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Crazy Shooter
05-11-2010, 07:22 AM
Yesterday I went to my dealer asking him for Zastava M 57 for my cousin I have one and after seeing that my cousin wanted to have one well when I reached my dealer and asked for M 57 he said that I have to wait for few days because M 57 is short with him he had one but that was slightly used and my cousin wanted to have NIB but he suggested me to buy military version of chinese tokarev I asked what is the military version ? and he showed me a chinese TT without any box just one rod spare magzine wrapped in brown paper and gun was all covered in grease the serial number of gun starts with 310 which according to my knowledge is the serial number which used to come in early 90s and mid 90s there is nothing written on it except the serial number and 3 chinese digits/words whatever I know original winamx TT has these markings and the price of original winamx is approx 40K but original winamx also comes in a box of light blue and white col ( cardboard box ) the cleaning rod is without any doubt chinese origin because I have another winamax TT with thumb safety in my collection the same rod came with it and I have one old norinco 636 the same rod was with that TT as well but we also know that pakistanis have mastered at least this particular weapon this is the first time that I am confused about the originality of some TT atleast :( I am posting pics and I want all the members with knowledge about tokarev to comment I am sorry about the quality of pictures but brothers this is urgent and I want you to comment on it one more thing for your relaxation that I have not pait a single penny yet for this gun :D but I had to let go one of my trusted local made 14 shot TT because of license , one more thing that every part of pistol has the serial number which is very very rare in norinco nodels magzines and barrel has the last three digits of serial number you will see in pics the number on frame and slide which is edited and you will also see that 99 is written on the frame on the trigger guard A is punched and on the rear sight 5 is punched no more writings on this gun I would like our dear 12 guage , Naveen and Spaypanther to comment because they all have winamx TT I know and our very respected Gilani sir also I know Gilani brother have also interest in winamax and please if anyone can elaborate this military version ? never heard this word before for chinese TT , one more thing because the quality of pics is not so good I can tell that this handgun has the identical markings in chinese with the one 12 guage brother own or belongs to his uncle
http://s3.postimage.org/QPv40.jpg (http://postimage.org/image/2z8wf7yh0/)

http://s3.postimage.org/QPF2A.jpg (http://postimage.org/image/2z931dcg4/)

http://s3.postimage.org/QPMx0.jpg (http://postimage.org/image/2z97zzdxg/)

Crazy Shooter
05-11-2010, 07:25 AM
I have not seen such a quality barrel in any TT before like this one has and finishing on its internal parts are marvelous so smooth if someone needs I can field strip it and take pics

Crazy Shooter
05-11-2010, 07:29 AM
one more thing the old winamax TT I have as I mentioned earlier has a thumb safety that model was according to my knowledge exported to Korea and for Korean requirements winamx manufactured a very few such winamax TT I dnt know how one from korea came to pakistan thats almost 20 years or 21 years old now

Starfish
05-11-2010, 09:48 AM
I have not seen such a quality barrel in any TT before like this one has and finishing on its internal parts are marvelous so smooth if someone needs I can field strip it and take pics
Please do. I would love to see the innards of this one.

Crazy Shooter
05-11-2010, 11:11 AM
I have not seen such a quality barrel in any TT before like this one has and finishing on its internal parts are marvelous so smooth if someone needs I can field strip it and take pics
Please do. I would love to see the innards of this one.

Here you go brother :) please more expert on tokarev are welcome here I have to pay for this gun tom I would love all of you to comment about it regardless of anything you can say whatever you feel like one more thing I want to tell you that the dealer is trust worthy and he had the norinco TT yesterday he asked 20 K for norinco one and this one is obviously more expensive
http://s4.postimage.org/MvxGJ.jpg (http://postimage.org/image/2qhcgx8ro/)

http://s4.postimage.org/MvAaS.jpg (http://postimage.org/image/2qhe4gl9g/)

http://s4.postimage.org/MvCG0.jpg (http://postimage.org/image/2qhfrzxr8/)

http://s4.postimage.org/MvHFi.jpg (http://postimage.org/image/2qhj32mqs/)

http://s4.postimage.org/MvMEA.jpg (http://postimage.org/image/2qhme5bqc/)

http://s4.postimage.org/MvP8J.jpg (http://postimage.org/image/2qho1oo84/)

Crazy Shooter
05-11-2010, 11:14 AM
here are few more
http://s4.postimage.org/MvZ7i.jpg (http://postimage.org/image/2qhunu278/)

http://s4.postimage.org/Mw0Cr.jpg (http://postimage.org/image/2qhwbdep0/)

http://s4.postimage.org/Mw5BJ.jpg (http://postimage.org/image/2qhzmg3ok/)

http://s4.postimage.org/MwaB0.jpg (http://postimage.org/image/2qi2xiso4/)

http://s4.postimage.org/Mwd59.jpg (http://postimage.org/image/2qi4l255w/)

http://s4.postimage.org/Mwi4r.jpg (http://postimage.org/image/2qi7w4u5g/)

http://s4.postimage.org/Mwn3J.jpg (http://postimage.org/image/2qib77j50/)

Crazy Shooter
05-11-2010, 11:17 AM
Please elaborate what is military version ? I have never heard this word before for 7.62x25 mm all I know was the russian tokarev being official side arm of army which was replaced with Makarovs Winamax is the military version ? or just an export quality for some european countries ?

Crazy Shooter
05-11-2010, 01:52 PM
:( so many senior members online and still nothing about my handgun ? waiting for your comments brothers I think after all these pics everything is clear ? or still its not ?

zeeshan.pk
05-11-2010, 09:27 PM
V hard u to confirm whether this is Chinese or clone from pics,U pls get it checked by some expert

wasifali89
05-11-2010, 09:45 PM
does blank firing a TT have any bad after affects ?

i have a local made clone of a chinese TT and i am in a habbit of doing it
need advice on it......

Ilyas
05-11-2010, 09:49 PM
Heard about these, some two months ago. Only one dealer had these in Pesh.
Trust the dealer who had these and therefore can confirm that these are original.

Regarding clarification of military version and performance, perhaps Achilles can
enlighten us a bit more on this :)

takenleader
05-11-2010, 09:51 PM
Asak brothers

I have heard many rumours about them . The general comment is that double stack TT or ak clone pistol are not reliable. i have talked to many dealers , they say that the ones present in the market are not reliable but a made to order can be very very good with a dangar barrel . and proper heat treatment etc . I just want to know 1st hand info . I am 7.62*25 mm afficianado and want to but a hi cap tt or ak style pisto . i al ready have a winamx tt and just want to add aonther one into my collection. comments from user of such pistols will be highly appreciated

regards

takenleader
05-11-2010, 09:56 PM
anypone listening hello

wasifali89
05-11-2010, 10:04 PM
as far as the user comments ive heard.............. the mag gives issues............... and also i have a local TT with a straight 10 shot... its a made to order but i literally dont like the mags performance once im putting in more than 7

takenleader
05-11-2010, 10:06 PM
very true i had a 10 shot local mag , had the same problems with that mag in the winamax

bestmagician83
06-11-2010, 12:26 AM
plz xplain the meaning of blank firing

takenleader
06-11-2010, 01:50 AM
any comments plz . still awaiting

Crazy Shooter
06-11-2010, 06:18 AM
Heard about these, some two months ago. Only one dealer had these in Pesh.
Trust the dealer who had these and therefore can confirm that these are original.

Regarding clarification of military version and performance, perhaps Achilles can
enlighten us a bit more on this :)

Ilyas bro I know because I never heard about these before what I know is that only 50 made it to pakistan and its one of them what was the asking price in peshawar ?

Faisji
06-11-2010, 08:12 AM
Do you mean firing it without a bullet i.e "dry firing"?

Silent killerr
06-11-2010, 08:32 AM
i think he means firing bullet without projectile, just for bang and flash

Arsenal763
06-11-2010, 02:00 PM
as far as the user comments ive heard.............. the mag gives issues............... and also i have a local TT with a straight 10 shot... its a made to order but i literally dont like the mags performance once im putting in more than 7

Arsenal763
06-11-2010, 02:02 PM
in my humble opinion.. Wasif is absolutely right.. you will get problem even on mag made on an order.

SPAYPANTHER
06-11-2010, 05:28 PM
he is talking about dry firing...

and yes it will affect on firing pin life

Usama
06-11-2010, 10:38 PM
Not sure about TT but modern Pistols are not effected by dry firing :rolleyes:

wasifali89
06-11-2010, 11:02 PM
yes i actually meant DRY FIRING (still i dont know the terminology)
i mean i just load the gun and release its trigger when im doing nothing
just as a practice and WITHOUT BULLETS

Crazy Shooter
07-11-2010, 12:36 AM
there are few other threads about TT as well I dont know why just this drying firing was mixed with mine ? mine was a urgent issue thats why I didnt ask it in the cafe tees bore or any other thread I started the new thread just because of the imp of time and now everyone here is talking about dry firing :|

AK47
07-11-2010, 12:56 AM
Lols! CS bro, relieve yourself, just go take it dear, the report in from Ilyas bro confirms something nice. :)

Vik
07-11-2010, 03:33 AM
nice thread Coolbox.

jonnyc
07-11-2010, 05:22 AM
This has become a very confusing thread! I hope I will not add to the confusion.

"Dry Firing" any .22 pistol can easily damage the firing pin, as a rimfire strikes to the side and the firing pin can hit the edge of the chamber. A small amount of dry firing is OK with most other pistols, but if done to excess it can damage the firing pin, any firing pin spring, and any retainer that holds the firing pin in place.

On the other TT question, I believe the Chinese still issue a military version of the Type 54 to some troops and definitely to some armed police. The military version would have minimal markings, in Chinese, and no safety. I have heard reports that the Zastava M57 is still an issue pistol, but I am not sure about that.

Crazy Shooter
07-11-2010, 08:48 AM
Lols! CS bro, relieve yourself, just go take it dear, the report in from Ilyas bro confirms something nice. :)

AK brother I know Ilyas bro confirmed something nice but I wanted to know that my piece is the same Ilyas bro was talking about ? I was waiting for ACHILIES bro to comment on it but this thread has become so confusing that when I opened it last night even I myself was a lil confused that whats going on here because there are so many other blank firing threads this dry firing thread could have been moved to blank firing thread I didn't ask my questions in cafe tees bore because I wanted urgent response anyways :)

Crazy Shooter
07-11-2010, 08:50 AM
This has become a very confusing thread! I hope I will not add to the confusion.

"Dry Firing" any .22 pistol can easily damage the firing pin, as a rimfire strikes to the side and the firing pin can hit the edge of the chamber. A small amount of dry firing is OK with most other pistols, but if done to excess it can damage the firing pin, any firing pin spring, and any retainer that holds the firing pin in place.

On the other TT question, I believe the Chinese still issue a military version of the Type 54 to some troops and definitely to some armed police. The military version would have minimal markings, in Chinese, and no safety. I have heard reports that the Zastava M57 is still an issue pistol, but I am not sure about that.

Jonnyc can you please tell me more details my tt has no marking except the serial number and 3 chinese symbols

wasifali89
07-11-2010, 12:08 PM
did some of our threads merge into 1 ?
even im confused now

Crazy Shooter
07-11-2010, 02:27 PM
did some of our threads merge into 1 ?
even im confused now

well I started this thread for confirmation of original winamax and to know about the avlblity of military version of tokarev and got it mixed with the blank firing one

wasifali89
07-11-2010, 02:31 PM
did some of our threads merge into 1 ?
even im confused now

well I started this thread for confirmation of original winamax and to know about the avlblity of military version of tokarev and got it mixed with the blank firing one

that was my thread .......... and i really dont know where did all the answers go and etc etc

Lol

Crazy Shooter
07-11-2010, 04:39 PM
Finally I paid for the above mentioned gun and got it checked from various gun enthusiasts but I was disappointed that no senior member commented on my handgun and it was also disappointing that my thread was merged in dry firing one because that confused many members here and they didnt comment :( anyways its a original winamax tt far better thn the M 57 Zastava and jonnyc was right some of the units in chinese army and police are still using these military versions this is a miliyary version tokarev the other one I own is the export quality winamax

Vik
07-11-2010, 05:11 PM
Dear CS bro
I think most of the experts and seniors don't use TT extensively. Maybe that's why they didn't answer.
According to what I have read on this forum Spaypanther has got extensive knowledge of
30bore.

Crazy Shooter
07-11-2010, 05:36 PM
Dear CS bro
I think most of the experts and seniors don't use TT extensively. Maybe that's why they didn't answer.
According to what I have read on this forum Spaypanther has got extensive knowledge of
30bore.

Vik bro if you look in the start when I started this thread which was later merged into dry firing I asked spaypanther and 12 guage to comment of my tt because both of them have the winamax tt I also asked Gilani bro to share some knowledge about the winamax tt because he also likes winamax in all 7.62x25 mm avlble in market anyways that was just a brotherly SHIKWA I am fine now
cheers :)

jonnyc
07-11-2010, 06:58 PM
Crazy Shooter, I actually posted an answer to yours earlier, but it somehow disappeared.
Anyway, the TT as you described it sounds exactly like my Chinese Type 54 (which is what the Chinese letters on top say) that was captured in Vietnam. It is one of my favorite historical pistols, as it made its way from China to North Vietnam, and then down the Ho Chi Minh Trail to South Vietnam. No telling what it went through to eventually get to me. Perhaps yours could also tell interesting stories. How did it get to your dealer, direct import from China or from another Pakistani?

Crazy Shooter
07-11-2010, 08:46 PM
Crazy Shooter, I actually posted an answer to yours earlier, but it somehow disappeared.
Anyway, the TT as you described it sounds exactly like my Chinese Type 54 (which is what the Chinese letters on top say) that was captured in Vietnam. It is one of my favorite historical pistols, as it made its way from China to North Vietnam, and then down the Ho Chi Minh Trail to South Vietnam. No telling what it went through to eventually get to me. Perhaps yours could also tell interesting stories. How did it get to your dealer, direct import from China or from another Pakistani?

Jonnyc according to my dealer only 50 of these made it to pakistan well about interesting stories I can't tell any :) I fired some 200 rounds today without a single FTF or FTE ammo used was chinese and serbian FMJ and hollow points ( just 30 ) and yes my dealer said he imported these from china :) I am posting few more pics
http://s4.postimage.org/xmqJ.jpg (http://postimage.org/image/12pbblk4/)

http://s4.postimage.org/xrq0.jpg (http://postimage.org/image/12smeajo/)

http://s4.postimage.org/xtV9.jpg (http://postimage.org/image/12u9xn1g/)

http://s4.postimage.org/xyUr.jpg (http://postimage.org/image/12xl0c10/)

http://s4.postimage.org/xGnS.jpg (http://postimage.org/image/132jmdic/)

http://s4.postimage.org/xLn9.jpg (http://postimage.org/image/135up2hw/)

Crazy Shooter
07-11-2010, 08:49 PM
http://s4.postimage.org/yUIi.jpg (http://postimage.org/image/14hta4tg/)

http://s4.postimage.org/z1bJ.jpg (http://postimage.org/image/14mrw6as/)

jonnyc
08-11-2010, 12:09 AM
If they were direct imports they were probably police surplus, or the factory added them into the export order when they didn't have enough of the pretty "export" TTs to fill the box. In either case, a very nice pistol.

Crazy Shooter
08-11-2010, 12:17 AM
If they were direct imports they were probably police surplus, or the factory added them into the export order when they didn't have enough of the pretty "export" TTs to fill the box. In either case, a very nice pistol.

Thank you Jonnyc and I think pics are much clear now are you sure you own the same pistol ? I know a chinese guy and I was thinking to talk to him to translate those chinese language for me but now you told me its type 54 :)

jonnyc
08-11-2010, 05:52 AM
Mine looks like it's been through three wars, but yes, the same thing.

Crazy Shooter
08-11-2010, 11:19 AM
Mine looks like it's been through three wars, but yes, the same thing.

would love to see pics

jonnyc
09-11-2010, 01:30 AM
Crazy, here you go:
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r46/jonnycpics/misc002.jpg
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r46/jonnycpics/misc003.jpg
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r46/jonnycpics/misc.jpg

Crazy Shooter
09-11-2010, 01:47 AM
wow I have exactly the same pistol thanks for sharing pics jonnyc can you please upload a pic of the back of your rear sight ? is there any marking there ? like some digit ? 5 is punched on mine

drag80
09-11-2010, 03:10 PM
I recently found out that a 30 bore bullet is almost as powerful as 357 mag. I was reading ballistics of different caliber and found that ballistics of 30 bore is very near to 357 mag.

Now i understand y everyone has a TT.

Crazy Shooter
21-10-2011, 06:44 AM
anyone seen a chinese type 54 in black barrel ? its in market and asking price is higher thn any other chinese varient

Trajan
21-10-2011, 06:05 PM
I recently found out that a 30 bore bullet is almost as powerful as 357 mag. I was reading ballistics of different caliber and found that ballistics of 30 bore is very near to 357 mag.

Now i understand y everyone has a TT.

@ Drag80: bro, can you kindly quote where you saw these ballistics? I have heard of the .30 bore (7.62x25mm) rounds achieve between 1300 -1450 fps but with a 85 grain bullet. The .357 magnum round (7.62x33mm) has almost the same diameter as the .30 bore bullet, but has a longer cartridge (more powder) behind it resulting it far higher velocities from heavier bullets. For example the .357 mag bullet having 158grain bullet achieves 1485 fps. Hence the .357 can weigh almost twice as much and still have the same velocity as the TT bullet, which should impart considerably more damage to the target.

I am learning new things everyday and would appreciate the reference? thanks

low*dog
22-10-2011, 09:25 AM
@ Drag80: bro, can you kindly quote where you saw these ballistics? I have heard of the .30 bore (7.62x25mm) rounds achieve between 1300 -1450 fps but with a 85 grain bullet. The .357 magnum round (7.62x33mm) has almost the same diameter as the .30 bore bullet, but has a longer cartridge (more powder) behind it resulting it far higher velocities from heavier bullets. For example the .357 mag bullet having 158grain bullet achieves 1485 fps. Hence the .357 can weigh almost twice as much and still have the same velocity as the TT bullet, which should impact considerably more damage to the target.

I am learning new things everyday and would appreciate the reference? thanks Defining power of a cartridge is very difficult. Some judge by the bullets diameter, others bullet velocity,still others by energy derived for bullet diameter and velocity factors combined. For myself, I have compromised on all these factors. I use the 9mm, not because it is the most powerful, but because it has sufficent bullet diameter, velocity, and energy to stop an opponent with muliple hits.I chose it because I wish to reduce the chance of killing an innocent bystander, reduce the change of over penetration(and again killing an innocent),and because hanguns are available in sizes ease to conceal.I will close the a quote from and older wise man."The only use for a handgun is to fight your way to a rifle"

American Lockpicker
22-10-2011, 10:41 AM
one more thing the old winamax TT I have as I mentioned earlier has a thumb safety that model was according to my knowledge exported to Korea and for Korean requirements winamx manufactured a very few such winamax TT I dnt know how one from korea came to pakistan thats almost 20 years or 21 years old now

TTs exported to the US also had a thumb safety.

Asiftt
24-10-2011, 02:23 PM
TTs exported to the US also had a thumb safety.

I wonder do people buy TTs in the US, if yes they must hv named it Asian 1911s.......

American Lockpicker
24-10-2011, 10:56 PM
Its not really a popular gun here. We used to get Norincos like 20 years ago and theres various eastern bloc ones being sold as surplus from time to time. The only new one for sale is Zavasta M88 which I've never seen for sale anywhere but online.

Wolf Hunter
26-10-2011, 02:06 AM
Came across with such a funny looking desi TT, I am sure you 'll enjoy seeing it.
http://i53.tinypic.com/ixwp38.jpg

jonnyc
26-10-2011, 04:56 AM
I have to disagree, I think TTs are very popular in the US. We can easily find Polish, Yugoslav, Romanian, Russian, and Chinese versions, and occasionally a Hungarian or even North Korean will turn up. In addition, CZ52s are also popular. Good commercial and military surplus ammo isn't too hard to find.

Wolf hunter, that is a great pistol! I especially like the truth in advertising. I'm surprised it doesn't say MADE IN GERMANY or something.

American Lockpicker
26-10-2011, 07:54 AM
I've seen a North Korean one lately(would love to have one...) and even a West German commerical clone a few months back.

ACHILLES
26-10-2011, 09:11 AM
keep posting such nice pics and info.

Uzair baloch
20-11-2011, 07:49 PM
can anyone tell me where i can find a compensator for my .30 in karachi ?

Zaheer
20-11-2011, 09:07 PM
Wajkar Uzair baloch I have never heard of any compensator for TT.

Hashu
27-11-2011, 10:51 PM
hi I bougt Zastava 57m...SS...but a friend suspect it's a copy...from where can I get it checkted in Islamabad

anasimp00
31-12-2011, 04:06 PM
I guess so.

Naveed_pk
31-12-2011, 04:08 PM
What you gusessed ??? Please elaborate

saqi.gunlover
31-12-2011, 04:30 PM
anyone seen a chinese type 54 in black barrel ? its in market and asking price is higher thn any other chinese varient

Bro

I have black barrel Chinese type 54 its is a very limited addition with small serrations on slide and having 66 marking upside grips only two Chinese words written on aiming position meaning of Chinese China Middle Kingdom barrel inside is chrome,locking system is in hammer no external lock in it

Here you go
70667067

Above one is mine i purchased last month

bbiillaall
03-01-2012, 03:35 PM
AOA PG members,
Here is the new Norinco 30 bore in 2 shades which i bought last week.
http://i1119.photobucket.com/albums/k621/bbiillaall/IMG-20111229-00573-1.jpg
http://i1119.photobucket.com/albums/k621/bbiillaall/IMG-20111229-00579-1.jpg
http://i1119.photobucket.com/albums/k621/bbiillaall/IMG-20111229-00585.jpg
http://i1119.photobucket.com/albums/k621/bbiillaall/IMG-20111229-00583.jpg
http://i1119.photobucket.com/albums/k621/bbiillaall/IMG-20111229-00582.jpg

Shortly, will update video of its shooting :)

Mian Jee
04-01-2012, 11:22 PM
AOA PG members,
Here is the new Norinco 30 bore in 2 shades which i bought last week.
Shortly, will update video of its shooting :)

Sir Jee, this is not NORINCO,
It's a 9k desi made,
These are called interchange,
can you share the price ?

jonnyc
05-01-2012, 03:44 AM
I would have to agree.
"Circle 11" is a Polish arms factory code number, and M20 is the code that the Chinese put on pistols they did not want to be identified as Chines. You would not find an M20 marked pistol with Chinese characters on it.

bbiillaall
05-01-2012, 03:24 PM
Dear Jonnyc and Mian Jee bros, you really make me shaky on this :( can u pls check from ur sources more info about this 30 bore?? U hv the pictures and i bought it from PARA for 23K :( He has in black color also with same cheracters on it and that was for 20K but i like this 2 tone and bought it.

Malik Kamran Qadir
05-01-2012, 03:32 PM
@Mian jee
M20 is a famous Chinese 30 bore pistol?

Naveed_pk
05-01-2012, 03:33 PM
Yes Agreed M20 is written on most of the cinese pistols , @ Bbiillaall bro dont worry you got a good reliable weapon .

Regards

Mian Jee
05-01-2012, 03:45 PM
@Mian jee
M20 is a famous Chinese 30 bore pistol?


Yes Agreed M20 is written on most of the cinese pistols , @ Bbiillaall bro dont worry you got a good reliable weapon .

Regards

A big sorry to disagree,
Bet me on it, Come to Sargodha, be my guest & i can get you the same thing in 9k.

Naveed_pk
05-01-2012, 03:48 PM
@ Mian Jee i am not saying that m20 is not written on any local pistol . When our local experts are making clone then why not they copy the markings too. I have personally seen this TT at different shops and different prices and there is pretty much difference in local clone and chinese.

Regards

bbiillaall
05-01-2012, 03:54 PM
@ Mian jee bro, seems Naveed bro is right, pls look for original and clone coz there is hell of difference between 9K and 23K price and no dealer in market can sell with this much price difference. Also can u check the packing of this 9k gun coz my gun was properly packed and tagged and even had gun number and model nuber stickers pasted on outer box.
BTW, i am still shaky :(

Mian Jee
05-01-2012, 04:05 PM
@ Mian jee bro, seems Naveed bro is right, pls look for original and clone coz there is hell of difference between 9K and 23K price and no dealer in market can sell with this much price difference. Also can u check the packing of this 9k gun coz my gun was properly packed and tagged and even had gun number and model nuber stickers pasted on outer box.
BTW, i am still shaky :(

Even if you are right,which you are not (really feeling sorry for you),

The original chinese TT is @18.5k, why you paid 23 for this ?

saqi.gunlover
05-01-2012, 04:20 PM
Bilal for experts marking is not just the way to guess whether it is clone or original
Judgement can b done only by physical inspection of the gun
Quality of original outside,hammer,hammer strike place,firing pin and the most imp is barrel
I used to have a local one before i purchased Chinese tt the person who judge the gun is you your self if u used to have local one before u purchased Chinese u can judge by yourself the difference and if u have both same time difference is there between clone and original.
Original one catch no rust but local one are rusty even if they are placed oiled before a week.
According to my knowledge your one is original Chinese tt so get relax now a days there is not one specific marking on Chinese tt some are with only with two chinese digits and number only having 66 marking and some are with BG marking Caliber 30 Made in China 11 marking in circle and 636 marking after some space in weapon number line both are original the only difference is the make year and model both are original Chinese tt's no need to wory!
Dont have any doubt in your mind! Because no doubt your one is a lovely piece among Chinese tt's.
Enjoy Happy & Safe Shooting!

saqi.gunlover
05-01-2012, 04:23 PM
Mian jee original Chinese TT price varies from 23 to 28k nowadays

Full Black with Black Barrel,Black with Silver Barrel,Silver throughout and Two Tone Silver Black.

saqi.gunlover
05-01-2012, 04:29 PM
Bro's

Question of M20 marking let me solve it

M20 doesnt mean anything else it is the Chinese TT which used to have lock in hammer.
When this technology was introduced the pistols designed in that time and of same operation are named as M20. My old tt was local one and was clone of norinco M20 same had the hammer lock. According to my opinion ever Chinese TT having hammer safety lock is M20 whether it is written on it or not.

PAKIPOWER
05-01-2012, 07:11 PM
congrts biilaal bro,relax it is original chinese .nothing to worry about the marking cause different lots have different marking but do keep in mind, new chinese tt's are not as good as the old, price you paid is littel on high side but still ok.first time i am seeing chiness tt marking starts with diget 5

Mian Jee
05-01-2012, 11:19 PM
Dear Bilal,
I won't debate any more,

I know the PARA people are very honest
but you must show your TT to some other dealer or good gunsmith
because you must have what you paid for.
if it's a NORINCO than it should have the stamp.
Latest import of TT's model 636 have eight digit serial No's starting with 31xxxxxx.

7299

Dear Bilal,
I don't wan'a prove any thing here but i really care about my friends,
so i think that you should not be cheated.
Here in Sargodha we have a very large variety of TT's at very good price's,
Be my guest any day & i'll show you the market.

4311446
06-01-2012, 12:07 AM
I would have to agree.
"Circle 11" is a Polish arms factory code number, and M20 is the code that the Chinese put on pistols they did not want to be identified as Chines. You would not find an M20 marked pistol with Chinese characters on it.
Donot need any other proof. Thanks Jonnyc

jonnyc
06-01-2012, 07:13 AM
bbiillaall, can you post a good clear picture of the two Chinese symbols below the M20. Perhaps they will clear this up. I have a 100% Chinese T54 Tokarev that was captured in Vietnam in the 1960s. I would like to compare your markings to mine.

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r46/jonnycpics/T54.jpg

saqi.gunlover
06-01-2012, 08:00 AM
Johnyc bro your one contains old markings,Nowadays chinese tt comes with two chinese markings i.e 中国 meaning of chinese in english is China Middle Kingdom

Huzaifa
06-01-2012, 09:38 AM
Dear Jonnyc and Mian Jee bros, you really make me shaky on this :( can u pls check from ur sources more info about this 30 bore?? U hv the pictures and i bought it from PARA for 23K :( He has in black color also with same cheracters on it and that was for 20K but i like this 2 tone and bought it.

Bilal do not be shaky. You have got very good Chinese .30 gun in this price range. It is available in Karachi in 26k. You are right i also saw this gun in three colours (Full Black, Black & White & White).

iaminhas76
06-01-2012, 10:02 AM
I had also purchased one chinese TT from Al Haris Karachi in Silver color but it didn't have any chinese letters except Made in China.
I purchase this TT almost 8 years before and result is excellent.

jonnyc
06-01-2012, 03:15 PM
I know that the characters are different, but one can tell a lot from the style of the characters that are there; what they say, how they were marked, were they done by a native Chinese, etc.

Khalil
06-01-2012, 03:40 PM
dear saqi.gunlover. the meaning of the chinease characters are given in Bing transl. as under

Translation China
Dictionary
China; Sino-: 中国特色的社会主义道路 road of socialism with Chinese characteristics


◇中国大百科全书 Encyclopaedia Sinica; 中国国籍 Chinese nationality; 中国国情 China's actual conditions; 中国海 The China sea; 中国画 traditional Chinese painting; 中国话 the Chinese language;

saqi.gunlover
06-01-2012, 03:47 PM
dear saqi.gunlover. the meaning of the chinease characters are given in Bing transl. as under

Translation China
Dictionary
China; Sino-: 中国特色的社会主义道路 road of socialism with Chinese characteristics


◇中国大百科全书 Encyclopaedia Sinica; 中国国籍 Chinese nationality; 中国国情 China's actual conditions; 中国海 The China sea; 中国画 traditional Chinese painting; 中国话 the Chinese language;

Khali bro

talking about below one have a look below two Chinese characters
7311

Nazim Sahib
06-01-2012, 04:50 PM
@Bbillall your .30 has a marking on one of the pics that says BG
I bought a similar marked pistol about 10 years ago for 6000rs.
Its a Local company that makes very very high quality .30 pistols.I have owned it for 10 years and it has not jammed once.Its a very high quality handgun that i carried for a long time.The only issue i had with mine was that after 8 or so years the firing pin vanished one fine day!and the same more or less happened with the rear sight.Mine was also double toned.

Mian Jee
07-01-2012, 12:00 AM
These are called interchange,


@Bbillall your .30 has a marking on one of the pics that says BG
I bought a similar marked pistol about 10 years ago for 6000rs.
Its a Local company that makes very very high quality .30 pistols.I have owned it for 10 years and it has not jammed once.Its a very high quality handgun that i carried for a long time.The only issue i had with mine was that after 8 or so years the firing pin vanished one fine day!and the same more or less happened with the rear sight.Mine was also double toned.

Yes Sir, These pistol are very well made,
You will need years of experience to judge them,
As i have said before these are called interchange pistols in the market,
you can even interchange any part of the original chinese TT with it's.
My most friends are arms dealer and we have checked it many times.
Available in (Full Black, Black & White & Full White) also (Full Black with Black Barrel).
Now these pistols are retailing at 8k to 10k.

bbiillaall
07-01-2012, 10:52 AM
Dear Bilal,
I won't debate any more,

I know the PARA people are very honest
but you must show your TT to some other dealer or good gunsmith
because you must have what you paid for.
if it's a NORINCO than it should have the stamp.
Latest import of TT's model 636 have eight digit serial No's starting with 31xxxxxx.

7299

Dear Bilal,
I don't wan'a prove any thing here but i really care about my friends,
so i think that you should not be cheated.
Here in Sargodha we have a very large variety of TT's at very good price's,
Be my guest any day & i'll show you the market.

Mian Jee bro, i am really impressed with ur knowledge about TT's and will definatelyget my pistol checked from another dealer. Thanks for all help.

@ Nazim sahib, thanks for the experince sharing.
@ Huzaifa, thanks bro for the kind words.
@ Jonnyc bro, will post clear picture in a day or two.
@ Pakipower, thanks bro.
@ Saqi gunlover, thanks bro and it really clreared mi mind, thanks again

kkhan8
22-01-2012, 09:18 PM
Has any member ever seen a revolver/wheel gun in .30 cal. If so where and what make.
Regards.

Soldier
22-01-2012, 10:07 PM
@bbiillaall
Congratulations Bro on ur purchase . :)

bbiillaall
22-01-2012, 11:04 PM
@bbiillaall
Congratulations Bro on ur purchase . :)

Thanks Soldier bro :)

BTW, i hv got checked my pistol and its original chinees Norinco. The BG engraved on pistol stands for BAZ GUL who imported this lot from Norinco China and hv engraved his name on all pistols.

Thanks to Mian Jee for putting me in this research and finally i hv reached to the correct answer. :)

jonnyc
23-01-2012, 01:59 AM
Ask him what the "11" and "M20" stand for.

sadatpk
23-01-2012, 08:42 PM
para always sell original items,do not worry

bbiillaall
23-01-2012, 08:51 PM
para always sell original items,do not worry
Thanks bro, i knew it :)

bbiillaall
23-01-2012, 08:52 PM
Ask him what the "11" and "M20" stand for.

sure bro, i will and let u know :)

Soldier
24-01-2012, 10:22 PM
Thanks Soldier bro :)

BTW, i hv got checked my pistol and its original chinees Norinco. The BG engraved on pistol stands for BAZ GUL who imported this lot from Norinco China and hv engraved his name on all pistols.

Thanks to Mian Jee for putting me in this research and finally i hv reached to the correct answer. :)
Good to see this. :)
Once again Congratulations Bro. :)

saqi.gunlover
25-01-2012, 08:15 AM
Thanks Soldier bro :)

BTW, i hv got checked my pistol and its original chinees Norinco. The BG engraved on pistol stands for BAZ GUL who imported this lot from Norinco China and hv engraved his name on all pistols.

Thanks to Mian Jee for putting me in this research and finally i hv reached to the correct answer. :)

Bilal its corret answer same answer i got from my dealer Congratulations again have a happy & safe shooting!

Mig
26-01-2012, 08:38 PM
Well.. I think We cannot judge anything if its original or fake by looking at the markings. Because, when they copy from original, surely they Copy the markings as well. Whether its M11 or 20 or BG. Whatever. !
It all depends how much someone is familiar to see the material and manufacturing quality between the original and the copies to find out the imposter!

saqi.gunlover
26-01-2012, 08:39 PM
Well.. I think We cannot judge anything if its original or fake by looking at the markings. Because, when they copy from original, surely they Copy the markings as well. Whether its M11 or 20 or BG. Whatever. !
It all depends how much someone is familiar to see the material and manufacturing quality between the original and the copies to find out the imposter!

True! I agree!

bbiillaall
26-01-2012, 10:05 PM
Bilal its corret answer same answer i got from my dealer Congratulations again have a happy & safe shooting!

Thanks bro

Mig
29-01-2012, 12:19 AM
the marking debate is quite going on so thought to share of my old TT with some slight different markings from all discussed here. Lets put it on scale !

Pardon my photography as I took them using my webcam. And hell with the reflective image so most of them are mirrored :P

http://i914.photobucket.com/albums/ac350/mig_gunner/Picture001.jpg

Its my father's TT actually he bought it in 1985. He hardly fired more than 10 shots as it was a everyday carry with him and since 2005 I carry this everyday carry and since I am not much a handgun target shooter so I also fired just above 100 from this piece of tank without any problem.

And Lions dont wash mouth ! haha, So this Piece of tank is in state of war since coming out of box because I never disassembled it :) Ya but sometime rain washes the lion of it always pass through superficial service only.

Now MARKING Debate ! oh ya thats why I tried my ugly photography

First of ALL, just written, CAL .30 Mauser Made in China by Norinco
No norinco Stamp

http://i914.photobucket.com/albums/ac350/mig_gunner/Picture004.jpg

A Closer Look

http://i914.photobucket.com/albums/ac350/mig_gunner/Picture002.jpg

With Safety ( its Jam, need a flush cleaning maybe but I am too lazy )

http://i914.photobucket.com/albums/ac350/mig_gunner/Picture002.jpg

Above the right grip is a Triangle written 66 inside. A logo of Norince varient. Saw this on Chinese Aks also (ssh, this does not make this PB ok,, )

http://i914.photobucket.com/albums/ac350/mig_gunner/Picture005.jpg

No marking of any kind on left side. except one on trigger guard

http://i914.photobucket.com/albums/ac350/mig_gunner/Picture006.jpg

Its the Trigger guard marking. A written, found in mostly all TTs. And this A is also limping from one side hahah ! also B on the right side of trigger guard.

http://i914.photobucket.com/albums/ac350/mig_gunner/Picture007.jpg

NO chinese markings like middle kingdom etc, nothing flat clean from top. Just a small 5 is printed on backside of rear sight.

http://i914.photobucket.com/albums/ac350/mig_gunner/Picture008.jpg

Serial number starts with 20xxxx ( 6 digits ).

Huzaifa
29-01-2012, 10:36 AM
MIG Brother you have very nice & old Chinese TT. I saw this at Luck Star Market & they ask for 30k It is expensive than 636 .30 bore Chinese. Thanks for sharing.

Mian Jee
29-01-2012, 03:12 PM
Here is mine,these are the only markings,please tell me what you think,

8015

8016

Mig
29-01-2012, 07:36 PM
Here is mine,these are the only markings,please tell me what you think,



I think its AWESOME ! Mian Jee you are a .30 caliber GURU, so what we can think other then learning and more learning from you.

Your piece have all the modern discussed markings, The Norinco Stamp and M20 and Chinese characters. Tell me what do you think of the TT which I shared above. It has no chinese characters, neither norinco stamp nor M20.

@Huzaifa, Thanks for appreciating. as I said from markings I dont believe a guns originality so from the structure and quality I think its not a copy well but I am not good with Handguns !.

bbiillaall
29-01-2012, 08:21 PM
Mian Jee bro, different import lots hv different markings BUT these all r original chinees TT so no worries and happy shooting :)

saqi.gunlover
29-01-2012, 08:50 PM
Mian Jee bro, different import lots hv different markings BUT these all r original chinees TT so no worries and happy shooting :)


i agree with u bilal

Mian Jee
29-01-2012, 09:06 PM
Mian Jee bro, different import lots hv different markings BUT these all r original chinees TT so no worries and happy shooting :)


i agree with u bilal

You are right,but give me some days,
I have ordered few INTERCHANGE TT's,
and you won't believe your eyes,bet me.
I know the games & I know the score.

bbiillaall
29-01-2012, 09:11 PM
You are right,but give me some days,
I have ordered few INTERCHANGE TT's,
and you won't believe your eyes,bet me.
I know the games & I know the score.

very right bro.
i hv also seen the interchangeable TT's and its not easy to identify the difference between original and local interchangeable untill u feel both in hand at the same time.
I checked it in detail and hv compared both while holding at the same time and than knew that mine one is original :)
Thanks

Soldier
29-01-2012, 10:54 PM
very right bro.
i hv also seen the interchangeable TT's and its not easy to identify the difference between original and local interchangeable untill u feel both in hand at the same time.
I checked it in detail and hv compared both while holding at the same time and than knew that mine one is original :)
Thanks
Agreed with u Brother.

mehranbiz
30-01-2012, 12:14 AM
Which local brand is good in local TT
What is the current price of zastava M57

mehranbiz
30-01-2012, 12:15 AM
Is there have any local made 18 round TT

Mian Jee
30-01-2012, 12:51 AM
I think its AWESOME ! Mian Jee you are a .30 caliber GURU, so what we can think other then learning and more learning from you.

Your piece have all the modern discussed markings, The Norinco Stamp and M20 and Chinese characters. Tell me what do you think of the TT which I shared above. It has no chinese characters, neither norinco stamp nor M20.

Thank you so much Sir,

Your words are honor for me but i am just a student & want to share my side of story,
I am not a big fan of TT's but i have some with me & few more to come soon,
I'll also share that with you but step by step,bit by bit.
My many friends are arm's dealers & importers, so i know the inside stories,

I hav'nt seen like your's yet but i'll find about it soon,
why don't you tell us about that one,it will be fun, han!!!

Mig
30-01-2012, 01:39 AM
Thank you so much Sir,

Your words are honor for me but i am just a student & want to share my side of story,
I am not a big fan of TT's but i have some with me & few more to come soon,
I'll also share that with you but step by step,bit by bit.
My many friends are arm's dealers & importers, so i know the inside stories,

I hav'nt seen like your's yet but i'll find about it soon,
why don't you tell us about that one,it will be fun, han!!!

I am not myself a die-hard fan of TT but yes. I love every kind of gun and ammo so no distinguishing:). Yes but its quite a budget and reliable pistol so its always a preference for students like me ! apart from inherited Collections!!! ( no French i wanna add hahaha )

Regarding this one then hmm, I shared all what I knew , now rest is left for others to find out specially you. I think its Norinco because maybe its OLD haha, or because maybe I trusted on it on very hard conditions without fear. Though I dont like handguns very much but still anyone who say still carries them because they are the most practical ones to carry. I usually have this and my Remington 1911 ( both license on dad's name still i carry them with just retainer authority with BULK OF AMMO ). My personal and inherited things are all in many places so right now only this TT is with me in handgun. In handgun caliber there is no match in my choice other then .45. But I also need more ammo capacity. So just waiting to get a CZ999 by saving some k's :P

Apart from everything, GUN n AMMO is my CRAZE hahaha SO the same passion we all have here.

mehranbiz
30-01-2012, 10:41 PM
7.62x25 cal is my favourate due to ammunation price and easily availability of ammunation in every part of Pakistan
The minus point of .30 caliber is only low capacity magazine and the pushup plate and upper end walls of magazines shaped changed after frequently use of magazines (filling or doing empty)
What is the exact reason of low capacity magazines for .30 caliber handguns are more reliable then 14 shots magazines, or shape of round is the reason
Why the manufacturer don't like 9mm high capacity magazines where they use PTFE or TEFLON plastic type bush instead plate and thick hard polished metal sheet to manufacture high capacity magazine

Rizshu
01-02-2012, 12:29 PM
Here is mine,these are the only markings,please tell me what you think,

8015

8016


Mian Jee,

Mine is also 636, which i have bought in August last year. plz check the link for photos. everyone in my friend circle appriciated the purchase.

http://www.pakguns.com/showthread.php?568-What-have-you-bought-today/page355

jonnyc
02-02-2012, 12:51 AM
mehranbiz,
I have to agree, the 7.62/.30 TT cartridge is my favorite, but more to collect than to shoot, although I really do like to shoot my Chinese T54, Yugo M57, and Soviet TT33. There is no other pistol cartridge that sounds as "manly", except maybe the .45 ACP. In my cartridge collection, I have over 1000 different TT rounds, and about 100 different boxes and packets. That is why I'm always interested to see the cartridges, headstamps, and boxes of 7.62/.30 Bore that your guys seem to have available in Pakistan, imported and local made.

kf7mjf
19-02-2012, 08:00 AM
So out of perverse curiosity, how did the TT become such a common and popular pistol in Pakistan? I have heard it called to Pakistan what the 1911a1 is to the United States.

Nazim Sahib
19-02-2012, 10:28 AM
So out of perverse curiosity, how did the TT become such a common and popular pistol in Pakistan? I have heard it called to Pakistan what the 1911a1 is to the United States.

Thats a good question.The Tokarev is a very powerfull handgun.A while back the only handguns around were either .32 S and W Long revolvers or .32ACP pistols.So naturally the TT was a desert eagle compared to these two tiny handguns that people were into.Then our local industry started making them and everyone wanted one,it became the thing to have,everyone wanted one and the people who were still using .32 handguns were considered inexperienced ameteurs(well some people thought like that)
Looking back i can understand why we were obsessed with the Tokerav.Its a very very powerfull handgun,its simple to operate and readily available.There isnt a gun store that wouldnt have several TT along with alot of variety in .30 ammo.Ameteurs and experts alike are fond of it.Weather a bussinesman carrying for self defence,a police officer carrying his on duty weapon or a criminal prowling the streets,all will be carrying a Tokerav TT33.Hope this gives an idea.

kf7mjf
19-02-2012, 10:46 AM
It does, thank you. I am working on carrying my Zastava TT as a primary weapon, and as it comes with a 1911 sear blocking safety, I can actually carry it cocked and locked. As soon as I can get my hands on some hollowpoint ammo, it will become my new carry piece. I love the slim profile and how it feels in my hands.

Nazim Sahib
19-02-2012, 11:23 AM
i`ve carried it for ages but i wouldnt really advise carrying it cocked with the hammer back.I carry it with a round in chamber and hammer foreward in safe position.

kf7mjf
19-02-2012, 11:32 AM
Nazim, I don't think many of the Zastavas in Pakistan have safeties installed? In the US they were required by law to have one installed, and Zastava did a 1911 sear blocking style safety, which I think greatly changes the dynamics on carry.

jonnyc
20-02-2012, 03:12 AM
The Soviet suggested carry mode for the TT is with a loaded chamber and the hammer at half-cock. This is considered safer than having the hammer rest on the firing pin.
kf7mjf, the safeties on M57s in the US were installed as an after-thought, and I would not trust it enough to carry the pistol C&L. Many people have had safety-related functioning issues with their M57s, and I wouldn't even trust it as a carry piece until I had 300-400 trouble-free rounds through the gun.

Faisji
20-02-2012, 09:02 AM
The Soviet suggested carry mode for the TT is with a loaded chamber and the hammer at half-cock. This is considered safer than having the hammer rest on the firing pin.
kf7mjf, the safeties on M57s in the US were installed as an after-thought, and I would not trust it enough to carry the pistol C&L. Many people have had safety-related functioning issues with their M57s, and I wouldn't even trust it as a carry piece until I had 300-400 trouble-free rounds through the gun.

On the M57 found in Pakistan(these are new production not army surplus ones) i have found that the half-cock is a very effective safety.

In a highly unsceintific experiment on a M57 with 5k rounds through it took 5 blows from a 2 Lb hammer to dislodge, forcing it into the pin

About 300 palm strikes to hammer by 7 different people failed to sent the hammer on half-cock into the pin .

Nazim Sahib
20-02-2012, 10:49 AM
On the M57 found in Pakistan(these are new production not army surplus ones) i have found that the half-cock is a very effective safety.

In a highly unsceintific experiment on a M57 with 5k rounds through it took 5 blows from a 2 Lb hammer to dislodge, forcing it into the pin

About 300 palm strikes to hammer by 7 different people failed to sent the hammer on half-cock into the pin .

It is an effective safety no doubt.I dont feel very comfortable but it is safe.Thanks for the share of info.

Nazim Sahib
20-02-2012, 10:54 AM
Nazim, I don't think many of the Zastavas in Pakistan have safeties installed? In the US they were required by law to have one installed, and Zastava did a 1911 sear blocking style safety, which I think greatly changes the dynamics on carry.

No the Zastavas or any others here dont have safety.I saw some Tokerav being made by Badar arms(A firearms manufactere) who had safeties on theres.They claimed they were exporting to the US not sure if they were honest or not but they said that was the reason for putting a safety on there handguns.

kf7mjf
22-02-2012, 07:17 AM
In reply to the several recent replies... the Zastava US import safety is a rather sophisticated and professionally installed safety that I believe was installed by Zastava themselves as opposed to contractors for the importer. After examining mine, I am satisfied that it in fact functions as a proper safety and that the gun is in fact safe enough to carry cocked and locked. As for the Badar Arms guns, I have not heard or seen of any in the United States, but would like to see some of the Pakistani guns offered over here just for the variety alone. I had a Romanian TT for a while, and was satisfied with the half cock safety.

ajmal virk
22-02-2012, 10:26 AM
Now due overproduction of TT in Pakistan and many manufacturers are involved problem is with quality of handgun and ammo it has become really difficult to recognise a good .30 becuase in self defence as we villagers have some inherited family problems this thing matters a lot i keep two of these at time to avoid any problem, although booth performs well just i want to know from senoirs who is the best TT manufacturer in Pakistan and abroad.

taha
22-02-2012, 10:28 AM
In reply to the several recent replies... the Zastava US import safety is a rather sophisticated and professionally installed safety that I believe was installed by Zastava themselves as opposed to contractors for the importer. After examining mine, I am satisfied that it in fact functions as a proper safety and that the gun is in fact safe enough to carry cocked and locked. As for the Badar Arms guns, I have not heard or seen of any in the United States, but would like to see some of the Pakistani guns offered over here just for the variety alone. I had a Romanian TT for a while, and was satisfied with the half cock safety.

So the Zastava safety is different from half-cocked safety (the one you have)? Is it like the side switch thing (sorry don't know exact term)?

kf7mjf
22-02-2012, 10:37 AM
Taha, the Zastava I have, has a 1911 style safety installed on it. So aside from the traditional TT half cock safety, this also has a second "real" safety on it.

http://gunningtx.files.wordpress.com/2011/11/picture-027.jpg

http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj237/71usmc/IMG_3528.jpg

(please note this is not my gun, but are otherwise identical to mine.)

US law requires any imported semi auto handgun to have a safety on it, and do not treat the half cock as a safety. Many TT's have come in with very low quality trigger blocking safeties that may or may not stay engaged. The Zastava safety though is the finest one ever installed on an imported TT, and works quite well.

taha
22-02-2012, 10:40 AM
Thanks! Thats informative. <gulp>

kf7mjf
22-02-2012, 10:43 AM
No problem, I am appreciative of the real world information on the use of TT's which I find here. On US gun forums, TT's are treated as curiosities and much effort is given to explain how they should not be carried or used as a primary weapon, usually based on various prejudices or misunderstandings of the system. To say nothing of the fact, that many shooters have been raised with the notion a handgun should have multiple safety devices on it.

Nazim Sahib
22-02-2012, 03:03 PM
Now due overproduction of TT in Pakistan and many manufacturers are involved problem is with quality of handgun and ammo it has become really difficult to recognise a good .30 becuase in self defence as we villagers have some inherited family problems this thing matters a lot i keep two of these at time to avoid any problem, although booth performs well just i want to know from senoirs who is the best TT manufacturer in Pakistan and abroad.

Ajmal i am sorry to hear about your family problems,I would advise you carry a Chinese TT if you are in fact in need of a SD weapon.If you cant get one then there are many companies selling good quality TTs.Khyberarms,Peshawar arms and a few other notable companies manufacture reasonable quality TTs.Also when using local TTs keep them very clean and keep an eye on the Magazines and firing pin.Also use it after use to make sure its in good working order.I have used local TT all my life and some have been excellent.

Nazim Sahib
22-02-2012, 03:21 PM
No problem, I am appreciative of the real world information on the use of TT's which I find here. On US gun forums, TT's are treated as curiosities and much effort is given to explain how they should not be carried or used as a primary weapon, usually based on various prejudices or misunderstandings of the system. To say nothing of the fact, that many shooters have been raised with the notion a handgun should have multiple safety devices on it.

Nice to find someone who admires the TT.How did you come across one?I mean initially?
In the US people tend to not be exposed to them at all.

ajmal virk
22-02-2012, 05:11 PM
Thanks Nazim sb i take care of them properly i practise them on every sunday when i go to my village one is 7 years old still ok another is new almost 7 months booth prform very well .But you know reliability is problem with desi weapons somtimes there is ejection problem with old one but never misfire.Please note old one is from Peshawer arms.

jonnyc
22-02-2012, 06:17 PM
On the contrary, TTs in many flavors are available in the US, and they are very popular. The CZ52 is also very widely distributed here. Many got here during the Vietnam War, and we have also gotten them from China, Poland, Romania, Russia, as well as the Yugo M57s.
Kf7mjf, if you do a bit of research, I think you will find that there have been many problems associated with the safeties added to the Yugo M57s. They often require a bit of work to make them function properly. Many shooters have simply removed them to make their pistols reliable.

Birdshooter007
22-02-2012, 06:45 PM
@ajmal virk

My friendly advice is to sell off both of these, and buy a Original NORINCO TT or a ZASTAVA M57.

ajmal virk
22-02-2012, 07:28 PM
How much this Zastava M57 would cost Ch. Bro

Birdshooter007
22-02-2012, 07:31 PM
Around 30k, Norinco TT for around 20k. But my vote goes to the Zastava TT.
Here's a nice review of the M57 by Chief,
http://www.pakguns.com/content.php?290-Target-Shooting-the-TT-%28Zastava-M57%29

ajmal virk
22-02-2012, 07:39 PM
i have seen one Zastava with my dealer but i was in doubt about its orgionalty ok i will ask him.

Mian Jee
22-02-2012, 07:43 PM
Zastava M57 will cost you more than 38k,

if you are ready to pay 38k than go for CF98,

otherwise buy a Norinco 636 TT for 19k & a lot of ammo with remaining amount.

ajmal virk
22-02-2012, 07:45 PM
Thanks Main sb i already have a lot of ammo if sell both of my TT i think i can purchase Norinco TT in 19000.

Nazim Sahib
22-02-2012, 09:06 PM
Ajmal second hand local guns dont fetch a good price.Go over your budget and decide.I had said earliar that a Chinese TT would be great.BUT if you fire your guns EVERY sunday or so and havent yet seen a problem for about 7 years thats a great thing.I would think your local guns are excellent.I have myself carried a TT for about 9 years,never had jammed once and only misfired due to bad local ammo i used once.Its still in great condition and i had only recently stopped carrying after getting a Russian Makarov a year back.
In my humble oppinion try getting a Chinese TT,there cheap and as good as Serbian ones.

taha
23-02-2012, 08:51 AM
Hmm.... 19k for Norinco 636. Thats a great deal ... from where? Recent price for that exact piece from a dealer was 20k. Looks like it is a good time since prices are down.

BTW I've heard 636 is the best in Chinese TT?

Birdshooter007
23-02-2012, 12:12 PM
Hmm.... 19k for Norinco 636. Thats a great deal ... from where? Recent price for that exact piece from a dealer was 20k. Looks like it is a good time since prices are down.

BTW I've heard 636 is the best in Chinese TT?
19k in LHE.

taha
23-02-2012, 01:21 PM
Thanks... what about this:

BTW I've heard 636 is the best in Chinese TT?

Birdshooter007
23-02-2012, 02:31 PM
I don't know.

zeeshan1981
06-06-2012, 09:52 PM
Need help! if someone have TT 636 kindly upload pix..

black arrow
07-06-2012, 11:35 AM
Need help! if someone have TT 636 kindly upload pix..
Please see post no. 45, same thread. It shows three pics of model 66- I guess they look alike.

zeeshan1981
07-06-2012, 01:26 PM
Black Arrow, thanks i am asking about China TT 636. any member have this pistol please share the pictures or post link for reference. please guide me

black arrow
07-06-2012, 02:42 PM
Black Arrow, thanks i am asking about China TT 636. any member have this pistol please share the pictures or post link for reference. please guide me
I know, but I think they look similar. Maybe the internals are different - I'm not sure.

Crony
07-06-2012, 03:39 PM
A fundamental question. Don't mind guys. Why do we say TT? TT stands for what??

black arrow
07-06-2012, 04:35 PM
A fundamental question. Don't mind guys. Why do we say TT? TT stands for what??
Its called after TT-33, or Tula Tokarev

Crony
07-06-2012, 04:42 PM
Its called after TT-33, or Tula Tokarev


Thank you very much Sir.

black arrow
07-06-2012, 04:42 PM
Thank you very much Sir.
My pleasure!

bbiillaall
07-06-2012, 07:21 PM
Black Arrow, thanks i am asking about China TT 636. any member have this pistol please share the pictures or post link for reference. please guide me

this is Chinees Norinco TT-636
http://i1119.photobucket.com/albums/k621/bbiillaall/IMG-20111229-00579.jpg

http://i1119.photobucket.com/albums/k621/bbiillaall/IMG-20111229-00578.jpg

and this is original Russian TT-33, 1952 model
http://i1119.photobucket.com/albums/k621/bbiillaall/4-4.jpg


and here r both together :)
http://i1119.photobucket.com/albums/k621/bbiillaall/5-4.jpg

zeeshan1981
07-06-2012, 07:45 PM
Bilal sb, thanks for your reply...:)

bbiillaall
07-06-2012, 07:56 PM
Bilal sb, thanks for your reply...:)U r welcome bro :)

Avais
07-06-2012, 08:10 PM
bbiillaall brother needs your recommendations for the best 30 bore.

bbiillaall
07-06-2012, 08:47 PM
bbiillaall brother needs your recommendations for the best 30 bore.Avais Bhai , I hv used Zastava, Norinco 636 and Tokarev 1952 model and all r the best. My personal favorite is Norinco 636 which I do carry all the time.If u can get original Tokarev TT-33 than nothing is better than this otherwise go for Norinco or Zastava and u will not regret it.

Enigmatic Desires
07-06-2012, 10:22 PM
Its called after TT-33, or Tula Tokarev

Tula Tokarav: Designed by Comrade Feador Tokarav and manufactuered at the Tula Arsenal. Adoped by the Red Army in 1933. Mostly given to Soviet Officers. Replaced by the Red army with the Makarov in 1952.

Avais
08-06-2012, 08:21 AM
Avais Bhai , I hv used Zastava, Norinco 636 and Tokarev 1952 model and all r the best. My personal favorite is Norinco 636 which I do carry all the time.If u can get original Tokarev TT-33 than nothing is better than this otherwise go for Norinco or Zastava and u will not regret it.
Thanks bbiillaall brother, I will try to search for Tokarev TT-33.

ajmal virk
08-06-2012, 08:50 AM
TT is simple,slim,smart,cute ,affordable etc as compared to richman handguns.

black arrow
08-06-2012, 10:14 AM
TT is simple,slim,smart,cute ,affordable etc as compared to richman handguns.
How nice! You can say that again...
+1

bbiillaall
08-06-2012, 12:27 PM
TT is simple,slim,smart,cute ,affordable etc as compared to richman handguns.

plus accurate and lethal and hv big bang as well :)
best weapon for CC and SD.

Enigmatic Desires
08-06-2012, 02:43 PM
TT is simple,slim,smart,cute ,affordable etc as compared to richman handguns.

Simple yes, slim yes, affordable yes.. but Cute?????????

Denovo87
08-06-2012, 03:52 PM
Simple yes, slim yes, affordable yes.. but Cute?????????

So a TT looks like an aged Khusra to you ED bro ;)

black arrow
08-06-2012, 03:54 PM
Simple yes, slim yes, affordable yes.. but Cute?????????
Sounds like we're discussing pets... and for enthusiasts they are!

Mig
08-06-2012, 04:47 PM
So a TT looks like an aged Khusra to you ED bro ;)

hhahahahahahhah !!

Avais
08-06-2012, 07:06 PM
So a TT looks like an aged Khusra to you ED bro ;)
Dont worry we are also looking for this. Hahahaaaaa

sadatpk
08-06-2012, 07:25 PM
Thanks bbiillaall brother, I will try to search for Tokarev TT-33.

this is available in miltan br

Denovo87
08-06-2012, 07:46 PM
this is available in miltan br

Where exactly? i mean shop.

Avais
08-06-2012, 08:31 PM
this is available in miltan br
What and where is miltan br?

Birdshooter007
08-06-2012, 08:34 PM
What and where is miltan br?
I think he miss-spelled MULTAN and wrote mIltan Lolz.

And br is.... I think he made a short form of 'brother' :confused:

Avais
08-06-2012, 08:48 PM
I think he miss-spelled MULTAN and wrote mIltan Lolz.

And br is.... I think he made a short form of 'brother' :confused:
Oh thanks.

Enigmatic Desires
08-06-2012, 10:58 PM
So a TT looks like an aged Khusra to you ED bro ;)

Nope more like John Rambo.. I know there are people out there who find him 'cute cute cuuute' ;) ;) :P

bbiillaall
08-06-2012, 11:41 PM
this is available in miltan br

and for how much ????

can u upload the pics pls????

sadatpk
09-06-2012, 09:01 PM
and for how much ????

can u upload the pics pls????
sir I just try to find pics from web page of majeedsons, TT33 made in USSR is available at Majeed sons Multan, condition wise that was excellent but the asking price is 45k toooooooooo high for cal 30 pistol

sadatpk
09-06-2012, 09:06 PM
BBillal sir u r senior,u can manage good rates of this gun for us as well ,when I saw TT33s some months ago there ,i amazed to see that,that is really a tank

sadatpk
09-06-2012, 09:24 PM
10833
sir BBillal as in accordance with ur orders i uploaded pic from Fb page of Majeed sons multan

bbiillaall
11-06-2012, 10:26 PM
sir I just try to find pics from web page of majeedsons, TT33 made in USSR is available at Majeed sons Multan, condition wise that was excellent but the asking price is 45k toooooooooo high for cal 30 pistol

thats a reasonable price for tt33. u can negotiate it to the maximum. Its available in Lahore for 40k price.


BBillal sir u r senior,u can manage good rates of this gun for us as well ,when I saw TT33s some months ago there ,i amazed to see that,that is really a tank

yes its a tank and fun to shoot. I really enjoy shooting with my tt33. Plus its damn accurate :)


10833
sir BBillal as in accordance with ur orders i uploaded pic from Fb page of Majeed sons multan

picture quality is not good so cant see properly. i just wanted to see the markings on it. Anyways, thanks for getting me the picture :)

AsifKhan762
13-06-2012, 04:46 PM
19k in LHE.

chouhdary sahab plz tell me from where i can get it in lahore around 19k. (Norinco BG 636)

bbiillaall
14-06-2012, 11:30 AM
chouhdary sahab plz tell me from where i can get it in lahore around 19k. (Norinco BG 636)

Is it 2 tone???

mirzaw
14-06-2012, 12:27 PM
chouhdary sahab plz tell me from where i can get it in lahore around 19k. (Norinco BG 636)

+1 pls tell us the dealer who quoted 19k in Lahore.

AsifKhan762
15-06-2012, 08:55 AM
Is it 2 tone???
not at all bbiillaall bro actually i want to purchaze it. one of the dealer quoted me 24
k.

bbiillaall
15-06-2012, 01:11 PM
not at all bbiillaall bro actually i want to purchaze it. one of the dealer quoted me 24
k.

yes, this is the market price. i was also shocked with 19k price.

rmishaq
01-07-2012, 12:17 AM
@Bbiillaall Boss you are the resident TT expert so I'm hoping you can help me on this. How much should a NIB M57 cost?

naeemarmspk
01-07-2012, 01:02 AM
ModEdit:

Please read buying/selling rules; in breif you are not allowed to post anything for sale. Please reffrain posting such offers.

rmishaq
01-07-2012, 01:07 AM
Dear Brother, """""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""
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Naeem I think you need some form of approval from the Mods before you can post a for-sale ad.

bbiillaall
01-07-2012, 01:08 PM
@Bbiillaall Boss you are the resident TT expert so I'm hoping you can help me on this. How much should a NIB M57 cost?Its about 40-45 K.Bro, I am not TT expert BUT just love this beauty :)

rmishaq
01-07-2012, 05:07 PM
Its about 40-45 K.Bro, I am not TT expert BUT just love this beauty :)

Thanks bro. Love makes an expert so that makes you an expert in my book :)

bbiillaall
02-07-2012, 12:42 PM
Thanks bro. Love makes an expert so that makes you an expert in my book :)Thjanks for the compliments bro.I'm honoured :)

asimazan
02-07-2012, 01:15 PM
sir are hollow bullets of .30 available in lahore

bbiillaall
02-07-2012, 01:26 PM
sir are hollow bullets of .30 available in lahoreYes its available in Neela Gumbad market. I'm not sure about price but will be around 65-75 per pc.

sadatpk
07-07-2012, 06:32 PM
Yes its available in Neela Gumbad market. I'm not sure about price but will be around 65-75 per pc.
pls tell dealer name sir g from whom we can get .30 JHP

rmishaq
10-07-2012, 11:48 PM
pls tell dealer name sir g from whom we can get .30 JHP
I bought a box of Hollow Points from PARA on Saturday @ RS 70

rmishaq
10-07-2012, 11:52 PM
I have been trying find some information on this on the forum but no luck so far. Therefore apologies in advance if the question has already been asked:
the slide release of my M57 doesn't work with an empty magazine in the gun. Is this normal or is there something wrong with my gun? Is there anyway to fix it?

Faisji
11-07-2012, 12:00 AM
the slide release of my M57 doesn't work with an empty magazine in the gun. Is this normal or is there something wrong with my gun? Is there anyway to fix it?

Do you mean the slide doesn't stay open after the last shot?

rmishaq
11-07-2012, 01:33 PM
Do you mean the slide doesn't stay open after the last shot?

No. I actually just got it yesterday and haven't fired it yet.

What I meant is that if there is a empty clip in the gun and the slide is locked back, the slide release does not work i.e. I cannot press it down to release the slide. Once the empty magazine is removed the release can easily be pressed down to bring the slide forward.
Is this normal behaviour for a M57 or any TT for that matter?

Kamranwali
11-07-2012, 01:56 PM
No. I actually just got it yesterday and haven't fired it yet.

What I meant is that if there is a empty clip in the gun and the slide is locked back, the slide release does not work i.e. I cannot press it down to release the slide. Once the empty magazine is removed the release can easily be pressed down to bring the slide forward.
Is this normal behaviour for a M57 or any TT for that matter?

Salam All,
rmishaq Bro, I think this is because the magazines are new. Once you load them and the springs loosen up a bit, this issue will go away by itself. Why dont you try keeping the mags loaded to full capacity for a few days and then unload them and try it out.

And, Congrats for the new workhorse. :)

Regards.

black arrow
11-07-2012, 02:21 PM
No. I actually just got it yesterday and haven't fired it yet.

What I meant is that if there is a empty clip in the gun and the slide is locked back, the slide release does not work i.e. I cannot press it down to release the slide. Once the empty magazine is removed the release can easily be pressed down to bring the slide forward.
Is this normal behaviour for a M57 or any TT for that matter?
Dear I think it is pretty normal, when you run out of ammo in mag, slide always go back like this, you need to insert another mag with ammo and 'then' use slide release and it will go back with the bullet in chamber.

In your case since you're testing slide racking with empty mag, it just shows above behavior.

rmishaq
11-07-2012, 03:34 PM
Thanks Kamranwa & Black Arrow bro.

dhdkmr
07-08-2012, 09:56 PM
resp, bros. i want to know exactly leathelness of .30 bore bullet.also in compare with 9mm.thanks all of you.

AsifKhan762
31-08-2012, 02:25 PM
Dear friends can anybody tell me the current price of Chinese 30 bore Norinco 636 in Lahore? dealer? Thank u in advance

AsifKhan762
31-08-2012, 04:34 PM
Dear friends can anybody tell me the current price of Chinese 30 bore Norinco 636 in Lahore? dealer? Thank u in advance

iffi
31-08-2012, 04:45 PM
Dear friends can anybody tell me the current price of Chinese 30 bore Norinco 636 in Lahore? dealer? Thank u in advance

Asifkhan762 Bhai in Karachi price of Chinese 30 bore Norinco 636 in 20,000/- if u will visit Karachi i will give u dealer's address

iffi
31-08-2012, 04:57 PM
Dear friends can anybody tell me the current price of Chinese 30 bore Norinco 636 in Lahore? dealer? Thank u in advance

AsifKhan762 Bro




The TT is an obsolete design that is hardly used by any army or law enforcement agency anywhere outside the third world. It has no manual safety lever. No decocker either. If U have not checked this thread U should..


http://www.pakguns.com/showthread.php?9010-Accidental-firing-of-Zastava-M57


And the zestava is a more expensive TT then the chinese one

.. Addionaly The TT does not have firing pin safety or even a hammer block safety.. If U drop it even with the hammer down it may fire... ANd then it has only 7 rounds and even that so powerful that if u shoot someone. the bullet wil simply go through him and hit any one standing behind.

AsifKhan762
31-08-2012, 05:08 PM
AsifKhan762 Bro




The TT is an obsolete design that is hardly used by any army or law enforcement agency anywhere outside the third world. It has no manual safety lever. No decocker either. If U have not checked this thread U should..


http://www.pakguns.com/showthread.php?9010-Accidental-firing-of-Zastava-M57


And the zestava is a more expensive TT then the chinese one

.. Addionaly The TT does not have firing pin safety or even a hammer block safety.. If U drop it even with the hammer down it may fire... ANd then it has only 7 rounds and even that so powerful that if u shoot someone. the bullet wil simply go through him and hit any one standing behind.

Thanks bro for ur kind suggestion. totally agree with u on not in use of any police or army. but regarding "obsolete " i think its very harsh. Chinese tt is an ever green gun at least in Pakistan. good performance and tested by the time. A lot of people love Chinese tt and i am one of them. agree with you on safety. but keeping in view the price not a bad option. well not recommended for a newbie but for someone experienced not a bad option.

ajmal virk
31-08-2012, 05:41 PM
If we count killing by guns TT will won the competition.

iffi
31-08-2012, 11:29 PM
If we count killing by guns TT will won the competition.

Ajmal Virk Bhai You r right

sadatpk
01-09-2012, 12:00 AM
what r the advantage or disadvantages,cal 30 foreign made is a must have item for a gun enthusiast if he has a spare license IMHO

Enigmatic Desires
02-09-2012, 10:17 PM
If we count killing by guns TT will won the competition.

Nowadays proffesional killers even street muggers have shifted to 9mm. Its kind of old fashioned even in the criminal classes now...

AsifKhan762
03-09-2012, 10:59 AM
If we count killing by guns TT will won the competition.
this is because others are new in the race. and tt are also available at affordable price.

black arrow
08-11-2012, 04:12 PM
I tried to 'dry' cycle Chinese .30 with 6 rounds in mag (i.e. keep on racking till all rounds are cleared from chamber). This one is still pretty much NIB and no rounds through it - but when I tried, each round was facing FTF (feed). I'm really surprised why this is happening - its surely something that can't be relied on. Whats going wrong?

sharpshooter2010
08-11-2012, 04:34 PM
black arrow
try shooting live rounds not dry humping !
it will be fine

s.jawad
08-11-2012, 04:36 PM
I tried to 'dry' cycle Chinese .30 with 6 rounds in mag (i.e. keep on racking till all rounds are cleared from chamber). This one is still pretty much NIB and no rounds through it - but when I tried, each round was facing FTF (feed). I'm really surprised why this is happening - its surely something that can't be relied on. Whats going wrong?

brother which chinese tt .30 bor u used

iffi
08-11-2012, 04:48 PM
I think TT 636 Chinese

black arrow
08-11-2012, 04:48 PM
brother which chinese tt .30 bor u used
Norinco 636

black arrow
08-11-2012, 04:49 PM
black arrow
try shooting live rounds not dry humping !
it will be fine
Agreed - but its going to happen when trying to get the 1st first round in chamber - so much for SD!

sharpshooter2010
08-11-2012, 04:57 PM
arrow
you mean the round doesn't fits into the barrel when you manually rack the slide ???

s.jawad
08-11-2012, 04:58 PM
Norinco 636

brother is this the old version 310 series or new 57 series and please change the magzine i am sure your problem will be solved

Faisji
08-11-2012, 05:17 PM
I tried to 'dry' cycle Chinese .30 with 6 rounds in mag (i.e. keep on racking till all rounds are cleared from chamber). This one is still pretty much NIB and no rounds through it - but when I tried, each round was facing FTF (feed). I'm really surprised why this is happening - its surely something that can't be relied on. Whats going wrong?

Are you pulling back the slide and letting it go n it's own accord or are you riding it forward?

black arrow
08-11-2012, 05:31 PM
arrow
you mean the round doesn't fits into the barrel when you manually rack the slide ???
Yes, its stuck in between... not properly in line with hole of barrel.

black arrow
08-11-2012, 05:32 PM
brother is this the old version 310 series or new 57 series and please change the magzine i am sure your problem will be solved
How can I tell which is which - it just says Norinco 636 on its side, no other words apart from serials IIRC.

For the mag, I tried both mags this one originally comes up with, with same results...

black arrow
08-11-2012, 05:34 PM
Are you pulling back the slide and letting it go n it's own accord or are you riding it forward?
I tried both ways - slowly let slide go back: stucks; let it go on its on - same thing IIRC, but I'll need to recheck just to be confident (I got so scared when this happened my heart was pumping fast) - few taps near bottom got it in chamber.

sharpshooter2010
08-11-2012, 05:42 PM
dear if you can post a pic regarding the issue . A picture is worth a thousand words
it might be ammo issue or mag issue

regards

s.jawad
08-11-2012, 05:52 PM
dear if you can post a pic regarding the issue . A picture is worth a thousand words
it might be ammo issue or mag issue

regards

+11111111-----

black arrow
08-11-2012, 06:04 PM
dear if you can post a pic regarding the issue . A picture is worth a thousand words
it might be ammo issue or mag issue

regards
Sure I can do that - will get back with a picture. BTW ammo is Chinese one (white color box), bought early this year; can you also please tell how ammo could be responsible?

s.jawad
08-11-2012, 06:09 PM
Sure I can do that - will get back with a picture. BTW ammo is Chinese one (white color box), bought early this year; can you also please tell how ammo could be responsible?

brother chinese 311 number bullets is the best one but make sure that u used the orignal bullets

black arrow
08-11-2012, 06:17 PM
brother chinese 311 number bullets is the best one but make sure that u used the orignal bullets

Ummm IIRC those are the ones I'm using - and they dealer said they are Chinese...

s.jawad
08-11-2012, 06:36 PM
Ummm IIRC those are the ones I'm using - and they dealer said they are Chinese...
brother this is the chinese 311 number bullets sorry for the bad photographe
http://i1339.photobucket.com/albums/o715/jawad-ali-77-shah/bth_20121108_192104.jpg?t=1352427663

black arrow
08-11-2012, 07:23 PM
brother this is the chinese 311 number bullets sorry for the bad photographe
http://i1339.photobucket.com/albums/o715/jawad-ali-77-shah/bth_20121108_192104.jpg?t=1352427663
Yup! mine looks similar (little hard to make due to camera res - I'll post its pics as well)

s.jawad
08-11-2012, 07:26 PM
brother i have brought this 30bor pistol made by order this is a local made but it"s reseult is very good http://i1339.photobucket.com/albums/o715/jawad-ali-77-shah/bth_20121104_164938.jpg http://i1339.photobucket.com/albums/o715/jawad-ali-77-shah/bth_20121104_164835.jpg http://i1339.photobucket.com/albums/o715/jawad-ali-77-shah/bth_20121104_164957.jpghttp://i1339.photobucket.com/albums/o715/jawad-ali-77-shah/bth_20121104_164909.jpg

ballixd
08-11-2012, 07:35 PM
I tried both ways - slowly let slide go back: stucks; let it go on its on - same thing IIRC, but I'll need to recheck just to be confident (I got so scared when this happened my heart was pumping fast) - few taps near bottom got it in chamber.
Same thing happens to my father's local tt from mid 90's, if i pull the slide and let it go slowly with my hand the bullet gets stuck (ftf) but if i pull the slide and let it go on its own quickly then it cycles fine

s.jawad
08-11-2012, 07:41 PM
Same thing happens to my father's local tt from mid 90's, if i pull the slide and let it go slowly with my hand the bullet gets stuck (ftf) but if i pull the slide and let it go on its own quickly then it cycles fine

brother this is not a fault all tt"s have this same reseult

black arrow
08-11-2012, 08:17 PM
brother i have brought this 30bor pistol made by order this is a local made but it"s reseult is very good http://i1339.photobucket.com/albums/o715/jawad-ali-77-shah/bth_20121104_164938.jpg http://i1339.photobucket.com/albums/o715/jawad-ali-77-shah/bth_20121104_164835.jpg http://i1339.photobucket.com/albums/o715/jawad-ali-77-shah/bth_20121104_164957.jpghttp://i1339.photobucket.com/albums/o715/jawad-ali-77-shah/bth_20121104_164909.jpg
A very persuasive beast (wink)

s.jawad
08-11-2012, 08:27 PM
A very persuasive beast (wink)

thanks brother

s.jawad
08-11-2012, 08:31 PM
Same thing happens to my father's local tt from mid 90's, if i pull the slide and let it go slowly with my hand the bullet gets stuck (ftf) but if i pull the slide and let it go on its own quickly then it cycles fine

brother i want to know that how old your tt and how many round's you fired on your tt

ballixd
08-11-2012, 09:57 PM
brother i want to know that how old your tt and how many round's you fired on your tt
Sir there is no fault i was just trying to answer blackarrow's query, my father bought it around 95'/96' we hardly use it(thanks to ALLAH) i believe it today we only fired around 40-50 rounds from it

s.jawad
08-11-2012, 10:12 PM
Sir there is no fault i was just trying to answer blackarrow's query, my father bought it around 95'/96' we hardly use it(thanks to ALLAH) i believe it today we only fired around 40-50 rounds from it

thanks brother i asked you beacuse i own have brought one local made tt in 1995 and i have fired about 4k+ round and i never faced any ftf or fte till now but i have never used local made ammo on this tt pistol

ballixd
09-11-2012, 12:26 AM
thanks brother i asked you beacuse i own have brought one local made tt in 1995 and i have fired about 4k+ round and i never faced any ftf or fte till now but i have never used local made ammo on this tt pistol
Do you have the one with safety latch? mine came with one and let me share this guns made in those days are rock solid, i will share pics tomarrow inshallah

s.jawad
09-11-2012, 09:08 AM
Do you have the one with safety latch? mine came with one and let me share this guns made in those days are rock solid, i will share pics tomarrow inshallah

ok brother my tt dont have saftey lactch and now i am using chinese orignal 636 black barrel pistol

mirza125
09-11-2012, 02:38 PM
AoA14427, is there any one who have idea about china 636 pistol? is it good pistol?? how much rounds it carries?? is 636 9mm or 30 bore?? and how much it cost(new) in karachi?? from where did i get it?? which dealer is trustworhty? is any one wants to sell it? im interested to buy it urgently is se pehly k jama huay we paisy urhh jaen... waiting for u guy's helpfull replies...

s.jawad
09-11-2012, 05:17 PM
AoA14427, is there any one who have idea about china 636 pistol? is it good pistol?? how much rounds it carries?? is 636 9mm or 30 bore?? and how much it cost(new) in karachi?? from where did i get it?? which dealer is trustworhty? is any one wants to sell it? im interested to buy it urgently is se pehly k jama huay we paisy urhh jaen... waiting for u guy's helpfull replies...

wellcome brother sorry for the late response 636 is the serial of chinese .30bor pistol and all orignal tt's have 8 rounds capesty but if this is your first tt you have to purchased do not go alone for tt pistol's

Enigmatic Desires
09-11-2012, 07:02 PM
The pic that u have shown Mirza 125 is a clone .. A local copy. IMHO

Such clones are available at around 8k (Peshawar arms company) at HM Traders lucky star.

BTW Which license do u have?

mirza125
09-11-2012, 07:37 PM
The pic that u have shown Mirza 125 is a clone .. A local copy. IMHO

Such clones are available at around 8k (Peshawar arms company) at HM Traders lucky star.




BTW Which license do u have?

thanks bro, i thought it were 636... as it looks really similar to 636??? do u kindly show me some pics?

Enigmatic Desires
09-11-2012, 07:43 PM
Sir. they ALL look similar to the chenee tee tee.. thats cause the cheenee tee tee has been copied here the most...

Heck the local TTs are so good.. Even the cheenee bhai log would not be able to differentiate at first glance. That why no point in taking pics. they all look exactly the same. Even the packing and the waight is the same..

Unless u know your TTs very well and know the dealer even more.. Dont try an buy on your own.

s.jawad
09-11-2012, 08:21 PM
http://i1339.photobucket.com/albums/o715/jawad-ali-77-shah/bth_20121109_204513.jpg?t=1352519112http://i1339.photobucket.com/albums/o715/jawad-ali-77-shah/bth_20121109_204432.jpg?t=1352519071http://i1339.photobucket.com/albums/o715/jawad-ali-77-shah/bth_20121109_204334.jpg?t=1352519014
brother there are some pictures
http://i1339.photobucket.com/albums/o715/jawad-ali-77-shah/bth_20121109_204826.jpg?t=1352519306

s.jawad
09-11-2012, 08:29 PM
brother there are some pictures of old 636 30 bor 310***** they have total 8 digit's but now aday's very hard to find this old one

mirza125
09-11-2012, 08:33 PM
brother there are some pictures of old 636 30 bor 310***** they have total 8 digit's but now aday's very hard to find this old one

ok bhai jan i appreciate it! bro kindly let me know is it comes in silver color also??