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Abbas
24-01-2011, 02:07 AM
Salams,

These days I have some time on my hands and I am very much enjoying it.

Over the years I've heard and read many opinions on what can be used to clean guns. I thought I should put all methods to the test and see if any of them make sense.

I picked three different household cleaning products which I thought could be used to clean guns, the first and most obvious choice was hot water and soap (Lemon Max), the second being Glint which is a universal cleaner similar to Windex or Simple Green and the third was Nail Polish remover.

I was determined only to use a single brush (the same for all guns) and cotton patches.

The products strike a pose:

http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii99/AbbasMalik/Cleaning1.jpg

Assigning Guns to cleaning products: Glint went to the Zigana LEA, Lemon Max to CZ TS and the little Rami took the Nail Polish remover head on.

http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii99/AbbasMalik/Cleaning2.jpg

Since this was an experiment, I was only interested in putting the toughest and the most messy parts of the gun, the barrel and recoil springs to the test. All were equally dirty.

http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii99/AbbasMalik/Cleaning3.jpg


The TS went first in hot water around (80c) and 5ml of Lemon Max.

http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii99/AbbasMalik/Cleaning4.jpg


Rubba dub dub my Ts in the tub ;)

http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii99/AbbasMalik/Cleaning5.jpg


Rami's barrel and springs went next and were soaked in Nail Polish remover:

http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii99/AbbasMalik/Cleaning6.jpg

http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii99/AbbasMalik/Cleaning7.jpg


The Zigana parts were initially only spayed and then soaked in Glint but that didn't seem enough so I added hot water to the mix as well.

http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii99/AbbasMalik/Cleaning8.jpg


After rinsing off with water and drying:

http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii99/AbbasMalik/Cleaning9.jpg

Abbas
24-01-2011, 02:08 AM
After drying, I was skeptical about the long last effects of these chemicals on my gun barrels, they were also understandably over dry in most places and moist in others. The best solution was to liberally spray all parts with WD40. It acts as a cleaning, lubricating and protective agent.

http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii99/AbbasMalik/Cleaning11.jpg

Prior to WD40 I had run a clean cotton patch in each of the barrels to see if any more grime came out, none did. I was interested to see how much more of it I could remove from the barrels after them being soaked in WD40.

http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii99/AbbasMalik/Cleaning12.jpg

That done I was not too pleased with any of the cleaning agents all the more or less the same result. After running the above patches I used clean ones and tried to remove more grime but all came out clean. Time for the Hoppe's test.

http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii99/AbbasMalik/Cleaning13.jpg

The same method which was applied with WD40 was used, clean patches with a little Hoppes on the center was applied for 60 seconds on each of the barrels. Results below:

http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii99/AbbasMalik/Cleaning14.jpg

Pretty much the same all across the board. The barrels afterwards.

http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii99/AbbasMalik/Cleaning15.jpg


Conclusion: This was just an experiment to put all the various gun cleaning theories to a practical test to see if any of them make sense. Frankly they don't, the time for soap and hot water cleaning ended with mass availability of non corrosive ammo, Glint, Windex, Simple Green and Nail Polish remover are no substitute for even a below average / cheap gun cleaner like Diesel or WD40.

Do it right the first time, use Hoppe's, Brunox etc.

Hope you guys enjoyed this little experiment, it was done as much for amusement as for practical usage possibilities.

The "Anti Bacterial Cleaned" guns: ;)

http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii99/AbbasMalik/Cleaning16.jpg

Silent killerr
24-01-2011, 07:12 AM
Nice experiment. You always came with new ideas

HussainAli
24-01-2011, 08:29 AM
Abbas Sb, Indeed a very nice job for the members like us, I wounder I have been cleaning my Hand Guns with Pertol and WD40 I just remove the plastic grip /parts and soak the GUNs for few mins in petrol, plastic brush for some parts and then dry and WD40 coverage /a little oil on the right parts. and it seems to be working fine (as long as I think) ....
Any idea or comments please...
Regards

AK47
24-01-2011, 09:04 AM
Lols on the sanitation efforts. ha ha ha!

Couldn't help laughing, especially on the thought out Rami/Nail polish remover combo!

Thanks Chief for another joyful share, you indeed seem to have time on you these days, soft nursing your toys! Heck, the commercial ad makers should have been called around to watch the joyous affair going on in the bathroom! Lols! Would have boosted the sales on all these household items, giving the housewifes something to ponder about.

No doubts, Brunox rules here.

Regards.

12GAUGE
24-01-2011, 10:35 AM
AoA Abbas Bhai

awesome thread and indeed a very fruitful experiment. keep it up bhai.

I have been using simple greens for cleaning my firearms for quiet some time now and have found it to be quiet powerful in removing carbon residue and gunk from handgun frames and shotgun's receiver. I use hot water mixed with recommended strength (5:1) of hot water to simple greens mixture then simply dunk everything in it for 15-20 minutes. then I remove everything and clean everything using cotton patch and lots of elbow grease. it works better than any specialty cleaner. the first thing that you'll notice how it cleans the metal pores. metal becomes squeaky clean but it should be immediately drenched with a WD40 (or CLP) bath to flush off any water reside and to provide rust protection. barrels however always get a dedicated (firearm specific) solvent treatment.

Regards.

ACHILLES
24-01-2011, 07:32 PM
nice way to clean guns. Atleast i am encouraged as my dishwasher can clean guns for me. I am free from cleaning labour.

s.cheema
24-01-2011, 10:31 PM
very informative experiment, thank you for sharing

masood357
24-01-2011, 10:36 PM
@Abbas
Sir what about cleaning guns only with WD-40 n applying some oil after that. Does it harm the bluing of the gun, please do guide in this regard.

Abbas
24-01-2011, 11:00 PM
@Silent Killer, HussainAli, Ak47, 12Guage, Achilles, SCheema and Masood357 Thank you.

@HussianAli Your method is fine, although WD40 works fine I would suggest 'graduating' to Hoppe's or Brunox powder solvent sometime in the future.

@Achilles I am working on that as well ;) Trying to get my hands on an Ultrasonic Gun cleaner.

@Masood357 WD40 works just fine brother but it is more of a jack of all kind of item rather than built for a specific purpose like powder solvents for guns. WD40 will not spoil your gun's bluing.

HussainAli
25-01-2011, 09:12 AM
@Silent Killer, HussainAli, Ak47, 12Guage, Achilles, SCheema and Masood357 Thank you.

@HussianAli Your method is fine, although WD40 works fine I would suggest 'graduating' to Hoppe's or Brunox powder solvent sometime in the future.

@Achilles I am working on that as well ;) Trying to get my hands on an Ultrasonic Gun cleaner.

@Masood357 WD40 works just fine brother but it is more of a jack of all kind of item rather than built for a specific purpose like powder solvents for guns. WD40 will not spoil your gun's bluing.


Many Thanks Abbas Bro, Will try next time with Hoppe's and let you know my experince...

Regards

Mitho
25-01-2011, 11:20 AM
has anybody tried using brake fluid for removing rust?i have used it on old rusted locks and it works a lot better than wd40.
ps do not use on polymer pistol as it is corrosive for plastics.

Maximus
25-01-2011, 11:32 AM
Conclusion: This was just an experiment to put all the various gun cleaning theories to a practical test to see if any of them make sense. Frankly they don't, the time for soap and hot water cleaning ended with mass availability of non corrosive ammo, Glint, Windex, Simple Green and Nail Polish remover are no substitute for even a below average / cheap gun cleaner like Diesel or WD40.

Do it right the first time, use Hoppe's, Brunox etc.

Hope you guys enjoyed this little experiment, it was done as much for amusement as for practical usage possibilities.



:D
informative experiment Chief . The conclusion says it all. and good work with the pictures-telling-a-story.

Moeen
25-01-2011, 04:06 PM
Salam All,
@Achilles - LOLs... you are full of satire these days I can judge by your comments... keep it up atleast for me, need to get as much laughter in my system as possible.
@Abbas - bhai, great idea(s), I do hope you won't be posting pics of the house servant washing the guns next....

Skeeter60
25-01-2011, 07:11 PM
@ABBAS

Very well researched excercise. Yes the conventional gun cleaning solvents are best used.
All the house hold cleaners and window glass cleaners do contain varying degrees of ingredients found in gun solvents. The window cleaners have a bit of ammonia which is also present in almost all Copper solvents but in the gun cleanining solvents the ammonia is in very strong concentrations that is why there is the bad smell after using it. Similarly acetone is an active ingredient in powder solvents as it dissolves all powder and primer residue and also shotgun plastic wad residue.
How ever using the nail polish remover could damage the grip panels and weaken the plastic counter recoil guide used in Glocks and CZs. It can also damage plastic front sights on many pistols.
Abbas Concluded well when he recommends the conventional solvents and cleaners.

Xerga
25-01-2011, 11:06 PM
test was indeed informative and amusing....... good job.



The "Anti Bacterial Cleaned" guns................................. LMAO :)


also i want to add that... i simply love it when i see u guys put you your good efforts and let other be convinced ....... step wise snapshots and opinions ......... its very helpful to understand what u have to present before this forum. i know it takes good amount of time and energy................ thankyou for that as it helps.

Starfish
26-01-2011, 08:41 PM
The "Anti Bacterial Cleaned" guns: ;)


LOL!! and the lemon / fresh scent comes free :P

A Sheikh
27-01-2011, 09:13 AM
http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii99/AbbasMalik/Cleaning2.jpg

Interesting experiment. Good to see men at work with detergents :)

ACHILLES
28-01-2011, 08:34 PM
@Silent Killer, HussainAli, Ak47, 12Guage, Achilles, SCheema and Masood357 Thank you.

@HussianAli Your method is fine, although WD40 works fine I would suggest 'graduating' to Hoppe's or Brunox powder solvent sometime in the future.

@Achilles I am working on that as well ;) Trying to get my hands on an Ultrasonic Gun cleaner.
@Masood357 WD40 works just fine brother but it is more of a jack of all kind of item rather than built for a specific purpose like powder solvents for guns. WD40 will not spoil your gun's bluing.

Abbas bhai are you looking for that ulterasonic Gun cleaner or dishwasher/gunwasher ?

Aquarius
29-01-2011, 12:01 PM
Great experiment with household detergents.. what about using sweep Lolzzz.

REHAN
29-01-2011, 03:44 PM
Bhai, I do not use my weapon much, Do i still need regular cleaning every month? I only use Cleaner & machine oil for cleaning purpose.

Abbas
01-02-2011, 02:43 PM
@Maximus, Moeen, Skeeter60, Xerga, A Sheik, Aquarius Thank you.

@Moeen With the big and sexy title, I'm hoping the next experiment will be from your side cleaning your guns in Bermudas akin Paris Hilton and Hardees Ad ;)

@Rehan No, if you don't use your your weapon it does not need monthly cleaning. I do however suggest cleaning it 2 times a year just as a preventive measure.

American Lockpicker
13-11-2011, 11:33 PM
You should start a thread on gun lube and use items like KY jelly or whale oil that I hear other people have actually suggested on other forums. LOL

Asiftt
14-11-2011, 12:28 AM
Abbas Sb

Nice household experiment.
Once have accidentally used a high flammable solvent like thinner or nail polish remover in the past to clean grease on my Stoeger, afterward what i noted that it removed all the bluing and protective finish from slide n frame.

Any water based detergent and natural like lemon max would not hurt any protective finish but would leave a danger of corrosion build if any traces are left behind or not properly post lubricated.

WD40 is a universal Water Dispensing agent which is ideal to quick lubricate or prevent firearm from rusting if need to store for longer periods. WD40 is not a good lubricant tho , its dries off quickly as i experienced. Your comments are welcomed. Thanks for sharing the experiment.

Skeeter60
14-11-2011, 11:19 AM
WD 40 is only an effective cleaner. It does not prevent rusting but it actually may enhance the chance of rusting as it removes any traces of lubricant or preservative existing on the weapon.

sights
14-11-2011, 12:21 PM
Nyce info bro

Ahnab
14-11-2011, 04:21 PM
You should start a thread on gun lube and use items like KY jelly or whale oil that I hear other people have actually suggested on other forums. LOL

KY JELLY!? Do those morons actually know what it's for!? HAHAHAHAHA!!!! :-D

Abbas
14-11-2011, 06:36 PM
@American Lockpicker Lol, a year back I tried using that as well. Doesn't work out well. After about 20 rounds the rails were bone dry again.

@AsifTT and Skeeter60 Useful comments thank you.

@Ahnab We know what Glint, Lemon Max and Nail Polish remover are for but that didn't stop us trying it out did it ? ;)

American Lockpicker
15-11-2011, 04:38 AM
KY JELLY!? Do those morons actually know what it's for!? HAHAHAHAHA!!!! :-D

Who knows. LOL

HussainAli
15-11-2011, 10:31 AM
WD 40 is only an effective cleaner. It does not prevent rusting but it actually may enhance the chance of rusting as it removes any traces of lubricant or preservative existing on the weapon.

Sir, Very true, Like in my family we use WD40 & now NASA Rust-O-Nil very effective care, and even after 90 Plus years some of weapons are still in shape & working conditions..............

Regards

Furrukh
03-12-2011, 07:44 PM
Lolzzz Abbas I would've rather watched a movie. Honestly speaking I don't have the balls to pull out such a experiment on my black beauty. But nonethless sacrifices are made for the overall benefit of the society.

Thanks for putting your handguns in jeapordy for our overall general knowledge.:wink:

Wolf Hunter
04-12-2011, 02:33 PM
Indeed a very well experimented test. I 'll not comment on what we learnt through this test but this post is merely to recognise the efforts the Chief put on for the sake of all of us.Such contribution from his side are the foundations to open venues of thoughts for others to learn.This not only speaks of his ingenuity of mind but also his smart and organized working abilty.