HUNTING IN ABBOTABAD

[Malik]

DID ANYBODY HEAR ABOUT DANGEROUS CHEETAH FAMILY,S PRESENCE WITHIN FORESTS OF ABBOTABAD?

[Omkhan]

Well even if its there , kindly dont HUNT it :)

[Sohail]

:), ok, then one can go at least to see them.

BTW i have heard that number of good hunting places (specially in Sindh) are already under control of Arabs who comes 1-2 times in a year?

regards to all

sohail



if you are not part of the solution - you are part of the problem.

[Firepower!]

Cheetah's are illegal to hunt

[Cap1]

@Sohail I'm not into hunting (yet) but yes Arabs are big time into it they have special storage garages in Karachi just to keep their vehicles.

[Syed]

i saw a pair of cheetah in 1997 on main road near natya galee while coming from muree to natya galee at mid night

[Malik]

dear brothers i have heard from someone that there are many dangerous cheetah or leopards who have killed some people in the area of abbotabbad . i myself read it in some newspaper couples of month ago. but also read that some people did not like it to be spread so m asking if any body heard of it?

[Abbas]

Every two years or so a story like that is reported and is mostly true. A think a few years back they even organized a hunt for the mankiller cheetah. It was in the Abbotabad area as well.

Till a few years ago Cheetaz etc were a common sight in Murree, often soaking in the sun rays watching people go by on the nearby Chairlift or peacefully playing with it's cubs.

[Omkhan]

Most cheetah attacks in galiyat were by mother cheetah who acted in the defence of its cub. thats what the papers wrote. Yes, Arabs have a big hand in mostly illegal hunting of precious birds & deers. e.g. they r very fond of "talur" which they think increases their .. well sexual power. They have hunted it badly here & it is almost vanished. Most of these arabs hunt in Thar & near Ghotki I believe where Mehrs live. Mehr family r one of the big hosts to these Arab Shaikhs

[Malik]

ARABS R HUNTING ALL OVER PAKISTAN . BEERS IN KASMIR R SAFE BCOZ OF BORDER PROBLEMS,OTHERWISE THEY WERE ALSO GONE.DID ANY BODY HEAR THAT WILD LIFE PEOPLE R TRYING TP STABLE THE POPULATION OF CHEETAH FAMILY IN ABBOTABAD?

[Firepower!]

need to stop arabs from plundering our reserves.

[Abbas]

Yeah we need to hunt em ourselves ;)

[TAREEN]

AOA, All.

Although slightly drifting away from the main topic, the discussion came to an interesting point, i.e., ‘Presence of Arab aristocracy in Pakistan for hunting’. I have some things to add to the topic which I thought should be there as most of the readers will be already knowledgeable about it.
Arabs do come here for hunting & have kind of leased the patches in Sindh & Baluchistan known for breeding & transit of local & migrating birds. For animals, its Cholistan. I agree to the fact that they hunt for recreation, but it ends there. What happens in the background of these headlines is that they spend billions annually (its not exaggerated) for the care, breeding & safety of these birds & animals. The money they end up spending here partially goes directly to our government & mainly disseminates among the local community. Few of the obvious expenditures are the local people getting jobs as caretakers, guides & staff all year round working together with local law enforcement agencies to stop illegal hunting & poaching. They have spent a fortune in form of dedicated vehicles, civil structures, staff & special allowances to help these birds & animals breed & grow in number in the wild & at the same time stop illegal killing. There are lots of people who make their living truly saving wildlife.

In my personal opinion, the money spent on the safety & breeding environment of these things ha no comparison to the very few birds they hunt off the breeding season. Secondly, wild animals & birds are not endangered by the likes of those who are learned & with vision as the members of this club but those who make their living killing them in bulk & selling them just as expensive and rare meat.

[Abbas]

I totally agree with Tareen's post. The Arab's who come to hunt here do provide a lot of services to the local communities in forms of jobs, free hospitals, schools etc. Also they are unobtrusive unlike our leaders who if they want to pass a road put everyone else's life on hold.

These guys will be living there and hunting for a week and no one from that area will even know. Another thing to mention is that these people generally hunt with Falcons rather than Guns.

[Malik]

and i wonder if tareen sb know about the arab palace of rahim yar khan, what happens there

[TAREEN]

Dear Malik Sb., although its their personal matter like everyone else's, I would still love to know about the inside story of the Arab palace...like most of other readers :)

[Gun Lover]

Do not hunt big cats
they are endangered
they only attack humans when there is no choice
mostly b/c of very bad health or like

no news on human attack after nathiagali incident
locals killed several after finally killing the original culprit
it was earlier hit by a vehicle had his teeth broken
and then resorted to humans for easy soft meal

[Abbas]

Keep on topic guys.. this one is about hunting in Abbotabad not the personal lives of arab princes.

[TAREEN]

rightly said...

[Firepower!]

What sort of game is there in Abbottabad to hunt?

I would say that you probably have to move up in the mountains to find anything decent.

If any one is from there, he may be able to organize a small gathering there.

[Malik]

actually i was silent and thinking if tareen sb want me banned by admin after my reply :D

[Malik]

my many friends here r against this hunt but i will sincerely advise that if any body likes hiking then plz donot forget ur weapon while on the way to galliyat from abbotabbad or from thandyani to abottabad or thandyani to galliyat.(off road)

[TAREEN]

Dear Malik Sb., pls let me elaborate on my remarks & have no hard feelings. I'm sure u'll take it lightly as we r all brothers here to share our experiences. As nicely put by Firepower! in another thread that the discussion should be within the parameters of of the original subject so the one looking for relevant information doesn't miss anything. I stand corrected myself to drift the subject from original topic. BTW Arabs have been an interesting subject from Hollywood to commoner because of their extravagance. They have to be extraordinary as they belong to an extraordinary place.

[Malik]

i accept tareen sb:cool:

[Ka_Khan]

Once i have the experience of Hunting in Mansehra area (north of Abbottabad).But not cheata's but ducks !!
Some years back the people hunted down a poor and hungry cheata in the 'Nawasher' area of abbottabad.
The poor creature came down from the side of Shimla Hill.It was locked in a house and killed !!

[TAREEN]

Locked & killed... This is not HUNTING! Its is killing :)

[Firepower!]

The folks who did this should be brought to justice.

[Saeen]

Total brutality


..... hunted down a poor and hungry cheata in the 'Nawasher' area of abbottabad.


On the lighter side i would love to see a rich and well-fed cheetah ;)

[Cap1]

i would love to see a rich and well-fed cheetah
Namibia's the place to go sir!

[Ka_Khan]

Dont Send him to Namibia otherwise cheata's there will also become 'poor and hungry'!!!
To continue.........Today (4-2-9)Urdu Newspaper "Ajj Kal" story,"people have spotted a cheata in the foothills of Shimla pahare and have CALLED the wildlife department for action.Lets hope they come up with something to catch it not to kill it.

[Sikander Panhwar]

dear friends cheetas r the only african specie. they r comon asian leopards.regards

[Ka_Khan]

Yes Leopards but the Locals call it 'Sheer".

[Glxspk]

Yeah we need to hunt em ourselves ;)

Who cheetahs or Arabs :P

[Glxspk]

Total brutality


..... hunted down a poor and hungry cheata in the 'Nawasher' area of abbottabad.


On the lighter side i would love to see a rich and well-fed cheetah ;)

What would you call a female version of that walking on two legs. :P

I'll opt to see that ;)

[Bullseye]

+1 to Sikandar..........

These are not Cheetahs, but Leopards.

[Ka_Khan]

@Glxspk..........Rabz !

[jigss]

there was a story of a man eater near abotabad few ears back which was hunted down by wild life people...they even announced a price for that cheeta as well but that was few years back n their was permission for that as well... so if there is a man eater out there the wildlife guys will take care of it or will let us knw if they needed any help... brother i will sincerely advice all who are thinking abt hunting these poor animals (leopards) that not to hunt them coz there are already people in these areas who hunt them for the sake of money as there meat n skin is very expensive.
beside that i did heard that there are rabbits in the outskirts of abbottabad but didnt get the chance 2 find out if its true or not.... :rolleyes:

[Ahmed Sultan]

dear friends cheetas r the only african specie. they r comon asian leopards.regards

Sikander Bhai, this is not true. There is an animal called Asiatic Cheetah, looks exactly the same as African Cheetah and is still found today in Iran. There are confirmed report of Asiatic Cheetah on the plains on Makran Range as late as 1980s. If you go there and talk to the old local hunters they call the common Leopard "Cheetah" as well, but they tell that there use to be another type of cheetah that was different from the current one, it had paws like dog i.e. without retractable claws and was much slimmer and use to chase down gazelles. From the world mamals guide, the historic Asiatic Cheetah range use to be through out the plains of Indian Subcontinent.

[Arslan_tareen]

1+ Ahmad bahi , contrary to common belief there is and has always been a Asiatic cheetah and Asiatic loins aswl a bit smaller then its african brothers in fact in older and golden days they use to be trained to hunt rabbits and small deer actually the confusing mixing of the names can be traced even to that times as it use to known as HUNTING LEOPARD at that time , there are many vintage videos where rajas have been seen Hunting with cheetahs in a same way falconry is done now a days . sadly though its thought to be extinct in Pakistan and is brink of extinction in iran . the Lion is long gone from Pakistan and is now only preserved in one national park of India in Gir forest Gujrat . if only our ancestors understood the meaning of preservation for the next generation sadly nor do most of us .

[Afzaal]

1+ Ahmad bahi , contrary to common belief there is and has always been a Asiatic cheetah and Asiatic loins aswl a bit smaller then its african brothers in fact in older and golden days they use to be trained to hunt rabbits and small deer actually the confusing mixing of the names can be traced even to that times as it use to known as HUNTING LEOPARD at that time , there are many vintage videos where rajas have been seen Hunting with cheetahs in a same way falconry is done now a days . sadly though its thought to be extinct in Pakistan and is brink of extinction in iran . the Lion is long gone from Pakistan and is now only preserved in one national park of India in Gir forest Gujrat . if only our ancestors understood the meaning of preservation for the next generation sadly nor do most of us .


maybe you are talking about this one

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NevenDIp95A

[Haris]

These are leopards (local name Guldar, Tendwa, Cheetah) according to these two sites

http://www.wildlifeofpakistan.com/WildlifeCampaigns/savingthecommonleopardsinpakistan.htm

http://www.nathiagali.com/?page_id=205

[marlin vs]

Very good video Afzaal, thank you. :)

[Sikander Panhwar]

ahmed bhai u r right but they r no longer exsists in pakistan,the one captured or killed in the areas they r mentioning r only specie called comon leopard,one of my friend also accidently killed one 3 years ago,but one of these days there r no cheetas left in pakistan may b in iran im not sure,even the leopard in sind is histrory last was killed by dr rizvi in keethar range.though ppl still say they have vitness in balochistan area but i dont think so,may b one or 2,but no athentic reports.