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Parabellum
24-03-2009, 01:32 PM
Any reviews on Tisas Zigana 9MM?

Sohail
24-03-2009, 01:42 PM
welcome parabellum. will you please translate your signature for my convenience. i think we already had detailed discussion on zigana and that thread is available here on the same page.

regards

Abbas
24-03-2009, 01:51 PM
Welcome to PakGuns Parabellum,

He's our friend from the range in Lahore, very good shot too ! I went to support him and Munir sahib for the competition on the 22nd at the range.

@Sohail, Famous saying meaning: He who desires peace prepares for war.

Sohail
24-03-2009, 03:58 PM
thanks :)

regards

Taurus
24-03-2009, 06:45 PM
Nice Signature

Parabellum
24-03-2009, 09:38 PM
Thank you guys for the warm welcome and especially thank you Abbas for the compliment as well as translating my signature :)

Osam
24-03-2009, 10:10 PM
Zigana is a full size pistol and quite heavy which makes the felt recoil less. However reported to be accurate and a very nice handgun.

Parabellum
24-03-2009, 10:14 PM
i noticed the reduced recoil especially on full auto fire in the youtube video... looks impressive

Osam
24-03-2009, 10:16 PM
That is usually because the heaviness of the gun and a longer barrel compartively, which makes the "felt" recoil less.

Parabellum
24-03-2009, 10:25 PM
by the way i have a question: I own a beretta 92FS which i presume to be a clone as it was a gift :) it has a blue slide and a stainless steel frame. i showed it to an armorer (firing pin issues and the armorer is Akram in Lahore) he said that it was a "Desi " Pistol. However I showed it to airforce armory personnel as well as new frontier arms in Peshawar (who make clones of the gun) and they said that it was not a locally manufactured piece. A couple of days ago i saw a similar weapon (albiet in blue) in the personal carry of a service army Major: Both guns have identical markings... PSF with a circled star along with BF in a square on the right side of the frame. The weight of these pistols is heavier than the new matt finished 92F's. I would like to know what i have.. any ideas?

Abbas
24-03-2009, 11:02 PM
If someone is willing to buy your gun at an original Beretta second hand price, SELL IT ! These clones are so good that a lot of people have doubts. I myself was in two minds and perhaps still have a nagging doubt in the back of my mind. All clones are marked PSF with a circled star and a square. If those boys can make such accurates clones what are a few markings ?

Here are a few pictures of other members 92 clones to compare with yours. Post pictures of your piece as well.

http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb176/mrnobody2008/DSCN1243.jpg
http://i614.photobucket.com/albums/tt227/ka_khan/Beretta6.jpg
http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii99/AbbasMalik/Beretta4.jpg

Btw for more info on Beretta clones, check this thread out.

http://www.pakguns.com/forum/viewtopic.php?id=111

Parabellum
24-03-2009, 11:08 PM
mine is exactly like the first pic on this post

Parabellum
24-03-2009, 11:12 PM
i think i will bring it to the range on saturday

Parabellum
24-03-2009, 11:16 PM
i shot with it in Kamra, 40 odd rounds of POF, very comfortable recoil and good placement of followup shots. The only problem i noticed was that the spring of the disassembly lever has weakned and the safety/decocker is slighty loose

Khakwani
22-01-2010, 04:11 PM
Dear All i wana buy a pistol please help me choosing out of following three.

NP 42 (Chinese)
Zigana (Turkish)
gsh-18 (Russia)

Please recommend

Regards,
Khakwani

Zubair
22-01-2010, 04:24 PM
Dear All i wana buy a pistol please help me choosing out of following three.

NP 42 (Chinese)
Zigana (Turkish)
gsh-18 (Russia)

Please recommend

Regards,
Khakwani

Where is GSH-18 available in PAKISTAN????

Khakwani
22-01-2010, 04:35 PM
Dear All i wana buy a pistol please help me choosing out of following three.

NP 42 (Chinese)
Zigana (Turkish)
gsh-18 (Russia)

Please recommend

Regards,
Khakwani

Where is GSH-18 available in PAKISTAN????


Zubair i dont know if it is available. But i would look for this gun because in my priority 1) gsh-18 and 2nd) Np-42 what do you say ????

Starfish
22-01-2010, 04:58 PM
I dont think you will find GSH here but if you do, let us know as well :)
many of us will be interested.

PsiFactor
26-01-2010, 11:39 PM
Dear All i wana buy a pistol please help me choosing out of following three.

NP 42 (Chinese)
Zigana (Turkish)
gsh-18 (Russia)

Please recommend

Regards,
Khakwani

Where is GSH-18 available in PAKISTAN????
GSH is Russian Military pistol. Availability in Pakistan not expected in the coming 5 years.

khurramdool
27-01-2010, 11:53 AM
Salam,
Well Tisas making very good pistols Zigana in 9mm, I tried a sami cum full auto steel heavy and big in frame but very nice in shooting in full auto mode.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=slLtsFAdLCw

Check this out.....

Aquarius
03-03-2010, 05:39 PM
Dear All i wana buy a pistol please help me choosing out of following three.

NP 42 (Chinese)
Zigana (Turkish)
gsh-18 (Russia)

Please recommend

Regards,
Khakwani

Where is GSH-18 available in PAKISTAN????
GSH is Russian Military pistol. Availability in Pakistan not expected in the coming 5 years.
+1 PsiFactor bro....

Ahsan Tauheed
10-03-2010, 11:47 PM
Here are some pics of that Turkish beauty which i got during browsing and want to share with you people. Plz let k\me know your comments about it.
http://s3.postimage.org/qZhPA.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/)

http://s3.postimage.org/qZkjJ.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/)

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http://s3.postimage.org/qZpj0.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=PqqZpj0)

http://s3.postimage.org/qZrO9.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=PqqZrO9)

http://s3.postimage.org/qZwNr.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=PqqZwNr)

http://s3.postimage.org/qZzhA.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=PqqZzhA)

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MIdreesTaj
11-03-2010, 09:01 AM
Here are some pics of that Turkish beauty which i got during browsing and want to share with you people. Plz let k\me know your comments about it.

http://s3.postimage.org/qZrO9.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=PqqZrO9)



Dear Ahsan what else to think about it. Check the sighting radius on this pistol. Despite the available long slide, rear sight has been seated an inch forward on the rear end of the slide, without any reason. I mean there could be no reason as well for doing so even.
I would rate this pistol design as some of a genuine Darra design.

Sensei
11-03-2010, 08:54 PM
But Sir look wise it is awesome is it not? :)

Gilani
11-03-2010, 10:44 PM
Seems to be a nice gun. Can anyone, who own a Zigana, post a range review based on shooting results on a proper target using different ammos :)

Ilyas
12-03-2010, 12:03 AM
... what else to think about it. Check the sighting radius on this pistol. Despite the available long slide, rear sight has been seated an inch forward on the rear end of the slide, without any reason. I mean there could be no reason as well for doing so even.
I would rate this pistol design as some of a genuine Darra design.

:) Nice observation... this is what we've been missing on the forum, when you were away.
If possible, do check the finishing of the gun, specially in silver finish... and you'll praise the
Darra people for their good craftsmanship, despite the lack of modern machinery.

MIdreesTaj
12-03-2010, 12:54 AM
:) Nice observation... this is what we've been missing on the forum, when you were away.
If possible, do check the finishing of the gun, specially in silver finish... and you'll praise the
Darra people for their good craftsmanship, despite the lack of modern machinery.

Thanks Bro Ilyas for appreciating. I truely admire well finished guns by our own people, who make them with the help of least of resources. You mentioned the stainless finish quality of these guns to check, I'll rather ask you to check the grip's plastic panel out growth reaching under as far on the frame as the breech block ends.
That is some interesting design feature after the rear sight design. :)

Enigmatic Desires
12-03-2010, 03:38 AM
Darra or Turkish...Its 1 hell of a big gun for a medium sized calibre like 9mm

Ilyas
13-03-2010, 01:21 AM
@mit... When it first hit the market, I was called by a dealer friend who told me that a new gun with the select fire option
had arrived n that he had kept a piece for me. I was really impatient to get to his shop and check it out at the first instance, but when I got there and saw that piece in silver finish, all my anxiety was immediately washed away. The finish was so pathetic, that it didn't even appeal to me to check it out in detail.
I must admit here that among the Turkish handguns with poor finish, there are two others worse than this... the Akdal Ghost and the Kahr.

MIdreesTaj
13-03-2010, 11:48 AM
I must admit here that among the Turkish handguns with poor finish, there are two others worse than this... the Akdal Ghost and the Kahr.

Same here bro, turkish handguns except one or two, did not just click me enough. There clones of 92FS by MKEK even seemed so funny to me, you ask why, because they have put them up in just so many colours and cheap customizations. I was kind of getting it something like pink ones green ones, daytime ones, bed time ones and bla bla LOL. Nice info btw I didnt know Kahr is now having installations in Turkey too?

BTW that are just my personal opinions and more cosmetic related gripes about turkish handguns. They might be good who knows.

Ahsan Tauheed
13-03-2010, 03:06 PM
Here are some pics of that Turkish beauty which i got during browsing and want to share with you people. Plz let k\me know your comments about it.

http://s3.postimage.org/qZrO9.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=PqqZrO9)



Dear Ahsan what else to think about it. Check the sighting radius on this pistol. Despite the available long slide, rear sight has been seated an inch forward on the rear end of the slide, without any reason. I mean there could be no reason as well for doing so even.
I would rate this pistol design as some of a genuine Darra design.


@midreestaj! Asalam o Alikum Bro, please dont take me as wrong but i want to say something i.e mein ap ko apki har baat ka jawab donga or phir is pistol k design or fininshing ka bhi proof do ga magar first of all u plz tell me that do u ever fired a single round with it and have u ever got it in ur hand kyoun k agar ap nay aisa kiya hota to shayad ap finishing ka to sawal hi na uthatay or mein mazeed detail apkay jawab k baat apko de donga or waisay bhi turkish weapon is in market in big quantity and had some demand magar mein yeh sub explaination baad mein doonga mera ap se yeh sawal hai k "Chinese nay kabhi .30 mein 8 Shooters say ziyada ka model kyoun nahin diya" jabkay yeh kafi poorana model hai ap mera jawab foorn dena is say pata chalayga k ap ko design k baray mein kitni knowledge hai or ap kitna samjhtay hot pistol ko. i really dont want to insult you but meinay yeh dekha hai bhai k yeh aik aisa shoouk hai bhai jis mein koi kisi say agay nahi hai. mujhay shayad kuch apki or apko ko meri knowledge barhanay ka mooqa milay ga.

Aquarius
13-03-2010, 03:16 PM
@mit... When it first hit the market, I was called by a dealer friend who told me that a new gun with the select fire option
had arrived n that he had kept a piece for me. I was really impatient to get to his shop and check it out at the first instance, but when I got there and saw that piece in silver finish, all my anxiety was immediately washed away. The finish was so pathetic, that it didn't even appeal to me to check it out in detail.
I must admit here that among the Turkish handguns with poor finish, there are two others worse than this... the Akdal Ghost and the Kahr.

+1 Ilyas bro..........

Sensei
13-03-2010, 08:22 PM
@Ahsan Tauheed brother though you are new here so I would request you to please dont get emotional and dont take things so personally,every one has rights to express in his own way our brother Midreestaj did not talked about you but the gun so you are not supposed to talk him like this,my friend be cool and try to be humble you too have rights to accept or totally reject any one`s point of view but in decent manners talk about guns not about persons hope you will take care of it and one more thing to remember that Pakguns rules and regulations does not allow to make posts in any other language than English as your brother I suggest you to please consider what I request you :|

Denovo87
13-03-2010, 08:53 PM
Ahsan Tauheed bro, why did you take MIdresstaj's comments on Zigana so personel? he just expressed what he think about the gun, if you have your personel experience with this gun please share with us but dont challenge in the way that sounds insulting.

You are most welcome to share your own experience and have right to disagree with other member's point view but in a decent & logical way :)

MIdreesTaj
14-03-2010, 12:05 AM
@Ahsan Tauheed bro keep it cool jigz. I am very interested to know by you, why chinese did not make a high capacity TT. + do also elaborate us on your findings about Zigana Pistol. Lets see what you have to say on this.

We all discuss here about guns and everybody is putting up his own opinion or just quoting other's opinions.

What I did not like about zigana, well that is just with me. If you ask me I would tell, I dont like zigana's rear sight placement as it is very odd looking to me(shorter sighting radius for a longer pistol?), Plastic grips are thickening the profile of pistol without any reason(not a functional characteristic is it?) well heard of select fire(full auto) capability in this item, I was thinking why it was named as Zigana Sports. It should rather have been Zigana SOCOM as sports pistol having an AUTO capability is just not a digestible item. About TT I think it has the weirdest of all sort of grips in handguns. Its angle is strange to me and also its structure. Today we all talk about guns ergonomics which were not bothered about in era of TT. It is a classic design and a WW insignia. I think that is the reason for your capacity question and the other reason being its caliber's versatality rank, it has not been much enhanced in Capacity.(though Colt 1911 was enhanced and improvised alot). Yes I do mean about .30 that it is not very versatile round with a limited usability like I think there is of .44 Magnum even though .44 is a bit more versatile than .30 because of Sports Shooting.

I'll give you details on each aspect I touched. Waiting for your opinions...

Regards

Aquarius
14-03-2010, 12:38 AM
@Ahsan tauheed: brother I too am a new comer like you & I know you wont give much attention to my words, but midreestaj bro has commented on the pistol, & you should,nd have acted like the way you did.... there are so many other threads on this forum regarding every weapon.. some friends are in favour of a particular weapon & other are against it ....eg. go to the Stoeger Cougar thread & you will find for yourself that how many of our friends are involved in this thread, one group is in favour of this gun & the other group is against it.. similarly go to the Beretta 92fs vs Pt92 thread and look for yourself that how many of our friends favour beretta 92fs pistol while others favours Pt 92 & similarly there are so many other threads of this nature on the forum. We all are here to contribute and to share our knowledge because this great forum is made for it..... so if one member does,nt like a specific gun its his own expereince and problem...
Mr midreestaj bro did,nt offended you, infact he was giving his own idea & you should not have taken it that serious & personal....
regards

Faheem
14-03-2010, 01:38 AM
Ahsan Tauheed brother :) please cool down and just try to convence from your arguments from your experience and please also let us know some thing about your sound knowledge through your practical based information...... may be we will get some knowledge because I for the one who is just for getting some usefull information from my seniors.......


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Ahsan Tauheed
14-03-2010, 05:22 PM
@Ahsan Tauheed bro keep it cool jigz. I am very interested to know by you, why chinese did not make a high capacity TT. + do also elaborate us on your findings about Zigana Pistol. Lets see what you have to say on this.

We all discuss here about guns and everybody is putting up his own opinion or just quoting other's opinions.

What I did not like about zigana, well that is just with me. If you ask me I would tell, I dont like zigana's rear sight placement as it is very odd looking to me(shorter sighting radius for a longer pistol?), Plastic grips are thickening the profile of pistol without any reason(not a functional characteristic is it?) well heard of select fire(full auto) capability in this item, I was thinking why it was named as Zigana Sports. It should rather have been Zigana SOCOM as sports pistol having an AUTO capability is just not a digestible item. About TT I think it has the weirdest of all sort of grips in handguns. Its angle is strange to me and also its structure. Today we all talk about guns ergonomics which were not bothered about in era of TT. It is a classic design and a WW insignia. I think that is the reason for your capacity question and the other reason being its caliber's versatality rank, it has not been much enhanced in Capacity.(though Colt 1911 was enhanced and improvised alot). Yes I do mean about .30 that it is not very versatile round with a limited usability like I think there is of .44 Magnum even though .44 is a bit more versatile than .30 because of Sports Shooting.

I'll give you details on each aspect I touched. Waiting for your opinions...

Regards




@midreestaj! asalam o alikum bro, i already had told you that im not trying to insult you but i just wanted to let you realize that you can't challenge a design of any pistol or rifle which is branded or produced by a well reputed company and country. I just wanted to share my research and practical experience but you had asked me to explain the reason about loving turkish zigana then i had commented, i just wanted to tell all my bros that i dont want to insult any one but had told to realize that no pistol's design is bad because they are built to fire and they do so, except those Darra...... weapon as my bro mentioned already because they are not produced by measured design and on machineries so there finishing ends are sharp and not smooth mechanism inside also, they are aslo not sure shot. But turkish weapon is not made by any of these steps. Moreover Pakistan Ordinance Arms Factory is producing some serious kind of Weapons. Finally My question about .30 is because of the reason that it is a basic design to understand a handgun and very accurate and also most easy mechanism to understand and if u understand the handguns that much well then you can answer me i never wanted to insult you but challenged you not to make comments on any thing untill you are able to produce, repair and maintain it because we all guys pertains handguns and have some emotional attachments with it because it is like a second wife in our life and we keep it always with us and it gives us the passion and satisfaction that we are safe because of it and our courage, any way bro the answer of the question is that .30 is very powerfull caliber in a pistol that is why its handling is much difficult and that is why its round size is bigger then the other caliber of bullets and when they tried to enhanced its capacity of magazines then the round's front side i dont know what we call it in english but in urdu we call it "Sikka" after 10 bullets are getting up side due to its size and when the "Sikka" side of bullets are not seated below in the magazines then they get stuck after every 2 t0 3 shots during recoil and if they enhance the width and deepness of their magazines it gets again stuck due to its high velocity during firing again bullets could not seated well in less space. But in rifle it is reverse beacause then you have got bigger design and bigger size of magazine. i hope that the way i had explained you the reason will be understood by you please. Hope you will not mind my talks and try to understand. Next time i will make you clear about Zigana's Design they are master piece of great technology, but befor that want you to search Zigana-F on you tube and watch some videos of their performance and making please.

Oh in last that is also the main reason that darra's pistols got stuck during firing because their design and magazines are not much capable of firing what they puts into it.

Thanks and regards

@ Faheem bhai and my other bros i had never ever tries to insult him but wanted to let him realize that not to comments seriuosly without having prior information.

@ Faheem bhai waiting for your answer please.

Denovo87
14-03-2010, 06:44 PM
Ahsan bro appreciate your spirit, hope we will have more knowlege based argument here in this thread without hurting other members feelings :)

Ahsan Tauheed
14-03-2010, 07:01 PM
Ahsan bro appreciate your spirit, hope we will have more knowlege based argument here in this thread without hurting other members feelings :)

@Denovo87 thanks Bro please do let me know your comments on my explaination to my midrestaj Bros which i had recently.

AK47
14-03-2010, 07:57 PM
Ahsan bro, welcome to the forum, and what a blast debut! Bro, there is no objection here to jumbo length posts, as long as they tell something real, are easy to understand. I dont quite see much substance in the "sikka" theory above on the T.T, would you mind revealing some reliable source? Furthermore, Zigana may be a nice range gun, but midestraaj is one of our best ammo and gun experts here, plz pay heed to Denovo bros suggestions above, and let's move on now, enough of this discussion, which is leading nowhere, Zigana users, come forth, lets know more about this handgun!

Gilani
14-03-2010, 11:40 PM
+1 AK and Denovo sahib.

Though Mr. Ahsan has repeatedly said he did not want to insult Mr. Idrees Taj but the language of his post speaks the opposite. I find it hard to understand why some of the new members are getting so emotional about their guns. The same I experienced in the Stoeger thread where some of the members went emotional and at places sarcastic in the defence of their guns. Mr Ahsan must be a very experienced shooter but so are many of us having fired thousands of rounds with different pistols from different countries. So we discuss guns here to learn new things in a decent and rational manner. Any argument without facts is just wastage of time. When we say so and so gun is good and so and so gun is average and so and so gun is a flop than we must have technical and range results supporting our argument. That way it will benefit all of us, otherwise the whole thing might easily turn into a personal rift. The reply of Taj sahib in the above post is an example how one should logically and rationally put forward his point of view.

All new members are most welcome to give their point of view as much as the old members are. But the comments must develop mutual respect amongst us and enhance our knowledge. Thanks and regards :)

Gilani
14-03-2010, 11:54 PM
. ....eg. go to the Stoeger Cougar thread & you will find for yourself that how many of our friends are involved in this thread, one group is in favour of this gun & the other group is against it..
Brother you still didn't grasp the spirit of the argument. Myself and 12guage were never against Stoeger Cougar. We just said that its a good gun but not the BEST as it is being portrayed and there are other options also available that are worth considering. We tried to support our argument with rational and ground facts but in vain. :)

Ilyas
15-03-2010, 01:31 AM
+1 AK47 n Gillani sb ... No doubt midreestaj is one of the most learned n knowledgable members on the forum and he might still be an enthusiast in the ranking, but has rightfully earned the respect from the most respected members on PakGuns; which members like me can only wish for :)

Faheem
15-03-2010, 07:17 AM
@Gilani Bhai :) we know that very well you are not against any handgun in any thread and we also admire your technical explainations, facts and ground realities and practival based informations.... thats why we call you "HANDGUN GURU".


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MIdreesTaj
15-03-2010, 12:38 PM
@Ilyas and AK47 bro.. much respect to you and to all brothers. What better can we do but to respect each other sincerely

Regards

MIdreesTaj
15-03-2010, 01:01 PM
that no pistol's design is bad because they are built to fire and they do so, except those Darra...... weapon
Ahsan Bro what are you pointing at is called Reliability of a weapon. That is one most important thing we must consider If the weapon is meant to be used for protecting oneself. However there are other things like Durability, Capacity/firepower, Ergonomics etc which are of secondary importance but not the least to be said. Many top contending handguns are rejected on the basis of these secondary traits and ofcourse every weapon is designed to fire.



and when they tried to enhanced its capacity of magazines then the round's front side i dont know what we call it in english but in urdu we call it "Sikka" after 10 bullets are getting up side due to its size and when the "Sikka" side of bullets are not seated below in the magazines then they get stuck after every 2 t0 3 shots during recoil and if they enhance the width and deepness of their magazines it gets again stuck due to its high velocity during firing again bullets could not seated well in less space.
You call Sikka as bullet. What you mentioned about the .30 rounds Sikkas facing upward is not due to recoil + a high capacity magazine. It can happen to 9mm handguns too. The reason is inconsistant tension in the magazine spring. Take example of a M4 carbine(very small and light weight weapon) firing long and thin(like .30) .223/5.56NATO rounds from DOUBLE STACK magazines on such a high cyling rates.

Regards

Sensei
15-03-2010, 03:19 PM
. ....eg. go to the Stoeger Cougar thread & you will find for yourself that how many of our friends are involved in this thread, one group is in favour of this gun & the other group is against it..
Brother you still didn't grasp the spirit of the argument. Myself and 12guage were never against Stoeger Cougar. We just said that its a good gun but not the BEST as it is being portrayed and there are other options also available that are worth considering. We tried to support our argument with rational and ground facts but in vain. :)

With all the respects to my dearest friend Gilani bhai though most of us were not agreed to compare couger on that criteria on which this gun has now already proved itself ,I really dont undestand that what more rational and ground reallity based arguments we are looking for,I think we were all agreed that its a matter of one`s preference the discussing guns are nice and just slightly - &+ from each other some of us would prefare CZ 999 or PT 92 as our first choice and some of us would prefare said guns as our 3rd or 4th choice and stoegar cougar as our first choice otherwise all depends on the shooter that how good he is :cool:

Aquarius
15-03-2010, 03:26 PM
+1 AK47 n Gillani sb ... No doubt midreestaj is one of the most learned n knowledgable members on the forum and he might still be an enthusiast in the ranking, but has rightfully earned the respect from the most respected members on PakGuns; which members like me can only wish for :)

+1 Ilyas bro.... midreestaj bro is the Mentor in this field & one of the most experienced & learned member of this great forum....

Aquarius
15-03-2010, 03:31 PM
@Gilani Bhai :) we know that very well you are not against any handgun in any thread and we also admire your technical explainations, facts and ground realities and practival based informations.... thats why we call you "HANDGUN GURU".


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+1 Faheem bro... Sir Gilani is infact our "HANDGUN GURU".... My next purchase will definately be according to his advise...

Gilani
15-03-2010, 11:06 PM
Sensei brother, lets not discuss these stoegers and CZs and PTs any further, I am no more thinking about combat pistols :D Lets talk about say P226 X6, STI Target Master, CZ 75B Tactical Sport with customised adjustable sights, Kimber Gold Match, Browning Buckmark, Rugar Mark III Competition ............. this is what I am thinking about all the time nowadays (Skeeter60 sahib has put me on this line) :). So the main issue is over, I am clear what to buy. Only small irritants like finances and availability are left to be decided. :)

Aquarius brother, thanks for your comments, I am obliged. However, you would have rarely seen me advising anyone to buy this or that gun. I believe all good and bad points of a particular gun should be openly discussed on the forum but when it comes to buying, nothing should be forced or insisted. It is the decision of the person standing in the arms shop that matters. He should exercise his own choice and buy the gun which he likes the most. :)

Sensei
16-03-2010, 03:34 AM
+1 Gilani & I am sure that Insha Allah you will be able to get your dream gun very soon good luck brother
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Gilani
16-03-2010, 07:21 AM
Thanks Sensei brother :)