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CANIK55
21-11-2011, 11:46 AM
Is any russian made TT available in pakistan .If i get one what should be its marking or what should i see on it??

Ameer
21-11-2011, 04:25 PM
never seen one

Syed
21-11-2011, 07:43 PM
Is any russian made TT available in pakistan .If i get one what should be its marking or what should i see on it??
Brother r u asking abt new 1 or used? old are available here . let me check the markings then i will tell u

CANIK55
21-11-2011, 08:28 PM
@syed: any 1 but plz check the markings..thanx

Syed
21-11-2011, 08:35 PM
brother i chked it there r no markings except C C C P
on center of grip above and below the star. and 1 more thing there is date of manufacturing i.e 1938 stamped on frame ( the 1 i have )

Nazim Sahib
22-11-2011, 12:08 PM
I saw a used one in Dera.It was on Sale for 4000rs.But you should keep in mind in those days a brand new chiniese .30 was for 9000rs.
This was quite a while back.
The good old days :)

CANIK55
22-11-2011, 02:18 PM
@Syed,,Nazim Sahib: thank u very very much

Topak
22-11-2011, 03:13 PM
difficult to find a Made in USSR TT now a days. if could have found a good piece, price range will be as equal to a makarove.

Legion-Lad
05-07-2013, 11:49 AM
Is any russian made TT available in pakistan .If i get one what should be its marking or what should i see on it??
I have seen one about 2 months ago with a dealer...it was Russian..I didn't noticed the marking...but I did noticed barrel & Slide length, which was shorter than normal TT-33..
Asking prce was 30k..bt it was negotiable to around 26 to 27 K..It was in was in good condition 65/75..

Safdar Mahmood Khan
19-07-2013, 02:12 AM
they are available in kpk for 30K.the cccp markings on the grips are only on the orignal russian TTs.

Usama
19-07-2013, 02:18 AM
have seen with a dealer and was a used piece but he was asking 50k:smokin:

n4nomz
10-10-2013, 11:57 AM
Market is flooded with NEW n Origenal TT-33 Russian era n they r dirt cheap now I bought 1 in 25K. u can buy 1 from any reliable Arms Dealer in Peshawer

yellowsled
11-10-2013, 03:26 PM
I am going to have to pull mine out of the safe and take a few pictures for you guys...

Enigmatic Desires
11-10-2013, 03:47 PM
I am going to have to pull mine out of the safe and take a few pictures for you guys...

Yessss.. that would be greatly appreciated friend.

After reading your thread.. I have applied for a fresh license that i intend to dedicate to teh Badar Arms safety equipped TT. SHe will be chromed in SS finish and sport customised wood grips :D

Ameer
15-10-2013, 10:06 PM
Market is flooded with NEW n Origenal TT-33 Russian era n they r dirt cheap now I bought 1 in 25K. u can buy 1 from any reliable Arms Dealer in Peshawer
25K, which dealer brother. Is it the early or later models.

Dr Zakir
15-10-2013, 11:57 PM
Which dealer please

AK 74
16-10-2013, 03:16 PM
Which dealer please



almost every dealer has russian TTs stock in peshawar.peshawar arms,sirbuland khan arms pak arms alfalah arms.all these are in hashtnagri market

Crony
05-07-2014, 11:41 PM
I purchased this Russian TT last year from Abbottabad. Please see pictures and comments whether it is original Russian TT.
Its number is mentioned like this. AB 3002 (little star and then) 1943. some other marks can be seen 38 some stars.....

High_Roller
07-07-2014, 01:19 AM
wat did u pay for it brother

Crony
07-07-2014, 04:41 PM
34k dear............

Aquarius
07-07-2014, 09:40 PM
34k dear............
Thats quite a hefty amount for Russian TT.

High_Roller
08-07-2014, 01:28 AM
Thats quite a hefty amount for Russian TT.

ur absolutely rite, 34k is a rip off, u can get an M57TT for 36k which iis far better

Aquarius
08-07-2014, 01:34 AM
ur absolutely rite, 34k is a rip off, u can get an M57TT for 36k which iis far better
Do you really think that Zastava M57 TT is a better choice than Russian & Chinese TTs ??

High_Roller
08-07-2014, 02:21 AM
Do you really think that Zastava M57 TT is a better choice than Russian & Chinese TTs ??

I do, m57 r better then both chinese n russian (Ukraine import) tts,

FA226
08-07-2014, 02:26 AM
@Crony
congratulations bro.looks original to me,which dealer you bought it from.

Aquarius
08-07-2014, 02:27 AM
I do, m57 r better then both chinese n russian (Ukraine import) tts,
Thanks for the nice share bro.

Leon
08-07-2014, 02:35 AM
@ aquarius,

Sir, I have also found Zastava M57 better than normal TT. It is better in built quality and longer grip gives better control. It is must buy item.

hmd
08-07-2014, 05:02 AM
In .30 I am also a fan of Zastava M57 .

ajmal virk
08-07-2014, 11:13 AM
My vote is also for Zastava finish is awesome and it works really cool as i bought one only ten days back here are photos check finish
http://i1277.photobucket.com/albums/y497/Yasha02/Zastava03_zps76311e93.jpg
http://i1277.photobucket.com/albums/y497/Yasha02/Zastava02_zpsa43a458c.jpg
http://i1277.photobucket.com/albums/y497/Yasha02/Zastava01_zps46747dc3.jpg

Afzaal
08-07-2014, 01:35 PM
great buy
how much u paid bro for zastava ?

ajmal virk
08-07-2014, 02:12 PM
Afzaal btother i paid 35k.

musk
08-07-2014, 03:28 PM
Afzaal btother i paid 35k.

Ajmal Brother please post some closeup pictures in day light. As i want to see the markings of zastava.

Finish and marking on this zastava is not visible/read able in posted pictures.

As i am also planning to buy Zastava.

ajmal virk
08-07-2014, 05:16 PM
In Eid Holydays i will visit Sarghodha as i am married in Sarghodha you can touch me there you can see it closly and even can fire.

Crony
08-07-2014, 06:41 PM
@Crony
congratulations bro.looks original to me,which dealer you bought it from.

Thanks.. I bought this from United Traders (Essajee). It is reconditioned TT.

Crony
08-07-2014, 06:45 PM
[QUOTE=High_Roller;449199]ur absolutely rite, 34k is a rip off, u can get an M57TT for 36k which iis far better[/QUOTE

To some extent you are right.. but I have listened from may pakguns members that Russian TT are very goods if any one find original piece.

I checked and fired around 50 rounds it found it very good.

jojee
08-07-2014, 08:09 PM
ajmal bro congrates and really good looking tt i am planing to buy .30 bore now the px3 fever is going on what would u say about zastava is good compare to px3 and whats the capacity of magzine in zastava same as china or russian tt or anymore then that i hope u will reply thank u :)

FA226
08-07-2014, 08:23 PM
My vote is also for Zastava finish is awesome and it works really cool as i bought one only ten days back here are photos check finish
http://i1277.photobucket.com/albums/y497/Yasha02/Zastava03_zps76311e93.jpg
http://i1277.photobucket.com/albums/y497/Yasha02/Zastava02_zpsa43a458c.jpg
http://i1277.photobucket.com/albums/y497/Yasha02/Zastava01_zps46747dc3.jpg
Beautiful weapon bro.

FA226
08-07-2014, 10:01 PM
Thanks.. I bought this from United Traders (Essajee). It is reconditioned TT.

thanks bro,yes a refurbish lot of Russian TTs entered the market a year back.as long as price is concern in Abbottabad it a bit high because they charge for carrier from Peshawar as well.Eassajee are expensive but reliable.

Aquarius
08-07-2014, 11:05 PM
@ aquarius,

Sir, I have also found Zastava M57 better than normal TT. It is better in built quality and longer grip gives better control. It is must buy item.


In .30 I am also a fan of Zastava M57 .

Thanks for the nice information brothers.

Aquarius
08-07-2014, 11:07 PM
My vote is also for Zastava finish is awesome and it works really cool as i bought one only ten days back here are photos check finish
Thats a beautiful TT you got bro.. happy shooting.

High_Roller
09-07-2014, 02:30 AM
ajmal bro congrates and really good looking tt i am planing to buy .30 bore now the px3 fever is going on what would u say about zastava is good compare to px3 and whats the capacity of magzine in zastava same as china or russian tt or anymore then that i hope u will reply thank u :)

no comparing px3 & zastava, both r xcelent handguns, px3 can hold 17 rounds but zastava makes a louder bang :) but px3's got better accuracy,

High_Roller
09-07-2014, 02:32 AM
Thanks for the nice information brothers.

rora pekhor k da kam zey? if u dnt mind

FA226
09-07-2014, 02:37 AM
no comparing px3 & zastava, both r xcelent handguns, px3 can hold 17 rounds but zastava makes a louder bang :) but px3's got better accuracy,
we will be able to compare px3 with zastava ppz which has 20rd mag if it arrives.

High_Roller
09-07-2014, 02:40 AM
we will be able to compare px3 with zastava ppz which has 20rd mag if it arrives.

yea rite :)

Aquarius
09-07-2014, 03:38 PM
rora pekhor k da kam zey? if u dnt mind

Why should I mind Bro.. I am from Mohmand Agency and you ??

Aquarius
09-07-2014, 03:40 PM
no comparing px3 & zastava, both r xcelent handguns, px3 can hold 17 rounds but zastava makes a louder bang :) but px3's got better accuracy,

Bro did you tried the Zastava PPZ ??

musk
09-07-2014, 05:01 PM
In Eid Holydays i will visit Sarghodha as i am married in Sarghodha you can touch me there you can see it closly and even can fire.

You are wellcome brother. I will be waiting for you.

s.jawad
09-07-2014, 05:25 PM
@ aquarius,

Sir, I have also found Zastava M57 better than normal TT. It is better in built quality and longer grip gives better control. It is must buy item.

@ Leon
Sir I don't agree as Chinese tt are much better than zastava.
Regards

Aquarius
09-07-2014, 06:32 PM
@ Leon
Sir I don't agree as Chinese tt are much better than zastava.
Regards
So you think Chinese TT is better than Zastava M57 ?? I have also heard the same & specially about the older Chinese models that they are the best.

HeartTTAK
09-07-2014, 06:43 PM
TT RANKING
1ST if u have hands on orignal one: RUSSIAN
2ND CHINEESE
3RD YOGO ZASTAVA
after that all the shit in market.........

sajjadjutt
09-07-2014, 06:51 PM
@ Leon
Sir I don't agree as Chinese tt are much better than zastava.
Regards
I totally agreed with s.jawad bro chinese tt is far far better than zastava.

Crony
09-07-2014, 08:00 PM
TT RANKING
1ST if u have hands on orignal one: RUSSIAN
2ND CHINEESE
3RD YOGO ZASTAVA
after that all the shit in market.........

HeartTTAK, What do you say about mine one in above post..

HeartTTAK
09-07-2014, 08:19 PM
Crony bro....... Nice piece Russian. is there any stamping on barrel and also share pics of its Top and right side. same stampings will be on magzines and on right side. mine is 1943 and yours

HeartTTAK
09-07-2014, 08:39 PM
Mine Russian TT im uploading brothers check it.......

Aquarius
09-07-2014, 09:05 PM
Now I am really confuse becoz on one hand High_Rooler, Leon & hmd brothers are in favour of Zastava M57, while on the other hand s.jawad, HeartTTAK, sajjadjutt & Crony brothers are in favour of Chinese TT.

PS: I don't know much about TTs.. I have one older 636 Chinese model, which I bought in 1995.. it has 11 logo in a circle on top of the slide & serial # starting from 310.. I shot it many times & am quite satisfied with its performance.. not a single issue even with JHP.

Dr Zakir
09-07-2014, 09:15 PM
I have one chinese tt which I had bought in 1989 . I took it out after 14 years it was lying without any regular oiling and cleaning. I fired 4 magzine without any problem . When diasmbled for cleaning there was no rust . Was fairly accurate at 25 m all the bullets were in 6 to 8 circle .

Crony
09-07-2014, 09:19 PM
Crony bro....... Nice piece Russian. is there any stamping on barrel and also share pics of its Top and right side. same stampings will be on magzines and on right side. mine is 1943 and yours

number is mentioned on barrel also... I will share some more pics soon. yes year is 1943. First number then after star year.

Crony
09-07-2014, 09:19 PM
Mine Russian TT im uploading brothers check it.......

Upload please...

Leon
09-07-2014, 09:20 PM
@ Aquarius,

Sir, why are you confused. You have got best TT. These models are not available now.

I rate Zastava over current Chinese TTs.

But, the longer grip of Zastava is an edge over any other TT, be it Russian or Chinese.

FA226
09-07-2014, 09:21 PM
Now I am really confuse becoz on one hand High_Rooler, Leon & hmd brothers are in favour of Zastava M57, while on the other hand s.jawad, HeartTTAK, sajjadjutt & Crony brothers are in favour of Chinese TT.

PS: I don't know much about TTs.. I have one older 636 Chinese model, which I bought in 1995.. it has 11 logo in a circle on top of the slide & serial # starting from 310.. I shot it many times & am quite satisfied with its performance.. not a single issue even with JHP.
Brother i don't know that which one is the best but one thing i know from experience is that chinese TTs are good.i had one which i bought in 1999 and sold this year because i need a vacant license,it never gave me any problem in 15 years.

hmd
09-07-2014, 09:32 PM
I will say all three pistol Russian , Chinese and Zastava they are all are good it's your personal choice which one you want . I personally like Zastava and then Chinese .

Aquarius
09-07-2014, 09:40 PM
I have one chinese tt which I had bought in 1989 . I took it out after 14 years it was lying without any regular oiling and cleaning. I fired 4 magzine without any problem . When diasmbled for cleaning there was no rust . Was fairly accurate at 25 m all the bullets were in 6 to 8 circle .


@ Aquarius,

Sir, why are you confused. You have got best TT. These models are not available now.

I rate Zastava over current Chinese TTs.

Thanks a lot brothers for the nice share.
So this means I am the owner of a good TT, no matter whether its Chinese, Russian or Zastava.

Leon
09-07-2014, 09:44 PM
Which one is good? Isn't it a difficult answer?

Are we rating them on some technical grounds? Or Metallurgy? Or some other aspect?

I rate Zastava M57 over others due to longer grip which gives me more control. In case of other TTs, the grip is short. I was never accurate with any TT till I shot with Zastava.

As far as reliability is concerned, I have never faced any problem with any foreign made TT. All shot very fine.

Around 15 years ago, we had a Chinese TT which was gifted to us with half sack (that 50 Kgs fertilizer polypropylene bag) of mixed ammo (russian surplus sort of rusted, Chinese and Dara refilled). That TT shot every kind of ammo without any hick up. We experienced few dud rounds of Dara refilled ammo but that was ammo problem.

This Zastava has shot more than 800 rounds without any hick up. It shot first 750 rounds without de-greasing or cleaning.

I cannot differentiate between metallurgy with naked eye. But Zastava's metal is kind of different. It is lighter than Chinese although it has longer grip. The internals are very much the same. But Zastava are kind of more refined but not much difference.

FA226
09-07-2014, 09:55 PM
Which one is good? Isn't it a difficult answer?

Are we rating them on some technical grounds? Or Metallurgy? Or some other aspect?

I rate Zastava M57 over others due to longer grip which gives me more control. In case of other TTs, the grip is short. I was never accurate with any TT till I shot with Zastava.

As far as reliability is concerned, I have never faced any problem with any foreign made TT. All shot very fine.

Around 15 years ago, we had a Chinese TT which was gifted to us with half sack (that 50 Kgs fertilizer polypropylene bag) of mixed ammo (russian surplus sort of rusted, Chinese and Dara refilled). That TT shot every kind of ammo without any hick up. We experienced few dud rounds of Dara refilled ammo but that was ammo problem.

This Zastava has shot more than 800 rounds without any hick up. It shot first 750 rounds without de-greasing or cleaning.

I cannot differentiate between metallurgy with naked eye. But Zastava's metal is kind of different. It is lighter than Chinese although it has longer grip. The internals are very much the same. But Zastava are kind of more refined but not much difference.
you forgot to mention another big difference apart from the grip that is zastava has metal guide road.i will buy a zastava if they launch their ppz because i am a bit greedy about higher mag capacity or i will by px3 InshaAllah when i come to Pakistan.i give mag capacity credit to zastava not doubt.

Ameer
09-07-2014, 09:56 PM
I have one chinese tt which I had bought in 1989 . I took it out after 14 years it was lying without any regular oiling and cleaning. I fired 4 magzine without any problem . When diasmbled for cleaning there was no rust . Was fairly accurate at 25 m all the bullets were in 6 to 8 circle .
Ever reliable TTs.

Ameer
09-07-2014, 10:09 PM
@ Leon,
Never fired a zastava but I agree on the grip part.
The abundance of magazines is an attractive feature of all TTs except zastava. All the 8cap magazines are interchangeable, zastava doesn't enjoy this luxury.

Ameer
09-07-2014, 10:13 PM
My vote is also for Zastava finish is awesome and it works really cool as i bought one only ten days back here are photos check finish


Congratulations for the wonderful handgun

shahroze
09-07-2014, 10:14 PM
Leon, do you have long fingers?
I too am inaccurate with TT, though never tried the M57 but had a chance to handle it and it fit my hand like a glove i am thinking it would prove to be more accurate than 8 shot TT.
The small grip just throws off my stance thus effects my aim........

Leon
09-07-2014, 10:23 PM
@ shahroze,

Bro,
I have got medium size hand. Even then I am unable to fully grip TT.

Dr Zakir
09-07-2014, 11:02 PM
I was thinking of getting a TT made on order from islammuddin and now px3 has turned up and got me all confused especially the price .it is more then the np 42 or 34 or 22

Aquarius
09-07-2014, 11:27 PM
I was thinking of getting a TT made on order from islammuddin and now px3 has turned up and got me all confused especially the price .it is more then the np 42 or 34 or 22
But Dr Sb if this PX-3 performs well regarding its reliability, accuracy and specially its !!! durability, durability, durability.. I am just worried whether it will be as durable as other Chinese handguns you mentioned, because .30 bore is a powerful round & if it can withstand these powerful rounds then I don't mind spending few extra bucks for it.. this one word (DURABILITY) is a major factor which hinders my way to go for it.

Firing just 50-100 rounds doesn't justify that its a durable handgun.. one should fire atleast 1000-1500 rounds to come to a solid conclusion.

jonnyc
09-07-2014, 11:32 PM
Oh, Leon!!!
As a collector of all variations of the 7.62/.30 Bore cartridge, you have put me in great pain!

"gifted to us with half sack (that 50 Kgs fertilizer polypropylene bag) of mixed ammo (russian surplus sort of rusted, Chinese and Dara refilled)."

I probably needed half of those for my collection! I have seen pictures of the various "Darra" rounds/headstamps, but I have never seen any "live" examples.

Dr Zakir
09-07-2014, 11:52 PM
But Dr Sb if this PX-3 performs well regarding its reliability, accuracy and specially its !!! durability, durability, durability.. I am just worried whether it will be as durable as other Chinese handguns you mentioned, because .30 bore is a powerful round & if it can withstand these powerful rounds then I don't mind spending few extra bucks for it.. this one word (DURABILITY) is a major factor which hinders my way to go for it.

Firing just 50-100 rounds doesn't justify that its a durable handgun.. one should fire atleast 1000-1500 rounds to come to a solid conclusion.
I am thinking the same thing

FA226
10-07-2014, 12:45 AM
But Dr Sb if this PX-3 performs well regarding its reliability, accuracy and specially its !!! durability, durability, durability.. I am just worried whether it will be as durable as other Chinese handguns you mentioned, because .30 bore is a powerful round & if it can withstand these powerful rounds then I don't mind spending few extra bucks for it.. this one word (DURABILITY) is a major factor which hinders my way to go for it.

Firing just 50-100 rounds doesn't justify that its a durable handgun.. one should fire atleast 1000-1500 rounds to come to a solid conclusion.
Sir don,t worry about the durability as long as the the design is concern it is fully capable of handling a .30 round because Sig p226 all comes in .357sig which produces the same pressure as 7.62x25 round now i know some one will say its not Sig it Chinese OK so if Chinese metal is good for TT and 1911 it should be strong enough for px3.
my only concern is the mag quality because one member said the spring is not good.check the spring quality your self,if you find it Ok.just go for it i will be durable InshahAllah.

Dr Zakir
10-07-2014, 02:02 AM
I have not been able to find the pressure for .30 could any one guide a site

Ameer
10-07-2014, 02:52 AM
I was thinking of getting a TT made on order from islammuddin and now px3 has turned up and got me all confused especially the price .it is more then the np 42 or 34 or 22
Sir it wouldn't be the same fun as shooting a single action TT.

Leon
10-07-2014, 03:00 AM
I have not been able to find the pressure for .30 could any one guide a site

I read somewhere that Russian surplus ammo produces 31,000 c.u.p. Which means around 41,000 psi. While same page showed that S&B round produced 42,000 c.u.p. Which is 52,000 psi.

ajmal virk
10-07-2014, 08:48 AM
Yes Leon brother Zastava have different finsih as compared to all TT,s not much shiny so it looks cool and about accuracy will do some range testing this month InshAllah and will share.BTW after buying Zastava the 2 9MM i have do not look good to me lols.

ajmal virk
10-07-2014, 08:53 AM
Musk bro how would i find you in Sarghodha please contact me at ajmal.javed@combinedfabrics.com.

Leon
10-07-2014, 10:19 AM
Oh, Leon!!!
As a collector of all variations of the 7.62/.30 Bore cartridge, you have put me in great pain!

"gifted to us with half sack (that 50 Kgs fertilizer polypropylene bag) of mixed ammo (russian surplus sort of rusted, Chinese and Dara refilled)."

I probably needed half of those for my collection! I have seen pictures of the various "Darra" rounds/headstamps, but I have never seen any "live" examples.

Dont worry, they are not different. They are just refilled using old russian or chinese shell. And you can find these every where.

Aquarius
10-07-2014, 04:11 PM
Sir don,t worry about the durability as long as the the design is concern it is fully capable of handling a .30 round because Sig p226 all comes in .357sig which produces the same pressure as 7.62x25 round now i know some one will say its not Sig it Chinese OK so if Chinese metal is good for TT and 1911 it should be strong enough for px3.
my only concern is the mag quality because one member said the spring is not good.check the spring quality your self,if you find it Ok.just go for it i will be durable InshahAllah.

Thanks for your input bro.

Aquarius
10-07-2014, 04:12 PM
I read somewhere that Russian surplus ammo produces 31,000 c.u.p. Which means around 41,000 psi. While same page showed that S&B round produced 42,000 c.u.p. Which is 52,000 psi.

Nice share Leon bro.

s.jawad
10-07-2014, 07:13 PM
So you think Chinese TT is better than Zastava M57 ?? I have also heard the same & specially about the older Chinese models that they are the best.

@ Aquarius
Sir the older Chinese are much better than zastava but if we compare which are in this time available in our arm market then both are not trustworthy but if I want one for myself I will be buy a Chinese as I love Chinese and Russian more than zastava.
Regards

s.jawad
10-07-2014, 07:23 PM
:mad2::mad2::mad2::mad2:
Which one is good? Isn't it a difficult answer?

Are we rating them on some technical grounds? Or Metallurgy? Or some other aspect?

I rate Zastava M57 over others due to longer grip which gives me more control. In case of other TTs, the grip is short. I was never accurate with any TT till I shot with Zastava.

As far as reliability is concerned, I have never faced any problem with any foreign made TT. All shot very fine.

Around 15 years ago, we had a Chinese TT which was gifted to us with half sack (that 50 Kgs fertilizer polypropylene bag) of mixed ammo (russian surplus sort of rusted, Chinese and Dara refilled). That TT shot every kind of ammo without any hick up. We experienced few dud rounds of Dara refilled ammo but that was ammo problem.

This Zastava has shot more than 800 rounds without any hick up. It shot first 750 rounds without de-greasing or cleaning.

I cannot differentiate between metallurgy with naked eye. But Zastava's metal is kind of different. It is lighter than Chinese although it has longer grip. The internals are very much the same. But Zastava are kind of more refined but not much difference.

@ Leon
Sir I don't agree Chinese are much better than zastava. :heh:
Regards

Leon
10-07-2014, 09:21 PM
@ s.jawad,

Bhai Jee! Convince me on some facts.

I know that you have a very rare Chinese TT.

s.jawad
10-07-2014, 10:09 PM
@ s.jawad,

Bhai Jee! Convince me on some facts.

I know that you have a very rare Chinese TT.

@ Leon
Then convinced to PAA JEE and our shah JEE from mian chanu and joney brother to came with you to peshawar then I will be agree that zastava make a real pistol. .......Lolzz
And if you are not coming then wait inshallah after EID you all will be in trouble. :bump:
Regards

Leon
10-07-2014, 10:31 PM
@ s.jawad,

Don't challenge Joney and me. Sadatpk is however untrustworthy traitor and we cannot do anything about him.

How Joney and I cannot resist free lunch offer.

So, if you want to see us, sound your offer!

sadatpk
11-07-2014, 02:18 PM
@ s.jawad,

Don't challenge Joney and me. Sadatpk is however untrustworthy traitor and we cannot do anything about him.

How Joney and I cannot resist free lunch offer.

So, if you want to see us, sound your offer! Ajrummin Allah Leon,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

sadatpk
11-07-2014, 02:21 PM
@ Leon
Then convinced to PAA JEE and our shah JEE from mian chanu and joney brother to came with you to peshawar then I will be agree that zastava make a real pistol. .......Lolzz
And if you are not coming then wait inshallah after EID you all will be in trouble. :bump:
RegardsJawad bhi it will take a long time to get Leon understood something which is universally acknowledged and accepted fact 'so pls do not waste time on him and Let him enjoy his Zastava,

musk
11-07-2014, 03:05 PM
Musk bro how would i find you in Sarghodha please contact me at ajmal.javed@combinedfabrics.com.

Please check contact details are sent Ajmal Brother

Leon
11-07-2014, 10:02 PM
Jawad bhi it will take a long time to get Leon understood something which is universally acknowledged and accepted fact 'so pls do not waste time on him and Let him enjoy his Zastava,

Jee! Jee! Jee! Sada Kuta; Kuta, Taye tohada Kuta; Tommy!


Translation:

Yaa! Yaa! Yaa! Our Dog is called Dog, and You Dog is called Tommy!

sadatpk
11-07-2014, 11:41 PM
Jee! Jee! Jee! Sada Kuta; Kuta, Taye tohada Kuta; Tommy!Translation:Yaa! Yaa! Yaa! Our Dog is called Dog, and You Dog is called Tommy! my dear sir Leon,u r supreme member here at forum and this is TT thread,pls do not derail thread ,I m ready to hear u with fulll passion on call,dog,dog etc type cheap language does not suit ur gracefull personality imho,now pls come to TT 33 topic as u really know a lot aboiut modern weaponary ,pls never use cheap language ,as ur language and lexical items in ur syntax depicts ur innerself always,may Allah bless u alll for what u desire,I mean a lot of health wealth and bit wisdom more,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,waiting ur call now and coming to point,have u ever used TT 33.I m sure ur answer will be in negative,ok now let me say May u be blessed wd a TT,whether it be local,so u may proudly say u have a weapon in ur collection,its a great hand gun

Leon
12-07-2014, 12:03 AM
@ sadatpk,

From which planet you belong to? Earth? I seriously doubt that.

It isn't cheap language. I just quoted a dialogue from Punjabi Movie. Get a life Bro!

Ok! Come to the topic!

Enlighten me on the features of Chinese TT or Russian which make them better than Zasatava?

What Russian or Chinese have added in TT which Serbians could not?

sadatpk
12-07-2014, 12:57 AM
Chinese and Russian both are marvellous while Serbian TT nowadays are of low quality Imho,if u purchase all the three u. Will always prefer russian cal 30 and then chinese and at the third u will keep serbian beacause it has a long grip and not concealable in the way as a Tt must be because of its long grip,lastly pls do not let third class movies get over u,it will destroy ur ethics ,no doubt u r a graceful personality Masha Allah

High_Roller
12-07-2014, 01:20 AM
Chinese and Russian both are marvellous while Serbian TT nowadays are of low quality Imho,if u purchase all the three u. Will always prefer russian cal 30 and then chinese and at the third u will keep serbian beacause it has a long grip and not concealable in the way as a Tt must be because of its long grip,lastly pls do not let third class movies get over u,it will destroy ur ethics ,no doubt u r a graceful personality Masha Allah

Indeed older Russian r better then old Chinese but new zastava is far more better then these new Chinese and so called Russian TTs, but as the older ones are hard to find and rarely in mint condition so for someone new like myself it's best to go for zastava not 4 cc but for its louder bang ;), no hard feelings

Leon
12-07-2014, 02:58 AM
@ sadatpk,

Bro, I didn't know that:

1. You are metallurgy expert.
2. You are film critic as well.

Good quality is subjective statement. There must be some fact attached to it to make is objective.

Any solid data? Any Technical specification.

A bit longer grip makes it difficult to conceal. Is that all you have got against M57? Come On!

sadatpk
12-07-2014, 03:44 PM
@ sadatpk,



It isn't cheap language. I just quoted a dialogue from Punjabi Movie. Get a life Bro!



Enlighten me on the features of Chinese TT or Russian which make them better than Zasatava?

What Russian or Chinese have added in TT which Serbians could not?


@ sadatpk,

Bro, I didn't know that:

1. You are metallurgy expert.
2. You are film critic as well.

Good quality is subjective statement. There must be some fact attached to it to make is objective.

Any solid data? Any Technical specification.

A bit longer grip makes it difficult to conceal. Is that all you have got against M57? Come On! I m sorry my dear Leon,I m neither expert in metal nor have any acess to company data,I m just user of cal 30 wd full peace of mind,what I knew I told if u donnot ask me by name I really shoud not reply as we have experts here who can easily reply technical specs in detail ,,,,,,,,,now metal is ur field ,I do nt want to collect data required by you as ur concerns and opinions are mostly about Moi licenses and change form etc ,as regardingb pro and cons of TT,this is not ur subject IMHO u pls purchase caracal and enjoy withoutt helmet,

Leon
12-07-2014, 04:42 PM
@ sadatpk,

Ha ha ha! I don't expect such loose arguments from a criminal lawyer,

oh sorry,

criminology lawyer.

Anyway Bro, come up with some solid / debate winning arguments.

And leave this kind of taunts for illiterate women.

BTW, always use Barnal for burns! LOL!


Shah Jee! You started this, now only you can end this!

sadatpk
12-07-2014, 07:12 PM
U r my dearest Leon,I end this loving argument,now u pls come to Tt33 .br it is another astonishing fact that u will enjoy better accuracy wd JHP rounds in chinese cal30Pistol ,I do not know how Jhp behaves in russiann cal.30 and serbian beasts,

joney
12-07-2014, 10:52 PM
@ s.jawad,

Don't challenge Joney and me. Sadatpk is however untrustworthy traitor and we cannot do anything about him.

How Joney and I cannot resist free lunch offer.

So, if you want to see us, sound your offer!

True Leon... All we need a simple text from you Jawad brother... we'll be there!!!!!

Get read then!!

joney
12-07-2014, 10:57 PM
how did I miss this thread...

some serious "Aurtoon Wali Larai" is goin on there!.

@Leon & Sadatpk Brothers,

Why don't you guy bring your babies. I mean Chinese and Serbian TT's.. Let them proof themselves..

Let me host an Aftar Dinner, and let's meet on the range next weekend to conclude this "Yab"...

Leon
12-07-2014, 10:57 PM
@ Sadatpk,

No! No! No! A good lawyer don't conclude his arguments like this.

@ All,

Bros, Please don't take the arguments between Sadatpk and I negatively or as fight. These were friendly fires which we exchange every now and then.

Am I right Sadatpk Bro?


@ Joney,

You have rightly put it. We are a SMS away.

@ s.jawad,

Bro, now ball is in your court.

Atif Bashir
13-07-2014, 12:00 AM
Dear Leon and SadatPk brothers as no fact and figures required for ongoing matter so i claim that my local made TT by Ustad Zafar from Gatti Factory is batter then all three TTs under discussion.

Regards,

sadatpk
13-07-2014, 12:48 AM
Indeed Atif bhi, welcome back,,,,,,

Dr Zakir
13-07-2014, 12:58 AM
Atif bro do u have any idea who makes best desi TT

jonnyc
13-07-2014, 08:11 AM
I have a Russian TT, Romanian TTC, Chinese T54, and a Zastava M57. They are all equally accurate, reliable, and lots of fun to shoot. I have only ever sold one ".30 Bore", and that was a total piece of junk "MADE AS CHINA" from somewhere in the hills of Pakistan. I think it is foolish to argue abour which "TT" is best when it seems pretty well known which is worst. You will be well-served by guaranteed imported Chinese or Serbian pistol. Save your money and get something that you are sure you can rely on. I think you will always wonder if you go cheap and get one of the many different varieties of Desi/Darra pistols. Can you ever really trust it???

ajmal virk
13-07-2014, 09:34 AM
There is no doubt about accuracy yesterday fired around 150 rouds through my Zastava and it was awesome to see this gun hitting target again and again from 30 meters and the shooters was ordinary i.e me.

s.jawad
13-07-2014, 01:04 PM
@ Sadatpk,

No! No! No! A good lawyer don't conclude his arguments like this.

@ All,

Bros, Please don't take the arguments between Sadatpk and I negatively or as fight. These were friendly fires which we exchange every now and then.

Am I right Sadatpk Bro?


@ Joney,

You have rightly put it. We are a SMS away.

@ s.jawad,

Bro, now ball is in your court.

@ Leon
@ Sadatpk
What's going on .
Ok after ramzan mubarak I come to head office and you all will be also came and then we decide I think you all know about HO.
Regards

HeartTTAK
13-07-2014, 01:13 PM
a BIG NO NO for all desi TTs.........

Aquarius
13-07-2014, 03:08 PM
Atif bro do u have any idea who makes best desi TT
Lolzzz Dr Sb you are also attracted towards desi TT.

Aquarius
13-07-2014, 03:12 PM
Ok after ramzan mubarak I come to head office and you all will be also came and then we decide I think you all know about HO.
Regards

jawad bro what do mean by this HO ??

Aquarius
13-07-2014, 03:12 PM
a BIG NO NO for all desi TTs.........
+1... fully agree bro.

musk
13-07-2014, 08:35 PM
There is no doubt about accuracy yesterday fired around 150 rouds through my Zastava and it was awesome to see this gun hitting target again and again from 30 meters and the shooters was ordinary i.e me.
Impressive shooting Ajmal Brother. My itch for Zastava is increasing after reading your post.

musk
13-07-2014, 08:38 PM
a BIG NO NO for all desi TTs.........

There are few Desi TT's Which are quite reliable.

While unbranded desi TT's are real piece of junk

joney
14-07-2014, 03:29 PM
jawad bro what do mean by this HO ??

HO=Head Office=Darbar of Murshid paak=SARGODHA

:P......

sadatpk
14-07-2014, 07:52 PM
HO=Head Office=Darbar of Murshid paak=SARGODHA

:P...... Murshad who has been disappeared for ramzan fasts

HeartTTAK
14-07-2014, 08:15 PM
31501315023150331502my russian girlfriend.............

Mian Jee
14-07-2014, 08:25 PM
31502my russian girlfriend.............

No arguments, but it's almost DESI.

musk
14-07-2014, 08:30 PM
No arguments, but it's almost DESI.

My DESI TT seems better then this

musk
14-07-2014, 08:31 PM
HO=Head Office=Darbar of Murshid paak=SARGODHA

:P......
Who is Murshid Paak............MIAN JI?

HeartTTAK
14-07-2014, 09:02 PM
Mian g excuse me plz look at it carefully. its orignal Russian and its barrel has same seriel number which is on handgun and magzines. Barrel pic im uploading but its not working. I know u have chineese TT there. but no compete to this Russian baby. This TT i checked to almost 5 dealers also it belongs to my grandfather and now inherited to me. But dont call it Desi. I know handguns too.

HeartTTAK
14-07-2014, 09:05 PM
musk bro dont go towards fancy stuff. go for quality products. i ahev dealer friends and they will offer u a desi tt which will be so much fancy that you will love it. Orignal ones are some type you can say a simple shape

HeartTTAK
14-07-2014, 09:30 PM
31506 my Russian TT magzine number same as to barrel

musk
14-07-2014, 09:34 PM
musk bro dont go towards fancy stuff. go for quality products. i ahev dealer friends and they will offer u a desi tt which will be so much fancy that you will love it. Orignal ones are some type you can say a simple shape
Ok Brother

Dr Zakir
14-07-2014, 10:45 PM
Lolzzz Dr Sb you are also attracted towards desi TT.
Sir what do u think of a specially made on order TT with Chinese barrel . For collection purposes

Dr Zakir
14-07-2014, 10:47 PM
I think it is on the dealer word otherwise it is very difficult to identify a desi TT ftom walayti

FA226
14-07-2014, 10:58 PM
I think it is on the dealer word otherwise it is very difficult to identify a desi TT ftom walayti
I totally agree with you.

Aquarius
15-07-2014, 12:35 AM
Sir what do u think of a specially made on order TT with Chinese barrel . For collection purposes
Yes for collection its a good option.

shahroze
15-07-2014, 01:39 AM
Forgive my ignorance, but why a Chinese barrel if it's for collection purpose?

Dr Zakir
15-07-2014, 01:51 AM
Because although for collection but should be safe enough for occasional firing. I beleive chineese barrel will increase the safety margin

Ameer
15-07-2014, 02:58 AM
I think it is on the dealer word otherwise it is very difficult to identify a desi TT ftom walayti
especially TT. Agreed.

HeartTTAK
15-07-2014, 11:05 AM
Dr Zakir bro
In specialy made TT the Rate is 15-18 K. they use Angreezi barrel like chineese, zastava etc and firing pin. The parts most imporant are barrel and firing pin. But point to be noted the grade of steel which the desi uses cant compete the grade of Angreezi bz the desi dont have weapon grade steel. The desi catches rust very quickly even if u oil it and keep it for a week. So dont go for the dara made Junks. Go for Russian if u have hand on it, than chineese and after that Zastava.
Following is my Russian TT barrel and the seriel number is same on the magzines. No one can stamp this seriel on barrel. Its the main orignality which you can differentiate.

s.jawad
15-07-2014, 07:08 PM
jawad bro what do mean by this HO ??

Aquarius brother as already explained by joney brother HO means headquarter (sargodha).
Regards

sajjadjutt
15-07-2014, 07:44 PM
Dr Zakir bro
In specialy made TT the Rate is 15-18 K. they use Angreezi barrel like chineese, zastava etc and firing pin. The parts most imporant are barrel and firing pin. But point to be noted the grade of steel which the desi uses cant compete the grade of Angreezi bz the desi dont have weapon grade steel. The desi catches rust very quickly even if u oil it and keep it for a week. So dont go for the dara made Junks. Go for Russian if u have hand on it, than chineese and after that Zastava.
Following is my Russian TT barrel and the seriel number is same on the magzines. No one can stamp this seriel on barrel. Its the main orignality which you can differentiate.
Bro mostly peoples in pk have own the chines TT, and 99.9% peoples satisfied by their chines TT. but if you look other just like the russian or zastava one....... so many question rise ....just like zastava mags issue ......and russian is very hard to find original one......i have two black barrel chines TT.....and i am 100% satisfied by my chines TT....

Crony
15-07-2014, 08:18 PM
Dr Zakir bro
In specialy made TT the Rate is 15-18 K. they use Angreezi barrel like chineese, zastava etc and firing pin. The parts most imporant are barrel and firing pin. But point to be noted the grade of steel which the desi uses cant compete the grade of Angreezi bz the desi dont have weapon grade steel. The desi catches rust very quickly even if u oil it and keep it for a week. So dont go for the dara made Junks. Go for Russian if u have hand on it, than chineese and after that Zastava.
Following is my Russian TT barrel and the seriel number is same on the magzines. No one can stamp this seriel on barrel. Its the main orignality which you can differentiate.

HeartTTAK dear bro... this looks original Russian TT. What is the price? and from where did you buy.. I bought mine one from Abbottabad. Both are looking same in structure.

FA226
15-07-2014, 08:38 PM
Because although for collection but should be safe enough for occasional firing. I beleive chineese barrel will increase the safety margin
Sir my humble opinion is don't buy desi with so called Chinese parts because they charge you the price almost near to new Chinese TT so buy a Chinese TT i guess 21k in Peshawar instead of paying 15k-16k for desi.

Aquarius
15-07-2014, 09:25 PM
Aquarius brother as already explained by joney brother HO means headquarter (sargodha).
Regards
Okay.. thanks jawad bro.

Aquarius
15-07-2014, 09:26 PM
Sir my humble opinion is don't buy desi with so called Chinese parts because they charge you the price almost near to new Chinese TT so buy a Chinese TT i guess 21k in Peshawar instead of paying 15k-16k for desi.
I agree with you.

Dr Zakir
15-07-2014, 11:49 PM
Thankyou for all your advices .

Dr Zakir
16-07-2014, 01:31 AM
Duplicate post

hmd
16-07-2014, 05:04 AM
Sir my humble opinion is don't buy desi with so called Chinese parts because they charge you the price almost near to new Chinese TT so buy a Chinese TT i guess 21k in Peshawar instead of paying 15k-16k for desi.
Well said bro it's better to put more or save more to get a Chinese TT then a Desi for 16k .

Crony
16-07-2014, 09:11 AM
31506 my Russian TT magzine number same as to barrel

HeartTTAK bro, could you please upload picture of barrel?

HeartTTAK
16-07-2014, 12:19 PM
Crony bro barrel pic i had uploaded earlier. check it in the thread

HeartTTAK
17-07-2014, 08:55 PM
1. Russian 1933 TT-30 7.62x25mm
2. Russian 1943 TT-33 7.62x25
3. Chinese Type 54 7.62x25mm
4. Chinese M20 7.62x25mm
5. Yugoslav M57 7.62x25mm
6. Hungarian Tokagypt 58 7.62x25
7. Hungarian M48 7.62x25mm
8. 1949 Polish 7.62x25mm
9. 1951 Polish 7.62x25mm
10. 1955 Polish Sportky 22 cal RF
11. North Korean Type 66 7.62x25mm

Aquarius
17-07-2014, 09:08 PM
Nice share HeartTTAK bro.

Aquarius
17-07-2014, 11:34 PM
What happened to ACHILLES bro.. is that really you ACHILLES ??

jonnyc
18-07-2014, 01:39 AM
HeartTTAK, all I can say is WOW!!!
That is a beautiful collection. But............I have a Romanian!
You are very lucky to have all of those.....at least the slides. Did you find them all in Pakistan?

FA226
18-07-2014, 03:37 AM
What happened to ACHILLES bro.. is that really you ACHILLES ??

i think some one might have hacked his account.

Crony
18-07-2014, 12:10 PM
1. Russian 1933 TT-30 7.62x25mm
2. Russian 1943 TT-33 7.62x25
3. Chinese Type 54 7.62x25mm
4. Chinese M20 7.62x25mm
5. Yugoslav M57 7.62x25mm
6. Hungarian Tokagypt 58 7.62x25
7. Hungarian M48 7.62x25mm
8. 1949 Polish 7.62x25mm
9. 1951 Polish 7.62x25mm
10. 1955 Polish Sportky 22 cal RF
11. North Korean Type 66 7.62x25mm

HeartTTAK bro, thank you for sharing this.

HeartTTAK
18-07-2014, 08:35 PM
TT-33 Barrel locking system is different
A comparison of the barrels of the Browning clones and the barrel of the Browning P-35(b)
Top: TT-33 (to ease production, Tokarev decided to machine the locking rings all the way around the barrel)
Middle: Radom P-35(p)
Bottom Browning P-35(b)

Aquarius
18-07-2014, 09:14 PM
The last one looks as if its broken.. BTW which TT uses the second & last barrels.. I have one with the 1st locking system.

Dr Zakir
19-07-2014, 12:27 AM
1. Russian 1933 TT-30 7.62x25mm
2. Russian 1943 TT-33 7.62x25
3. Chinese Type 54 7.62x25mm
4. Chinese M20 7.62x25mm
5. Yugoslav M57 7.62x25mm
6. Hungarian Tokagypt 58 7.62x25
7. Hungarian M48 7.62x25mm
8. 1949 Polish 7.62x25mm
9. 1951 Polish 7.62x25mm
10. 1955 Polish Sportky 22 cal RF
11. North Korean Type 66 7.62x25mm
can we have side poses please

Aquarius
19-07-2014, 12:50 AM
can we have side poses please
I guess the picture is from the web.

Dr Zakir
19-07-2014, 01:10 AM
Oh i thought it was a personal collection

Aquarius
19-07-2014, 01:17 AM
Here is the link.. post #12


http://www.theakforum.net/forums/70-eastern-bloc-pistols/70746-yugoslav-hungarian-tokarevs.html

HeartTTAK
19-07-2014, 08:13 PM
Dr Zakir crony Aquarious bro and jonny c. I havent said its my personal pics. These are from web and for my knowledge i search web and the post which i like some where else i share here for ur knowledge update.2ndly im not making my self macho here to prove infront of someone. I dont need this kind of macho puna. So all the brothers commenting on my post could you plz make any reliable update here or just............. samajh tay gae howo gay

HeartTTAK
19-07-2014, 08:16 PM
Aquarious wrora if you know that post why didnt share it with us. Dont be mean.....
Ilm sadqa hay is ko phelana chiay. poe shway kana

Aquarius
19-07-2014, 09:51 PM
Aquarious wrora if you know that post why didnt share it with us. Dont be mean.....
Ilm sadqa hay is ko phelana chiay. poe shway kana
My dear HeartTTak Bro I posted the link to help you regarding Dr Zakir's query in post#152 & I have also appreciated you in my thread before for the nice share.. and you "Ulta mata ghusa kege".. just relax bro and enjoy life.

And BTW there are hundreds of thousands of threads like these on the web, so should I post all these threads to prove I am not mean.
PS: I appreciate your Pushto lolzz

Dr Zakir
20-07-2014, 12:30 AM
Dr Zakir crony Aquarious bro and jonny c. I havent said its my personal pics. These are from web and for my knowledge i search web and the post which i like some where else i share here for ur knowledge update.2ndly im not making my self macho here to prove infront of someone. I dont need this kind of macho puna. So all the brothers commenting on my post could you plz make any reliable update here or just............. samajh tay gae howo gay
Bro no hard feelings was happy to see that a fellow member has such a nice collection

Hadii
20-07-2014, 12:37 AM
Why go for desi when russian and Chinese does not cost fortune

joney
22-07-2014, 08:10 PM
Why go for desi when russian and Chinese does not cost fortune

Depends on need of use.

you cant rely on them but i guess for collection purpose or having shughal mela in the field will be good enough and they'll serve the purpose!