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jawin
01-06-2011, 11:34 PM
Salams,

What do you prefer a Decocker or a Manual Safety for a Concealed Carry Handgun?

For carrying it Loaded "Plus one" in Chamber :mod:

I'm a Learner Here at PakGuns Uni....:ranger:
Members please discuss this matter in detail !!!

Best Regards

Faisji
02-06-2011, 12:01 AM
i find the decocker much easier prospect and much more suited for tactical usage since the first shot breaks at a much heavier poundage so the chance of accidental discharge is small unless you are not paying enough attention to your trigger finger.

Enigmatic Desires
02-06-2011, 12:13 AM
Cant imagine life w/o either

AK47
02-06-2011, 01:51 AM
Decocker for chambered carry, safety not ideal for chambered carry, yes, I said NOT ideal, my prs opinion. Decocker for the "serious" chambered CC, employed safety kind of inhibits the very purpose of chambered stand-by CC and is more of protection against "unwanted" fingers on your trigger. The issue with Glocks is basically not the absence of a manual safety, but the absence of a decocking option. Best are guns with both options, like Beretta, Stoeger, etc, using same lever for both functions, Taurus OSS tactical a unique example in striker fired ones, with 3 ways lever, cock, decock, lock, SA mode in cocked status, back to DA mode in decocked status, excellent feature. Regards.

Arslan_tareen
02-06-2011, 10:18 AM
1+ Ak47 bro , to sum it up , in todays situation decoder option seems to be the more feasible one , the time of when CC/SD was possible with manual safety is long gone in our country , but for HD/target practice manual safety wins hands down .

Starfish
02-06-2011, 04:32 PM
The issue with Glocks is basically not the absence of a manual safety, but the absence of a decocking option.

Sir jee.??
Glock is not completely cocked until the last stages of a trigger pull. The striker can not fire a round without pre cocking of the trigger. So essentially, for all purposes of this discussion, consider glock a decocked weapon :)

AK47
02-06-2011, 06:34 PM
Lolz! Sir Jee, I knew that Glock defenders would come to the rescue and I humbly did not mean a Glock debate as such, just a casual remark in relevance to the general Glock criticism amongst the more puritan of gunners, lolz.

Anyhow, yes I do know about the "half cocked" Glock Safe Action "doctrine", but trigger pull of Glocks is relatively lighter than traditional DA mode, even non-customized, trigger pre-travel shorter, and trigger action crisper, I doubt it's comparable to longer travelling, heavier DA pulls, but correct me if I'm totally off the marks, I'm not a Glock specialist at all, but have heard and read of quite a magnitude of mishaps, even by Lea's.

Personally, I've always preferred traditional, half cocked DA/SA mode in external hammer guns, and of striker fired ones I really envy the 2/4/7 OSS Tactical cocking/decoking/locking features, maintaining traditional DA/SA mode. Just wish it wasn't a Taurus, would since long have been inducted here. Regards.

Ameer
02-06-2011, 08:23 PM
I am not sure whether i have understood it completely.

For me the likes and dislikes matter if its a situation of SD. Indeed the gun is carried for SD, but how serious it is. I dont carry my gun e a chambered bullet in Islamabad, but situation is serious when i am in DIKhan its always chambered and external safety is off.

So, i like guns e decocker with or without manual safety. I want my cc gun to be drawn quickly (simultaneously cocking during withdrawal), once its withdrawn it should be in SA mode.


regards

jawin
02-06-2011, 10:52 PM
Thanks to all Respective members who took part in discussion.
AK47 Bro sorry again but I could not understand your point:


Decocker for chambered carry, safety not ideal for chambered carry, yes, I said NOT ideal, my prs opinion. Decocker for the "serious" chambered CC, employed safety kind of inhibits the very purpose of chambered stand-by CC and is more of protection against "unwanted" fingers on your trigger.
You said that you will prefer a Decocker but why do you prefer it over Manual safety ... Please expain it again.

Best Regards

Trigger_happy78
02-06-2011, 11:17 PM
I agree with Ak47 bro that ultimate safety is the guns with three point safety i.e safety and decocker in one. But I prefer the guns with manual safety, if the gun doesn't have a 3 point safety, because the manual safety locks the sear and the trigger mechanism of the gun. So trigger cant be pulled accidentally, and slide cant be racked. I feel safe that way.

Nazim Sahib
02-06-2011, 11:21 PM
I carry a Makarov in which the safety is the decocker.Its always chambered and ready with the safety on.It takes a second to take the safety off so it doesnt matter much.I keep it like that pretty much all the time and it suits me perfectly.

AK47
02-06-2011, 11:33 PM
Thanks to all Respective members who took part in discussion.
AK47 Bro sorry again but I could not understand your point:


You said that you will prefer a Decocker but why do you prefer it over Manual safety ... Please expain it again.

Best Regards

No issues explaining again. In the haste and "heat of the moment", in any critical SD situation, your natural defensive reaction would be to just "draw n' pull" the damn thing for a quick bang, no time to think about crappy, employed safeties to have deactivated first. Remember, we're talking DEFENSE, where the benefit of surprise is already with the would-be assailant and to be overcome by you, hence no time playing around with safeties, so I can live without these, and would prefer a decocker instead, for the safe chambering of live rounds, perhaps on daily basis, and it is a great "safety" by itself to me and my surroundings.

Hence, safeties to me are more for stupids trying out the feel of my unattended gun, which I'd never leave unattended, anyways. Regards.

Sami
03-06-2011, 01:31 AM
A.O.A, good inputs. I would try to put some parameters on the topic of this debate. De-cocker or M. safety for what type of H.gun (i) Service (ii) Conceal carry. Service guns usually carried using side holsters; they are rugged, medium frame thus having external safeties. But when we talk about perfect conceal ability, element of surprise and as mentioned by Ak47 that never leave your gun unattended than I would recall Sir Skeeter60 once said that concealed gun should be without any safeties. A.H

Wolf Hunter
03-06-2011, 02:13 AM
@Ak47
@ Stigma
Fully agreed with you.
@Faisji
Your statement has confused to a layman or a learner as they are interested in HD/SD and not yet intrested in tactical use.

Ameer
03-06-2011, 10:29 AM
No issues explaining again. In the haste and "heat of the moment", in any critical SD situation, your natural defensive reaction would be to just "draw n' pull", no time to think about crappy, employed safeties to have deactivated first. Remember, we're talking DEFENSE, where the benefit of surprise is already with the would-be assailant and to be overcome by you, hence no time playing around with safeties, so I can live without these, and would prefer a decocker instead, for safe chambering of live rounds, perhaps on daily basis, and is a great "safety" by itself to me and my surroundings. Hence, safeties to me are more for stupids trying out the feel of my unattended gun, which I'd never leave unattended, anyways. Regards.


+1 sir ji AK47, the long pull of first DA shot in DA/SA handguns is an enough security in case of accidental trigger pull.

Well in my handgun When i chamber my bullet, i switch on the manual safety, the hammer gets decocked itself but without striking the (the fining pin is burried with safety on). I then turn off the safety and keep it in my holster or anywh in quick reach.

Again i say decocker for CC/SD

Faisji
03-06-2011, 10:31 AM
@Wolf hunter

I thought i was on a gun forum.HD/SD without tactics is like swimming without water it doesn't work.

If people get confused by what i wrote this what i mean.

"The decocker is better than manual safety as when in the heat of the moment i would prefer a 9 lb trigger over a safety lever that might reguire me to turn the gun barrel away from the target."

Also tactical doesn't mean taking part in the world war 3 it means learning from successes and failures of those who do this a bit more than the average joe.

Every SD/HD instructor that you can find comes from a military or LE background.

Wolf Hunter
03-06-2011, 02:23 PM
@ Faisji
First u should be clear about what "Tactics" originally means and then guide others. Other wise with a confusing statements you 'll confuse the new members or the people new in guns.This is very sensitive when we talk of guns.
Object of correcting mistakes is alsways good and should be taken in postive spirits.
I would like to corrct your ideas about Tactics that it does not mean to learn from success or failure. The art and science of the detailed direction and control of movement or manoeuvre of forces in battle to achieve an aim or task.

Skeeter60
03-06-2011, 08:44 PM
A very professional and important discussion; kindly let us be cool and focus on the issue only.
The safety is a very controversial issue.
Some guns have it on the pistols frame (where it belongs ) 1911 and CZs, others have it on the slide like the Beretta 92 and Tauras and many others.
Slide mounted safeties do have issues with them, as Mr Faisji has pointed out very correctly one has to not only tilt the gun to the right out of alignment but also shift it in the hand spoiling the grip in order to manipulate the Safety.
The second problem is that if one rakes the slide in ANGER the slide mounted decocker or the safety also get gets worked ruining your day.
Now the Frame Mounted Safeties are where they should be; there is the least bit of mis alignment and movement of the gun to remove the safety. These safeties are very functional and fool proof.
Now comes the catch; Mr AK 47, Faisji, Stigma and Starfish and Ameer have indicated that a loaded and cocked gun is still like a grenade with the pin removed but the lever squeezed in a death grip.
I admit I can never carry a loaded and cocked gun with the safety applied unless it has a 1911 type GripSafety. In case a gun has a safety but no grip safety 1911 type then I load a round in the chamber and lower the hammer slowly with the thumb while squeezing the trigger, in case of DA the gun is good as a Glock and in case of SA one will have to cock it which will take time and mis align the gun and spoil /delay the crucial first shot.
Enter Glock. This is one gun which is the safest with a round in the chamber as it is not cocked fully till one pulls the trigger. Also it is fumble free you draw point and shoot.
Now guns with DECOCKERS are a very good compromise, one loads and Decocks without fear of hammer slippage due to oily hands or while one is under the influence.
The only problem with the decocked DA guns is that there is a sea change in the grip, finger position and feel of the trigger on transition from DA to SA on the second shot. One MUST practice firing his DA gun with the first shot DA and one or two SA on Targets at least once a month otherwise one is not ready to go in harms way.
Trigger_ happy78 and jawin I remain at your service to answer any questions to explain my self better.
Wolf hunter brother we have tactics in card games ,cricket ,hockey foot ball and while saving ones life one has to apply tactics the gun is like a racquet or a hockey stick or a bat.
Thank you all for a lively discussion after a long time.

Faisji
03-06-2011, 09:01 PM
Mr AK 47, Faisji, Stigma and Starfish and Ameer have indicated that a loaded and cocked gun is still like a grenade with the pin removed but the lever squeezed in a death grip.
I admit I can never carry a loaded and cocked gun with the safety applied unless it has a 1911 type GripSafety. In case a gun has a safety but no grip safety 1911 type then I load a round in the chamber and lower the hammer slowly with the thumb while squeezing the trigger, in case of DA the gun is good as a Glock and in case of SA one will have to cock it which will take time and mis align the gun and spoil /delay the crucial first shot.
Enter Glock. This is one gun which is the safest with a round in the chamber as it is not cocked fully till one pulls the trigger. Also it is fumble free you draw point and shoot.
Now guns with DECOCKERS are a very good compromise, one loads and Decocks without fear of hammer slippage due to oily hands or while one is under the influence.
The only problem with the decocked DA guns is that there is a sea change in the grip, finger position and feel of the trigger on transition from DA to SA on the second shot. One MUST practice firing his DA gun with the first shot DA and one or two SA on Targets at least once a month otherwise one is not ready to go in harms way.
T

+1

I am used to carrying guns in condition 3 and condition 2 with occasional condition 0 when needed so i am actually quite comfortable with it. For me trigger and muzzle discipline is more important than the variety of safeties a gun can have.

jawin
03-06-2011, 10:25 PM
@ Sir Skeeter60. Thanks for leaving Great Long Notes for us. Really informative stuff that you explained all types of safeties to us and their pro and cons.


I admit I can never carry a loaded and cocked gun with the safety applied unless it has a 1911 type GripSafety. In case a gun has a safety but no grip safety 1911 type then I load a round in the chamber and lower the hammer slowly with the thumb while squeezing the trigger, in case of DA the gun is good as a Glock and in case of SA one will have to cock it which will take time and mis align the gun and spoil /delay the crucial first shot.
Enter Glock. This is one gun which is the safest with a round in the chamber as it is not cocked fully till one pulls the trigger. Also it is fumble free you draw point and shoot.
Now guns with DECOCKERS are a very good compromise, one loads and Decocks without fear of hammer slippage due to oily hands or while one is under the influence.
Finally you said that you do not play with Safeties (unless it has a 1911 type GripSafety) and Decoker is yours ulitmate better option. Please correct me if I understood it wrong.


The only problem with the decocked DA guns is that there is a sea change in the grip, finger position and feel of the trigger on transition from DA to SA on the second shot. One MUST practice firing his DA gun with the first shot DA and one or two SA on Targets at least once a month otherwise one is not ready to go in harms way.
A very good advise and great contribution for all PAKGUNNERS.

Thank again to all members.

Best Regards

12GAUGE
06-06-2011, 01:55 AM
AoA Everybody

Great discussion going on and I humbly request to offer my two cents on the subject. To me the only truly safety is the one between an operator's ears. anything else (be it a safety or a decocker) are nothing more than switches and knobs that only offer a false sense of security/safety. however we do need them from time to time as they do one thing quiet superbly. that is, they provide us something to pin our stupidity/mistakes on.

OOPS! IT WASN'T ME, IT WAS THE SAFETY THAT DIDN'T WORK. OOPS! I DIDN'T KNEW THERE WAS A ROUND IN THE CHAMBER. OOPS! I ACCIDENTALLY FORGOT TO TURN THE SAFETY OFF.

sounds familiar?

moving on, I never carry a round in the chamber. never felt the need to. why? because in my humble opinion, it requires very little time in racking the slide and chambering the round so why carry a round in there in the first place. how many milliseconds we can save by taking this very dangerous route.

someone might argue that even a single millisecond is more than enough to turn the tables around and change the outcome of a fight. well, In my humble opinion, that is nothing more than pure Hollywood talk. ever wonder why in movies the good guy always takes out his gun first and shoots two bad guys standing left and right and in slow motion?

the only time I can benefit from a firearm is when I can foresee or realize or recognize an imminent danger approaching. shorter than that, its pretty much pointless for me to even carry a gun let alone carry a loaded firearm. because there simply isn't time to react. unless i'm in a Hollywood movie locked in a face-off with two bad guys and wearing a t-shirt with a punisher skull.

so, where all that leaves me, well....the only time I find a decoker usefull is when I need to draw my weapon out, rack the slide, wait for the imminent danger to approach and leave, decock the weapon, remove the magazine, empty the chamber by racking the slide again.

so for all practical purposes I only need a single action firearm with no safety/decocker of any kind whatsoever. I do need all the bells and whistles (SA/DA, decocker, safety) to show them off to my friends however.

Regards.

Wolf Hunter
06-06-2011, 02:41 AM
@12 guage
Very nicely and in a simple yet in an effective way of elaborating the view point.I would appreciate if your inputs generates the discussion on my newand an important thread " various situations and our reactions".
But still i would say that during travelling when we ourselves are driving when our both hands r engaged either in steering or on gearshift, one can take chance of carrying chambered handgun.

MIdreesTaj
06-06-2011, 08:42 AM
I think a firing pin block is more of a safety than the decocker and safety switches.
These are user preference based modes for carrying a handgun with a round chambered. Although I would not take a gun missing firing pin block and having a live round up its throat.

AK47
06-06-2011, 10:21 AM
Well, I'm not amazed at all to see that respected bro 12G and I RARELY, if ever, manage to agree, be it cal. 45 vs 9mm, chambered/unchambered or safety vs decocker, lolz! Basically a tale of 2 different perspectives. The odds of leaving your house in the morning and running into a traffic accident are estimated at around 1 to 5000, an encounter with a random BG in today's world may hover between 1 to 5000 and 1 to 10000, or perhaps lesser even, so if you're one, ordinary and lucky guy to only have the fear of "random" BG encounters, keep it unchambered and no need of decockers and kuddus to 12G bro's excellent input. Yet, I've seen local "Hollywoods" and not every opponent is necessarily "gun alient" or Pathan type guy with turban and stick, herding sheep along the roadside. Yes, you gotto be the first with the iron out and land the first bang, so chambered and decocked with no crappy safety employed is my preferred carry mode. Life today IS kind of Hollywood, terriby missing the wonderful 70' ies. Regards. PS. +1 to Wolf Hunter on both hands engaged.

Skeeter60
06-06-2011, 03:03 PM
AoA Everybody

Great discussion going on and I humbly request to offer my two cents on the subject. To me the only truly safety is the one between an operator's ears. anything else (be it a safety or a decocker) are nothing more than switches and knobs that only offer a false sense of security/safety. however we do need them from time to time as they do one thing quiet superbly. that is, they provide us something to pin our stupidity/mistakes on.

OOPS! IT WASN'T ME, IT WAS THE SAFETY THAT DIDN'T WORK. OOPS! I DIDN'T KNEW THERE WAS A ROUND IN THE CHAMBER. OOPS! I ACCIDENTALLY FORGOT TO TURN THE SAFETY OFF.

sounds familiar?

moving on, I never carry a round in the chamber. never felt the need to. why? because in my humble opinion, it requires very little time in racking the slide and chambering the round so why carry a round in there in the first place. how many milliseconds we can save by taking this very dangerous route.

someone might argue that even a single millisecond is more than enough to turn the tables around and change the outcome of a fight. well, In my humble opinion, that is nothing more than pure Hollywood talk. ever wonder why in movies the good guy always takes out his gun first and shoots two bad guys standing left and right and in slow motion?

the only time I can benefit from a firearm is when I can foresee or realize or recognize an imminent danger approaching. shorter than that, its pretty much pointless for me to even carry a gun let alone carry a loaded firearm. because there simply isn't time to react. unless i'm in a Hollywood movie locked in a face-off with two bad guys and wearing a t-shirt with a punisher skull.

so, where all that leaves me, well....the only time I find a decoker usefull is when I need to draw my weapon out, rack the slide, wait for the imminent danger to approach and leave, decock the weapon, remove the magazine, empty the chamber by racking the slide again.

so for all practical purposes I only need a single action firearm with no safety/decocker of any kind whatsoever. I do need all the bells and whistles (SA/DA, decocker, safety) to show them off to my friends however.

Regards.

I guess old age is catchin' up I do not remember when or even if I ever did see a Single Action pistol without safety except Serious Target pistols. The Single Action reveolvers are without safety though.
The Glock's unique safe action is the best for SD , CC.
Followed by double action pistols with safeties, or decockers in my humble opinion.
MIT s point is very correct a pin block is a must on CC guns.

Tiger Roars
06-06-2011, 04:26 PM
+1,,,Skeeter60.

jawin
06-06-2011, 05:48 PM
I agree with AK47, Skeeter60 Bro and other respective brothers and I want to share a Ture stroy happened few months back with my father's friend. As there is no Hollywood stuff involved in it I can assure U that It is 98% true, believe me and we can learn many things from it.

"The Subject (my father's friend) on his way back home at Midnight. Was travalling in a car with two bodygaurds , one carrying a PB rifle and other carring a 12G shotgun; both guns were Not Loaded. Subject was on driving seat ,one gaurd on front seat and one at the back.
They were travelling on a Single-track road near a Industrial Area in Lahore District. The road was Bumpy and under construction. There was a carriage Van ahead of them travelling at a speed of 10 km/h. The van ulitmately stoped due to the road condition and Three Robbers appeared with Pistols in their hands. Two of them went towards the Van and pulled the van driver out and one Robber came back towards the Subject's car from the left side. In a Flash of time the robber realised that his Clients are carring guns and started firing while running away , as in the mean while, Subjects Gaurds were loading their guns in panic. One Gaurd on the front seat was hit under his right shoulder. After fealing the heat of that hit that gaurd opened a brust on the front van where other two robbers were hiding forcing them two run away. In the same mode of time the Subject who was driving reversed, the car a bit, overtaked that van and ran to Saftey."

After this story I also agree with 12Gaugue bro's term but in another way that " its pretty much pointless for me to even carry a gun"

Sometime Carrying a Big gun can become a huge Risk for you as after carrying that it is hard for you to surrender. Robbers will not assume that you will not fire.

Concealed carry is fine where you can decide to use it or not , just surrender. After all our main motive is to protect our life and all other thing are secondary.

Also stroy tell us the importance of carrying a weapon loaded (1 in chamber) they must have killed all three before approching to them by element of surprise, in the above senerio. We must be fully prepared for a potential threat otherwise no point of carrying a gun..

All depends on a person an situation.

Excuse me for my English, I am not very gud in stroy telling. I know that.

BestRegards

Avais
06-06-2011, 05:59 PM
If I am good in caring and handling my gun, i will prefer de-cocker and a bullet in the chamber.

AK47
06-06-2011, 07:11 PM
+1 Jawin, Awais bro. Excellent share Jawin, the issue was not that the guards were carrying weapons, but that they were carrying empty "pipes" of steel. This confirms my earlier post that local "Hollywoods" are all around. Carry mode should be of potential "go off" nature, provided, as Awais bro mentions, you're "one" with your gun. Empty "plumbing pipes" better be left back home. Regards.

jawin
06-06-2011, 07:22 PM
+1 Jawin, Awais bro. Excellent share Jawin, the issue was not that the guards were carrying weapons, but that they were carrying empty "pipes" of steel. This confirms my earlier post that local "Hollywoods" are all around. Carry mode should be of potential "go off" nature, provided, as Awais bro mentions, you're "one" with your gun. Empty "plumbing pipes" better be left back home. Regards.
Thanks for liking my post and well said!

Best Regards

12GAUGE
06-06-2011, 10:00 PM
I guess old age is catchin' up I do not remember when or even if I ever did see a Single Action pistol without safety except Serious Target pistols. The Single Action reveolvers are without safety though.
The Glock's unique safe action is the best for SD , CC.
Followed by double action pistols with safeties, or decockers in my humble opinion.
MIT s point is very correct a pin block is a must on CC guns.

Sir i never said that such a pistol exists and everybody should start looking for a single action pistol with no safety/decocker. I only listed my personal preference which is only dictated by what I use and what I dont. when I said "I only need a single action pistols without any safety or decocker", I strictly meant that i use my handguns in SA mode only even though they are quiet conventionally SA/DA and never get to use a decocker/safety.

Regards.

Denovo87
08-06-2011, 08:32 PM
Where have all the Hollywood macho's gone? been 48 hour and no post... com'on guys we were enjoying the valorous discussion ;)

AK47
08-06-2011, 09:04 PM
Where have all the Hollywood macho's gone? been 48 hour and no post... com'on guys we were enjoying the valorous discussion ;)

Ha ha ha ha, Denovo bro, you're indeed a devoted part of Audience, why not take up an active role now, casting vacancy of a .357 Mag carrying "Eastwood" is still to be filled, also where the heck is respected OP? The "show" must go on. Regards.

cyanide.dipped
09-06-2011, 10:04 AM
Great discussion.

My personal preference: a safety, with an SA mode. Of course I am a 1911 fan. But even on a 24/7 pro g2, I'd prefer one in the chamber, hammer cocked, and safety applied.

Basically it all comes down to what you train with and feel comfortable with.

Sometimes racking the slide is not easily possible in emergency situations, or while driving for example, as stated. At other times you might have to shield someone, or carry something in your reaction hand. Sure you can rack the slide on your belt buckle, with your shoe or on any hard surface if you practice well, but it will take time. Having a bullet in chamber with a manual safety applied is what I feel comfortable with. And I am not too good with DA trigger pull. Affects my accuracy.

Just my two cs.

Regards,
CD.

Skeeter60
10-06-2011, 04:26 AM
Sir i never said that such a pistol exists and everybody should start looking for a single action pistol with no safety/decocker. I only listed my personal preference which is only dictated by what I use and what I dont. when I said "I only need a single action pistols without any safety or decocker", I strictly meant that i use my handguns in SA mode only even though they are quiet conventionally SA/DA and never get to use a decocker/safety.

Regards.

Do not be up set the TT 7.62 original Russian and chinese were single action and never had a safety. I would never carry it Cocked and without safety

Enigmatic Desires
10-06-2011, 05:15 AM
Safety on an weapon decocked.. or if I believe I am going in harms way then cocked an locked

Faisji
10-06-2011, 09:19 AM
Do not be up set the TT 7.62 original Russian and chinese were single action and never had a safety. I would never carry it Cocked and without safety


They are quite safe with the round in chamber and half cock as the sear on the hammer is quite big and it takes quite effort to get it to collapse.but never ever lower the hammer all the way that is a guaranteed negligent discharge

But having said that i never carried chambered(talking only about the .30 cal) unless there was clear and imminent danger.

Skeeter60
10-06-2011, 12:59 PM
Back in the seventies I carried the TT with a round in the chamber and the hammer at half cock

Skeeter60
10-06-2011, 03:57 PM
Faisji
absolutely right, Captain Atif Bangash ( son of General Arif Bangash) a gun lover, reloader and keen hunter was killed in the prime of his youth by an Accidental Discharge, he was on over seas peace keeping duty in Haiti and a Captain Doctor was sitting behind him in the jeep.
The Doctor loaded his TT and was trying to lower the hammer with the gun pointing towards Atif , the hammer slipped and Atif was shot through the seat the bullet penetrated his chest and a lung.
He was taken to Florida and operated upon, he survived a few days and appeared to have fully recovered but he kept on saying he would not survive and on the 4th day he developed pneumonia and died.
A decocker is important when people who are not into guns regularly, handle guns.

ACHILLES
10-06-2011, 04:41 PM
I am strong believer of Manual safety and then having a decocker in the same gun adds to my satisfaction. I like beretta 92 fs and HK USP v1 in this regard.

jawin
14-06-2011, 03:32 PM
"A full and fair discussion is essential to GUNS Safety."
Other Senior members please do take part in this discussion also.

Beast Regards

Omkhan
15-06-2011, 09:01 PM
I think decocker is a good addition on pistols that allows you to safely put the hammer down thus minimizing the risk of accidental thumb slipping etc. + its a manual safety as well.