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Abbas
30-11-2010, 01:03 PM
Salams, I heard some original Russian made TT's were recently imported and are being sold in Peshawar. Anyone seen any and idea's are to price ?

Dr Zakir
30-11-2010, 02:21 PM
job for illyas and aquarius

AL Nasir
30-11-2010, 02:27 PM
Respected Abbas sahib,

Main nay bohat research ki hay lakin original Russian pistol (Tokarave) |TT is not available in any market.

Afzaal
30-11-2010, 04:52 PM
today heard the rumors that
2 lacs Russian TT have been imported to pk.

AK47
30-11-2010, 04:55 PM
Wow! This indeed seems an assignment for Aquarius/Ilyas duo!!

Anyhow, could anyone post some interesting pics of the Russian TT, as far as I remember it was quite "uglier" than the Chinese, isn't it?? Any basic difference in features?

Sohail
30-11-2010, 04:59 PM
thus must be 50k in khi.

AK47
30-11-2010, 05:01 PM
@Sohail bro.......Congrats on your new TT!! :jaw:


50K?? I'd pay you 100k for 5 min with THAT beauty?? What a naughty smile! :kiss:

Several steps above Miss Halcyon! :wink:

Afzaal
30-11-2010, 05:07 PM
@Sohail bro.......Congrats on your new TT!! :jaw:


50K?? I'd pay you 100k for 5 min with THAT beauty?? What a naughty smile! :kiss:


he is just Guessing the karachi's market price from other cities figures :p

Vik
30-11-2010, 05:18 PM
Afzaal Bhi aap samjhee nahee. lol

Afzaal
30-11-2010, 05:22 PM
Afzaal Bhi aap samjhee nahee. lol
lolz :D oh
Ak' is talking about including that beauty ( in avatar )

AL Nasir
30-11-2010, 05:46 PM
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b9/ChineseType54Pistol.jpg/220px-

heres the Pic of Original Tokarav TT (russian)

ACHILLES
30-11-2010, 06:11 PM
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b9/ChineseType54Pistol.jpg/220px-

heres the Pic of Original Tokarav TT (russian)

Sorry to disagree but this is not origional russian TT.

Russian TTs are never imported to Pakistan. As matter of fact russia have ceased the production of TT pistols replaced by Makerov for their own armed forces largely. They only manufacture on order for law enforcement from different countries. There is a military surplus stock lying in russian military warehouses which needs refurbishing. And also permission of the Army to sell. I have no confirm info regarding the numbers. But i am certain that no import of TTs are made to Pakistan in the recent past.

Mohammad
30-11-2010, 06:27 PM
i agree with achilles on the fact that russia ceased production of TT way back in the 70s and the export of arms from russia to pakistan began in the recent years. The TT's that were present here were as a result of afghan jihad of the 80's. Anyways if someone do get across such TT, please do share it with us

AK47
30-11-2010, 07:09 PM
lolz :D oh
Ak' is talking about including that beauty ( in avatar )

Lolz! You got it Afzal bro! :tea:

Stupidly been trying over and over to click on Sohail bro's avatar for "enlargement", yet every time it comes back in smaller dimensions! You know, in terms of "thick brains", there's a bit of similarity between Singhs and Khans! :der: :lol:

Anyhow, to get back to the issue, the Russian TT's were indeed stopped, but who say's getting rid of "stocks" by sending to Pakistan with a big TT market may not be a possibility???

In any case, I agree with ACHILLES bro, picture above is not what I remember as image of Russian TT's, saw many of them back during Afgan Jehad. That's the reason why I asked for some nice pics, coz the traditional Wiki pics don't portray it nicely, seems though no PG member got one of these, so far???

Ilyas
30-11-2010, 09:03 PM
Stupidly been trying over and over to click on Sohail bro's avatar for "enlargement", yet every time it comes back in smaller dimensions! You know, in terms of "thick brains", there's a bit of similarity between Singhs and Khans! :der: :lol: ...

lols... Ak Bro it is called persistence and it certainly is a good trait to have :yo:

Topak
30-11-2010, 10:41 PM
sorry for my less knowledge....the TT we having these days in market are not russians TTs ...i am talking about tokorave (sorry for spells)

ACHILLES
30-11-2010, 10:43 PM
sorry for my less knowledge....the TT we having these days in market are not russians TTs ...i am talking about tokorave (sorry for spells)

They are chinese clones of russian TTs.

Topak
30-11-2010, 11:02 PM
thanks Sir for info actually i was talking about zastava,but wrote about tokorave.

Aquarius
30-11-2010, 11:06 PM
No Russian TT (Tokarev) is imported in the recent past.. called few dealers but they all said its just rumours.. will call more dealers tomorrow Inshallah for full conformation.

ACHILLES
30-11-2010, 11:32 PM
Aquarius bro not only in recent past but i think russian TTs are never imported into pakistan at all.

Vik
01-12-2010, 02:51 AM
this is a nice thread.

mimran
01-12-2010, 03:17 AM
551 I think this is the Pic of Original Tokarav TT (russian)552

javed354
01-12-2010, 02:11 PM
551 I think this is the Pic of Original Tokarav TT (russian)552

@ mimran bro, Yes that is the real pure Russian TT with Russian bullets. wow. Beautiful.

jehanzeb
21-12-2010, 12:04 PM
one Dealer told me that end of this month it is expected with me.

Enigmatic Desires
22-12-2010, 02:30 AM
If the russians ever want to dump their surplus stocks. Pakistan is the place to do it. I dont think there exists a country more TT friendly....

ACHILLES
22-12-2010, 10:20 AM
I heard the buzz of russian TTs in handsome volume, hitting the market real soon.

ACHILLES
22-12-2010, 10:25 AM
:) :) :) :)

Afzaal
22-12-2010, 06:20 PM
i was never handguner but waiting those 'Tula Tokarev' anxiously :p

Lock & Load
23-12-2010, 07:12 PM
145 Russian surplus TTs were imported from Czech Republic in recent past (last month). Around 200 more are suppose to arrive in near futuer.

Topak
23-12-2010, 07:21 PM
145 Russian surplus TTs were imported from Czech Republic in recent past (last month). Around 200 more are suppose to arrive in near futuer.
good news for 30 lovers.... who imported the ICE CREAM?

ACHILLES
23-12-2010, 08:25 PM
145 Russian surplus TTs were imported from Czech Republic in recent past (last month). Around 200 more are suppose to arrive in near futuer.

Price and availability?

Lock & Load
23-12-2010, 08:49 PM
First lot went from 40K to 48K. It went like "gone with the wind", waiting for the 2nd lot to get hold of one. No arrival date as yet.

ACHILLES
23-12-2010, 09:09 PM
40k to 48k no way man price is too high for plain russian tt. i would never opt for 8 shot tt for such high price. so what if it is russian. i can wear out two chinese tt in this price and will be left with some spare money to spend on some goodies. and if i choose serbian TTs to wear out, than i will be at par with price costing one RUSSIAN TT (taking 48k price tag in mind).

colt 1911
23-12-2010, 09:54 PM
i agree with sir Achilles

Lock & Load
23-12-2010, 10:29 PM
40k to 48k no way man price is too high for plain russian tt. i would never opt for 8 shot tt for such high price. so what if it is russian. i can wear out two chinese tt in this price and will be left with some spare money to spend on some goodies. and if i choose serbian TTs to wear out, than i will be at par with price costing one RUSSIAN TT (taking 48k price tag in mind).

I bought my Zastava in 32 K when the dollar agaisnt Ruppee was Rs. 62. To me 40K would be a deal price.

AK47
23-12-2010, 11:14 PM
It's all about the passion. For TT addicts, this may be fine. I personally line up with ACHILLES bro! +1!

@Lock & Load.......When dollar was at 62, you were kind of "fleeced" bro at 32K. It's for 30K today even.

ACHILLES
24-12-2010, 12:36 AM
I bought my Zastava in 32 K when the dollar agaisnt Ruppee was Rs. 62. To me 40K would be a deal price.

I am not challenging your ideas and liking. Just my rational of Russian TT at the price mentioned.

ACHILLES
24-12-2010, 12:38 AM
@Lock & Load.......When dollar was at 62, you were kind of "fleeced" bro at 32K. It's for 30K today even.

AK 47 bro i got my zastava for 24 k blued one NIB.

Mohammad
24-12-2010, 11:31 AM
i think zastava is more refined then the russian TT. barrel is made of good quality steel with cold forging method. I would prefer zastava

Lock & Load
24-12-2010, 02:19 PM
It's all about the passion. For TT addicts, this may be fine. I personally line up with ACHILLES bro! +1!

@Lock & Load.......When dollar was at 62, you were kind of "fleeced" bro at 32K. It's for 30K today even.

Bro. That's what I mean, M57 is still around 30K.



I am not challenging your ideas and liking. Just my rational of Russian TT at the price mentioned.

Bro. your thoughts are very much respected. The thoughts about getting 2 Chinese TTs against one Russian TT are well justified for you. But I think bit differently. I will go for the original breed (pedigree :D ) where ever possible. To me if the original breed is available with the minimal difference as compare to other available options then why not go for the original rather than clones. I AM not against the clones but original gun with it's own history is better than any replica/clone.

I use to have an original Russian TT, which I very much regret that I had let it go. As you may have seen the original Russian TT which clearly shows the difference among Chinese and Serbian TTs. All Serbian or Chinese TTs have sharp edges on the internal parts and very rough finish on the internal parts including internal surface of slide and frame. While on the other hand the Russian TT has quite smooth and nice finish on all internal parts including the slide and frame.

Having said that I do like Chinese/Serbian TT as they have proven to be reliable and nice shooters but when I have a chance to get the original breed/design/model then why not go for it where the difference of price is not that much (Comparing with M57).

Afzaal
24-12-2010, 02:45 PM
Lock & Load (http://www.pakguns.com/member.php?1757-Lock-amp-Load)
you and me are from same school of thought.
i never think about clones not just in pistols or any arms but in everything.

Lock & Load
24-12-2010, 04:37 PM
Afzaal,

That's good to know. As per Heckler & Koch's motto "In the World of Compromise, Some Don't."

hskhan2k2
24-12-2010, 09:05 PM
i heard that up as well.

ACHILLES
05-01-2011, 11:30 AM
Here is origional old .30 TT Russian.
http://i1207.photobucket.com/albums/bb465/KHANACHILLES/tt33-r.jpg
http://i1207.photobucket.com/albums/bb465/KHANACHILLES/tt33-l.jpg

assad ahmad nawab
05-01-2011, 02:15 PM
whats the barrel life of such old gun?

ACHILLES
05-01-2011, 02:23 PM
whats the barrel life of such old gun?
Depands upon how much ammo is fired through the gun and how clean and well maintained they are kept. Above gun has got slightly abused external appearence but barrel is 100%. Common problem in these TTs are that they have the tendency to break a firing pin retention pin, which is placed tangent to the firing pin and transverse through the slide, and is visible while looking at the slide of the gun while looking sideways while the slide is in battery. I have replaced that pin with my own designed and high carbon steel forged pin through gunsmith. (Not broken but to be sure).

assad ahmad nawab
05-01-2011, 08:44 PM
hmm thanks sir

Aquarius
23-01-2011, 11:05 PM
Confirmed.. original Russian TT is imported to Pakistan.. price is 45 to 50K.

Aquarius
23-01-2011, 11:08 PM
Its the same old models in very good condition.

AK47
23-01-2011, 11:10 PM
hmm.....50K! From collection point of view, perhaps O.K. Price should have been max 35K, present Russian goods going for same price as those decades old??

ACHILLES
23-01-2011, 11:13 PM
These TTs are czech refurbished ones.

AK47
23-01-2011, 11:16 PM
These TTs are czech refurbished ones.

Another interesting info!! Why wouldn't they refurbish it themselves?? You mean, import is coming from Czech?

Aquarius
23-01-2011, 11:27 PM
These TTs are czech refurbished ones.

ACHILLES bro.. I will disagree as I asked the same ? from the dealer & he replied "No Sir its not refurbished".. God knows because he was short of it at that moment & didn't have a single piece, therefore didn't get a chance to examine it (all pieces sold out like hot cakes).. said will be available in a week's time.

ACHILLES
24-01-2011, 12:00 AM
Bro czechosolvakia was under the USSR for many years and they have equiped some part of czechosolvakian forces with their weapons. The TTs and some other weapons are coming from czech.

ACHILLES
24-01-2011, 12:06 AM
If these were coming from russia than why are they far less in no; than Baikal 446. Cost of these TTs would be definitly less than Baikal 446 in russia, as 446 being modern gun so more demand, so for the same worth of Import licence more no; of pistol could have been imported so more guns more profit.

ACHILLES
24-01-2011, 12:07 AM
and yes sell price is more than baikal 446. so for TT more profit.

Apalo
24-01-2011, 08:37 AM
is this imported Russian TT reliable after years of usage ?

ACHILLES
24-01-2011, 07:43 PM
is this imported Russian TT reliable after years of usage ?

No one have used it for years. They are the first lot known to be russian and imported, so how could someone have used it for years. As far the old russian TTs goes, they are still running.

Abbas
25-01-2011, 09:40 PM
I'll probably get one as well when they come in but 40 K is a ridiculous price for it. These guns are mostly for collection or nostalgic reasons, functionally, finish and usage wise they don't compare to the brand new Zastava M57 which sells for around 25 K.

These Russian Toks although unused (not refurbished) were made more than 50 years ago.

Dr Zakir
26-01-2011, 08:14 AM
Price is too high

ACHILLES
27-01-2011, 08:48 PM
These Russian Toks although unused (not refurbished) were made more than 50 years ago.

Thanks Abbas bhai for the update. I have not seen one till now but some one else have told that these were old CZECH stock lying there and they have refurbished these AND some old info which i had shared on the forum some time back prior to these TTs coming into pakistan was that good amount of old TTs are lying in the military warehouses in Russia and they want to dispose but no deal was struck till last news. So may be the guns are directly from russia. But i am not going to belive that if they are 50years old and they are fine in box no corrosion or anything like that, I understand that methods are there to preserve them but still i doubt...., Anyhow i think 40k is not reasonable. I my self would not purchase it as M57 will do the job for me so no need of spending more.

But for a thirty lover or collector this gun is MUST HAVE.

Apalo
28-01-2011, 09:51 PM
Price is too high
angoor ider be khatay hain

PUNJTANI5
08-05-2011, 06:41 PM
i have a russian made old tt made in 1938 i guess
it is a clunker to see and handles like a dream

the gunsmiths want to buy it saying this is a piece of faeces and i will give u a new tt with this gun + --- thousand rupees

and i say bro i love this gun although this is a khochal it shoots fine

then an acquiantance told me that this is a real russian gun from the era and so i understood why the gunsmiths or dealers want to snatch it from me by under rating it . earlier i also thought this gun was a crappy old darra made version but then u know what happens . __________________

ayaztufail
29-06-2012, 12:17 AM
Salams, I heard some original Russian made TT's were recently imported and are being sold in Peshawar. Anyone seen any and idea's are to price ?

i saw the russian made tt's in peshawar markert only 23 piece and i bought one in 35k.

Ameer
29-06-2012, 12:33 AM
i saw the russian made tt's in peshawar markert only 23 piece and i bought one in 35k.

Are you talking abt the recent scenario or you bought it earlier. Plz share as i would like to have one for me.

Afzaal
29-06-2012, 06:39 AM
Are you talking abt the recent scenario or you bought it earlier. Plz share as i would like to have one for me.

2 weeks ago i have been quoted 36k for same item in Peshawar but i am not TT guru to inspect its originality

Ameer
29-06-2012, 10:10 AM
2 weeks ago i have been quoted 36k for same item in Peshawar but i am not TT guru to inspect its originality

sorry bro, i didn't get to that post of yours in time. Plz share the dealer name n location.

asimazan
29-06-2012, 10:14 AM
please mention the dealer name

bbiillaall
29-06-2012, 10:49 AM
2 weeks ago i have been quoted 36k for same item in Peshawar but i am not TT guru to inspect its originality

excellent price bro. Its for 42-45K in Lahore.

But guys, pls be careful as it should be original and one should hv clear recognition of original Russian TT before buying it.

I bought mine from the person who brought it from Russia by himself and its with the original horse leather cover (Gaatra) :) lucky na :)

Ameer
29-06-2012, 02:33 PM
excellent price bro. Its for 42-45K in Lahore.

But guys, pls be careful as it should be original and one should hv clear recognition of original Russian TT before buying it.

I bought mine from the person who brought it from Russia by himself and its with the original horse leather cover (Gaatra) :) lucky na :)

You are lucky, is it used one?

bbiillaall
29-06-2012, 02:52 PM
You are lucky, is it used one?

Its brand new bro.
1952 make :)

11125

bbiillaall
29-06-2012, 02:54 PM
make year :)

11126

bbiillaall
29-06-2012, 02:55 PM
CCCP written on grips :)

11127

Afzaal
01-07-2012, 08:09 AM
sorry bro, i didn't get to that post of yours in time. Plz share the dealer name n location.

Pak China arms University Road Gul Haji Plaza
Sales Person is Abdul wahab
give him my reference if any problem in Price...

Afzaal
01-07-2012, 08:11 AM
excellent price bro. Its for 42-45K in Lahore.

But guys, pls be careful as it should be original and one should hv clear recognition of original Russian TT before buying it.

I bought mine from the person who brought it from Russia by himself and its with the original horse leather cover (Gaatra) :) lucky na :)

Mashallah you have got beautiful solid weapon bro
may it serve you for ages...
Regards

bbiillaall
01-07-2012, 12:59 PM
Mashallah you have got beautiful solid weapon bro may it serve you for ages...RegardsThanks bro :)

s.cheema
01-07-2012, 09:28 PM
beautiful gun and holster. may i ask how to to differentiate between a fake and an original tt

Afzaal
02-07-2012, 10:03 AM
make year :)

11126

and one thing more to authenticate its Originality :)
http://www.makarov.ch/index.php?page=allocate_manufacturer

http://www.makarov.ch/picture/Pistol_Makarov_Cutout_Baikal_02.jpg
(http://www.makarov.ch/index.php?page=allocate_manufacturer)

bbiillaall
02-07-2012, 12:29 PM
beautiful gun and holster. may i ask how to to differentiate between a fake and an original ttBuy from a 100% trusty person.

bbiillaall
02-07-2012, 12:34 PM
and one thing more to authenticate its Originality :)http://www.makarov.ch/index.php?page=allocate_manufacturerhttp://www.makarov.ch/picture/Pistol_Makarov_Cutout_Baikal_02.jpg (http://www.makarov.ch/index.php?page=allocate_manufacturer)Bro these dealers can put any mark on pistol to give it real look so one must buy from 100% trusty person. I hv seen 100% copied TT's and its hard to see the difference. So always b careful while buying TT whether Russian or chinees or any other. One should get what he is paying for.

Asif Ali
02-07-2012, 05:04 PM
@bbiillaall
100% correct. Darra people are TT expert:)

Syed
02-07-2012, 10:42 PM
sorry bro, i didn't get to that post of yours in time. Plz share the dealer name n location.
do chk with fakhre alam

Ameer
02-07-2012, 10:48 PM
do chk with fakhre alam

i will this saturday, thankyou. Any idea of price?

Syed
03-07-2012, 10:11 AM
i will this saturday, thankyou. Any idea of price?
try to get it round about 30

Ameer
03-07-2012, 08:54 PM
try to get it round about 30

very well thankyou

Fahim
03-07-2012, 09:52 PM
i saw some at the shops in karkhano market. just across the check post.. on 3rd June.. he quoted at 40 k but i didn't bargain caz i was looking for soemthing else..

iffi
04-07-2012, 01:44 PM
I Need Pistol range rs:20,000 to 35,000/-

please mujhay koi bataye k magzine capacity bhi ziada ho or pistol bhi achi ho .

please tell me which pistol is good for self defence?

asimazan
04-07-2012, 02:15 PM
pof made 9mm is best in your budget

iffi
04-07-2012, 02:52 PM
asimazan (http://www.pakguns.com/member.php?6048-asimazan) sahib thanx to comnts mujhay Pakistan made pistol ni leni. Please tell me Chinese or other.

iffi
04-07-2012, 02:55 PM
Please advice me pistol Chinese or other but not Pakistan Made and also tell me about prices.

Islamabad ka License kitnay ka ban rha hai Karachi Lucky Star dealers k pass?

Laino
04-07-2012, 03:36 PM
Please advice me pistol Chinese or other but not Pakistan Made and also tell me about prices.

Islamabad ka License kitnay ka ban rha hai Karachi Lucky Star dealers k pass?


iffi bro urdu is not allowed on the forum, only english is allowed

iffi
04-07-2012, 03:40 PM
LAINO ok

tell me which one is good?

mirzaw
07-07-2012, 02:31 PM
I Need Pistol range rs:20,000 to 35,000/-

please mujhay koi bataye k magzine capacity bhi ziada ho or pistol bhi achi ho .

please tell me which pistol is good for self defence?

1. CF 98 (9mm) ---> above your budget.. Rs.40K+
2. Norinco TT (7.62 x 25 or .30 cal) ---> falls within your budget.. Rs.23K

iffi
07-07-2012, 04:22 PM
1. CF 98 (9mm) ---> above your budget.. Rs.40K+
2. Norinco TT (7.62 x 25 or .30 cal) ---> falls within your budget.. Rs.23K

mirzaw (http://www.pakguns.com/member.php?5592-mirzaw) Bro tell me POF made guns are reliable? and which guns r reliable POF made? & Chinese which can in my budget?

Enigmatic Desires
07-07-2012, 04:37 PM
mirzaw (http://www.pakguns.com/member.php?5592-mirzaw) Bro tell me POF made guns are reliable? and which guns r reliable POF made? & Chinese which can in my budget?

Iffi. Buddy.. Please get a license first.. then we can talk bout what's best in your budget.. Without a license most dealers wont even allow you to touch their marchandise.

iffi
07-07-2012, 04:40 PM
Iffi. Buddy.. Please get a license first.. then we can talk bout what's best in your budget.. Without a license most dealers wont even allow you to touch their marchandise.

Enigmatic Desires (http://www.pakguns.com/member.php?430-Enigmatic-Desires) Bro License in my hand i have a month for purchase. now pls tell me.

Enigmatic Desires
07-07-2012, 05:36 PM
In the 25k range if u insist on an imported weapon then your only options would be the Chinese TT in .30 or the NP 17 the same one in 9mm. NP 17s are pretty rare and if you look around long enough u just might be able to find a used one for around 25k. Chinese TTs both 636 as well as 54 are available around 20k (HM Traders Lucky star without negotiation) If U look around u might be able to find a used one for around 14-15k.. Megar armoury at lucky star had a display piece Chinese TT he was willing to let go at around 15k.

If TTs are not your thing then in this price range u can go for a local berreta 92 fs clone. The Khyber arms clone as well as moonstar arms and sherpao arms are around the same price range 18 to 20k max and are availabe at virtually all the dealers. Moonstar have their factory outlet at lucky star by the same name while Khyber arms distributors in Karachi are ammar and company also at lucky star.

However, if local clones are not your cup of tea then u wil have to increase your budget a bit for a CF 98. I saw a used one at mustufa and co asking 35k. Beyond that Badar brothers had a used Kanuni asking 42k. As you increase your budget so too will your options increase as well..

iffi
07-07-2012, 06:02 PM
In the 25k range if u insist on an imported weapon then your only options would be the Chinese TT in .30 or the NP 17 the same one in 9mm. NP 17s are pretty rare and if you look around long enough u just might be able to find a used one for around 25k. Chinese TTs both 636 as well as 54 are available around 20k (HM Traders Lucky star without negotiation) If U look around u might be able to find a used one for around 14-15k.. Megar armoury at lucky star had a display piece Chinese TT he was willing to let go at around 15k.

If TTs are not your thing then in this price range u can go for a local berreta 92 fs clone. The Khyber arms clone as well as moonstar arms and sherpao arms are around the same price range 18 to 20k max and are availabe at virtually all the dealers. Moonstar have their factory outlet at lucky star by the same name while Khyber arms distributors in Karachi are ammar and company also at lucky star.

However, if local clones are not your cup of tea then u wil have to increase your budget a bit for a CF 98. I saw a used one at mustufa and co asking 35k. Beyond that Badar brothers had a used Kanuni asking 42k. As you increase your budget so too will your options increase as well..

Enigmatic Desires (http://www.pakguns.com/member.php?430-Enigmatic-Desires) Bro I heard about Beretta 92fs Clone "Blast while Fire" is it correct?

Enigmatic Desires
07-07-2012, 11:39 PM
Any weapon spacialy locally produced clone can do that.. Potentialy... However as a general rule I prefer a weapon produced by a reputed company that puts its brand name on its product.

With local clones its a question of luck.. The Moonstar people told me that if I am really really serious bout shooting then I should not use a clone. having said that I know of a number of people who have not had problems with their local Berretas. But then there are others who have had issues with em..

http://www.pakguns.com/showthread.php?1204-Pakistan-Made-Weapons-Club-!

I suggest you check out this thread..

additionaly there are a lot of threads on Berreta clones just go through the search option or manualy sift though hte 9mm section.

iffi
10-07-2012, 01:03 AM
In the 25k range if u insist on an imported weapon then your only options would be the Chinese TT in .30 or the NP 17 the same one in 9mm. NP 17s are pretty rare and if you look around long enough u just might be able to find a used one for around 25k. Chinese TTs both 636 as well as 54 are available around 20k (HM Traders Lucky star without negotiation) If U look around u might be able to find a used one for around 14-15k.. Megar armoury at lucky star had a display piece Chinese TT he was willing to let go at around 15k.

If TTs are not your thing then in this price range u can go for a local berreta 92 fs clone. The Khyber arms clone as well as moonstar arms and sherpao arms are around the same price range 18 to 20k max and are availabe at virtually all the dealers. Moonstar have their factory outlet at lucky star by the same name while Khyber arms distributors in Karachi are ammar and company also at lucky star.

However, if local clones are not your cup of tea then u wil have to increase your budget a bit for a CF 98. I saw a used one at mustufa and co asking 35k. Beyond that Badar brothers had a used Kanuni asking 42k. As you increase your budget so too will your options increase as well..
Enigmatic Desires (http://www.pakguns.com/member.php?430-Enigmatic-Desires) Bro, now my amount limit is 45,000 so now tell me some good option. please bcoz i dont want KHACHAL KHUWARI bcoz i m new thats why dealer will not deal me good

iffi
10-07-2012, 11:43 AM
Enigmatic Desires (http://www.pakguns.com/member.php?430-Enigmatic-Desires) Bro
mirzaw (http://www.pakguns.com/member.php?5592-mirzaw) Bro
Laino (http://www.pakguns.com/member.php?6295-Laino) Bro
asimazan (http://www.pakguns.com/member.php?6048-asimazan) Bro
Asif Ali (http://www.pakguns.com/member.php?6105-Asif-Ali) Bro

ALL MY EXPERT BROTHERS Please advice me now for 9mm except Pak Made. I have arranged 45,000/- so please all my brothers please advice me which 9 mm pistol I can purchase in 45,000/- budget. I have an option for CF-98 but if in this range I can get other good pistol then please advice me. Also please tell me the some 9mm pistols name list and amount in Karachi Lucky Star Market. Please brothers suggest me.

Asif Ali
10-07-2012, 02:13 PM
Enigmatic Desires (http://www.pakguns.com/member.php?430-Enigmatic-Desires) Bro
mirzaw (http://www.pakguns.com/member.php?5592-mirzaw) Bro
Laino (http://www.pakguns.com/member.php?6295-Laino) Bro
asimazan (http://www.pakguns.com/member.php?6048-asimazan) Bro
Asif Ali (http://www.pakguns.com/member.php?6105-Asif-Ali) Bro

ALL MY EXPERT BROTHERS Please advice me now for 9mm except Pak Made. I have arranged 45,000/- so please all my brothers please advice me which 9 mm pistol I can purchase in 45,000/- budget. I have an option for CF-98 but if in this range I can get other good pistol then please advice me. Also please tell me the some 9mm pistols name list and amount in Karachi Lucky Star Market. Please brothers suggest me.

Bro. could you please increase a little bit so that you can go for CANIK55 guns, it would be a good option:)
Also NZ85B, NP22, Viking446, CZ 999, Kilink 2000 etc.

iffi
10-07-2012, 02:56 PM
Bro. could you please increase a little bit so that you can go for CANIK55 guns, it would be a good option:)
Also NZ85B, NP22, Viking446, CZ 999, Kilink 2000 etc.

Asif Ali Bro I cannot arrange more money

iffi
10-07-2012, 03:05 PM
Bro. could you please increase a little bit so that you can go for CANIK55 guns, it would be a good option:)
Also NZ85B, NP22, Viking446, CZ 999, Kilink 2000 etc.

Asif Ali Bro Will u please give me price idea for these pistols

CANIK55 Rs:?
NZ85B, Rs:?
NP22, Rs:?
Viking446, Rs:?
CZ 999, Rs:?
Kilink 2000, Rs:?

Ameer
10-07-2012, 08:57 PM
Enigmatic Desires (http://www.pakguns.com/member.php?430-Enigmatic-Desires) Bro
mirzaw (http://www.pakguns.com/member.php?5592-mirzaw) Bro
Laino (http://www.pakguns.com/member.php?6295-Laino) Bro
asimazan (http://www.pakguns.com/member.php?6048-asimazan) Bro
Asif Ali (http://www.pakguns.com/member.php?6105-Asif-Ali) Bro

ALL MY EXPERT BROTHERS Please advice me now for 9mm except Pak Made. I have arranged 45,000/- so please all my brothers please advice me which 9 mm pistol I can purchase in 45,000/- budget. I have an option for CF-98 but if in this range I can get other good pistol then please advice me. Also please tell me the some 9mm pistols name list and amount in Karachi Lucky Star Market. Please brothers suggest me.

In 45K, apart from CF-98, i guess Turkish handguns do fall in your budget category. Recently i bought Kanuni-S at 42K. and Canik Piranha was at 45K.

Enigmatic Desires
11-07-2012, 01:33 AM
I saw a Kanuni at badar brothers Lucky star for 42k final. Caniks are around 50k or so . In 45k U can get a CF NIB as well as ammo. I also saw a used NP 22 for 42k or so at Star traders Lucky Star. Viking 446 and CZ 555 will be out of your budget NIB unless u choose to increase it. May be you can come accross a used peice, but its demand will depend on the dealer.

Ameer
11-07-2012, 09:47 AM
I saw a Kanuni at badar brothers Lucky star for 42k final. Caniks are around 50k or so . In 45k U can get a CF NIB as well as ammo. I also saw a used NP 22 for 42k or so at Star traders Lucky Star. Viking 446 and CZ 555 will be out of your budget NIB unless u choose to increase it. May be you can come accross a used peice, but its demand will depend on the dealer.

that kanuni was nib?

black arrow
11-07-2012, 11:23 AM
that kanuni was nib?
Sorry to interrupt, but I think it is NIB price.

Ameer
11-07-2012, 06:56 PM
Sorry to interrupt, but I think it is NIB price.

Thanku and that makes Peshawar n Karachi market equivalent in price.

Enigmatic Desires
11-07-2012, 07:02 PM
Thanku and that makes Peshawar n Karachi market equivalent in price.

Nopes guys.. It was used. :(

And the 42k was final price after 20 minutes of bargaining.... And Badar Brothers is one of the more reasonable traders in the market.

black arrow
12-07-2012, 10:12 AM
Nopes guys.. It was used.

And the 42k was final price after 20 minutes of bargaining.... And Badar Brothers is one of the more reasonable traders in the market.
Really? I'm surprised! Then whats the price of NIB there?

alinazier
12-07-2012, 01:20 PM
ED now i'll remember the name Badar Brothers coz as per your adviz they are reasonable :P ;)

Regards.

Doktar
12-07-2012, 02:51 PM
@all....
This thread has been hijacked. Everything is being discussed here except Original Russian TT :-P

iffi
12-07-2012, 03:37 PM
Sorry to interrupt, but I think it is NIB price.

black arrow (http://www.pakguns.com/member.php?4851-black-arrow) Bro what does it NIB? What is mean of NIB? I dont know about NIB

Zaheer
12-07-2012, 04:21 PM
NIB means new in Box (dabba pack :p)

alinazier
12-07-2012, 04:48 PM
hahahahahaha daba pack lolx :p

iffi
12-07-2012, 04:49 PM
NIB means new in Box (dabba pack :p)

Thanx Zaheer Bhai.

I NEED YOUR HELP PLEASE HELP ME PLEASE TELL ME THE PRICE OF FOLLOWING PISTOLS:

CANIK55 Rs:?
NZ85B, Rs:?
NP22, Rs:?
Viking446, Rs:?
CZ 999, Rs:?
Kilink 2000, Rs:?
vIPER Rs:?

Zaheer
12-07-2012, 05:04 PM
I am out of Pakistan.how can I :)

iffi
12-07-2012, 05:06 PM
i am out of pakistan.how can i :)

ok but here are more experts who are living in karachi and they can give me idea

iffi
13-07-2012, 03:33 PM
I have a bad news, my Rs:20,000 has snatched in road on Thursday 12.07.2012 so thatís my range is only 25,000 to 30,000 please now tell me what should I do? Which 9mm pistol I can purchase? Please. ALL BROTHERS.
can i purchase used Chinese 9mm? where? how much?

black arrow
13-07-2012, 04:27 PM
I have a bad news, my Rs:20,000 has snatched in road on Thursday 12.07.2012 so that’s my range is only 25,000 to 30,000 please now tell me what should I do? Which 9mm pistol I can purchase? Please. ALL BROTHERS.
can i purchase used Chinese 9mm? where? how much?
Feel very sad for you ....

Zaheer
13-07-2012, 04:28 PM
Ohh,its a bad news bro.Buy a Chinese TT or save more and buy later.

iffi
13-07-2012, 04:52 PM
black arrow (http://www.pakguns.com/member.php?4851-black-arrow) Bro & Zaheer (http://www.pakguns.com/member.php?2159-Zaheer) Bro

I have just 25,000 so what should I do? And what about Pak Made Clone?

black arrow
13-07-2012, 05:35 PM
black arrow (http://www.pakguns.com/member.php?4851-black-arrow) Bro & Zaheer (http://www.pakguns.com/member.php?2159-Zaheer) Bro

I have just 25,000 so what should I do? And what about Pak Made Clone?
Also suggest as Zaheer, either buy Chinese TT .30 bore, or, save for some more time then buy a decent 9mm. Don't go for clones.... there was a post I read today about a desi shotgun coming apart in a member's hand before he got to pop the 'cherry'.

I'm not sure whats latest price of Zastava M57 .30, its a good option as well but lies above 25k I think.

Zaheer
13-07-2012, 07:22 PM
Go for a Chinese 636 TT

sadatpk
14-07-2012, 02:38 AM
black arrow (http://www.pakguns.com/member.php?4851-black-arrow) Bro & Zaheer (http://www.pakguns.com/member.php?2159-Zaheer) Bro

I have just 25,000 so what should I do? And what about Pak Made Clone?
Chinese cal .30 norinco stamped is ur only option

Ahmad82
14-07-2012, 10:38 AM
Zoraki 925 9mm P.A.K. can we get in PAKISTAN and if we can how much is the price?

iffi
14-07-2012, 03:39 PM
Chinese cal .30 norinco stamped is ur only option

sadatpk (http://www.pakguns.com/member.php?6464-sadatpk) Bro will u please show me picture of Norinco Stamp and how can i check original and Pak Made Chinese TT?

Enigmatic Desires
15-07-2012, 04:21 AM
Also suggest as Zaheer, either buy Chinese TT .30 bore, or, save for some more time then buy a decent 9mm. Don't go for clones.... there was a post I read today about a desi shotgun coming apart in a member's hand before he got to pop the 'cherry'.

I'm not sure whats latest price of Zastava M57 .30, its a good option as well but lies above 25k I think.

That would be me Black Arrow. and the weapon was KAC (Khyber arms Company) "expert" brand. KAC are amonst the most well known branded manufectureres in Peshawar. Zeztava is waaay more then 25k I am afraid Iffi Bhai.. But a chinese TT NIB is right within your budget. Clones well if u are lucky u are lucky.. . But like me if U are unlucky then remember clones have no resale value whatsoever. If U biy a 20k clone u wont be able to recover your money while if u buy a chinese TT u will get most your money back if u choose to resale it.

Mawa
28-07-2012, 05:46 PM
there is a new lot in the market..i just got one, came with the original holster

Asif Ali
28-07-2012, 06:22 PM
@MAWA
Congratulations bro.
How much it costed to you and how you are sure that it is imported from Ukraine?

Mawa
28-07-2012, 07:02 PM
i have no idea, its been gifted to me, I know the importer personally. i guess whole sale was sold for Rs30000 and dealers are selling it for 40 to 45... i will sell this soon on whole sale rate too...

ACHILLES
28-07-2012, 07:04 PM
they are available for Rs. 27k. These are refurbished ones.

mirzaw
28-07-2012, 08:06 PM
there is a new lot in the market..i just got one, came with the original holster

Nice TT. I like your knife bro.. Congrats
pls post the holster pics as well

Avais
28-07-2012, 11:49 PM
Looks cool, Congrats for buying new TT

Navarone
29-07-2012, 12:22 PM
they are available for Rs. 27k. These are refurbished ones.

Amigo, have these refurbs hit our shores in big numbers? Are the barrels in decent shape? Thanks

Mawa
31-07-2012, 02:11 AM
thanks... I am not sure about refurbishment.. cause i did a field strip but didnt found any change... all numbers perfectly matched.

chohan
31-07-2012, 01:26 PM
@MAWA
very nice looking T.T

zahidkpk
12-08-2012, 06:02 AM
salam brothers.i have purchased new Russian tt33 @ 38k 3 months ago.i love this piece and its not refurbished.
http://www.pakguns.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=10247&d=1336345453
http://www.pakguns.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=10248&d=1336345584 (http://www.pakguns.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=10247&d=1336345453)
http://www.pakguns.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=10246&d=1336345275

Afzaal
12-08-2012, 09:34 AM
nice looking pistol zahid
congrats

zahidkpk
13-08-2012, 12:59 AM
thank u Afzaal bhai.God bless u.

ACHILLES
13-08-2012, 01:11 AM
Amigo, have these refurbs hit our shores in big numbers? Are the barrels in decent shape? Thanks

decent numbers and yes good shape. u hardly feel the difference.

bbiillaall
13-08-2012, 09:14 AM
salam brothers.i have purchased new Russian tt33 @ 38k 3 months ago.i love this piece and its not refurbished.


very nice bro and yes its original tt33.
excellent price.

Ahmad82
13-08-2012, 10:51 AM
Sir its New or used one?

salam brothers.i have purchased new Russian tt33 @ 38k 3 months ago.i love this piece and its not refurbished.
http://www.pakguns.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=10247&d=1336345453
(http://www.pakguns.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=10247&d=1336345453)http://www.pakguns.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=10248&d=1336345584
http://www.pakguns.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=10246&d=1336345275

Ameer
13-08-2012, 02:50 PM
salam brothers.i have purchased new Russian tt33 @ 38k 3 months ago.i love this piece and its not refurbished.
http://www.pakguns.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=10247&d=1336345453
(http://www.pakguns.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=10247&d=1336345453)http://www.pakguns.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=10248&d=1336345584
http://www.pakguns.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=10246&d=1336345275


Very good price for Russian TT, Congratulations. May i know the dealer's name.

zahidkpk
14-08-2012, 06:42 AM
Very good price for Russian TT, Congratulations. May i know the dealer's name.

Salam & thanks Ameer brother..i bought this pistol from UNITED ARMS GT ROAD PESHAWAR.And nowadays the price is 32k in peshawar.

zahidkpk
14-08-2012, 06:45 AM
Sir its New or used one?


Ahmad bhai its not used..actually it was in stock since 1939.which is recently imported.

zahidkpk
14-08-2012, 06:51 AM
very nice bro and yes its original tt33.
excellent price.

Thanks Bilal bhai God bless u.
here is 2 more pixs
http://www.pakguns.com/album.php?albumid=187&attachmentid=11922
http://www.pakguns.com/album.php?albumid=187&attachmentid=11923

Ameer
14-08-2012, 12:38 PM
Salam & thanks Ameer brother..i bought this pistol from UNITED ARMS GT ROAD PESHAWAR.And nowadays the price is 32k in peshawar.

I got it, thanks brother.

Enigmatic Desires
15-08-2012, 03:35 AM
1939.......On the eve of the "great patriotic War" (As the russians call the 2nd world war) Zahid bhai u r holding a peice of history in your hand...

zahidkpk
15-08-2012, 05:31 AM
1939.......On the eve of the "great patriotic War" (As the russians call the 2nd world war) Zahid bhai u r holding a peice of history in your hand...

bundle of thanks Enigmatic Desires.i like the way of your appreciation.thanks again

Syed
15-08-2012, 08:40 PM
@all , if any member want to buy this tt , ask dealer to show some 3,4 or 5 pieces, then select 1 of them
bcoz they r all differs in finish from 1 another . take my word as a tip brothers

Ameer
16-08-2012, 12:29 AM
@Zahidkpk, where is this united arms? is it in hashtnagri or near Gul Haji?

@Syed, Bro did u check them urselves and do the shopkeeper allow to disassemble the TTs.

zahidkpk
16-08-2012, 05:06 AM
@Ameer, GT ROAD HASHTNAGRI PESHAWAR
@Syed,yes u are right they have different finish from each other.actually in market there are 2 types of tt33 original and refurbished.but if some body own an old russian tt33 he can easily recognize between original and refurbished one and the price is also different about 3 to 6 k depending upon the dealer.

Ameer
18-08-2012, 11:15 PM
Thanks Zahidkpk

Syed
18-08-2012, 11:24 PM
@Ameer, GT ROAD HASHTNAGRI PESHAWAR
@Syed,yes u are right they have different finish from each other.actually in market there are 2 types of tt33 original and refurbished.but if some body own an old russian tt33 he can easily recognize between original and refurbished one and the price is also different about 3 to 6 k depending upon the dealer.
zahid brother, i think there is no new 1. they all r refurbished but some having good finish so dealers telling us that they r new 1.

azamali
19-08-2012, 04:32 AM
A lot of dealers in PESHAWER market has Russian made TT asking Price 35k to 40k, but these r not 100% original.I think it is recondition and damage parts replaced by good quality local parts.

Syed
19-08-2012, 05:20 AM
@Syed, Bro did u check them urselves and do the shopkeeper allow to disassemble the TTs.
yes brother i chkd them but dont know abt disassembling bcoz i never try for it. i went psh before ramazan to buy 3 of them. but when i chkd them i changed my mind . last night i asked from a dealer friend of mardan abt these tts he said he have some of them with good finishing. let me chk them i will let u know if these r good pieces

Ameer
19-08-2012, 09:38 AM
yes brother i chkd them but dont know abt disassembling bcoz i never try for it. i went psh before ramazan to buy 3 of them. but when i chkd them i changed my mind . last night i asked from a dealer friend of mardan abt these tts he said he have some of them with good finishing. let me chk them i will let u know if these r good pieces

i will stay in Peshawar for a week, planning to purchase it. I will wait for ur input.

kami
22-08-2012, 09:34 PM
Dear, MOI auctioned many lots of Russian tts recently I bought in very fine condition with original holster model 1938.

Ameer
22-08-2012, 11:17 PM
Dear, MOI auctioned many lots of Russian tts recently I bought in very fine condition with original holster model 1938.

Please share the price n dealers location.

kami
23-08-2012, 03:13 PM
Dear any one interested in tt originally Russian made are available nowadays in Peshawar , I bought model 1938 in very fine condition, these guns are not imported but auctioned by the govt of pak, easily available in 38 k upto 75k some of them are refurbished but one can easily found in original condition with no parts replaced,







Dagger is better then worthed gun if the gun is empty

Ameer
23-08-2012, 04:37 PM
Russian TTs are widely available in Peshawar market, at 30K (e out Holster). I checked a few piece but didn't find a decent one.

kami
25-08-2012, 02:24 AM
This is Yugoslavian made with safety, and there is no need to discuss the thick and thin brain, you people have more oppertunity to get education that's why ............






Dagger is better then worthed gun sometimes.

Syed
25-08-2012, 02:01 PM
@AMEER bhai , just returned from mardan, no good luck. they were same as peshawar ones

Syed
25-08-2012, 07:02 PM
@AMEER bro, the dealer called me again and said he brought some more pieces. he claimed they r good.
there adres INAYAT & SONS , PEER MUHAMMAD KHAN MARKET , BANK ROAD MARDAN if u want to visit

Ameer
25-08-2012, 10:40 PM
@Syed,

Thank you brother for taking the time out n searching it for me. Today in evening, i went out again to check on the different TTs, liked one piece e the Pak China Arms quoting 31K but later bought one at Fakhre-Alam at 28K.

So, AlhamdUllah at last i bought the Russian TT. Its 1952 made, will further check it at range.

Thank u Syed once again.

sadatpk
26-08-2012, 12:29 AM
a nice purchase,u will never regret br

Ameer
26-08-2012, 12:35 AM
a nice purchase,u will never regret br

Thank u bro, a TT is a durable handgun.

Afzaal
26-08-2012, 09:47 AM
@Syed,

Thank you brother for taking the time out n searching it for me. Today in evening, i went out again to check on the different TTs, liked one piece e the Pak China Arms quoting 31K but later bought one at Fakhre-Alam at 28K.

So, AlhamdUllah at last i bought the Russian TT. Its 1952 made, will further check it at range.

Thank u Syed once again.

congrats bro on having deadliest Tokarev

Ameer
26-08-2012, 09:50 AM
congrats bro on having deadliest Tokarev

Deadliest Tokarev, yeh. Thank you. I just hope it will work just fine, just 6th sense tampering me.

bbiillaall
26-08-2012, 02:16 PM
Congrats Ameer bro for Russian beauty.

Syed
26-08-2012, 06:51 PM
@Syed,

Thank you brother for taking the time out n searching it for me. Today in evening, i went out again to check on the different TTs, liked one piece e the Pak China Arms quoting 31K but later bought one at Fakhre-Alam at 28K.

So, AlhamdUllah at last i bought the Russian TT. Its 1952 made, will further check it at range.

Thank u Syed once again.
wellcome 24/7 brother and congrts

Aquarius
26-08-2012, 07:32 PM
Congrats Ameer brother on your Russian TT.. plz post some pictures at your convenience.

Ameer
26-08-2012, 09:44 PM
Thank you brothers (Aquarius n bbiillaall)

sadatpk
26-08-2012, 09:54 PM
Ameer br pls send us a detailed range report,so that we may discuss this hot beauty in a concrete way coming out from imagination,I expect this would be dead accurate gun as well in its proper price range

Ameer
26-08-2012, 10:06 PM
Ameer br pls send us a detailed range report,so that we may discuss this hot beauty in a concrete way coming out from imagination,I expect this would be dead accurate gun as well in its proper price range

I try it on this Saturday InshAllah (e ur prayers).

bbiillaall
27-08-2012, 05:06 PM
Thank you brothers (Aquarius n bbiillaall)

awaiting for pics, Ameer bro??

BTW, i bought 1949 model for nyself for 40k about 2 months back and for 33k (2 pcs) about 3 months back and for 35k (3 pcs) about 4 months back :)

mine one is for 40K and rest all were bought for friends :)

You hv got a very good price. really unbelievable.

Congrats again.

Nazim Sahib
27-08-2012, 08:20 PM
Congrats Ameer waiting eagerly for the pics!

Ameer
28-08-2012, 09:43 AM
awaiting for pics, Ameer bro??

BTW, i bought 1949 model for nyself for 40k about 2 months back and for 33k (2 pcs) about 3 months back and for 35k (3 pcs) about 4 months back :)

mine one is for 40K and rest all were bought for friends :)

You hv got a very good price. really unbelievable.

Congrats again.

Mine one is made in 1952 with thin lines serrations on slide, i liked it over thick checkering (personal choice). There were differents years manufactured handguns (from 1938-1952).

Ameer
28-08-2012, 09:44 AM
Congrats Ameer waiting eagerly for the pics!

InshAllah e in this week. Thankyou brother.

Afzaal
09-09-2012, 08:37 PM
is there any special thing to recognize the original Norinco 636 other than reputed dealer and fine marking on Pistol ?
dara guys are on its peak to make finest copies of Norinco ...

Enigmatic Desires
10-09-2012, 02:57 AM
The slides of locals are generaly smooth. while there is a slight break when u chamber the round of a Cheenee tee Tee

Afzaal
10-09-2012, 07:39 AM
The slides of locals are generaly smooth. while there is a slight break when u chamber the round of a Cheenee tee Tee

oh thats not a big sign to find the original
next time dara ppl would less file the slide to make this stoppage :(

Enigmatic Desires
11-09-2012, 02:36 AM
And then it will be virtually impossible to discern...If it is not been done already..

black arrow
11-09-2012, 09:48 AM
The slides of locals are generaly smooth. while there is a slight break when u chamber the round of a Cheenee tee Tee
Mine were smooth from day one! How else can I verify if they're original or Darra clone? It even has serials on individual parts...

black arrow
11-09-2012, 03:30 PM
*bump*... ^^ anyone?

Ameer
11-09-2012, 06:44 PM
The slides of locals are generaly smooth. while there is a slight break when u chamber the round of a Cheenee tee Tee

I agree e this point, as i have checked it for both chinese n russian.

Enigmatic Desires
12-09-2012, 01:32 AM
Mine were smooth from day one! How else can I verify if they're original or Darra clone? It even has serials on individual parts...

U got a chee nee with a smooth slide? Hmm from which dealer?

black arrow
12-09-2012, 09:41 AM
U got a chee nee with a smooth slide? Hmm from which dealer?
From Lucky star .... hmmm is it really necessary to put the label on the table? Lolz.

black arrow
12-09-2012, 09:44 AM
U got a chee nee with a smooth slide? Hmm from which dealer?
I had a friend look at it, he didn't find any problem with it. But how can I be sure?

black arrow
13-09-2012, 09:55 AM
Why did you inquire, may I ask?

Enigmatic Desires
14-09-2012, 03:32 AM
Why did you inquire, may I ask?

because sir, there is a 70% chance that u may have been cheated.

The original Norc TTs have a break in the slide when u pull em back. the locals are butter smooth. if yours is smooth.. well...

lemme know the name of the dealer. i wil review him and share the review here. And if its a fake....

black arrow
14-09-2012, 09:39 AM
because sir, there is a 70% chance that u may have been cheated.

The original Norc TTs have a break in the slide when u pull em back. the locals are butter smooth. if yours is smooth.. well...

lemme know the name of the dealer. i wil review him and share the review here. And if its a fake....
Good point - it was $.T.@.R Traders : Norinco 636. As a humble request, please don't disclose you connection with PG though.

Avais
14-09-2012, 10:08 AM
because sir, there is a 70% chance that u may have been cheated.

The original Norc TTs have a break in the slide when u pull em back. the locals are butter smooth. if yours is smooth.. well...

lemme know the name of the dealer. i wil review him and share the review here. And if its a fake....
Brother I have been told the same by Naveed brother. However recently I saw a TT in SS finish, Slide has a considerable break, but it bears the stamps "Made as China" Norinco?

black arrow
14-09-2012, 11:06 AM
As a side note, a friend recently purchased NIB CF-98; I got chance to experiment with its slide. It was just so hard, compared with mine. But maybe since its a different 'class' altogether, I have misconception about mine being smooth - does it make sense...?

It's not like I'm a professional and everyday I get to hold a tee tee in my hand - lolz. What do you guys suggest?

Enigmatic Desires
16-09-2012, 05:22 AM
As a side note, a friend recently purchased NIB CF-98; I got chance to experiment with its slide. It was just so hard, compared with mine. But maybe since its a different 'class' altogether, I have misconception about mine being smooth - does it make sense...?

It's not like I'm a professional and everyday I get to hold a tee tee in my hand - lolz. What do you guys suggest?

I know that dealer And I have reviewed him in my series of surveys. I think it was part 5 or 6. I wish you would have read the review before u went there.
BTW whats a CF 98 slide got to do with a TT?

black arrow
17-09-2012, 09:45 AM
I know that dealer And I have reviewed him in my series of surveys. I think it was part 5 or 6. I wish you would have read the review before u went there.
BTW whats a CF 98 slide got to do with a TT?
Actually I think I went there before your review was put here.


BTW whats a CF 98 slide got to do with a TT?
Just the hardness comparison - I really don't know how original Chinese slide compares with local copies; so I was basically comparing CF with .30; its like comparing oranges with apples, I know...

p.s. This CF I'm talking was also purchased IIRC from same dealer, but it looks okay...

black arrow
17-09-2012, 09:54 AM
I just read that part in review again:
(http://www.pakguns.com/showthread.php?9083-Lucky-Star-Continuation&highlight=)


Star Traders

Canik L100 and 120 for 55k each He claims that CF 98s don’t have decockers or rotating barrels. Needless to say he did not have any.
Chinese TT (Type 66) 22k
Legal support: H. O endorsement 1.5k. 144 permit 3k 3 months.
Feelings: Totally forgettable

Apart from possibly less informed, I think it cannot be judged if they are selling original stuff or clones, vs. some dealer(s) you mentioned elsewhere who were probably selling copies with labels of Russians...

So my original question still remains...

p.s. CF purchased from them has a decocker to my knowledge.

Enigmatic Desires
17-09-2012, 09:47 PM
All CFs even the worst 'C' copy local knock offs made in some cottage in DAK have decockers. And since the CF is by far and large the most popular imported 9mm around. Its inconceivable to believe that he has never seen any.

Ergo he lied. And if he can lie about one thing I assume he can lie about other things as well. hence the reason why I tried to give a verbatim feel to our conversation.

p.S i never visited him again. I don't like people who lie to me..

black arrow
18-09-2012, 09:18 AM
All CFs even the worst 'C' copy local knock offs made in some cottage in DAK have decockers. And since the CF is by far and large the most popular imported 9mm around. Its inconceivable to believe that he has never seen any.

Ergo he lied. And if he can lie about one thing I assume he can lie about other things as well. hence the reason why I tried to give a verbatim feel to our conversation.

p.S i never visited him again. I don't like people who lie to me..
That is heart drowning - now the only way left, to know for sure, is let some expert look at it. I wish I could do that anytime soon.

Enigmatic Desires
18-09-2012, 08:08 PM
That is heart drowning - now the only way left, to know for sure, is let some expert look at it. I wish I could do that anytime soon.

Presisely..Or may be hte chinese have made a few peices that dont have a break when u slide em back.

black arrow
19-09-2012, 08:57 AM
Presisely..Or may be hte chinese have made a few peices that dont have a break when u slide em back.
I'm really counting on that factor.

Enigmatic Desires
20-09-2012, 02:19 AM
I'm really counting on that factor.

Waisay Personaly I have never ever seen a Chee nee TT that does not have a break in it.

black arrow
20-09-2012, 08:49 AM
Waisay Personaly I have never ever seen a Chee nee TT that does not have a break in it.
How many rounds does it take to break in?

I'm thinking: a Chinese 'tested' with about a dozen rounds then handed over is better than NIB Darra...

black arrow
20-09-2012, 08:51 AM
Do Darra people clone all stuff like same quality box, same quality manual, same serials all over individual parts?

black arrow
20-09-2012, 09:00 AM
One more thing I'm thinking: If I can post different pics of box, gun, manual with my mobile camera (sorry no hi res camera here), is it possible to judge by looks only about its originality?

black arrow
20-09-2012, 03:37 PM
One more thing I'm thinking: If I can post different pics of box, gun, manual with my mobile camera (sorry no hi res camera here), is it possible to judge by looks only about its originality?
What can you or other experts say about this?

Enigmatic Desires
21-09-2012, 02:04 AM
How many rounds does it take to break in?

I'm thinking: a Chinese 'tested' with about a dozen rounds then handed over is better than NIB Darra...

No No i did not mean a 'break in' period. i meant when u pul back the slide there is a slight brek. U have to exert extra pressure to over come it. The locals are as smooth as butter.
As regards daara boxes an stuffl Well today i saw a Tarus 909 with rails that looked so freakin real it was scary! same box same manual same warrenty card even same plastic bag with the taurus logo. Even the control lever was smooth as butter.

black arrow
21-09-2012, 12:24 PM
No No i did not mean a 'break in' period. i meant when u pul back the slide there is a slight brek. U have to exert extra pressure to over come it. The locals are as smooth as butter.
As regards daara boxes an stuffl Well today i saw a Tarus 909 with rails that looked so freakin real it was scary! same box same manual same warrenty card even same plastic bag with the taurus logo. Even the control lever was smooth as butter.
Ah so that's break! lolz! I really had misconception about it. Well there is definitely that break with mine as well! So I hope I'm safe now...

Thanks for clearing this misconception!

About the Taurus clone, how did you figure out it was a clone? The dealer told you or from your experience?

Enigmatic Desires
22-09-2012, 03:44 AM
Ah so that's break! lolz! I really had misconception about it. Well there is definitely that break with mine as well! So I hope I'm safe now...

Thanks for clearing this misconception!

About the Taurus clone, how did you figure out it was a clone? The dealer told you or from your experience?

Yes yours is probably original buddy. No not experience. Without field stripping i could not have have figured it out. Unless they were side by side and perhaps not even then. The dealer told me himself.

Afzaal
22-09-2012, 07:20 AM
how you guys rate 636 chinese TT ?

Ameer
22-09-2012, 09:29 AM
how you guys rate 636 chinese TT ?

Sir, IMHO no need to be rated. TT is a TT, whether its Russian, Serbian or Chinese. All 3 are time tested.

I have local TT 20 yrs old (bought it at 3.5k), still its used as a WORKHORSE.

Afzaal
22-09-2012, 11:43 AM
Sir, IMHO no need to be rated. TT is a TT, whether its Russian, Serbian or Chinese. All 3 are time tested.

I have local TT 20 yrs old (bought it at 3.5k), still its used as a WORKHORSE.

bro i am counting on deadliest TT i know russian is the best of the best but i am totally noob to recognize the original one and don't wana drain handsome amount on Local or refurbished one thats why i am planing to have one Chinese TT

black arrow
22-09-2012, 11:57 AM
Yes yours is probably original buddy. No not experience. Without field stripping i could not have have figured it out. Unless they were side by side and perhaps not even then. The dealer told me himself.
Many thanks for the continuous replies and helping me become confident in mine!!

And wow about the Taurus clone!

black arrow
22-09-2012, 11:59 AM
bro i am counting on deadliest TT i know russian is the best of the best but i am totally noob to recognize the original one and don't wana drain handsome amount on Local or refurbished one thats why i am planing to have one Chinese TT
Yes Sir, Chinese is definitely value for money...

Enigmatic Desires
23-09-2012, 01:44 AM
A Chee nee Tee tee. is the cheapest NIB Imported pistol u can find. And its good quality as well. Over all definite value for money.

saad-dlr
23-09-2012, 07:31 PM
Saw an original Russian TT-33 at Balochistan Arms, asking 26k, It had some wear on it. From the looks of it, it seemed original as all the markings were where they are supposed to be and looked genuine. Upon inquiring how had he acquired it, the dealer said that it is a captured gun used during the Afghan War, that is brought in from Peshawar.
I compared it to a chinese TT (asking 21k) and saw that the Russian tokarev had indeed a better finish, rifling and overall fit and finish.
So if any of you guys wanna check it out, can do so at Balochistan Arms, Saddar. Karachi.

Enigmatic Desires
24-09-2012, 02:13 AM
Saw an original Russian TT-33 at Balochistan Arms, asking 26k, It had some wear on it. From the looks of it, it seemed original as all the markings were where they are supposed to be and looked genuine. Upon inquiring how had he acquired it, the dealer said that it is a captured gun used during the Afghan War, that is brought in from Peshawar.
I compared it to a chinese TT (asking 21k) and saw that the Russian tokarev had indeed a better finish, rifling and overall fit and finish.
So if any of you guys wanna check it out, can do so at Balochistan Arms, Saddar. Karachi.

Hmm I think I should pop over at Aftab sahib's and do a little pictorial.

black arrow
24-09-2012, 10:27 AM
Saw an original Russian TT-33 at Balochistan Arms, asking 26k, It had some wear on it. From the looks of it, it seemed original as all the markings were where they are supposed to be and looked genuine. Upon inquiring how had he acquired it, the dealer said that it is a captured gun used during the Afghan War, that is brought in from Peshawar.
I compared it to a chinese TT (asking 21k) and saw that the Russian tokarev had indeed a better finish, rifling and overall fit and finish.
So if any of you guys wanna check it out, can do so at Balochistan Arms, Saddar. Karachi.
I wish Ameer does some Russian vs Chinese comparison anytime soon:http://www.pakguns.com/showthread.php?9684-Tokarev-TT-33-Pics-n-Range-Report
Then we'll know about performance as well...