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Offroader2323
08-04-2009, 01:03 AM
I want to buy a bolt action rifle (brno) i m looking for 30-06 or 270.

are these calb available in brno line in pakistan?

or for other brands what will be the price

Glxspk
08-04-2009, 01:06 AM
Yes.

Remington 700 120-150k
Sako 85 : 280-350 k
Winchester featherweight Model 80: 200-265k (Available in 7mm Rem Mag, .243, .270, 30-06, .380)

Offroader2323
08-04-2009, 01:13 AM
tanx for ur prompt reply

sir Is remington 700 available in 30-06 & 270?

Glxspk
08-04-2009, 01:17 AM
I dont know about .270 but I have one in 30-06. Being a very common rifle Im sure you'll find it in .270 as well

Offroader2323
08-04-2009, 01:34 AM
which dealer in Karachi have this weapon Haris have a good collection but his asking prices are much higher than the market

Firepower!
08-04-2009, 01:36 AM
7mm rem mag

Offroader2323
08-04-2009, 01:40 AM
are the bullets easily available in Karachi market of 270 as well as 7mm rem mag

Firepower!
08-04-2009, 01:43 AM
7mmMag is pretty common.

Glxspk
08-04-2009, 01:45 AM
which dealer in Karachi have this weapon Haris have a good collection but his asking prices are much higher than the market

Winchester featherweight is readily available with almost every dealer carrying imported firearms & ammo. Look around I'm sure you'll find a good deal.

Glxspk
08-04-2009, 01:46 AM
are the bullets easily available in Karachi market of 270 as well as 7mm rem mag

Yes. All the time. Try to get fresh ones. Most of the dealers will try to get rid of their old stock though.

Glxspk
08-04-2009, 02:01 AM
7mm rem mag

Performance of both 7mm Rem Mag & .270 Win are almost similar, technically you would'nt be able to figure out much difference between the two calibres in range or accuracy..

7mm Rem Mag has more recoil. More than 30-06 I'd say. A 7mm Rem Mag will give you a less bullet drop (better trajectory) when shooting at 400-500 yards since it's ballistically superior to the .270.

.270 bullets are cheaper than 7mm Rem Mag but it wouldnt matter since you wont be using 100 bullets a weak.

Summary: If your planning on hunting within 300-400 yards I would recommend .270. If 400+ yards which Im sketical you will, go for a 7mm Rem Mag. Some times you just dont want the bullet to do those extra yards.

Imu10
08-04-2009, 02:07 AM
but hassan i tell u something about 270 calibre the ammo is very expensive it will cost u around 350 /piece (FEDERAL AMMO AND WINCHESTER SUPER X) but for pakistan plain games animals there is no such calibre as of 270 amazing it will cover all ur requirements of hunting anything starting from deer ,ibeX ,big horn sheep,neel geain, phara and many more
i would suggest go for some european make rifle dont try to buy cheap bolt action like stupid winchester featherweight for a calibre like 270 need to heavy not featherweight

Firepower!
08-04-2009, 02:12 AM
9.3x62mm it will destory what you shoot at

Glxspk
08-04-2009, 02:22 AM
9.3x62mm it will destory what you shoot at

9.3x62mm would be an overkill for local game. Will spoil the kill. It's a cartridge for African game.

Offroader2323
08-04-2009, 11:40 AM
tankx alot guys

and imran bhai Insha Allah we will meet and will disscuss about guns..........................

koi Jeep mile aap ko ?

Imu10
08-04-2009, 01:22 PM
nahin hassan pls find it for me yaar
i am very desperate for it yaar .

CougarMan
08-04-2009, 01:44 PM
Which is the most common (cheapest) rifle caliber available in Pakistan? From what I can tell, 7mm, .243, .270, .308 and 30.06 are all in the same ball park re killing power and range for Pakistani game (+/- some).

What would be the most economical one to get?

Imu10
08-04-2009, 02:00 PM
i think 7mm coz of less ammo price and u get this rifle cheaper than the other calibre

Firepower!
08-04-2009, 02:37 PM
+1 7mm i.e. 7x57 not the Magnum.

Offroader2323
08-04-2009, 02:43 PM
sir what is the velocity diff btw 7mm & 7mm mag

which is better for hunting or long range target shooting

Firepower!
08-04-2009, 02:51 PM
7mm Magnum
Bullet weight/type Velocity Energy
140 gr (9.1 g) Soft Point 3,175 ft/s (968 m/s) 3,133 ft·lbf (4,248 J)
150 gr (9.7 g) AccuTip BT 3,110 ft/s (950 m/s) 3,221 ft·lbf (4,367 J)
160 gr (10 g) Soft Point 2,900 ft/s (880 m/s) 2,987 ft·lbf (4,050 J)
175 gr (11.3 g) Soft Point 2,860 ft/s (870 m/s) 3,178 ft·lbf (4,309 J)


7x57mm
Bullet weight/type Velocity Energy
9.0 g (139 gr) RWS KS 900 m/s (3,000 ft/s) 3,240 J (2,390 ft·lbf)
10.5 g (162 gr) RWS ID Classic 800 m/s (2,600 ft/s) 3,360 J (2,480 ft·lbf)
12.2 g (188 gr) RWS HMK 770 m/s (2,500 ft/s) 3,320 J (2,450 ft·lbf)

ARlover
15-04-2009, 04:20 PM
Bro firepower give me some info about .270 bore price is limt plz tell me witch model best for hunting

Glxspk
15-04-2009, 07:30 PM
Bro firepower give me some info about .270 bore price is limt plz tell me witch model best for hunting

Get a Remington 700 or a Winchester Featherlight. Prices would be within 120k-200k for NIB rifles.

Firepower!
17-04-2009, 03:54 AM
actually 308 will be cheapest and more potent since you can use POF G3 bullet which is 25 a piece.

Glxspk
17-04-2009, 03:56 AM
PKR 25 a piece! Where? These day you only get a .22 LR or a local .30 for that kind of monies.

SanSyed
21-04-2009, 11:43 AM
@Offroader2523
.270 hardly needs justification.i thnk it is the best caliber in Pakistani hunts.my all time favourite .270 is Winchester M70 super grade.
i will recomend u 2 buy
winchester mod 70 and it wll cost u 200k to 250k
remington mod 700 BDL,it wll cost u 150k to 250k
brno mod 601 priz is not conform
all r gud brands in Pakistan

gunenthusiast
19-01-2012, 02:15 PM
Are rifles in 7mm, 30-06 or .270 available in rawalpindi/peshawar? And what brands at what prices?

SalmanHusain
19-01-2012, 02:39 PM
is +7mm bolt-action rifle allowed on NBP?? as when last time i checked lucky-star no on e was even willing to talk on it. :P

Birdshooter007
20-01-2012, 01:30 PM
is +7mm bolt-action rifle allowed on NBP?? as when last time i checked lucky-star no on e was even willing to talk on it. :P
All Bolt Action rifles are NPB in Punjab, Sindh and on MOIs (Upto 50cal I think).

I think the best hunting caliber for Pakistan is 30-06- Wide range of bullet weights, ammo is easily available & it's powerful enough for any big game found in Pakistan.

My second choice would be a .270.

Would not prefer a 7mm Rem Magnum because energy delivered is just a bit more than a 30-06, but ammo prices are almost double and the rifle kicks like a mule.

Mig
20-01-2012, 02:03 PM
I have 7mm Rem Magnum and .30-06 both of my dad. I found 7mm Rem Magnum to be more accurate and a surekill, so I always prefer it over .30-06. Remember when you are on Big Game hunting the recoil of the gun does not matter if it kicks like a mule or like a chicken, because we are not in a range and firing 100s of rounds to check our target marksmanship but rather on a Big Game hunt where chances of meeting with the guest are not that often so I prefer to use something better, more energetic, ability to kill at long distance.I don't want to miss the chance.

My wishlist have a .300 Win Magnum also and a .338 Lapua Magnum as well but the later is very very expensive.

SalmanHusain
20-01-2012, 02:56 PM
I have 7mm Rem Magnum and .30-06 both of my dad. I found 7mm Rem Magnum to be more accurate and a surekill, so I always prefer it over .30-06. Remember when you are on Big Game hunting the recoil of the gun does not matter if it kicks like a mule or like a chicken, because we are not in a range and firing 100s of rounds to check our target marksmanship but rather on a Big Game hunt where chances of meeting with the guest are not that often so I prefer to use something better, more energetic, ability to kill at long distance.I don't want to miss the chance.

My wishlist have a .300 Win Magnum also and a .338 Lapua Magnum as well but the later is very very expensive.

but luckystar dealers no more dealing above 7mm rifles :(

Birdshooter007
20-01-2012, 03:15 PM
I have 7mm Rem Magnum and .30-06 both of my dad. I found 7mm Rem Magnum to be more accurate and a surekill, so I always prefer it over .30-06. Remember when you are on Big Game hunting the recoil of the gun does not matter if it kicks like a mule or like a chicken, because we are not in a range and firing 100s of rounds to check our target marksmanship but rather on a Big Game hunt where chances of meeting with the guest are not that often so I prefer to use something better, more energetic, ability to kill at long distance.I don't want to miss the chance.

My wishlist have a .300 Win Magnum also and a .338 Lapua Magnum as well but the later is very very expensive.
Ok.

I would never go for magnums. Plus the ammo if 7mm rem magnum is 750 rupees/round or something in LHE whereas 30-06 is just 350rs/round or so.
30-06 is the world's most popular Big Game cartridge and the most sold one as well after .22LR.

Mig
20-01-2012, 08:11 PM
but luckystar dealers no more dealing above 7mm rifles :(

You can have a custom order through the dealers or sometime these special pieces come and go in the market. It just need the time and budget.

Mig
20-01-2012, 08:13 PM
Ok.

I would never go for magnums. Plus the ammo if 7mm rem magnum is 750 rupees/round or something in LHE whereas 30-06 is just 350rs/round or so.
30-06 is the world's most popular Big Game cartridge and the most sold one as well after .22LR.

Yes brother, its all the taste. I like the Magnums more. And surely if a Big game like an Ibex is winking at me at 450 yards then I ought not to calculate how much my Bullet costs before I fire. :)

.30-60 is no doubt a very nice caliber and I like it too but I said I like Magnums More !

SalmanHusain
20-01-2012, 08:27 PM
You can have a custom order through the dealers or sometime these special pieces come and go in the market. It just need the time and budget.

they were like govnt has banned it, it was like taking name of Voldemort in harry-potter :P the faces of the dealer would just turn pale upon hearing 8mm rifle :P lol

dragunov
20-01-2012, 08:59 PM
All Bolt Action rifles are NPB in Punjab, Sindh and on MOIs (Upto 50cal I think).

I think the best hunting caliber for Pakistan is 30-06- Wide range of bullet weights, ammo is easily available & it's powerful enough for any big game found in Pakistan.

My second choice would be a .270.

Would not prefer a 7mm Rem Magnum because energy delivered is just a bit more than a 30-06, but ammo prices are almost double and the rifle kicks like a mule.


Dear Chauhadry,

i am confused, you said all bolt action rifles fall in NPB, in Punjab specially ?
as per my understanding, even a single dealer in Lahore, will not deal for bolt action rifles on NPB license made by Lahore or any city of Punjab.
can you please elaborate more and correct/update me if i am wrong.

Thanks.

Birdshooter007
21-01-2012, 08:53 AM
Dear Chauhadry,

i am confused, you said all bolt action rifles fall in NPB, in Punjab specially ?
as per my understanding, even a single dealer in Lahore, will not deal for bolt action rifles on NPB license made by Lahore or any city of Punjab.
can you please elaborate more and correct/update me if i am wrong.

Thanks.
I read it on PG many times that you can have b/a rifles in Sindh on NPB licenses, but not in Punjab. But a couple of months ago, our respected mod Naveed_Pk confirmed that from now on you can buy .303, 7mm mauser, etc b/a rifles on NPB licenses in PUNJAB. There's a thread too on this issue, I think. Better scroll down the threads and see for yourself.

francolino
21-01-2012, 08:58 AM
The best bolt action for ALL Pak hunt situations is a 7mm Mag surely, if aim is ALL big game in general. No match to a .30-06 or a .308 or a .270 or 7x57 or .243 which are the rest of all popular calibers used here.

And bullet price is immaterial when one is firing at a BlueBull, Hog Deer, an Ibex or a Baluchi Gadd (Urial etc). Even the recoil is immaterial too."Accuracy", "Bullet Drop" & very importantly "Terminal Energy" are three factors of extreme weightage. On the other hand, if one mostly takes Chinkaras (Indian Gazelle) as most sought after game, then .243 or .270 are ideal with 100 grains bullets, not more grains. So......it depends. Alternatively, one can also say, there is no such thing as the most appropriate rifle for ALL hunt situations here.

For wildboars it is an alltogether different story. Its is a pest category animal, and one would not like to use an expensive rifle/bullet on it. An ordinary Brno 7x57 with any good 4x or 6x scope with the usual 140 grains bullet (if accurately placed) or 175 grains (ideal for these animals but with range limitation) is more than enough for it, as it is mostly hunted at night with spotlights, at least in Punjab. And the best target shooting (for practice etc) option is calibre .308 with G3 inexpensive bullet.

So....it depends which game one is targeting. One can define the USUAL SOUGHT-AFTER GAME first, then decide about the calibre.

Haider
23-01-2012, 11:13 AM
Valuable input by Francolino bro

dragunov
23-01-2012, 04:34 PM
I read it on PG many times that you can have b/a rifles in Sindh on NPB licenses, but not in Punjab. But a couple of months ago, our respected mod Naveed_Pk confirmed that from now on you can buy .303, 7mm mauser, etc b/a rifles on NPB licenses in PUNJAB. There's a thread too on this issue, I think. Better scroll down the threads and see for yourself.


Thank you once again Chauhadry :-) for a useful info.

Dear NaveedPK Brother, can you please comment on this for confirmation and if any circular/notification Punjab wide in any newspaper or other media.? just for reference/record.

Thanks in advance.

asimazan
24-01-2012, 09:55 AM
Sir how brno .22 lr works

Mig
26-01-2012, 02:32 PM
...



Sir your Degree and Certifacations are impressive :)
I am preparing for CCNA

Mr Hunter
26-01-2012, 09:07 PM
Buy remigton 700/ winchester model 70 / Ruger M77 .In Caliber .30-06 or 7.62 Nato also Called 308 winchester

dragunov
27-01-2012, 10:54 AM
Sir your Degree and Certifacations are impressive :)
I am preparing for CCNA

Thank you dear MIG,
Good Luck for your CCNA, hopefully, you will be succeeded.

Zaheer
27-01-2012, 11:59 AM
Dragunov bro you are a Linux guy ;)

dragunov
31-01-2012, 08:56 PM
exactly ....... :-)

dragunov
01-02-2012, 09:58 AM
Have somebody experienced to get a bolt action rifle on the Punjab NPB License ?
if yes, please share the experience in detail with suggestions.
thanks in advance.

Denovo87
01-02-2012, 10:43 AM
Have somebody experienced to get a bolt action rifle on the Punjab NPB License ?
if yes, please share the experience in detail with suggestions.
thanks in advance.

Its very much allowed per MOI directive to all provincial govt's but provincial authorities are not acting upon that directive openly (specially Punjab) best way is to seek help from your trusted dealer preferably the one you are going to purchase the rifle, they usualy get bolt action rifles entered very much legally.

dragunov
01-02-2012, 10:54 AM
Its very much allowed per MOI directive to all provincial govt's but provincial authorities are not acting upon that directive openly (specially Punjab) best way is to seek help from your trusted dealer preferably the one you are going to purchase the rifle, they usualy get bolt action rifles entered very much legally.

Thank you Sir Denovo87,good advise,
I will definitely discuss this with dealer and will try to at-least get one bolt action rifle on NPB.
by the way, i don't have any rifle yet, but very much fond of rifles, anyway let's hope ... :-(

dragunov
01-02-2012, 11:15 AM
Hi Denovo87,

can you please share some more details and knowledge about 7.62x54R caliber for bolt action rifles ?
and if we put this bolt action rifle on our NPB license then what caliber would be mentioned on the license for this gun ?
either .303, .308, 311 or what ever ?

Thanks,

Denovo87
01-02-2012, 11:34 AM
Hi Denovo87,

can you please share some more details and knowledge about 7.62x54R caliber for bolt action rifles ?
and if we put this bolt action rifle on our NPB license then what caliber would be mentioned on the license for this gun ?
either .303, .308, 311 or what ever ?

Thanks,

have no knowledge/experience on this round, lets wait Skeeter Sb to shed light on it as he invented a very accurate rifle building procedure for this specific round; the famous DUNGAR Rifle.
Regarding the mentioning caliber on license let dealer handle it as well ;) as 5.56 & 7.62 are two very sensitive things to talk / write about but dealers surely have legal way outs.

dragunov
05-03-2012, 12:39 PM
Thank you Denovo87 brother,
it looks Skeeter Sb are little bit busy, anyway lets wait more, if he can slightly describe this caliber/bore in terms of license making.
by the way, i have discussed with the dealer, he promised that he will do something for me. :-)

Loki
22-04-2012, 02:23 AM
Hi

Interesting thread.........plenty of talk of 'Magnums', the ballistics and quarry/game at longer ranges. Any Magnum calibre is going to take getting used to and practice at longer range will be essential - this should be factored in or get closer to your quarry. The majority of people would be far better off with with a lesser calibre that they are accurate with on a regular basis.

My understanding over here is all Remington rifles need some after market improvement - especially the triggers.

Swedish Sako or Tikka (slightly cheaper but same manufacturer) rifles shoot well straight out of the box. I understand Japanese Howa rifles likewise. Lightweight rifles are probably not a good idea in a larger calibre as some weght is required to asisst in managing recoil.

Read up on the late American Jack O'Conner - a .270W user who shot just about everything with it - perhaps the saying 'beware the man with one rifle - he will know how to use it' was coined from him!

Regards

Skeeter60
28-04-2012, 04:38 PM
[QUOTE=Denovo87;243713]have no knowledge/experience on this round, lets wait Skeeter Sb to shed light on it as he invented a very accurate rifle building procedure for this specific round; the famous DUNGAR Rifle.
Regarding the mentioning caliber on license let dealer handle it as well ;) as 5.56 & 7.62 are two very sensitive things to talk / write about but dealers surely have legal way outs.[/QUOTE

Just call it a 7.62 bolt action, or a 30 caliber. none of these is PB in bolt action.

isk
27-09-2012, 12:51 PM
The best bolt action for ALL Pak hunt situations is ....................... And the best target shooting (for practice etc) option is calibre .308 with G3 inexpensive bullet.

I have been trying to narrow my search for quite some time and almost made up my mind for 308 keeping in mind that it would be cheaper to practice with POF rounds, however, as per a dealer using 7.62x51 NATO rounds produced by POF would destroy 308's barrel, is it true? or another fabricated urban legend invented by dealers.

What is the cost of POF rounds in Karachi these days and status of their availability.

thanks

TalalKhan
29-09-2012, 02:12 PM
Anyone here with an idea if 7mm rem mag is available at Karachi? I need one!

alimirza
30-09-2012, 05:09 AM
13111

Make: Norinco
Calibre: .22 Lr
Barrel: 515mm
Sights: U notch Sights, Dovetail
Stock: Wood
Magizine: Tube 15 shot
New/Used: New
Made in: China

guys i want this rifle....any info,.. about it....price and aavalabilty ??????????????

wasifali89
01-10-2012, 08:29 PM
a lever one ? woww i loved the original winchester one like hell

i doubt its availability in Pakistan.

dragunov
03-10-2012, 12:46 PM
[QUOTE=Denovo87;243713]have no knowledge/experience on this round, lets wait Skeeter Sb to shed light on it as he invented a very accurate rifle building procedure for this specific round; the famous DUNGAR Rifle.
Regarding the mentioning caliber on license let dealer handle it as well ;) as 5.56 & 7.62 are two very sensitive things to talk / write about but dealers surely have legal way outs.[/QUOTE

Just call it a 7.62 bolt action, or a 30 caliber. none of these is PB in bolt action.

thank you for the reply Dear Skeeter60, i appreciate.

AamirKhan
04-10-2012, 12:32 AM
well yes that original winchester one is my favourite rifle, my uncle had two winchester reapeating rifles but after his death they sold one for 12000 Rs. i was so sad to hear this, they have one hanging on their wall now ...

dragunov
04-10-2012, 12:29 PM
I have been trying to narrow my search for quite some time and almost made up my mind for 308 keeping in mind that it would be cheaper to practice with POF rounds, however, as per a dealer using 7.62x51 NATO rounds produced by POF would destroy 308's barrel, is it true? or another fabricated urban legend invented by dealers.

What is the cost of POF rounds in Karachi these days and status of their availability.

thanks

The 7.62x51 NATO round having almost 50000 psi pressure, and .308 Winchester produces more than 60000 psi chamber pressure upon fire.
So, its safe to shoot NATO round in .308 original rifles. But dangerous to shoot .308 round in 7.51x51 chambered Rifles.
Hope you have now better understanding.

isk
07-10-2012, 11:01 AM
@dragunov: thank you for the clarification