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Abbas
11-10-2010, 01:01 AM
Salams,

I would like to start off by saying that the CZ Rami is the simply the best sub compact the world has ever seen. I adore it, love it and sleep with it under my pillow.

I had been looking for a subcompact for quite a while and the only decent option that I had was the Glock26 which I was reluctant to purchase because of the idiotic price of 350k. Then the Rami came along and 'shot' the 26 a new one.

This gun is simply marvelous, it is solid, well finished and a joy to handle. I bought the D version which comes with a decocker and Tritium night sights. The magazine holds 10 rounds and with 1 in the chamber, the gun carries 11. It comes with a firing pin block and the trigger is above average. Barrel length is 3 inches and the Rami weighs 695g which is about 140g heavier than the Glock 26. The pistol is DA/SA.

Shooting the Rami is a real pleasure, the felt recoil is quite low for a gun with a 3 inch barrel, the rubber grips feel great and shooting it even with the two and a half finger grip is very comfortable.

As for accuracy, within the first 50 rounds I shot a two inch group at 10 M. That is just phenomenal for a sub compact. I was so amazed that I forgot about the review and started a one on one competition with it and the Canik 55. At 15 M I shot a 3.5 inch group with the Canik and a 3 inch one with the Rami ! I was almost embarrassed to be shooting better on a gun I had not even fired 100 shots on compared to one (with a 4.7 inch barrel) that I shot 6000+ on.

Then I started to torture test it with limp wrists, rapid fires, loose grip, double taps, dirty ammo etc. It passed all with flying colors, NO FTE's or FTF.

I fired a total of 300 rounds though it of all kinds of ammo and it ate up everything flawlessly. My main concern was that since this is a subcompact and meant for self defense carry, compatibility with all kinds of HP ammo was a must. I am happy to report that it shot every variety of HP's I fed it reliably.

The Rami is a wonderful wonderful piece and I would also like to say while Glocks are great friends, CZ's are simply life long love affairs. Get one.


http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii99/AbbasMalik/Rami6.jpg

http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii99/AbbasMalik/Rami1.jpg

http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii99/AbbasMalik/Rami2.jpg

http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii99/AbbasMalik/Rami3.jpg

http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii99/AbbasMalik/Rami4.jpg

http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii99/AbbasMalik/Rami5.jpg

http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii99/AbbasMalik/Rami7.jpg

AK47
11-10-2010, 01:27 AM
@Abbas............Let me have the pleasure to be the first one to congratulate you on the first PG Rami! Congrats Chief! :)

So you finally found your long sought after "petite" partner! ;)

What a great review and performance! :)

Chief, is that a dual recoil spring I see there? :rolleyes:

Also, nice to see such a high capacity compact, ideal all-rounder CCW, absolutely great, marvelous! :)

Abbas
11-10-2010, 01:28 AM
Shooting the RAMI

http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii99/AbbasMalik/Rami9.jpg

http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii99/AbbasMalik/Rami10.jpg

http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii99/AbbasMalik/Rami11.jpg

http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii99/AbbasMalik/Rami8.jpg


Double taps at 8M and scores.

http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii99/AbbasMalik/Rami12.jpg

http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii99/AbbasMalik/Rami13.png

Abbas
11-10-2010, 01:36 AM
@Ak47 Thank you, it was a long wait but worth it. :) You're right it does have a dual recoil spring.

Here is a comparison with the Glock 26.

http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii99/AbbasMalik/26vsrami2.jpg

http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii99/AbbasMalik/26vsrami1.jpg

Pashasahab
11-10-2010, 01:50 AM
@chief - how much does it cost to own one? I absolutely adore it and i am thinkin of geting it!

iffe
11-10-2010, 01:51 AM
@ Abbas

bro how much rami cost u>??

its just beautiful small wonder :)

Crazy Shooter
11-10-2010, 01:55 AM
Congrats Abbass brother beautiful handgun but you didn't mention the price :)

AK47
11-10-2010, 02:03 AM
Thanks Chief, that dual recoil spring explains the reduced recoil. :)

A shot in the air would be 90K! :rolleyes:

Slayerjatt
11-10-2010, 02:23 AM
many many congratulations chief. i remember looking at this gun on the web and thinking that i would prefer this one over a g26 and there you have it. the reliability is the paramount thing when it comes to sub-compact cc weapons but it has gone way beyond expectations in the accuracy part too. amazing! congratulations once again and would love to know the price tag if convenient.

Abbas
11-10-2010, 03:24 AM
@PashaSahab, Iffe & Crazy Shooter Thanks, Indeed I forgot to mention the price. It's 85 K.

@Slayer Email me your number, will call you soon sometime. Been quite some days.

Crazy Shooter
11-10-2010, 03:39 AM
@PashaSahab, Iffe & Crazy Shooter Thanks, Indeed I forgot to mention the price. It's 85 K.

@Slayer Email me your number, will call you soon sometime. Been quite some days.

I was thinking the same because you always mention the price and I really like it :) anyways beautiful gun congrats once again :)

mhrehman
11-10-2010, 05:18 AM
Thanks for the review Abbas sb, I think its finally time for me to let go of the CZ83 and get this baby as a back up weapon. And congrats on the great buy. Can you please inform about the availability.

Silent killerr
11-10-2010, 08:26 AM
Congrats sir, very nice addition

Dr Zakir
11-10-2010, 09:15 AM
It looked and sounded a great . And your review has proved that it is great . Congratulation on a great purchase

Denovo87
11-10-2010, 10:57 AM
Congrats Abbas bro for acquiring pocket powerhouse and thanks for passing a new ITCH on to me :lol:

AK47
11-10-2010, 11:13 AM
@Den..........Abbas caught me one-legged also, that too in the midst of the night, already there was another "quake", lols!

Now two itches, one big, one small, and the smaller is actually bigger, lols! ;) What to do? :rolleyes: :lol:

Denovo87
11-10-2010, 11:26 AM
@Den..........Abbas caught me one-legged also, that too in the midst of the night, already there was another "quake", lols!

Now two itches, one big, one small, and the smaller is actually bigger, lols! ;) What to do? :rolleyes: :lol:


Cannot do anything than pacify the itch by scratching manually :lol: till we get hold of new GREENS :(

AK47
11-10-2010, 11:58 AM
@Den..........Abbas caught me one-legged also, that too in the midst of the night, already there was another "quake", lols!

Now two itches, one big, one small, and the smaller is actually bigger, lols! ;) What to do? :rolleyes: :lol:


Cannot do anything than pacify the itch by scratching manually :lol: till we get hold of new GREENS :(

@Den..........Lols on the manual gear! :lol:

Bro, that's the actual problem, I know. Pray, and you know this time around we'll take 2-4 new each, there must always be emergency solutions at hands! :)

Heck, they're making me impatient, not fair any longer. :(

Naveed_pk
11-10-2010, 12:22 PM
Congarts Abbas bhai , Amazing results !! A weapon indeed to be carried Concealed

Aquarius
11-10-2010, 01:18 PM
Congrats Chief on your new Rami.. have seen this decocker version with alloy/steel frame.. great for conceal carry.. :)

Glockcohlic
11-10-2010, 01:51 PM
Congrats Abbas Bhai,

Very nice addition and good review. Finally we have a nice CC gun in a reasonable price tag.

noumanzaidi
11-10-2010, 02:01 PM
congrats and nice comparison :)

Zaheer
11-10-2010, 09:51 PM
Nice Pistol for CC with a nice price tag.

Pashasahab
11-10-2010, 10:01 PM
@ Chief - thanks for the prompt reply. Yeah its a CC Beast!

further: BEAUTY CANT BEAT BRAINS!

Cap1
11-10-2010, 10:48 PM
@Abbas: Just when I think I'm done no more guns needed, you come up with something like this! Will definitely consider this at the next change (not sure when that will be). Good review and happy for your purchase.
One qs about the 1911 style protrusion just above where the web of the hand sits - could it be a hindrance when drawing from CC?

Mohammad
11-10-2010, 10:51 PM
one thing that i have to admire is the tight grouping despite the fact that its a sub compact version. Congrats on the purchase

PA
11-10-2010, 10:51 PM
Nice purchase
Can u tell me what must be it's muzzle velocity and effective range?

Ilyas
11-10-2010, 10:58 PM
Congrats Chief... it looks awesome. Had seen the Rami P, but didn't like it much in the polymer frame.
Yours seems wonderful and a bit different too, as it says CZ USA Kansas City and also has a cable lock,
which is usually supplied in the US. Is it from the recently imported bulk consignment or brought by someone
as a single piece?

coolbox18
11-10-2010, 11:06 PM
Congratulations Abbas sb on this wonderfull purchase.
From your target pictures, it seems ideal for beginners as a range pistol!

AK47
11-10-2010, 11:18 PM
Congrats Chief... it looks awesome. Had seen the Rami P, but didn't like it much in the polymer frame.
Yours seems wonderful and a bit different too, as it says CZ USA Kansas City and also has a cable lock,
which is usually supplied in the US. Is it from the recently imported bulk consignment or brought by someone
as a single piece?

@Ilyas...........Salams bro! Hope you're fine. I am really a bit confused on the Rami variety which recently struck our markets! :rolleyes:

If you check a picture posted by Dr. Aquarius Sb in window shopping thread, you'll find on it the mention of "USA, Kansas", hence these should be the pieces from the bulk consignment, part of which stranded in Lahore.

Yet, at the same time, Dr. Aquarius Sb and you, both, report that the pieces which arrived in Peshawer were polymer! I trust AAH bro, who also got his from Fakhre Alam's shop, got the one in alloy/all steel!! Now, where do the polymer ones come into the picture, and if any, how were they priced in relation to the alloy/steel versions, there should be quite a difference in my opinion, the steeled versions should be higher in price, or am I wrong here?

In any case, I trust Chief's piece was from the popular bulk consignment, not an individual import. :)

Ilyas
11-10-2010, 11:54 PM
WS Bro! Well sorry for getting things confused, didn't remember Acquarius's post and neither
did pay attention to the origin, when I saw the polymer one. I simply didn't like the gun
and didn't check it in detail... there was other more interesting stuff lying around :)

And later I was told that even the ones with steel frame were avaiable at the time of our visit,
but the dealer must have forgotten to show those to us and we also didn't bother to ask about
any other other available versions. Later that day, all the Rami (both polymer & steel) either got
sold or booked :( The one Aquarius saw later was also the alloy/steel version.

http://www.pakguns.com/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=168072#p168072

So it seems that of the bulk consignment, only the Rami were marked as CZ-USA while all the other
products lacked these markings & came with the "Made in Czech Republic" stamping. Hope I'm getting
it right this time :D

A.Abbas
12-10-2010, 12:09 AM
@ Abbas congratulation on buying "Pocket Size Sniper" and nice review and the excitement tells the rest. :)

Faheem
12-10-2010, 02:04 PM
Abbas, here I would like to say that this is simply marvelous, very impressive CC handgun in very reasonable price .... thanks for sharing the details with accuracy results.....

AK47
12-10-2010, 03:41 PM
@Ilyas.........Thanks bro, confusion over, yet one thing got confirmed at least, it's been around in both polymer as well as steel. Thanks. :)

Abu Al Hawl
12-10-2010, 04:36 PM
AK for you only; these both were available with National Traders, and the D alloy model has also been acquired by me :D
http://s4.postimage.org/hj54r.jpg (http://postimage.org/image/z4tntilg/)

http://s4.postimage.org/hja3J.jpg (http://postimage.org/image/z4wyw7l0/)

Abu Al Hawl
12-10-2010, 04:39 PM
AK and also both are of same price 85k

Gilani
12-10-2010, 07:21 PM
Many many congrats Abbas sahib on buying one of the best CC handguns. And a very comprehensive review too. This little gun is damn accurate :o

Salman_Ahmed
12-10-2010, 07:47 PM
congratulations on ur new pocket companions.

ty for the nice review

Regards.

Aquarius
12-10-2010, 08:47 PM
AK for you only; these both were available with National Traders, and the D alloy model has also been acquired by me :D
http://s4.postimage.org/hj54r.jpg (http://postimage.org/image/z4tntilg/)

http://s4.postimage.org/hja3J.jpg (http://postimage.org/image/z4wyw7l0/)

Congrats AAH bro on your new purchase.. from the pictures the D version (2nd picture) has a decocker with no manual safety and the P version (1st picture) looks like it has a manual safety with no decocker (as the traditional CZ75B model).. now lets assume that D stand for decocker then whats P stands for if not for polymer, as you mentioned in some other thread that P version also has alloy/steel frame.. :)

And BTW on one hand you are selling all your beautiful jewellery because you are planning to go to Singapore and on other hand you are buying some beautiful stuff.. are you planning to take these newcomers along with you... ;)

Abu Al Hawl
12-10-2010, 09:20 PM
Aqu bro, yes i came to know thru CZ home page that P does exist in alloy fram, while also confirming the same from haji Sb. Fakhar-e-Alam he also stated that he has P allow model but when i had sent my guy to inspect the P model it was surprise that it was poly frame :( Haji Sb ditched me very well :mad: where as going to Singapore is concerned yes am moving but will only keep CZ at home because i will be visiting sweet home land on my vacations so i dont want to ask you to please borrow your weapon to me for target ptactice :lol:

AK47
12-10-2010, 11:33 PM
@Abu.............Thanks bro and congrats once again on your new babe, one beautiful acquisition indeed. :P

And what's this Singapore news about, hope it's just a short stay, no need to release anything, we're many to take care of your beauties, no problem at all? ;)

Btw, any ideas on gun laws over there? :rolleyes:

Abbas
13-10-2010, 02:16 AM
@All Thank you for the kind comments.

The Polymer version is not as good as the steel version. It is just slightly slimmer but not enough to make a large difference.

Btw internationally the D version with nightsights is about $ 125 more expensive than the other version. Here they are selling for the same price. I don't think there is much to think about.

When I went to get my piece, I immediately liked the D version, Skeeter60 and Starfish also saw it and with the night sights and feel didn't look at the other version twice.

@AbuHawl I recommend getting two D's instead of the polymer one.

@Cap1 Drawing it is quite comfy and snagfree.

Abu Al Hawl
13-10-2010, 10:43 AM
@ AK Lala, thanks and this Singpore story is that i May have to move to Singapore for 3 years so thought of selling off all my weapons but lets see its just a thought

@ Abbas bro, yes i have also bought the DEE model as earlier you had advised me to do so.

Anthrax
13-10-2010, 01:14 PM
WOW Abbas brother, that's one mighty fine looking CC gun you got there! So finally something good's turning around for the PGunners, CZs at affordable prices! What more can one ask for?

Congratulations once again, I'm sure it'd be a pleasure to shoot this little bad boy! ;)

AK47
13-10-2010, 10:47 PM
@ AK Lala, thanks and this Singpore story is that i May have to move to Singapore for 3 years so thought of selling off all my weapons but lets see its just a thought

@ Abbas bro, yes i have also bought the DEE model as earlier you had advised me to do so.

hmmm.... Understand your position now bro, I fully do, and unless you need to, keep 'em all! :)

Perhaps just do away with the lower profiled ones, keep the high profiled. If you ask me, there's no surety you'll be able to recollect your older collection again after 3-4 years, here in Pakistan, things change within minutes, total u-turns.

Best of luck, however, in anything you decide. Regards. :)

HussnainAyub
19-10-2010, 03:54 PM
congrats and wish u all the best ABBAS SB.

Zaheer
23-10-2010, 12:39 AM
I think its good for my small hands ;) but I will not go for the Polymer version as per Abbas

actionhero
23-10-2010, 01:24 AM
nice little gun :cool:

Mani
23-10-2010, 06:40 PM
Congrats Abbas Bhai.

Abbas
23-01-2011, 08:36 PM
Salams, took the Rami out today after a couple of months for some more shooting. The little gun does not cease to amaze. Check this target out, it was shot at 25 M by Mr. Omer Butt.

http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii99/AbbasMalik/230120112376.jpg

Discount the few wild shot that are shooter error and this gun is capable of shooting 190 + at 25 M which makes it around a two inch group ! Absolutely amazing.

AK47
23-01-2011, 08:56 PM
And I guess you've been "smirking" joyfully at the look of it, all the way back from the range! Lolz!

Excellent Chief, amazing!

Regards.

Aquarius
23-01-2011, 10:37 PM
Great shooting Omar Butt Sahib.. no doubt Rami is quite accurate for its size.. happy shooting.

bbiillaall
26-01-2011, 02:20 PM
this little piece is the best i would say.
Luckily i was there when umar bro fired this session and the result was perfect.
I also fired some rounds with this beauty and love it.
Abbas bhai, i think i was wrong about the trigger?

PakistanFirst
25-04-2011, 08:25 AM
What the weight difference between the polymer and steel version? I want of compare the steel version with my Star M43 Firestar.

zak
26-04-2011, 01:34 AM
I am coming to Pakistan soon from the UK (5th May), and was hoping you could tell me where I could buy this pistol once I get my licence. Your help would be very appreciated. Thanks. Zak

AK47
26-04-2011, 01:39 AM
What the weight difference between the polymer and steel version? I want of compare the steel version with my Star M43 Firestar.

Merely an ounce!! Actually CZ slides are very dense. The 1 ounce difference in frames is too marginal to choose the polymer model.

ACHILLES
16-09-2011, 11:10 PM
Abbas bhai is,t that alloy frame some how weaker in durability and strength than steel frames. I mean if i shoot rami alot than it will rattel or the wear and tear of the frame will be more than g26 ?

Aquarius
10-11-2011, 05:26 PM
Yesterday I fired some 200 rounds of different variety (Armscor JHP, Chinese Blue & Red box, S&B FMJ & JHP, Russian Barnaul) of 9mm Ammo from NIB Rami D.. it was supplied with one 10 round & one 14 round magazine.
The gun was fully degreased & oiled.. It worked very well with the 10 rounder but I experienced some 6 to 7 FTF with the 14 round magazine.. even with firing rapidly with 10 rounder, it was as smooth as knife through butter, but with 14 rounder it refused to feed one or two rounds per magazine.

This could be a magazine related problem but still, did anyone else experience this problem with a pistol like Rami D ??

Expert opinions are welcome plz.

Faisji
10-11-2011, 05:52 PM
Yesterday I fired some 200 rounds of different variety (Armscor JHP, Chinese Blue & Red box, S&B FMJ & JHP, Russian Barnaul) of 9mm Ammo from NIB Rami D.. it was supplied with one 10 round & one 14 round magazine.
The gun was fully degreased & oiled.. It worked very well with the 10 rounder but I experienced some 6 to 7 FTF with the 14 round magazine.. even with firing rapidly with 10 rounder, it was as smooth as knife through butter, but with 14 rounder it refused to feed one or two rounds per magazine.

This could be a magazine related problem but still, did anyone else experience this problem with a pistol like Rami D ??

Expert opinions are welcome plz.

Disassemble and clean the 14 round mag.

Compare the mag feed lips with the 10 round mag to check for inconsistencies

Also check the length of the mag spring against the 10 round mag spring

Also observe the ejection pattern for the 14 round mag,if it is ejecting erratically then there might be a burring on extractor.(although not very likely since the 10 round mag is working ok)

Aquarius
10-11-2011, 06:24 PM
Disassemble and clean the 14 round mag.

Compare the mag feed lips with the 10 round mag to check for inconsistencies

Also check the length of the mag spring against the 10 round mag spring

Also observe the ejection pattern for the 14 round mag,if it is ejecting erratically then there might be a burring on extractor.(although not very likely since the 10 round mag is working ok)

Thanks Faisji for a prompt response.

The magazine was disassembled & cleaned twice in the session.

The magazine feed lips are identical.. no inconsistencies at all.

The spring tension of both 10 rounder & 14 rounder are almost equal.. the length & the number of curves of the spring is equal to the 14 round magazines of my CZ 75 Compact, which works very well in the 75 compact as I fired some 400 rounds through the compact without a single issue.
Next time I will use this magazine in my 75 compact & see what happens.

AK47
10-11-2011, 06:29 PM
Dr Sahib, salams! And congrats also on the NIB. It for sure is magazine related, cannot be anything else. Since you've tried out above remedies, I'd suggest you simply go back and exchange that mag, I know he'll do it for you over a cup of qahwa, no need to experiment more with it and waste bullets.

Humbly, my personal opinion about the Rami is, it should only be 10 round fed, and I regret to some extent that I exchanged my second 10 rounder with a 14 rounder. It's like killing the very purpose of it's design.


Best luck,


Regards.

Denovo87
10-11-2011, 07:36 PM
Yesterday I fired some 200 rounds of different variety (Armscor JHP, Chinese Blue & Red box, S&B FMJ & JHP, Russian Barnaul) of 9mm Ammo from NIB Rami D.. it was supplied with one 10 round & one 14 round magazine.
The gun was fully degreased & oiled.. It worked very well with the 10 rounder but I experienced some 6 to 7 FTF with the 14 round magazine.. even with firing rapidly with 10 rounder, it was as smooth as knife through butter, but with 14 rounder it refused to feed one or two rounds per magazine.

This could be a magazine related problem but still, did anyone else experience this problem with a pistol like Rami D ??

Expert opinions are welcome plz.

It purely is mag related issue Aquarius bro; quick & effective solution is what AK bro suggested.
If you think like me & enjoy playing with wrongs to turn them into rights, just tell me what exactly the FTF was? was it double feed, nose dive, half chambering etc and was your slide locking after last round (on 14 round magazine)?

One more thing to notice does both mags lock in mag catch same way, I mean any difference when catch is engaged or any play in 14 round mag once it is fully caught? you also can check if both mags sit exactly same in mag well by keeping the slide locked back & inserting mags with rounds (or a snap caps to be on safer side) to observe any difference in seating & round alignment with the feed ramp.

Hope we will find a solution to this problem soon if you already have not adopted AK bro's way ;)

Skeeter60
10-11-2011, 08:07 PM
Dis assemble the magazine clean re assemble correctly it should be ok

Aquarius
12-11-2011, 12:58 AM
@AK47.. thanks for the humble suggestion.. would love to have another 10 rounder for this baby & I really mean it.


It purely is mag related issue Aquarius bro; quick & effective solution is what AK bro suggested.
If you think like me & enjoy playing with wrongs to turn them into rights, just tell me what exactly the FTF was? was it double feed, nose dive, half chambering etc and was your slide locking after last round (on 14 round magazine)?

One more thing to notice does both mags lock in mag catch same way, I mean any difference when catch is engaged or any play in 14 round mag once it is fully caught? you also can check if both mags sit exactly same in mag well by keeping the slide locked back & inserting mags with rounds (or a snap caps to be on safer side) to observe any difference in seating & round alignment with the feed ramp.

Hope we will find a solution to this problem soon if you already have not adopted AK bro's way ;)

@Denovo.. bro there was no double feed at all.. atleast as far as I remember, 2 rounds were nose dived.. all others were half chambered.. the slide lock very well after the last round fired..
Both magazines settles in the well very well.

@Skeeter.. Sir the magazine was disassembled & was cleaned twice but the problem still persist.

Skeeter60
12-11-2011, 02:21 AM
I have also experienced the nose diving of a round in the Rami with a 14 shot Magazine. It occurred after about 300 or so rounds but it was enough to make me carry 10 shot magazines now.

Aquarius
12-11-2011, 10:45 AM
I have also experienced the nose diving of a round in the Rami with a 14 shot Magazine. It occurred after about 300 or so rounds but it was enough to make me carry 10 shot magazines now.

Humm.. So you also experienced nose diving with 14 rounder Sir.. now I am on my way looking for more 10 rounders.. thanks.

AK47
12-11-2011, 11:19 AM
Humm.. So you also experienced nose diving with 14 rounder Sir.. now I am on my way looking for more 10 rounders.. thanks.

Lolz! Keep one more spare, if possible!


Regards.

Denovo87
12-11-2011, 12:13 PM
A pictorial explaining how various mags sit/lock in rami's frame, here I used same ammo, one round in each mag and mags are Rami's 10 rounder, 14 rounder and cz75's 16 rounder,

Rami's 10 rounder:

5605

Rami's 14 rounder:

5606

CZ75 16 rounder:

5607




Although I never experienced mag related FTF's in Rami using all 4 different mags I have (Rami 10, Rami 14, CZ75 16, Phantom' 18) but after Aquarius bro's observation checked this issue thoroughly and found 10 round mag supplied with Rami is the best fit, just see the round case distance from ejector in above photos.
Now we have enough food for though to take this discussion further, so lets do some brain storming ;)

AK47
12-11-2011, 12:55 PM
^Nice microscopy done there, love your knack for the details and x-raying lust, lol!

Well, I can see "contact" with the round in the 10 rounder, and missing of the same with the other's, so did I scan your effort rightly?


Thanks Den for the inside show.


Regards.

zainulabdeen
12-11-2011, 01:39 PM
a very good demonstration brother denovo . excellent pictorial . u are a gun enthusiast in true spirit.

Skeeter60
12-11-2011, 02:24 PM
I just found out the problem exists with the 10 round magazine as well. I went on the CZ site and found out the problem lies with the SLIDE RELEASE and FEED RAMP.
The Feed Ramp should be polished to a miror finish without changing its angle or using any course material, jewelers rouge or car polish compound is ideal.
The Slide Release Detente is to be slightly deburred and angle changed, I will try to post the pictures or seek Abbas (Admin ) for his help to post it and the problem will be over.

AK47
12-11-2011, 02:31 PM
I just found out the problem exists with the 10 round magazine as well. I went on the CZ site and found out the problem lies with the SLIDE RELEASE and FEED RAMP.
The Feed Ramp should be polished to a miror finish without changing its angle or using any course material, jewelers rouge or car polish compound is ideal.
The Slide Release Detente is to be slightly deburred and angle changed, I will try to post the pictures or seek Abbas (Admin ) for his help to post it and the problem will be over.

Gosh! Kahin 'Munni" badnaam toh nahin honne wali? Lol!

I can see all Rami's out for firing soon, lol! Well, I suppose it is not a common problem, is it? Have not had any issues with mine, in so far +100 shots.

Polishing the feed ramp with car wax is easy, just use a microfiber cloth to do it with, yet as for the slide release, well, that's seems like a bit more complicated venture, doesn't it?


Regards.

Aquarius
12-11-2011, 11:54 PM
I just found out the problem exists with the 10 round magazine as well. I went on the CZ site and found out the problem lies with the SLIDE RELEASE and FEED RAMP.
The Feed Ramp should be polished to a miror finish without changing its angle or using any course material, jewelers rouge or car polish compound is ideal.
The Slide Release Detente is to be slightly deburred and angle changed, I will try to post the pictures or seek Abbas (Admin ) for his help to post it and the problem will be over.

Sir I think the Rami D has already a deburred slide release/slide stop.
Sorry for the photography but I think it will be enough for your concept.

The left one is the regular slide release supplied by the CZ for CZ 75B/85 Combat.. the center one is supplied with the CZ 97B as it has a large cartridge size hence less chanch to FTF with a larger caliber like .45ACP.. the right one came with Rami, which I think is quite deburred, further deburring will won't stop the slide as it will not be in contact with the cartridge follower of the magazine, I guess so.

http://i1235.photobucket.com/albums/ff423/asghar7/121120113723.jpg


http://i1235.photobucket.com/albums/ff423/asghar7/121120113718.jpg


http://i1235.photobucket.com/albums/ff423/asghar7/121120113720.jpg

Aquarius
13-11-2011, 12:01 AM
@Denovo brother.. excellent pectorial explanation.. really admire.
BTW which round was there in those beautiful pictures.. its JHP but which one ??

Denovo87
13-11-2011, 03:32 PM
@Denovo brother.. excellent pectorial explanation.. really admire.
BTW which round was there in those beautiful pictures.. its JHP but which one ??

Thanks Aquarius bro; round is normal prvi partizan JHP.

cucko
16-07-2012, 03:30 AM
Inspired from Abbas's discussion and convinced from personal defense requirements, I have bought CZ-Rami. It is a masterpiece of art of armory. Having almost no experience in shooting, I threw down the brick on first shot.
Since photography is my passion, so I decided to take picture of this gun and post on this forum.11397

Asif Ali
16-07-2012, 10:22 AM
Inspired from Abbas's discussion and convinced from personal defense requirements, I have bought CZ-Rami. It is a masterpiece of art of armory. Having almost no experience in shooting, I threw down the brick on first shot.
Since photography is my passion, so I decided to take picture of this gun and post on this forum.11397
Congratulations bro.
Please share price and dealer:)

cucko
16-07-2012, 02:44 PM
National Traders, Lahore. Price is 120K.

Asif Ali
16-07-2012, 04:51 PM
National Traders, Lahore. Price is 120K.

Bro. is it lowest price quoted to you. Did you try PARA and others?

cucko
16-07-2012, 06:34 PM
All I know it is a golden gun!!!!!! Actually I did not try PARA
11400

cz-duty fan
16-07-2012, 09:51 PM
Bro. is it lowest price quoted to you. Did you try PARA and others?

even i bought Rami lately at 120k. but this was karachi's price.

cz-duty fan
16-07-2012, 09:53 PM
All I know it is a golden gun!!!!!! Actually I did not try PARA
11400

u got two 10 round magazines or one 10 and one 14 round magazine? my 14 round magazine was giving issues. read reviews on the internet that 14 round magazines have given issues to many people worldwide. make sure u try the 14 round magazine several times before using it for self defense.

DOM
17-07-2012, 01:24 AM
National Traders, Lahore. Price is 120K.

In 120 this is a good deal comparing to our market rates.
In karachi duty 130

Duty selling here overpriced due to demands. In my view duty rates maximum should be 90k but not possible as dollar also increasing day by day and importers have very good reason to increased the prices

And at last congrats.

cz-duty fan
17-07-2012, 03:33 AM
In 120 this is a good deal comparing to our market rates.
In karachi duty 130

Duty selling here overpriced due to demands. In my view duty rates maximum should be 90k but not possible as dollar also increasing day by day and importers have very good reason to increased the prices

And at last congrats.

i bought rami for 120k recently from karachi only.
duty's price 95k

Asif Ali
17-07-2012, 10:05 AM
i bought rami for 120k recently from karachi only.
duty's price 95k

Bro. you were searching 10-round magazine for RAMI. Any success?

cz-duty fan
17-07-2012, 03:27 PM
Bro. you were searching 10-round magazine for RAMI. Any success?

yes bro.. i actually went to a few dealers asking for the 10 round magazine. one dealer gave me the offer of exchanging a 10 round mag with the 14 round mag along with charging me 3k rupees. i was ok with it. better to pay 3k n be psychologically satisfied with my gun i guess. tried the new 10 round magazine at the range. worked flawlessly :)

ACHILLES
17-07-2012, 09:53 PM
yes bro.. I actually went to a few dealers asking for the 10 round magazine. One dealer gave me the offer of exchanging a 10 round mag with the 14 round mag along with charging me 3k rupees. I was ok with it. Better to pay 3k n be psychologically satisfied with my gun i guess. Tried the new 10 round magazine at the range. Worked flawlessly :)
good for you bro, have a flawless shooting with rami.

cucko
25-07-2012, 02:37 AM
Abass Sb! I want to contact you, Pl give your number????????????? I need it.

cz-duty fan
26-07-2012, 04:28 PM
good for you bro, have a flawless shooting with rami.

thank u sir :)

ali110
05-10-2012, 01:42 AM
National Traders, Lahore. Price is 120K.OMG ,120k For This Tiny ....????

It should be Under 30k ...Our Govt is Looting us

Enigmatic Desires
05-10-2012, 02:28 AM
A.. CZ.. Rami.. An original CZ rami should be under 30k. hmm that means the Chinese TT should be around what. 2k and as for locals. We should be able to get a few free with every imported purchase.

ali110
05-10-2012, 02:31 AM
A.. CZ.. Rami.. An original CZ rami should be under 30k. hmm that means the Chinese TT should be around what. 2k and as for locals. We should be able to get a few free with every imported purchase.haha .....
Sir ,we are paying Heavy illegal Tax on All Purchase ,

Enigmatic Desires
05-10-2012, 02:48 AM
haha .....
Sir ,we are paying Heavy illegal Tax on All Purchase ,

On Glocks yes.. On S&W yes. But i have never heard of a CZ going for the rates of a Glock. It may be more then the international market. but that's it really. Around 60k or so. And the dealers make a whopping profit. But other CZs are around 1000$+ and are available at slightly more rates here.

A Glock on the other hand may set U back by 4500+$s while the international price is well below 1000$s.

I certainly wont classify hte CZ range in that category.

SIGlock
05-10-2012, 12:08 PM
I am also quite tempted to get one, but bit afraid of the reviews that I've read about this gun giving problem when used with 14 round mags... I might be wrong, but to me it sounds like a magazine spring problem... May be a weak spring is being used...!!! If a 10 round magazine spring is installed in a 14 round magazine tube, then the spring will not be able to push the bullets upwards with that power... But besides this, I've heard people using 14 round magazines without any problem at all....!!! Really confused... need advices.....!!!

babaz7
05-10-2012, 12:12 PM
I am also quite tempted to get one, but bit afraid of the reviews that I've read about this gun giving problem when used with 14 round mags... I might be wrong, but to me it sounds like a magazine spring problem... May be a weak spring is being used...!!! If a 10 round magazine spring is installed in a 14 round magazine tube, then the spring will not be able to push the bullets upwards with that power... But besides this, I've heard people using 14 round magazines without any problem at all....!!! Really confused... need advices.....!!!

need advise from a person who had a rami? dont buy it!

SIGlock
05-10-2012, 12:20 PM
need advise from a person who had a rami? dont buy it!
Thank you babaz7 brother... I know you had it and then sold it, read it on another forum... Was the problem only with the 14 round magazine or had other problems as well... I'll really appreciate if you could share some details...

Asif Ali
05-10-2012, 02:49 PM
I am also quite tempted to get one, but bit afraid of the reviews that I've read about this gun giving problem when used with 14 round mags... I might be wrong, but to me it sounds like a magazine spring problem... May be a weak spring is being used...!!! If a 10 round magazine spring is installed in a 14 round magazine tube, then the spring will not be able to push the bullets upwards with that power... But besides this, I've heard people using 14 round magazines without any problem at all....!!! Really confused... need advices.....!!!

Bro. I use it and carry it with 10 round magazine. In my opinion it is meant for 10 round magazine to make it "SMALL WONDER". With 14 round magazine its charm is lost. However I have been firing both 10 & 14 round magazine and never had any problem :) If you want RAMI, on safe side buy it with two 10 round magazines :)
If i am not wrong, only two members from karachi complaint about 14 round magazine. I doubt it could be the same piece which babaz7 sold out!

Aquarius
05-10-2012, 03:05 PM
If i am not wrong, only two members from karachi complaint about 14 round magazine. I doubt it could be the same piece which babaz7 sold out!
And what about members from Peshawar and Lahore complaining about it.. is that the same piece too.

SIGlock
05-10-2012, 03:28 PM
And what about members from Peshawar and Lahore complaining about it.. is that the same piece too.
Actually my cousin (in Khi) recently bought a Rami that came with two 14 round mags and thought himself to be lucky as normally it comes with a 10 rounds and a 14 rounds mag... But his happiness turned into tension and depression... He tried both mags putting 14 rounds in each and both failed to feed after 2-3 shots fired... Somebody told him it was the ammo issue as Rami was "ammo sensitive" which was way too difficult for me to digest because I consider CZ's as category "A" pistols and can't be ammo sensitive.... Anyway, after wasting approx 100 rounds of different brands i.e. Chinese, S&B etc he went back to the shop and took all his frustration out on the shopkeeper who had sold that piece to him... In short, he got it replaced with another Rami having a 10 round and a 14 round mag... He tried both the mags twice i.e. 28 rounds through 14 rounds mag and 20 though the 10 round mag... Worked flawlessly, so he took it and went back home... This is the reason why I'm so confused about whether I should buy it or not....???

SIGlock
05-10-2012, 03:36 PM
And what about members from Peshawar and Lahore complaining about it.. is that the same piece too.
Aquarius brother I agree with you... There are guys, who are overwhelmed with this gun and then there are guys who are completely disappointed with it... But whoever had a problem with Rami had it only with the 14 rounder not with the 10 rounder... Which proves that the problem is with the 14 rounds mag not with the gun... And if 14 rounds mag is failing to feed then the problem is with the spring... Right...???

Aquarius
05-10-2012, 03:59 PM
Cant say anything.. have owned it twice & returned it bcoz of the same reason.. now I am a happy P01 owner.

cz-duty fan
05-10-2012, 04:00 PM
even my rami was giving issues with the 14 round magazine. got it replaced n now ive two 10 round mags. working flawlessly now.

SIGlock
05-10-2012, 10:10 PM
Cant say anything.. have owned it twice & returned it bcoz of the same reason.. now I am a happy P01 owner.
Brother I've been looking for a P01 but haven't been able to find one.... Could you please advise where I could get it from and for how much...???

Aquarius
07-10-2012, 04:03 PM
Brother I've been looking for a P01 but haven't been able to find one.... Could you please advise where I could get it from and for how much...???
Sorry for the late reply.. bro I bought it few months back from Fakhr e Alam of Peshawar for 100K.. don't know about its availability rite now.. will inform you tomorrow Inshallah.. you can also ask for its availability from National Traders Lahore.

SIGlock
07-10-2012, 09:50 PM
Sorry for the late reply.. bro I bought it few months back from Fakhr e Alam of Peshawar for 100K.. don't know about its availability rite now.. will inform you tomorrow Inshallah.. you can also ask for its availability from National Traders Lahore.
No problem brother... I did check with Fakhr-e-Alam almost a month ago, but unfortunately he didn't have it.... :-( I really like CZ P01 and checked even Karachi's market, but somehow couldn't find it.... :-(

Aquarius
08-10-2012, 03:18 PM
SIGlock bro checked with few dealers but unfortunately its out of stalk presently.. you have to wait for the new shipment.

Regards.

SIGlock
08-10-2012, 09:49 PM
SIGlock bro checked with few dealers but unfortunately its out of stalk presently.. you have to wait for the new shipment.

Regards.
Thank you brother... Any idea how long will the new shipment take...??? :-(

Dr Zakir
02-12-2012, 05:13 PM
Today fired About 200 rounds of ammo with RAmi 100 with 10round magazine and 100with 14 round magazine no problem with 10 round magazine but with 14 round magazine there were nose dive problem in each. Magazine. I think it is due to the lower part of magazine which is not setting properly . I am going to get the magazine changed and further evaluate

Denovo87
10-02-2013, 05:18 PM
Today fired About 200 rounds of ammo with RAmi 100 with 10round magazine and 100with 14 round magazine no problem with 10 round magazine but with 14 round magazine there were nose dive problem in each. Magazine. I think it is due to the lower part of magazine which is not setting properly . I am going to get the magazine changed and further evaluate

Tried Rami just to reconfirm if 14 round mag is working properly; shot full 14 round mag with S&B hollow points quite fast (in about one minute) without a problem of any sort; below is the target photo. Shot these 14 rounds aiming right on the bull but shot very low 3 round even landed below the chart. Then shot full 10 round mag using Chinese red box aiming at two different locations to accommodate my chronic shooting low n left problem and to get all 10 atleast at target chart ;) there was not any problem in this mag as well.

Distance was 15 meters.


http://i577.photobucket.com/albums/ss220/denovo87/Range%20n%20Targets/Ramitested10-2-13_zps235def06.jpg

Aquarius
10-02-2013, 05:26 PM
You are a very lucky man Den bro.

Denovo87
10-02-2013, 05:34 PM
You are a very lucky man Den bro.

Thanks Aquarius bro; I am not sure if its luck or my habit of fiddling with the things ;) as I just foiled upper walls (that touches the mag well) of magazine spacer sleeve as it felt 14 round mag was not seating/locking as positive as 10 rounder was. Now both mags are seating the same way, I posted photos somewhere showing how differently both Rami mags seat; just found that post: http://www.pakguns.com/showthread.php?4349-The-Small-Wonder-CZ-RAMI-Review&p=225103&viewfull=1#post225103 .

Asif Ali
10-02-2013, 07:01 PM
Thanks Aquarius bro; I am not sure if its luck or my habit of fiddling with the things ;) as I just foiled upper walls (that touches the mag well) of magazine spacer sleeve as it felt 14 round mag was not seating/locking as positive as 10 rounder was. Now both mags are seating the same way, I posted photos somewhere showing how differently both Rami mags seat.

A karachi member "Awais" also did the same thing with 14 round magazine, and his RAMI since then is working perfectly with both 10 round and 14 round magazines :)
However I never faced any problem with either of the 10 or 14 round magazine :) Both work flawlessly.

AK47
10-02-2013, 09:27 PM
@Den........Though it's fine to see that you somehow managed flawless performance from the 14 shots mag - and not meaning to sound disheartening - I just couldn't help laughing a bit on the placement of shots vis-a-vis the 2 points of aim elaboration of your's, lol!

Bro, it totally negates the very purpose of keeping a handgun, if you have to aim for the head and still only get to the poor soul's bal$$$$$!

I received a set of laser boresights lately, laser placed within the 9mm shell, and I'll be working a bit soon to locate the actual POI vs POA difference of the Rami, yet your shots above - regardless of being from a speed drill - do somehow confirm to me the validity of my dubiousness about the Rami and cast shadows on my future with it.

It's such a solid, beautiful piece of steel...........yet, alas!


Regards.

Denovo87
10-02-2013, 10:07 PM
@Den........Though it's fine to see that you somehow managed flawless performance from the 14 shots mag - and not meaning to sound disheartening - I just couldn't help laughing a bit on the placement of shots vis-a-vis the 2 points of aim elaboration of your's, lol!

Bro, it totally negates the very purpose of keeping a handgun, if you have to aim for the head and still only get to the poor soul's bal$$$$$!

I received a set of laser boresights lately, laser placed within the 9mm shell, and I'll be working a bit soon to locate the actual POI vs POA difference of the Rami, yet your shots above - regardless of being from a speed drill - do somehow confirm to me the validity of my dubiousness about the Rami and cast shadows on my future with it.

It's such a solid, beautiful piece of steel...........yet, alas!


Regards.

Its not the Rami AK bro; its me n only me shooting every handgun low be it a Beretta or Sig or Glock; but with Rami I wont be shooting at 15 meters in the time of need (God forbid) and I shoot quite straight from 10 meters and less ;) have adjustable sights on Buckmark & TS both have been adjusted to my typical grip, sighting, stance, trigger squeeze etc and I shoot both of these in n around the bull all day long.

Regarding laser bore sighting the pistol; you know I have laser guide rod for G17 and it is dead zero at 25 meters when seeing through sights but I put bullets on my usual place (low n left) even with that ;)

AK47
10-02-2013, 10:18 PM
Thanks Denovo bro for the elaboration with respect to your personal tendency for lower placed shots. I take it that you have a flinching issue, like most of us have. I still remember shooting the 1.st shot out of your Buckmark and finding it at the bottom of the chart, realizing that I was expecting a 9mm kind of recoil! Then, if you remember, once the flinching was controlled, remaining shots were mostly bulls and I fell in love there on the spot!

Anyhow, you gave me a a gist to shoot out the Rami after so long, before I decide on it's fate within my closet.

Regards.

MHMalik
11-02-2013, 09:05 AM
@Denovo Sir the POIs are classic recoil compensation symptoms. Experiment with the tightness of the grip, your stance and squeeze the trigger like a D/A revolver I am certain you will be hitting bulls eye in no time :)

How is the trigger on the RAMI? how much play? the break point and follow through?