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Cap1
08-01-2009, 03:57 PM
A few of us seem to have the NP42 or CF98 and I thought we could use this thread to discuss it.

Caliber 9X19mm, Length 190mm, Height 137mm, Width 35mm, Barrel Length 110mm, Weight 0.76Kg, Magazine capacity 15 rounds

Company website http://www.norincoequipment.cn/detail_product_English.jsp?productid=485&cssid=1

NP42 Norinco Ops Manual http://www.scribd.com/doc/8773831/np42norincoopsmanual
Disassembly & Reassembly: See pages 8-9 of the ops manual
Reassembly video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OUxi_1XTehU

Pics of my piece
http://i359.photobucket.com/albums/oo39/CapOnePK/NP42leftview.jpg http://i359.photobucket.com/albums/oo39/CapOnePK/NP42slideretracted.jpg

Pics from the web
http://pic.66wz.com/0/00/14/04/140466_628846.jpg
http://i359.photobucket.com/albums/oo39/CapOnePK/QSZ92.jpg http://i359.photobucket.com/albums/oo39/CapOnePK/QSZ92a.jpg http://i359.photobucket.com/albums/oo39/CapOnePK/QSZ92b.jpg
http://www.fyjs.cn/bbs/attachments/Mon_0707/39_5847_11ddadc6570ab7e.jpg

Firepower!
08-01-2009, 04:01 PM
On CF98

I had one. but its serial number got rubbed off with time. Is this a common thing?

How many rounds have you put through your CF98? What is your experience with it?

Cap1
08-01-2009, 04:10 PM
I have NP42 and yes the numbering is light but seems better than the CF98. I don't think it will rub off easily but is difficult to read in low light. My piece is new and I've yet to get range membership to test it out (new to guns, its my first one). Will report back.

Cap1
08-01-2009, 04:11 PM
Quoting balazona ... thanks for the pic and tips!

@ Cap1,dear here is a picture of disassembled Np-42/CF-98 pistol.i hope this will help u out to clean ur pistol.

http://i710.photobucket.com/albums/ww109/balazona/qsz92_04large.jpg

u see the modular firing control system,just give it a clean with WD-40 and a new tooth brush.
and clean barrel and other parts as well.
regards

Abbas
08-01-2009, 04:14 PM
Good post Cap1.

Cap1
08-01-2009, 04:36 PM
Thanks!

Balazona
09-01-2009, 09:44 AM
Cap1,so at last u cleaned it.now it is looking great.

Cap1
09-01-2009, 06:46 PM
Balazona Yes your tips were very helpful thanks. Please could you post the picture again of the disassembled pistol? We're getting an error message from Photobucket.

Firepower!
09-01-2009, 08:02 PM
How many shot have you guys put through your 98s?

OHQ
09-01-2009, 08:18 PM
300 hundred + still going good.

Acciprone
10-01-2009, 11:13 AM
I had the QSZ92 for about 2 years put more than 500 Rounds through it gave to my brother .. No a single JAM, FTE or FTF... very reliable weapon.

Balazona
10-01-2009, 06:45 PM
This was QSZ-92 design which Berreta picked for its Cougar.the rotating barrel locking system.QSZ-92 pistol was designed in 1992 and cougar was in 1994.and later they it came in polymer form which is called PX4 storm.So,u can say that Berrata copied the chinese in this design.

OHQ
10-01-2009, 07:32 PM
Which is best for self defense caliber 10mm 40, 9mm, 5.8mm a guy Mr. Samiullah Afridi in Chakwal Chakwal armory arms and ammunition dealer told me if the bullet is bottle shape it is more powerful.

OHQ
11-01-2009, 01:09 AM
I had the QSZ92 for about 2 years put more than 500 Rounds through it gave to my brother .. No a single JAM, FTE or FTF... very reliable weapon.

Which bullets did u use 5.8mm? bottle shape?

Cap1
11-01-2009, 01:14 AM
I had the QSZ92 for about 2 years put more than 500 Rounds through it gave to my brother .. No a single JAM, FTE or FTF... very reliable weapon.
Thats so great to hear. The main reason I got my NP42 were the great reports from all those who used it. Of course the cheaper price tag was also a consideration, but not the primary or secondary one.

Acciprone
11-01-2009, 02:02 AM
Omar u cant use the 5.8 they have a seperate gun for it . it look alo like the np42. the 5.8 is specifically made for another norinco pistol. Used chinese ammo 9 mm

OHQ
11-01-2009, 12:29 PM
Which is best for self defense caliber 10mm 40, 45 9mm, 5.8mm?

Firepower!
11-01-2009, 01:27 PM
10mm is most powerfull of the listed.

Howeveer, I dont think if you hit some one with a 9 and then 45, he could tell a difference. One cant be more dead with one than other.

That said, I mostly carry 357 or 45. If not these, then HK P2K in 9.

OHQ
11-01-2009, 01:42 PM
Firepower is there any other hand gun that use's bottle shape bullets like 30 bore

Balazona
11-01-2009, 01:53 PM
That caliber is called .357Sig.it is an advanced form of 9mm.which use .40 casing and 9mm bullet.it is very high pressure round.

Firepower!
11-01-2009, 01:58 PM
Ok. you query answered. And dont forget the good old 7.63 mauser:)
However, I dont carry 357Sig. I use 357 Rem. Mag. in KC or GP100.
I do know a guy who is selling Glock in 357Sig.

OHQ
11-01-2009, 02:03 PM
how much?

Conceal Carry
12-01-2009, 01:00 AM
Is there any visible difference in the three guns, I think QSZ92 is the chinese millitary version capable of firing DAP rounds, CF98 is the same gun in civilian version. NP42 is only has a better barrel life than the CF98. These are my two cents about the gun, if anyone knows better please educate me.

I onece seriously considered CF98 but didn't bought it because of the trigger in the DA mode it was horrible, i have bigger than average hands but couldn't pull the trigger all the way. In SA mode it was ok though. Whats your experience.

Balazona
12-01-2009, 09:32 AM
These all three r same pistols.only barrel life little bit different.

Firepower!
12-01-2009, 10:33 AM
i like the one which is sig clone

Balazona
12-01-2009, 02:37 PM
that one is called NP-22.but i have heard that its frame,s sliding rails break after or before 2000 rounds.not very durable.

Acciprone
12-01-2009, 02:41 PM
I am suprised Balazona, a friend of mine has the same and i am sure he has gone through more than 5k rounds.. No issues at his end.. I might be getting the same inshallah

Balazona
12-01-2009, 02:50 PM
Acciprone,brother actually i read lot of complaints of this pistol's frame being craked on canadiangunnutz.com.i am member over there too.i was thinking to but this one then after reading this issue i went ofr CF-98.YMMV

Acciprone
12-01-2009, 02:57 PM
Acciprone,brother actually i read lot of complaints of this pistol's frame being craked on canadiangunnutz.com.i am member over there too.i was thinking to but this one then after reading this issue i went ofr CF-98.YMMV


Am suprised. it oculd be a bad batch or something. Or may be my friend is lucky to get away with a good piece. Any one else have any comments on this

Cap1
12-01-2009, 06:47 PM
I think QSZ92 is the chinese millitary version capable of firing DAP rounds, CF98 is the same gun in civilian version. NP42 is only has a better barrel life than the CF98. These are my two cents about the gun, if anyone knows better please educate me.
I also have the same info

The NP42 is my first gun so I can't really comment on the trigger in DA mode. I've only shot a few rounds and I thought it was easier to control than I thought it would be. Trying to get range access if I ever complete the never-ending formalities. It was easier to get the gun than to get range membership. No wonder so many people resort to aerial firing to test their guns. There really should be more training schools and ranges so people can learn and practice properly.

Omkhan
12-01-2009, 07:02 PM
Hi guys, here is my CF98.

http://i725.photobucket.com/albums/ww259/omkhan_2009/My%20Guns/P7310402.jpg?t=1231768882
http://i725.photobucket.com/albums/ww259/omkhan_2009/My%20Guns/P7310398.jpg
http://i725.photobucket.com/albums/ww259/omkhan_2009/My%20Guns/P7310401.jpg

Shariq
12-01-2009, 07:05 PM
Looks really good.

Cap1
12-01-2009, 07:30 PM
@omkhan Very nice! Did you get it chromed or is it originally in two-tone?
I'm new to this... when oiling my NP42 should I oil (or avoid oiling) the recoil spring, firing pin, magazine spring or any other parts? I heard bullets should be kept oil free and that sounds hard if there is oil inside the pistol.
Also I noticed that if I chamber a round and then eject it the bullet gets scratched. Will it still be ok to fire?

Firepower!
12-01-2009, 07:32 PM
omkhan
If you reduce the size of the pic i think the entire picture will show.

Omkhan
12-01-2009, 07:37 PM
It was originally in 2 tone. I put a very light coating of oil on springs. Since its 144 & I dont go to range that often, the slide & other metal parts get highly lubricated EXCEPT the barrel. No oil should go into the barrel. same goes for bullets

Yes, chambering a round & ejecting it often does scratch the cartridge, but I dont think there is anything wrong firing it as long as the bullet/ cartridge is not deformed.

Firepower!
12-01-2009, 07:47 PM
i've never seen a two tone CF98 before. wadya know you something new everyday. very nice. however in my collection it will be only TT from china. thats a true classic.

Omkhan
12-01-2009, 08:11 PM
what resolution r u seeing it on? I m on 1024x768 & it seems pretty good to me

Omkhan
12-01-2009, 08:13 PM
So far I have put around 100 rds without any issue. It hits a little low from the point of aim. What about u guys with Cf98/NP42. How do u find ur guns on accuracy front?

Bored2676
12-01-2009, 08:20 PM
Well I find mine to be bloody accurate

OHQ
12-01-2009, 08:23 PM
Is it possible to get the top bit of CF-98 as you see in the picture Chromed, stainless steel coating or just paint it silver from normal black color?

Balazona
12-01-2009, 09:56 PM
Only CF-98 comes in very varities.whenever i see a CF-98 on a dealer's place it has different markings from each other.some has norinco logo some doesnot.

Cap1
12-01-2009, 09:59 PM
Yes CF98 has many variants. I heard from a someone who had it that there's a difference of whether it was made in the Beijing factory or the Hong Kong one.

Firepower!
12-01-2009, 10:04 PM
So NORINCO has two plants?

Cap1
12-01-2009, 10:09 PM
Thats what someone told me but I haven't verified it.

Balazona
13-01-2009, 09:42 AM
Norinco have lots of factories.

Taurus
13-01-2009, 11:54 PM
Hye Om khan From where did u buy this 2 tone cf-98?i mean which shop?and how much?

Cap1
14-01-2009, 08:10 AM
The markings seem to show up better in chrome. I saw a NP22 in 2 tone someone had gotten it chromed and it looked cool.

Omkhan
14-01-2009, 12:45 PM
@Taurus 24/7,
Bought it from Sadar Armory @Lucky Star, for 43K in August 08

Taurus
14-01-2009, 04:44 PM
Hye everybody..has anyone been through around 1000 rounds in cf98 or np 22 without a hiccup?is it cf98 better than 24/7?

OHQ
14-01-2009, 04:48 PM
CF-98 is the best, if you want Taurus then PT-99 or PT-92

Balazona
14-01-2009, 04:50 PM
Ofcourse Yes,CF-98 is way better than 24/7.

Yalghari
23-01-2009, 12:23 AM
are 45 norinco available?
wat are their prices?

Firepower!
23-01-2009, 03:26 PM
Does any one know the how to replace the trigger srping?

Saeen
23-01-2009, 04:08 PM
This is for Glock but it might help.

http://www.survivalblog.com/2007/03/ensuring_glock_pistol_reliabil.html

Abbas
28-01-2009, 11:33 PM
Dear Abbas/Omar,

How can I start a new post.. actually I am a bit confused about the qsz-92 and CF-98?? are they the same pistols??? the picture posted here for CF-98 is actually qsz-92?? Maybe our learned pak gun fellows can shed some light?? also i have read that qsz-92 is capable of firing +p+ load??? wow i would have really bought that anyday if i hadnt bought a tarus!!:)

The GSZ92 as I understand is for Chinese home use and not export. The CF98 and NP42 are for export, the only difference between the two being that the CF98 has a barrel life of 3000 rounds and the NP42 does 10,000. The GSZ also handles the +p rounds better. Apart from these minor difference the aesthetics are the same and it's pretty the same gun.

Balazona
29-01-2009, 09:21 AM
Abbas,it is QSZ-92 and CF-98's barrel life is 8,000 rounds.

Abbas
29-01-2009, 12:06 PM
I stand corrected then. I have no personal experience with Chinese pistols apart from letting off a few hundred rounds. I thought I read somewhere once about the 3 k and the 10 k barrel life.. Let me just check..

Yep, this is where I read it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QSZ-92 I was sure I was quoting the right barrel life.

Cap1
01-02-2009, 01:38 AM
My NP42 had its first outing at the range today. Results at 15m:
http://i359.photobucket.com/albums/oo39/CapOnePK/FirstDayNP42.jpg

Firepower!
01-02-2009, 03:06 AM
you to tighten up the group.

Cap1
01-02-2009, 10:54 AM
Yes it was my first time target shooting and practically pistol shooting too so I was all over the place. Most trouble I had was with the aim height and mostly shot low. An expert told me later the way to correct this is to fire 5 shots without changing aim from shot to shot. Then evaluate the results. If shooting tends towards 6 O'clock from bulls-eye, then for the next 5 aim at 12 O'clock. Plan to try that out next time.

Monis
01-02-2009, 11:12 AM
I hav cf 98 orignal china by norinco its a good pistol i usued about 300 chinies round not a single misfire or jam and any other problum in it its a good one in this prize range

Firepower!
01-02-2009, 04:33 PM
Cap1

I think this will help: http://www.saveourguns.com/Ar_Marks_Un_Pistol_Train_Guide.pdf

regards

Cap1
02-02-2009, 12:34 AM
Thanks Firepower! Yes I had this guide and was trying to emulate the technique. Need practice though - lots of it.

Ali Akbar
03-02-2009, 01:09 PM
can any body tell me that np42 is available in lhr market
and what will be its aproxx prce

Balazona
03-02-2009, 01:35 PM
There is CF-98 pistol available in Lahore market.and its price is around 35K.

Ahmad
03-02-2009, 11:24 PM
@ balazona the CF 98 which are availble now have the norinco star on their slide, i have seen some Helico made CF 98. did your CF have achrome lined barrel.
cheers

Osam
03-02-2009, 11:33 PM
thats the thing the dealer told me there are a lot of complications with these norinco made weapons he told me the new stock would have changes in them maybe made by some other company or slight differences of logos and he said that people with old stock are clearing theirs at lower prices dont know how true it was but there is difference in the new stock and the old one and the price gone upto 42k quoted to me today

Balazona
04-02-2009, 09:19 AM
according to my experiance i have seen different markings on CF-98 pistol.some have Norinco logo and some dont.it doesnt matter regarding the quality.

Monis
04-02-2009, 11:01 AM
I think norinco is orignal

Cap1
04-02-2009, 07:13 PM
+1 on different CF98 markings. I've even seen one marked 'Shaheen'! I went for the NP42 with Norinco logo.

Saeen
04-02-2009, 07:21 PM
I think even Balazona have come across Norincos with Shaheen marked on them :)

Cap1
04-02-2009, 07:44 PM
Balazona you should help the Norinco guys write the ops manuals. The Chinglish they use can be funny but irritating.

Balazona
04-02-2009, 08:54 PM
lol,Chinglish sounds v funny.

Ahmad
05-02-2009, 11:20 AM
did any of these variants got hard chrome pipe, i did not see any
regards

Balazona
05-02-2009, 11:47 AM
Ahmad,all chinese pistols come with crome lined barrel.CF-98 has too.

Saeen
05-02-2009, 12:51 PM
LOL @ Chinglish, funny but true. The first time i tried to dismantle the piece with the help of their manual i was all lost. Then had to close the manual and fall back to my old expertise ;)

Balazona
05-02-2009, 01:08 PM
Saeen,disassembly is very easy.did u take out the modular firing mechanism from the plastic grip?

Saeen
05-02-2009, 06:43 PM
this is exactly the kind of terminology i haven't understood as yet. Maybe next time you can tell/teach me what you are talking about :)

Balazona
05-02-2009, 08:07 PM
Saeen,when we will meet at the range then i will tell u about this.

Saeen
05-02-2009, 08:11 PM
Looking forward to it :) !!

OHQ
06-02-2009, 03:00 PM
Need help in disassembly of CF-98. Can some one help?

Balazona
06-02-2009, 03:02 PM
i think there is a video on YOUTUBE.i will try to find the link.

Intrepid
06-02-2009, 03:22 PM
you can have it at main videos section of pakguns.com

Balazona
06-02-2009, 08:02 PM
Here is the link for the video,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OUxi_1XTehU

OHQ
06-02-2009, 09:39 PM
Thanks Balazone. The video is about assembly of CF-98. Does not show how to take it apart. Can someone help?

Abbas
06-02-2009, 09:55 PM
Balazona we need you to do video tutorials of assembling and dissembling of all your Chinese Pistols. Do you think you can manage ?

OHQ
06-02-2009, 10:06 PM
+1 Thank you Abbas Bhai

Ka_Khan
06-02-2009, 10:12 PM
Be Careful of 'KaboooooM'...

Taurus
07-02-2009, 02:00 AM
I will also search the video of assembly and disassembly of cf 98

Xerga
08-02-2009, 04:20 PM
omer hamza

i myself also check on net alot to see the fieldstrip video for cf 98, but there wasnt any... and i was hesitating to try my own intelligence on this new piece :)

today i saw a youtube video of someguy adnan... he RE-assembled his gun only. he didnt dis-assemble it... after watching it twice i found it cf-98's fieldstripping is mostly like 30 bore pistol.... u go and take out the main pin, which holds pistol both main parts.... than drag upper slide forward.... like u do with 30 bore.... spring nikaalo... then barrel.... i didnt go further than that coz cock machinery was seeming a little difficult... so lubricated/cleaned it...and closed it same way... u go and try..

Acciprone
08-02-2009, 04:43 PM
reading so much on feild stripping the cf 98.. i feild stripped my brothers gun.. was easy had little issus to wards reassembling.. but in the end didit.. with eash. .kept the book handy.. in case i wanted to read something

Balazona
09-02-2009, 12:10 AM
i will try to make a video for u guys.it is very asy job to disassemble this pistol.

OHQ
09-02-2009, 01:56 AM
Yaar I have tried. For me the problem is just the first bit. How do you get it out? I tried with hammering the pin but not hard donít want to damage the gun. Will wait for Balazona video.

Cap1
09-02-2009, 06:52 AM
OHQ just press the pin with the back of the magazine and it will go in. Then pull it out from the other side. Don't hammer, just press firmly.

Acciprone
09-02-2009, 11:38 AM
OHQ just press the pin with the back of the magazine and it will go in. Then pull it out from the other side. Don't hammer, just press firmly.

or use a rag.. to avoid any scratch

Balazona
09-02-2009, 12:14 PM
Cap1 and Acciprone u r both right about slide stop pin.just push it a litlle and take it out from the other side.

Balazona
09-02-2009, 12:56 PM
Saeen and all other fellow members who have CF-98/NP-42 pistol here is the picture of disassembled pistol.u can see the modular firing system which i was talking about,and it can be take out from the polymer grip very easily.
http://i710.photobucket.com/albums/ww109/balazona/qsz92_04large.jpg

Saeen
09-02-2009, 01:25 PM
I can help you Balzy in that, if any needed :)

Cap1
09-02-2009, 08:28 PM
Does the magazine require any maintenance, cleaning or oiling from inside?
@Acciprone +1 on using a rag to avoid scratches

Balazona
09-02-2009, 08:55 PM
Magazine do need for cleaning before firing the pistol first time out of the box.

Cap1
12-06-2009, 07:55 PM
Updating status on my Norinco NP42. It's done 450+ rounds and still going strong; actually seems to be improving (or is it just me?). See the Target Results thread for its performance.

Salvation
12-06-2009, 09:27 PM
guyz me buying cf 98 tomorrow .... can any one of you tell me is the spare barrels are also available in the markets and what are the best accessories available for this pistol especially with regards holograms and lasers

ARlover
13-06-2009, 05:38 PM
i will post a link of NORINCO there is no model of cf98 plz ur self link is here http://www.norincoequipment.cn/product_list_English.jsp?activityid=37&cssid=1

ARlover
13-06-2009, 05:45 PM
dear bros norinco never ever made model cf98 link is here if im right http://www.norincoequipment.cn/product_list_English.jsp?activityid=37&cssid=1

Hamid
13-06-2009, 06:20 PM
They both are of Chinese origin. I have read the name of the company who makes CF-98, on the forum. It was not norinco.

taimikhan
15-06-2009, 10:29 AM
AoA, well guys, CF98 is not made by Norinco rather its made by Chang Feng Machinery & Tools Ltd, a company working under Norinco. As Norinco is a huge industrial giant. This CF company makes a PDW by the name of CF05 and a couple of other weapons also. Norinco was/is basically banned in USA and Canada. They couldnt import their weapons, so they started to role out the pistol under a new designation by another company so that they can export it easily.
Hope this helps, check out the below link for seeing CF98 in action. Thx

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15qsJgnm0sw

PsiFactor
02-11-2009, 03:08 PM
DEAR ALL


Please tell me if anyone seen a CF 98 with BLACK Barrel.

thanks

faisal balouch
02-11-2009, 03:40 PM
http://s4.postimage.org/1zIWM0.png (http://www.postimage.org/)

faisal balouch
02-11-2009, 03:42 PM
http://s3.postimage.org/1UF9JA.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/)

PsiFactor
07-11-2009, 05:22 PM
http://s3.postimage.org/p6WiJ.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/)
THIS IS MINE

Rizshu
08-11-2009, 01:38 AM
http://s3.postimage.org/p6WiJ.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/)
THIS IS MINE


very nice gun mubarak

AK47
08-11-2009, 02:27 AM
Nice gun fb! And your's too, psi.

PsiFactor
10-11-2009, 06:04 PM
http://s2.postimage.org/1erp4S.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=Ts1erp4S)

http://s3.postimage.org/DI6Hi.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=PqDI6Hi)
I shot brick wall with chines ammo for 20meters. I am a professional don't try this at home!!!

KageFox
11-11-2009, 12:11 AM
@PsiFactor: Nice photos of your NP-42, sure is yours :D

Don't mean to sound like a preacher, but take caution when shooting at brick walls. Ricochets can kill...

faisal balouch
11-11-2009, 08:47 AM
@ ak47 thanx alot

9mm Luger
12-11-2009, 08:04 AM
@ faisal how many rounds have you fired from your gun and whats your take on th gun?

Enigmatic Desires
15-11-2009, 02:46 AM
PSI Sir.. U shoot at brick walls for a living???:o

haider5
18-11-2009, 01:35 AM
wats da price of dis pisto:l?
A few of us seem to have the NP42 or CF98 and I thought we could use this thread to discuss it.

Caliber 9X19mm, Length 190mm, Height 137mm, Width 35mm, Barrel Length 110mm, Weight 0.76Kg, Magazine capacity 15 rounds

Company website http://www.norincoequipment.cn/detail_product_English.jsp?productid=485&cssid=1

NP42 Norinco Ops Manual http://www.scribd.com/doc/8773831/np42norincoopsmanual
Disassembly & Reassembly: See pages 8-9 of the ops manual
Reassembly video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OUxi_1XTehU

Pics of my piece
http://i359.photobucket.com/albums/oo39/CapOnePK/NP42leftview.jpg http://i359.photobucket.com/albums/oo39/CapOnePK/NP42slideretracted.jpg

Pics from the web
http://pic.66wz.com/0/00/14/04/140466_628846.jpg
http://i359.photobucket.com/albums/oo39/CapOnePK/QSZ92.jpg http://i359.photobucket.com/albums/oo39/CapOnePK/QSZ92a.jpg http://i359.photobucket.com/albums/oo39/CapOnePK/QSZ92b.jpg
http://www.fyjs.cn/bbs/attachments/Mon_0707/39_5847_11ddadc6570ab7e.jpg

haider5
18-11-2009, 01:36 AM
faisal yar wats daprice of ur pistol?
http://s4.postimage.org/1zIWM0.png (http://www.postimage.org/)

haider5
18-11-2009, 01:38 AM
hey r in police department?is it urs pic?
omer hamza

i myself also check on net alot to see the fieldstrip video for cf 98, but there wasnt any... and i was hesitating to try my own intelligence on this new piece :)

today i saw a youtube video of someguy adnan... he RE-assembled his gun only. he didnt dis-assemble it... after watching it twice i found it cf-98's fieldstripping is mostly like 30 bore pistol.... u go and take out the main pin, which holds pistol both main parts.... than drag upper slide forward.... like u do with 30 bore.... spring nikaalo... then barrel.... i didnt go further than that coz cock machinery was seeming a little difficult... so lubricated/cleaned it...and closed it same way... u go and try..

faisal balouch
18-11-2009, 06:46 AM
@ haider5 its around 33500 to 35000 in sind.

taimikhan
22-11-2009, 08:33 PM
AoA,

Sorry guys was out of touch due to some domestic engagements.

2 weeks back bought my 2nd CF98, this time for my brother. Just today took it for testing And fired around 80 rounds from it with no problems faced. But this CF98 has Norinco Markings on it & accessory rail is missing on it.

Made video of the firing too, here are links to some of the clips.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9CfkMWFM0t8&feature=channel

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bSi8kre0-ls&feature=channel

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=76tycyXNdQ8&feature=channel

Fired from around 100 yards & then 50 yards.

Dead accurate if the firer has control on his firing skills, even from around 100 yards was very accurate.

Enjoy

Gilani
22-11-2009, 08:45 PM
AoA,

Sorry guys was out of touch due to some domestic engagements.

2 weeks back bought my 2nd CF98, this time for my brother. Just today took it for testing And fired around 80 rounds from it with no problems faced. But this CF98 has Norinco Markings on it & accessory rail is missing on it.

Made video of the firing too, here are links to some of the clips.


Fired from around 100 yards & then 50 yards.

Dead accurate if the firer has control on his firing skills, even from around 100 yards was very accurate.

Enjoy

Fired accurately from 100 yds! :rolleyes: Thats outstanding. Proves that both pistol and the firer are damn good :)

Congrats on buying 2nd CF98 bro. I believe its the best available pistol in this price range.

AK47
22-11-2009, 10:45 PM
@Sir taimikhan.........Just checked your vids, Sir. Sure you mean "100 YARDS"? My judgement may be wrong and there may be some "camera effects" too, but it appears more like 100 feet to me! Plz confirm, and excellent shooting Sir, you just perhaps should have let the camera zoom-in to the board. Regards.

SevenMagnum
22-11-2009, 11:03 PM
i think the range was 50 meters in the video. Else nice shooting bro taimikhan.

taimikhan
23-11-2009, 12:23 AM
Its a Armed forces firing range, where they train too. Two of the videos are from close range, the second one if fully seen in the end will give a good idea how lengthy it is.

The incharge of the facility gave me the 100 yard figure and said in couple of weeks the facility will be converted to a 200 yard or more firing range.

But will check out tomorrow again and get it confirmed.

AK47
23-11-2009, 12:36 AM
Thanks Sir, it just appeared a "bit" shorter to me. And if they could increase their plans of a 200 yard range to say something like 300 yards, I guess the incharge himself would be somewhat "safe" there, as a target board himself! Kidding Sir, let's hear from you. Regards.

139
29-11-2009, 11:17 PM
+1 on different CF98 markings. I've even seen one marked 'Shaheen'! I went for the NP42 with Norinco logo.
Shaheen is basically the company which is making CF 98 clones near Pehawer. An acquaintance got a roundabout 16k price tag for Shaheen made clone.....

139

Ka_Khan
30-11-2009, 12:37 AM
Nice vid addittion taimikhan.
Is this firing range in 'kacha garhi' or 'university town'?

Faisji
30-11-2009, 01:07 AM
Nice vid addittion taimikhan.
Is this firing range in 'kacha garhi' or 'university town'?
Or takal?

Ka_Khan
30-11-2009, 01:13 AM
It seems we have plenty of 'Active' Pakgunners from Peshawar now.Would you like to mail me your contacts @ ka_khan@yahoo.com. :)

Haider Shah
30-11-2009, 02:19 AM
CF & NP stands for what ?
Any one having experience of NP 22 0r its smaller version NP34 as both are the copies of Sig however the query is about their performance, Why few pistols like CF 98 are designed with safety where as NP 22 is with out safety, is it with a purpose or a model feature or to make it more practical in a state of readiness in combat zones as I have been told that pistols with out safety are purely meant for practical shooting i.e operations ? Regards

Mohammad
30-11-2009, 09:56 AM
@tamil khan please confirm where this firing range is

Faisji
30-11-2009, 01:56 PM
It seems we have plenty of 'Active' Pakgunners from Peshawar now.Would you like to mail me your contacts @ ka_khan@yahoo.com. :)

Check e-mail

Gilani
30-11-2009, 02:26 PM
+1 on different CF98 markings. I've even seen one marked 'Shaheen'! I went for the NP42 with Norinco logo.
Shaheen is basically the company which is making CF 98 clones near Pehawer. An acquaintance got a roundabout 16k price tag for Shaheen made clone.....

139

Do we have locally made CF 98 clones also :rolleyes: :o

PsiFactor
30-11-2009, 04:22 PM
CF & NP stands for what ?
Any one having experience of NP 22 0r its smaller version NP34 as both are the copies of Sig however the query is about their performance, Why few pistols like CF 98 are designed with safety where as NP 22 is with out safety, is it with a purpose or a model feature or to make it more practical in a state of readiness in combat zones as I have been told that pistols with out safety are purely meant for practical shooting i.e operations ? Regards
CF FOR Chang Feng NP for Norinco pistol

PsiFactor
30-11-2009, 04:27 PM
I have seen 4 types of this pistol marks Entercon ,shaheen, Norinco and without mark only pistol sr number in darra.

PsiFactor
30-11-2009, 04:31 PM
Nice vid addittion taimikhan.
Is this firing range in 'kacha garhi' or 'university town'?
Or takal?
IT looks like Abdara Small bore range to me near airport.

takenleader
30-11-2009, 08:41 PM
Asak ,
Its better to spend rs 3 to 4000 more and nullify all u r doubt . But the np 42 available at national traders NIB tehy ask 36000/ final price depends upon u r negotiation skills. The np 42 will hold its value better then the cf coz its scarce compared to the cf98

taimikhan
30-11-2009, 10:15 PM
Nice vid addittion taimikhan.
Is this firing range in 'kacha garhi' or 'university town'?


FC firing range beside the train phatak, airport road connecting town and road coming from ring road to cantt.

Gilani
01-12-2009, 07:39 PM
Asak ,
Its better to spend rs 3 to 4000 more and nullify all u r doubt . But the np 42 available at national traders NIB tehy ask 36000/ final price depends upon u r negotiation skills. The np 42 will hold its value better then the cf coz its scarce compared to the cf98

Is there any difference between NP42 and CF98? I think NP42, CF98 and QSZ92 are names of the same gun.

taimikhan
01-12-2009, 11:54 PM
Asak ,
Its better to spend rs 3 to 4000 more and nullify all u r doubt . But the np 42 available at national traders NIB tehy ask 36000/ final price depends upon u r negotiation skills. The np 42 will hold its value better then the cf coz its scarce compared to the cf98

Is there any difference between NP42 and CF98? I think NP42, CF98 and QSZ92 are names of the same gun.

QSZ92 is the Chinese official name to 5.8mm version of the gun.

NP42 was the Norinco made version

CF98 is the Chang Feng Machinery Tools make.


The firing mechanism is same for all, diff comes in caliber & barrel life.

PsiFactor
02-12-2009, 12:08 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qwCDVO9ZqM

Target shooting at 25 yards

Gilani
02-12-2009, 07:44 PM
Is there any difference between NP42 and CF98? I think NP42, CF98 and QSZ92 are names of the same gun.

QSZ92 is the Chinese official name to 5.8mm version of the gun.

NP42 was the Norinco made version

CF98 is the Chang Feng Machinery Tools make.


The firing mechanism is same for all, diff comes in caliber & barrel life.

taimikhan Sir, I think our esteemed senior member 12 Guage explained this point in detail in one of the threads that QSZ92 (sidearm of PLA, available in both 9mm para as well as 5.8mm Chinese), NP42 and CF98 are all names of the same pistol. All have been manufactured by CHONGQING CHANG-FENG MACHINE MANUFACTURING. Norinco has just been exporting them with the names of NP42 and CF98.
regards

139
02-12-2009, 10:13 PM
+1 on different CF98 markings. I've even seen one marked 'Shaheen'! I went for the NP42 with Norinco logo.
Shaheen is basically the company which is making CF 98 clones near Pehawer. An acquaintance got a roundabout 16k price tag for Shaheen made clone.....

139

Do we have locally made CF 98 clones also :rolleyes: :o
You doubt it? Technically term them counterfeits... a desi copy

139

Haider Shah
02-12-2009, 11:19 PM
Is NP 22 superior than NP 42 ?

Any one having experience of NP 22 0r its smaller version NP34, Why few pistols like CF 98 are designed with safety where as NP 22 is with out safety, is it with a purpose or a model feature or to make it more practical in a state of readiness in combat zones as I have been told that pistols with out safety are purely meant for practical shooting i.e operations ? Regards

taimikhan
03-12-2009, 12:02 AM
taimikhan Sir, I think our esteemed senior member 12 Guage explained this point in detail in one of the threads that QSZ92 (sidearm of PLA, available in both 9mm para as well as 5.8mm Chinese), NP42 and CF98 are all names of the same pistol. All have been manufactured by CHONGQING CHANG-FENG MACHINE MANUFACTURING. Norinco has just been exporting them with the names of NP42 and CF98.
regards

Then i don't understand what you wish to ask if you know it already.

Ka_Khan
03-12-2009, 12:19 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qwCDVO9ZqM

Target shooting at 25 yards

Very nice range.Now where is this ? :)
I hope not Jamrud ;)

PsiFactor
03-12-2009, 10:28 PM
Range is in ormarh payan near bada beara.

Ka_Khan
03-12-2009, 10:33 PM
@PSi ... i regularly visit this area :/ ... havent seen it.Is this private??

PsiFactor
03-12-2009, 10:46 PM
yes this is private range it is Dr. Inam ullah khan Gandapur Hujra.

Khakwani
22-12-2009, 12:20 PM
Dear respected members,

I was thinking to buy CF 98 but reading all threads i am confused that shall i buy Cf 98 or NP 42? please advice. and if you guys recommend NP 42 for its better barrel life can you suggest where can i find or in lahore or within punjab. please also give me the complete detail like dealer name and phone numbers?


Regards,
Kashif Khakwani

hypermax
31-08-2010, 05:41 AM
Hi everyone ! Can I have a question ? In Wikipedian and world.guns.ru , they say that "QSZ 92 's magazine has 15 round".But I just saw faisal balouch's QSZ92 magazine hasn't to much than 10 round. Thanks for any answer!!!

Anthrax
31-08-2010, 06:29 AM
Dear respected members,

I was thinking to buy CF 98 but reading all threads i am confused that shall i buy Cf 98 or NP 42? please advice. and if you guys recommend NP 42 for its better barrel life can you suggest where can i find or in lahore or within punjab. please also give me the complete detail like dealer name and phone numbers?


Regards,
Kashif Khakwani

Go to the "Firearms availability and dealer review" section of the forum and look for a thread for the Arms dealer "PARA". You can get a CF-98 from there. You won't be able to find the NP-42 that easily since CF-98 is pretty much the same. As for the barrel life, are you going to shoot 10,000 rounds out of a 30k handgun? 1000 rounds for 30,000. Do the math.

A.Abbas
31-08-2010, 11:28 AM
Dear respected members,

I was thinking to buy CF 98 but reading all threads i am confused that shall i buy Cf 98 or NP 42? please advice. and if you guys recommend NP 42 for its better barrel life can you suggest where can i find or in lahore or within punjab. please also give me the complete detail like dealer name and phone numbers?


Regards,
Kashif Khakwani

Go to the "Firearms availability and dealer review" section of the forum and look for a thread for the Arms dealer "PARA". You can get a CF-98 from there. You won't be able to find the NP-42 that easily since CF-98 is pretty much the same. As for the barrel life, are you going to shoot 10,000 rounds out of a 30k handgun? 1000 rounds for 30,000. Do the math.

:o What???

or I should say... :rolleyes:

Thanks Anthrax dear,
You finally answered today 31/08/10 to the query posted on 22/12/09. Do the math. ;)

A.Abbas
31-08-2010, 11:35 AM
Anthrax brother, I think, ROZAY lagna shuroo ho gaay hain. ;)

Sparticas
31-08-2010, 02:29 PM
Chaloo .... we got the benefit of ramzan that very useful thread got alive. :)

Anthrax
31-08-2010, 07:01 PM
Anthrax brother, I think, ROZAY lagna shuroo ho gaay hain. ;)

Haha, that's for sure. ;)

Didn't see the date of the query. But hey, at least they can't say now that we're not a helpful bunch.

A.Abbas
31-08-2010, 11:51 PM
Anthrax brother, I think, ROZAY lagna shuroo ho gaay hain. ;)

Haha, that's for sure. ;)

Didn't see the date of the query. But hey, at least they can't say now that we're not a helpful bunch.

:lol: :lol: :lol:
That is the spirit.

SaadAnsari
08-10-2013, 08:47 AM
assalam-o-alaikum guys this is Saad Ansari here, m new to guns and ammunition, i just made my licence and now luking to buy a handgun. i ve read on pakguns thread that np42 is a very gud gun.. could anybody help me by directing me to a perticular dealer, or is anybody selling np42 here? thanx

K-203
08-10-2013, 01:57 PM
Assalam
Dear don't want to confuse you but you should take a look at this thread:
http://www.pakguns.com/showthread.php?10414-Norinco-NP-34-vs-Norinco-CF-98-vs-Norinco-NP-22

specialy brother Atiq's comparision.

Enigmatic Desires
08-10-2013, 03:57 PM
assalam-o-alaikum guys this is Saad Ansari here, m new to guns and ammunition, i just made my licence and now luking to buy a handgun. i ve read on pakguns thread that np42 is a very gud gun.. could anybody help me by directing me to a perticular dealer, or is anybody selling np42 here? thanx


Which city bro? And look around there are lots and lots of threads on the NP 42

thegame787
08-10-2013, 04:29 PM
man when ever i see this gun i cant my stop my urge to have one. Just adding my opinion , considering the number of cf98 being sold here in pakistan and not reading a single negative report about it i can safely trust it for my sd more than ummm lets say cz duty ? :p
cf98 is my first love for 9mms the type you want as a wife (dikhnay may katrina aur kaam may masi sakina hahaha) ;) and then i would love to have the hot cz duty to party around with , but should i trust duty for serious sd after that range disaster reported here ? Please consider the number of sales(users) made too

Enigmatic Desires
08-10-2013, 04:33 PM
On the networks the weapons seized by the cops from various criminals. The CF is now almost always on display along with the ubiquitous TT

Fraz
08-10-2013, 04:39 PM
On the networks the weapons seized by the cops from various criminals. The CF is now almost always on display along with the ubiquitous TT
reliability in an affordable price is the reason...

Enigmatic Desires
08-10-2013, 04:41 PM
reliability in an affordable price is the reason...

Personaly when I held the CF 98 and checked it against the new NP 42 I preferred the old one better.

Fraz
08-10-2013, 04:44 PM
Personaly when I held the CF 98 and checked it against the new NP 42 I preferred the old one better.
I own the old one with a hogue universal grip :)

Enigmatic Desires
08-10-2013, 04:53 PM
I own the old one with a hogue universal grip :)

The sights of the new one are not up to standard. Even the paint is chipping off and it has no glow-in-the-dark properties.

skafridi0786
26-01-2014, 06:40 PM
I want to purchase original CF-98 9mm. pls inform me. I live in Lahore.
That caliber is called .357Sig.it is an advanced form of 9mm.which use .40 casing and 9mm bullet.it is very high pressure round.

1stranger
26-01-2014, 07:20 PM
I want to purchase original CF-98 9mm. pls inform me. I live in Lahore.

Dear SK Afridi brother, around 9 days back I visited market and Hira Arms Nila Gumbad Lahore was offering a NIB CF98 at 48k
.. it was asking price and one can get few Ks cheaper depending on bargaining skills...

NaveedGhani
29-01-2014, 02:26 AM
Hi PsiFactor - brother, I own this CF98 and have gone through 1000 rounds, actually much more than a 1000 rounds to be honest. I would like to test it on a rapid fire rate as I have 6 mags on a proper firing range. Please can you, or anyone else here, guide me as to how to make my way to one. I'd be grateful. Cheers

Fraz
29-01-2014, 04:29 PM
Hi PsiFactor - brother, I own this CF98 and have gone through 1000 rounds, actually much more than a 1000 rounds to be honest. I would like to test it on a rapid fire rate as I have 6 mags on a proper firing range. Please can you, or anyone else here, guide me as to how to make my way to one. I'd be grateful. Cheers

Welcome to PG Bro, please update your location in your profile. Only then members would be able to recommend you a range which is the closest / suitable. :)

Regards

NaveedGhani
29-01-2014, 08:15 PM
There you go Fraz Bro. Updated my profile as requested...Cheers....

NaveedGhani
29-01-2014, 08:17 PM
Enigmatic Desires - Bro, any suggestions on an easily accessible range for a couple of hours...???

NaveedGhani
31-01-2014, 05:31 AM
guys? anyone?

chakoo
31-01-2014, 06:27 AM
you are welcome to come at mine here in bahawalpur only if you bring ED bro along :-)

Enigmatic Desires
31-01-2014, 02:25 PM
Enigmatic Desires - Bro, any suggestions on an easily accessible range for a couple of hours...???

Yes. We do our shooting at the ASCC

mail me and i will give U the particulars.

NaveedGhani
31-01-2014, 06:12 PM
There you go brother, I've emailed you...

NaveedGhani
31-01-2014, 06:39 PM
I don't mind coming to Bahawalpur ... is ED up for it?

Asif Jhammat
31-01-2014, 11:50 PM
I want to purchase original CF-98 9mm. pls inform me. I live in Lahore.

let me say that u can find cf-98 in 38000 in lahore

chakoo
31-01-2014, 11:56 PM
Anytime bro .... Ed seems to ignore me these day lol

NaveedGhani
01-02-2014, 02:09 PM
Asif, bro are you sure cf-98 is still that cheap in Lahore? I checked last here in Karachi and its crossing the 48K mark...and if it really is that cheap, can you please point out the source...cheers bro...

Fraz
01-02-2014, 02:19 PM
was 47K (asking) in pindi a few days back. the price is increasing day by day

chakoo
01-02-2014, 11:46 PM
was asked 50k by majeed sons multan a month or so back for cf98. 65k for a canikk55 piranha and 80k for caracal F and that cat looked used probably the one trigger happy bro exchanged for his scorpion.

NaveedGhani
02-02-2014, 03:52 AM
I just confirmed the rates, its 55k here in Karachi with a +-3k difference depending on your bargaining skills...

NaveedGhani
02-02-2014, 03:53 AM
chakoo bro, I would have thought so, but caracal F is actually a bit cheaper than 80K here in Karachi...it was about a month back when I checked it out at pak armory in sadar...it was 74K...

NaveedGhani
02-02-2014, 04:25 AM
Brother, please do check for the following parameters, as a lowered rate of this model can actually mean that its a copy...hope it helps...

- The slide finish, the Chinese CF has a matt finish, while the local has a shiny one
- The cut on the fore end of the slide is not in line with that of the frame
- The trigger is shorter on the local
- The slide lock pin is larger on the local
- Difference in the 'Star' on the frame
- The rear sight, the local one has a huge rear sight


28433
FAKE



28434
ORIGINAL

Fraz
02-02-2014, 12:14 PM
thanks alot naveed bhai for this valuable contribution, it will be easier for the newbies to differentiate now :) btw 55k is way too much for a CF, i had bought mine back in Aug 11 from Pindi, it was 37 or 38 K i think, now the same dealer is asking 47K, a little room of negotiation is there i think.

NaveedGhani
02-02-2014, 04:00 PM
thanks alot naveed bhai for this valuable contribution, it will be easier for the newbies to differentiate now :) btw 55k is way too much for a CF, i had bought mine back in Aug 11 from Pindi, it was 37 or 38 K i think, now the same dealer is asking 47K, a little room of negotiation is there i think.
Fraz bro, you quoted "btw 55k is way too much for a CF". Why don't you take a second and actually look at what this CF has to offer. In the price range of 50K, this is probably the only weapon that has been in the market long enough and I have not yet seen or read or heard a single negative comment regarding this model. Secondly, as an individual, SD is the primary objective...CF delivers all that it is meant for. having said that, don't brand it as a CF, I'd rather treat it with a little more respect because much larger establishments like the Taurus, pretty much every single weapon has both positive as well as negative comments. This little baby came out in market in and 2008, and since then people having have been choosing this along side the dazza!! (.30 bore)!!! for their SD...there is no doubt why the prices have been shooting up...I remember this gun being bought at 32K in 2008...and the same dealer now demands 52K here in Karachi. in this price range, even the dealers now have the flexibility to amaze the buyer with the jargon "would you like a 9mm or a .30" because both are now affordable without compromising the SD aspects of keeping the weapon in the first place...personally, I would now actually prefer this CF over the .30 for a few reasons...for SD purpose, mobility is the primary thing, and if you compare the weight CF being a fiber alloy its sturdy as well as durable, and lighter to carry. Also, the fact that it has a capacity of 15+1 rounds makes this a much better preference. Another reason why CF has jumped up the ladder on SD for me is because the fakes in the market are easily identifiable...whereas for .30 it takes a good eye to differentiate...

Nevertheless, .30 bore has the market with both hands and is the trend...what I would like to see is more models on this bore...like Ruger .30 ... this baby means business from its first sight, then along with the bang and dazza of .30 makes it an ideal addition in the collection along with the peace of mind on SD...

All you brothers out there, try and get more models of .30 in Pakistan, there is a huge market for this and whosoever fills this gap up will surely pat his own back for the rest of his life...

Cheers...

chakoo
02-02-2014, 06:01 PM
chakoo bro, I would have thought so, but caracal F is actually a bit cheaper than 80K here in Karachi...it was about a month back when I checked it out at pak armory in sadar...it was 74K... Bro its about the same here too but the dealer was asking too much for a piece that looked used.

chakoo
02-02-2014, 06:07 PM
Brother, please do check for the following parameters, as a lowered rate of this model can actually mean that its a copy...hope it helps...

- The slide finish, the Chinese CF has a matt finish, while the local has a shiny one
- The cut on the fore end of the slide is not in line with that of the frame
- The trigger is shorter on the local
- The slide lock pin is larger on the local
- Difference in the 'Star' on the frame
- The rear sight, the local one has a huge rear sight


28433
FAKE



28434
ORIGINAL
Nice share bro :)

NaveedGhani
02-02-2014, 06:19 PM
Nice share bro :)

Cheers mate ....

NaveedGhani
02-02-2014, 06:21 PM
Bro its about the same here too but the dealer was asking too much for a piece that looked used.

to be honest with you bro, I wouldn't buy a SD weapon from a dealer I don't know...having said that, if you know the dealer, there should be enough trust between the two of you that the seller should not sell a used weapon and the buyer should not have to be doubtful...end of the day, its what makes all the difference between life and death...

NaveedGhani
02-02-2014, 06:25 PM
Usman Sipio brother from Hyderabad bought a two tone weapon silver and black...I'm afraid that weapon does not look genuine either, as CF nor Norinco, they don't manufacture this model in two tone...its the dealers who sell the copies in two tone...it hardly takes 1200 rupees to get the weapon in two tones...check out this link,... http://www.pakguns.com/showthread.php?11518-My-New-Norinco-cf98-China-Made/page3 and my compare it with post regarding the fake CFs...

chakoo
02-02-2014, 06:33 PM
Bruv I believe you cant trust any dealer these days. All we can do is arm ourselves with enough knowledge to recognize original form fake and the market prices. PG is a great place for both :)

NaveedGhani
02-02-2014, 07:03 PM
Bruv I believe you cant trust any dealer these days. All we can do is arm ourselves with enough knowledge to recognize original form fake and the market prices. PG is a great place for both :)

too right ... !!! hands up for that...

Fraz
02-02-2014, 07:35 PM
Fraz bro, you quoted "btw 55k is way too much for a CF". Why don't you take a second and actually look at what this CF has to offer. In the price range of 50K, this is probably the only weapon that has been in the market long enough and I have not yet seen or read or heard a single negative comment regarding this model. Secondly, as an individual, SD is the primary objective...CF delivers all that it is meant for. having said that, don't brand it as a CF, I'd rather treat it with a little more respect because much larger establishments like the Taurus, pretty much every single weapon has both positive as well as negative comments. This little baby came out in market in and 2008, and since then people having have been choosing this along side the dazza!! (.30 bore)!!! for their SD...there is no doubt why the prices have been shooting up...I remember this gun being bought at 32K in 2008...and the same dealer now demands 52K here in Karachi. in this price range, even the dealers now have the flexibility to amaze the buyer with the jargon "would you like a 9mm or a .30" because both are now affordable without compromising the SD aspects of keeping the weapon in the first place...personally, I would now actually prefer this CF over the .30 for a few reasons...for SD purpose, mobility is the primary thing, and if you compare the weight CF being a fiber alloy its sturdy as well as durable, and lighter to carry. Also, the fact that it has a capacity of 15+1 rounds makes this a much better preference. Another reason why CF has jumped up the ladder on SD for me is because the fakes in the market are easily identifiable...whereas for .30 it takes a good eye to differentiate...

Nevertheless, .30 bore has the market with both hands and is the trend...what I would like to see is more models on this bore...like Ruger .30 ... this baby means business from its first sight, then along with the bang and dazza of .30 makes it an ideal addition in the collection along with the peace of mind on SD...

All you brothers out there, try and get more models of .30 in Pakistan, there is a huge market for this and whosoever fills this gap up will surely pat his own back for the rest of his life...

Cheers...

i said 55k is too much because i bought it for 37 and the price in pindi is still 47k asking. i know that CF is a very nice weapon ive had it for over 2.5 years now. ive also used glocks, berretta PX4 storm, FNP9 and walther P38 but still i love my CF. so far no FTF or FTE a very reliable weapon, though so far ive only used china red box and POF ammo.

NaveedGhani
03-02-2014, 12:38 AM
i said 55k is too much because i bought it for 37 and the price in pindi is still 47k asking. i know that CF is a very nice weapon ive had it for over 2.5 years now. ive also used glocks, berretta PX4 storm, FNP9 and walther P38 but still i love my CF. so far no FTF or FTE a very reliable weapon, though so far ive only used china red box and POF ammo.
POF ammo - is that reliable enough?

textiledoctor
03-02-2014, 02:34 AM
I bought CF-98 in Oct'13 @ 41K! Why and how come the price gone rocket high in few months??? Tomorrow I will check again with my dealer!

Aquarius
03-02-2014, 03:24 AM
Brother, please do check for the following parameters, as a lowered rate of this model can actually mean that its a copy...hope it helps...

- The slide finish, the Chinese CF has a matt finish, while the local has a shiny one
- The cut on the fore end of the slide is not in line with that of the frame
- The trigger is shorter on the local
- The slide lock pin is larger on the local
- Difference in the 'Star' on the frame
- The rear sight, the local one has a huge rear sight

That quite informative indeed.. thanks for the share bro.

Aquarius
03-02-2014, 03:27 AM
i said 55k is too much because i bought it for 37 and the price in pindi is still 47k asking. i know that CF is a very nice weapon ive had it for over 2.5 years now. ive also used glocks, berretta PX4 storm, FNP9 and walther P38 but still i love my CF. so far no FTF or FTE a very reliable weapon, though so far ive only used china red box and POF ammo.
Yes CF98 is a very reliable & looks durable.. I had one for quite sometime before joining this forum, and its over all performance was great.

NaveedGhani
03-02-2014, 06:00 AM
I bought CF-98 in Oct'13 @ 41K! Why and how come the price gone rocket high in few months??? Tomorrow I will check again with my dealer!
Brother, I'd like to know which dealer do you go to? thanks

NaveedGhani
03-02-2014, 06:01 AM
That quite informative indeed.. thanks for the share bro.

Cheers mate - just tryna help the community ... its easy to get fooled in this part of the world unfortunately...

NaveedGhani
03-02-2014, 06:02 AM
Yes CF98 is a very reliable & looks durable.. I had one for quite sometime before joining this forum, and its over all performance was great.
are you implying that you sold you sold your CF????

NaveedGhani
03-02-2014, 06:03 AM
Can anyone please guide me to a range? I'd appreciate it ... thanks...

textiledoctor
03-02-2014, 09:52 AM
Brother, I'd like to know which dealer do you go to? thanks
Naveed... I bought it from Huffaz Corp., Lucky Star, Karachi

Enigmatic Desires
03-02-2014, 02:09 PM
Hmmm The pics U shared Naveed bhai. . are nice..

However the current breed of locals is more like the 2nd pic then the first.

In fact a "first copy" I saw was advertised as a slightly used original for 30k a few months back.

Same box, manual and everything. It was only the colour and thickness of the barrel that gave it away. It was thinner then most CFs I have seen and slightly goldenish in hue.

NaveedGhani
03-02-2014, 06:19 PM
Naveed... I bought it from Huffaz Corp., Lucky Star, Karachi

so did you check the current rates with your dealer then?

NaveedGhani
03-02-2014, 06:27 PM
Hmmm The pics U shared Naveed bhai. . are nice..

However the current breed of locals is more like the 2nd pic then the first.

In fact a "first copy" I saw was advertised as a slightly used original for 30k a few months back.

Same box, manual and everything. It was only the colour and thickness of the barrel that gave it away. It was thinner then most CFs I have seen and slightly goldenish in hue.

Ed bro, the only way to be absolutely certain that the piece is a copy or it actually is genuine is to check the barrel and the feeding mechanism. And too right you are when you mentioned the difference in the goldenish hue on the barrel. But, how many dealers are there who would actually let you dismantle the gun to check the barrel and the feeding mechanism from inside with the intention to identify weather its a copy or not...??? The pics I had uploaded were to judge the gun at a glance for its genuinity...and it was not an observation over a single incident, I have actually seen a few copies in the market where the Star and the cut on the fore end of the slide have more than just a slight difference.

Anyways, these guys have done a pretty good job in making this copy ... and the dealers are smart in selling these copies worth not more than 10K as a slightly used genuine piece...

NaveedGhani
03-02-2014, 06:28 PM
Yes. We do our shooting at the ASCC

mail me and i will give U the particulars.

any chance you can share the particulars for this ASCC range bro?

Enigmatic Desires
04-02-2014, 12:23 PM
The rotating barrel mechanism has been copied as well. The day they do the exact same barrels. Pfft!

Here this is an RAC clone Asking around 17k Last year.

Enigmatic Desires
04-02-2014, 12:23 PM
any chance you can share the particulars for this ASCC range bro?

Sure I will mail U the particulars.

When I am able to access my email after work.

Aquarius
06-02-2014, 08:12 PM
are you implying that you sold you sold your CF????
Yep I sold it.

textiledoctor
06-02-2014, 08:23 PM
The rotating barrel mechanism has been copied as well. The day they do the exact same barrels. Pfft!

Here this is an RAC clone Asking around 17k Last year.

ED... can u pls explain about the rotating barrel mechanism??
Tks

Enigmatic Desires
07-02-2014, 11:46 AM
Yep I sold it.

You SOLD it.. B B B But why :(

Enigmatic Desires
07-02-2014, 11:48 AM
ED... can u pls explain about the rotating barrel mechanism??
Tks

The CF has a rotating barrel mechanisim. Unlike hte conventional locked breech tilt barrel mech of hte Browning high power.

Virtually all 9mm hand guns in the market follow that principle. Except for
The Stoeger/Berreta Caugar

The Berreta PX Storm

The CF 98.