to tell one of my friend was going to buy an automatic beretta 92 clone he didnt knew that it was a clone (my friend has a good knowledge of weapons) and he tested it with 60 rounds 4 mags worked very accurate he took weapon from the guy who was selling and went to the market the guy who was selling this automatic weapon told him that he is selling it for 110000 and wen he took his weapon to the market all the dealers said it is gr8 and for this price (110000) it is excellent and finally he went to haris were he deals everytime haris said wonderful but wen he opened and checked it properly he came accross to know it was a clone haris said sell it to me for 40000..my friend went back to that guy who was selling this weapon and returned...so clones working in automatic sounds good

tokrev33
15-07-2012, 10:37 PM
brother please stay away from khyber arms my extractor broooke after 80 rounds

Enigmatic Desires
16-07-2012, 12:30 AM
Considering the fact that my Khyber arms "expert" brand shotgun fell apart withut firing even a single shot. i think KAC should be completely boycotted!! Or may be its a couple of lemons out of soo many they produce

SAJJAD ALI
18-07-2012, 08:51 PM
I have a expert KAC pump action shot gun never faced any problem with that fired more then 200 rounds,

Enigmatic Desires
20-07-2012, 04:01 PM
I have a expert KAC pump action shot gun never faced any problem with that fired more then 200 rounds,

Would that be with wooden furniture or the plastic one? Mine is wooden and comes with a spring loaded front grip

SAJJAD ALI
05-09-2012, 05:32 AM
Would that be with wooden furniture or the plastic one? Mine is wooden and comes with a spring loaded front grip

here is mine

Enigmatic Desires
05-09-2012, 11:08 AM
Sajjad Bhai. Your expert is completely different from my expert. I didn't even know they had multiple 'experts' around.

SAJJAD ALI
05-09-2012, 11:39 PM
Sajjad Bhai. Your expert is completely different from my expert. I didn't even know they had multiple 'experts' around.
I bought this expert some 5 years ago paid 10k.it is very light weight.

Enigmatic Desires
06-09-2012, 01:13 AM
Mine is quite heavy..have U seen the pics?

SAJJAD ALI
06-09-2012, 02:15 AM
yes ED bhai i have seen the pics in another forum.you are right KAC makes very very good werapons some 5 or 4 years back but now they have reduced there quality.i have seen new experts in market but there is a huge difference between newer and older once.

Enigmatic Desires
06-09-2012, 02:18 AM
They used to offer a one year warrenty on their products. Had hteir own website. Were on U tube.. Wanted to export their products... an then Pfft. I have no idea why... But apparently the whole company just fizzled out quality wise at least... :(