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Hamid
28-04-2009, 09:37 AM
How to check the condition of a used handgun


Before handling any firearm, always open the action and verify that both the chamber and the magazine are empty. Remove the magazine if possible. Every time a firearm changes hands it should be cleared.

1. Look at the overall condition of the gun. Notice the condition of the bluing and the overall wear. Look for rust pitting on external metal surfaces. Are the grips in good condition? All screws should be tight and the screw heads un-marred. The gun doesn't have to be perfect in every area, but it should show care rather than neglect. A pistol could be rough on the outside, yet perfect on the inside, but the chances are that an owner who didn't care for the external parts of a gun also didn't care for the parts you can't see.

2. The size, shape and angle of the grip should fit your hand. When you bring the gun to eye level your master eye should be looking straight down on the barrel. The gun should not be tipped up or down. Having a gun that points naturally is especially important for a pistol that might be used for protection.

3. Look carefully down the external length of the barrel to see that it looks straight and there are no subtle bulges. Don't buy any handgun if you suspect that the barrel (or the cylinder of a revolver) has been bulged, no matter how slightly, or if it is not straight. Also look at the crown of the muzzle--it should not be dented.

4. Note the position of the rear sight on guns with adjustable sights. If it is way off to one side, suspect some sort of problem and ask to shoot the gun to verify accuracy before purchase. If the seller refuses, reject the deal.

5. Check the condition of the grips. There should not be any splits, chips, or cracks in the grips, particularly if you are looking at a discontinued model (for which it may be hard to find replacement grips). Scratches in the grip finish, worn checkering, and tiny nicks in the grips will not affect the gun's function, but should lower the price.

As the screws holding wood grips to the grip frame are tightened they will tend to pull deeper and deeper into the wood. Check to see that they are not about to pull clear through. This is particularly common with Ruger single action (SA) revolvers, but applies to most guns with wooden grip panels.

6. Get permission to dry fire the gun and check the trigger pull. Dry firing will not hurt most centerfire handguns, but it is still a good idea to use snap caps to protect the firing pin. Snap caps have been discussed in separate thread on the forum.

Whatever the trigger pull weight, it should be consistent from shot to shot. If it feels like a stock factory trigger (too heavy with some creep), fine, you can get it adjusted later. If it feels crisp and breaks at 2.5-3 pounds it has probably been worked on or adjusted. This is great if done properly, as it will save you some money, but make sure that the piece will not jar off.

To test this, get permission to bump the butt of the cocked handgun against some firm but padded surface. The gun should not fire. Push against the fully cocked hammer (if the pistol has one) with your thumb--it should not slip out of its notch; reject the gun if it does.

7. Check the inside of the barrel (and the chambers of a revolver's cylinder). If the barrel is dirty, ask that it be cleaned or for permission to clean it yourself. Do not oil the barrel after cleaning, and be suspicious of any barrel that has been oiled. The shine from the oil can hide minor barrel imperfections and pitting. (A friend of mine, who is in the car restoration business, washes the prospective purchase to have a close view of the vehicle's condition. Same rule holds true for weapons.)

Once the barrel is reasonably clean, dry, and oil free, open the action or remove the barrel and look into it from both ends. Use a bore light. Hopefully it will be clean and bright with sharp rifling. A slight amount of rust or pitting inside the barrel (or the cylinder of a revolver) will ordinarily not seriously degrade the performance of a handgun, unless it is a target pistol, but it should lower the used price.

Specific things to check on used revolvers

1. Note the condition of the forcing cone at the back of the barrel. Slight erosion in this area, particularly on magnum revolvers, is not cause for concern, but it should not be seriously eroded. The more erosion you see the more the gun has been fired with heavy loads.

2. Check for cutting of the top strap at the cylinder gap, particularly with magnum revolvers. A little erosion here will not hurt, but excessive cutting is undesirable and indicates a lot of shooting with heavy loads, or a wide cylinder gap, or both.

3. To test the safety notch of a traditional single action revolver, pull firmly (about 8-10 pounds--this is not intended to be a test to destruction) on the trigger with the hammer in the safety notch to see if it can be easily forced. Put the revolver on half cock (the loading position) and repeat the test, applying about 5 pounds of pressure on the trigger. The hammer should not drop. This test does not apply to New Model (two screw) Ruger SA revolvers, as they use a different lockwork than traditional SA revolvers.

4. The cylinder of Colt double action revolvers should be completely tight when the trigger is pulled all the way back (the hand forces the cylinder against the bolt). S&W revolvers are never as tight as a Colt, but at least they should not rattle. Slight cylinder play is permissible with S&W DA (and also Ruger SA) revolvers.

5. Check the cylinder gap. It should not exceed .010", and .006" is ideal. Cock the gun to turn the cylinder so that every chamber, in turn, lines up with the barrel. The cylinder gap should remain constant.

Also, the cylinder should not slide back and forth appreciably on the cylinder pin. This is called endplay, and it generally increases with use.

6. The crane of a swing out cylinder DA revolver should fit tight to the frame (when closed) without any unsightly gaps. If it doesn't the crane may be sprung. When you wiggle the cylinder with your fingers the crane should barely move, if at all.

While you are at it, check to make sure that the ejector rod has not been bent. This is easy to see if you spin the cylinder, which should spin true.

7. Use you fingers or thumb to put a small amount of drag on the cylinder while you manually cock the revolver (single action mode). The cylinder bolt should click into the locking notches in the cylinder, locking the cylinder in place, at the end of each segment of cylinder rotation. If it does not, the gun is out of time and needs work. Then rapidly thumb cock the gun (don't "fan" a revolver)--the cylinder should not rotate past the proper locking notch. Also, the bolt should not be dragging on the cylinder as it turns. If it does it will leave a clearly visible wear line in the cylinder's finish.

8. Examine the sideplate of a DA revolver. If it has been improperly disassembled it may show pry marks at the edge or have been warped. The sideplate should fit flush and tight, without any gaps.

9. Check the tip of the firing pin, it should be smooth and rounded, not sharp or broken. The firing pin hole should not be chipped or burred.

Specific things to check on used semi-automatic pistols

1. See that all of the controls work smoothly and with a reasonable amount of pressure. The safety should prevent the gun from firing (check by setting the safety and pulling the trigger normally). The slide lock should hold the slide open. The magazine release should release the magazine easily and yet hold it securely in place until it is pushed. If there is a grip safety the gun should not fire unless the grip safety fully depressed. If there is a magazine safety the gun should not fire unless the magazine is in place.

2. Cycle an autoloader to verify that it operates smoothly and properly. See that the slide is tight and reasonably free of slop when closed and the pistol is cocked. (There is ordinarily some play or the gun will not function.) Verify that the pistol fieldstrips and reassembles correctly. Also see that the action has been kept reasonably clean for proper functioning.

3. Examine the slide (especially at the front and at the ejection port) and frame for excessive wear or cracks. Aluminum alloy frames are particularly susceptible to developing hairline cracks (and eventually failing) from extended use.

4. The cocked hammer or striker of a SA auto pistol should not drop when the slide is closed smartly. If you can make the hammer drop by letting the slide slam closed the gun is unsafe.

5. Check the magazine(s) for wear and condition. A proper magazine is very important to the functioning of an autoloading pistol. You want the original, name brand, magazine(s) in good condition. Inspect the feed lips for bends, cracks and wear, and insure that the seam at the back of the magazine is tight.

Also check the bottom of the magazine to insure that it has not been ejected from the pistol and allowed to fall to the ground. This looks great on TV or at action matches, but in real life it is very hard on magazines. Magazines are not expendable.

Curtesy
www.chuckhawks.com (http://www.chuckhawks.com)

Balazona
28-04-2009, 11:30 AM
Very informative post.well done Hamid.

Hamid
28-04-2009, 11:38 AM
@Balazona

Thanks

Balazona
28-04-2009, 11:42 AM
Hamid,try to post the Link only next time.this way we can save the space for other posts.
cheers. :)

Enigmatic Desires
28-04-2009, 12:09 PM
Gr8 post Hamid...

Hamid
28-04-2009, 12:20 PM
I am thinking to apply my subediting skills and make future posts compact. Will do it next time. Bloggers' rule says no post should be more than 200 words.

Ka_Khan
28-04-2009, 12:28 PM
Good Work Hamid.We really needed it.

HassaanAfzal
28-04-2009, 12:30 PM
very nice

Bluff
28-04-2009, 12:39 PM
good show bro ... tell us something abt rifles and shotguns...... keep it up

BendingBullets
28-04-2009, 12:43 PM
Good stuff

Hamid
28-04-2009, 12:47 PM
My boss condemned me today and threw me in the evening shift:(
So I will be spending more time on the forum :) and share the stuff with you guys.

Balazona
28-04-2009, 12:51 PM
So, the thread tiltle suppose to be now,
How to check the condition of Boss Mood.
lolzzz :D

Bluff
28-04-2009, 12:54 PM
@Balazona ..... best practice for checking gun is ..........check it on BOSS:D

Hamid
28-04-2009, 12:57 PM
+1 bluff

if the gun fires, i will buy it. lol

Ka_Khan
28-04-2009, 01:18 PM
:D
Request to Admin: Nice Posts,should be shifted to GupShup section.
Besides...Nice target to check the accuracy of Gun ! ;)

Hamid
28-04-2009, 02:01 PM
Sometimes I fantasise bringing a paintball gun in office and giving some fun time to the boss:D

omar4494
28-04-2009, 04:16 PM
Excellent and very informative post. thanks again.(Y)

AK47
28-04-2009, 04:22 PM
This guide couldn't be more detailed. As far as barrel check is concerned, I have seen people checking by inserting the projectile from the other end of rifle barrel and marking a line around it. What for, checking barrel expansion, or what? Is it really indicative of anything?

Hamid
29-04-2009, 04:03 PM
I have seen this practice before. I think it is to check wheather there are blockings in the barrel or any bulges in it where the projectile passes through quickly.

Striker1
29-04-2009, 06:01 PM
Hamid Great info. THX

Mohammad
29-04-2009, 08:14 PM
whenever one has to buy a gun, always take an expert with yourself e.g when i went buying a pistol for my friend, i took the gunsmith with myself. We were able to identify 4 local made TT pretending to be sold as real ones.....

AK47
01-05-2009, 01:31 AM
Nice info Hamid. And Mohammad..... Really daring by those dealers to present Desi's to locals over there!

Topak
11-05-2009, 10:50 AM
dealer dont allow much detailed inspection of guns. when i need to buy a MP5 type 30 bore pistol i demanded the dealer to show its loading bridge and other external parts,he refused so i also refused to buy the pistol.
most of dealers in my city gujranwala sell low quality arms and they dont let to check it.they also allow to fire a shot after the purchase.

Hamid
11-05-2009, 03:45 PM
@topak, immediately stop going to such dealers. they are black sheep. May be its due to lack of education or awareness.
I was reading some posts in which a dealer told a member that pump action is more powerful than a semiauto as pumping it increases its power. I havent heard anything more idiotic than this.

Enigmatic Desires
11-05-2009, 07:21 PM
@topak, immediately stop going to such dealers. they are black sheep. May be its due to lack of education or awareness.
I was reading some posts in which a dealer told a member that pump action is more powerful than a semiauto as pumping it increases its power. I havent heard anything more idiotic than this.


He WHAT :O???

Hamid
11-05-2009, 07:40 PM
@topak, immediately stop going to such dealers. they are black sheep. May be its due to lack of education or awareness.
I was reading some posts in which a dealer told a member that pump action is more powerful than a semiauto as pumping it increases its power. I havent heard anything more idiotic than this.


He WHAT :O???

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