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SHOTGUNNER
05-10-2010, 02:16 AM
aslam-o-alikum
all members. i just want to know what is the priece of parker hale 7x57 rifle or (mauser) and can we use 7mm remington magnum ammunition in it.i have been told that their is no diffrence between 7mm and 7x57mm is it right.

Denovo87
05-10-2010, 01:46 PM
Mazher bro, price ranges between 35-45k.

7X57, 7mm Mauser and our local slang 7mm are names for one same thing.
NO, you cannot use 7mm Rem. mag. in a rifle chambered for 7X57.

Avais
05-10-2010, 02:11 PM
Mazhar brother yes 7mm and 7x57 is the same caliber.

Avais
05-10-2010, 02:12 PM
Mazher brother 7mm magnum amunition can not be used in regular 7mm or 7X57

Faisal Aziz
05-10-2010, 03:58 PM
Mazher bro, price ranges between 35-45k.

7X57, 7mm Mauser and our local slang 7mm are names for one same thing.
NO, you cannot use 7mm Rem. mag. in a rifle chambered for 7X57.
+1

SHOTGUNNER
05-10-2010, 04:04 PM
thank you denovo87 avais and faisal aziz sahib for shareing information with us.thank you vary much again brother is their any reason why we can,t use 7mm magnum amunition in these when they are same caliber.can you please explan what is the best amunition can be used in these caliber for long rang shooting and hunting.

Rasal.Saleh
05-10-2010, 05:47 PM
Because the case length of both these cartridges is diffrent 7mm rem mag is 7x64 while normal 7mm is 7 x57.
Also The powder charge in 7mm rem mag is higher and that leads to higher chamber pressures if somehow you were able to fire a 7mm rem mag from a 7mm rifle( which I think is not really possible) it would not be safe.


Regards

Avais
05-10-2010, 08:26 PM
Rasal.Saleh: Brother great and simple explanation :)

SHOTGUNNER
05-10-2010, 09:02 PM
thank you vary much rana rasal sahib

i really appreciate this.the outher question i did ask what is the best cartridges for 7x57 for long rang shooting and hunting.can you do little explanation on this please.

hskhan2k2
05-10-2010, 10:30 PM
parker hale 7mm 2nd hand in good cond u can buy around 35,000 rs....in karachi.......

Skeeter60
05-10-2010, 10:37 PM
A 7mm Rem Magnum will not and can not enter the chamber of the 7x57. (thank God; otherwise there would be a lot of hunters without their heads on the shoulders over here).
@Mazher Rehman
For long range shooting with the 7x57 use 140 grain to 150 grain bullets as these will give you a good balance of velocity and the bullets will give you optimal trajectory.

Rasal.Saleh
05-10-2010, 10:41 PM
thank you vary much rana rasal sahib

i really appreciate this.the outher question i did ask what is the best cartridges for 7x57 for long rang shooting and hunting.can you do little explanation on this please.


Rasal.Saleh: Brother great and simple explanation :)

The pleasure was all mine Brothers.


Regards

SHOTGUNNER
06-10-2010, 05:51 PM
thank you vary much

skeeter60 and rana rasal sahib and all outher mambers who has participated in this topic and shared their knowledge and exprence thanks all of you again.

SHOTGUNNER
07-10-2010, 10:43 PM
aslam-o-alikum
all members

i have got a question again has any body got any idea what is the price of 7x64mm new and used.and can any body explain me how these caliber works like.223 .243 .250 .257 .264 .270 .280 .284 .308 .30-30 .30-06 .300 .303 .35 .350 .357 .358 .375 .416 .44 .45-70 .458 .460 i mean what they are equal to like 6.5mm 7mm 8mm 9mm ext.and what caliber is good for long rang shooting and long rang hunting.

SHOTGUNNER
08-10-2010, 02:30 PM
come on guys
some body should know some thing about these calibers.

Skeeter60
08-10-2010, 09:46 PM
aslam-o-alikum
all members

i have got a question again has any body got any idea what is the price of 7x64mm new and used.and can any body explain me how these caliber works like.223 .243 .250 .257 .264 .270 .280 .284 .308 .30-30 .30-06 .300 .303 .35 .350 .357 .358 .375 .416 .44 .45-70 .458 .460 i mean what they are equal to like 6.5mm 7mm 8mm 9mm ext.and what caliber is good for long rang shooting and long rang hunting.

Mazhar Rehman Sahab
Well there are many senior and experienced gentlemen on this forum who know all about the calibers you mentioned.
As a matter of fact with the exception of two I reload and even cast own bullets for most of these calibers.
I will suggest you stick to the 7mm and learn to use it with practice. Major W.D.M Bell ( known commonly as Karammojo Bell of Africa )who shot more than 1200 elephants used mostly a 7x57 and a 6.5.
I am not suggesting any one try it,
he knew what he was doing and was a master of drilling the elephants brain at most angles.

SHOTGUNNER
09-10-2010, 03:15 PM
thank you vary much

skeeter60 sahib
sir i just want to know these caliber ihave mention above because i have not got a clue about these calibers.what they are equal to. i know about parker hale 7x57 because my dad has got one he bougt it of some body some time ago.i never saw him using for hunting apart from few time target shooting.i never used it. i am thinking about bring it back to the action if you don;t mind can you please put a bit light on these caliber what they are equal to.thanks

Denovo87
09-10-2010, 03:41 PM
Mazhar Rehman bro, the figures you gave are basically names of cartridges that were invented and named in inches, you dont have to convert them to metric (that is mm), if you think it necessary then a very simple method is, multiply the caliber (in inches you want to convert into mm) with 25.58 and you will get a figure that will approximate the mm equivalent of that caliber.

i.e. .303 x 25.58= 7.75 mm ..... but there is no such caliber/cartridge with the name 7.75mm :)

SHOTGUNNER
09-10-2010, 04:30 PM
thank you vary much
denovo8
for your brief details.now i have got some sence about it.the reasion i have asked this because i heard that though the 7mm or 7x57mm are not popular today 7mm or 7x57mm is still produced by most major ammunition manufacturers and many modern rifle are available chambered for the cartridge.can you tell tell me please if any of those above can be used in 7mm or 7x57mm. thank you

Denovo87
09-10-2010, 05:29 PM
Mazhaer bro, you have to be very careful about the rifle ammo, always use the ammo that the rifle is made/chambered for. So for 7X57 rifle only 7X57 ammo, nothing else.

SHOTGUNNER
09-10-2010, 06:15 PM
thanks denovo87 sahib

we can not use eaven similer caliber like 7mm, 7mm-08, .270

sir as you have mentioned in your early post that 7mm and 7x57mm are the two difrent names for the same thing.what about 7mm-08, .270 .28 are these are same as 7mm or 7x57mm.thank you

Denovo87
09-10-2010, 06:31 PM
Mazher bro, its not only diameter of bullet we have to consider but the whole cartridge itself including the case/neck/shoulder/base diameters n lengths beside the chamber pressure that bullet is loaded on.

Brother, when its said NOTHING ELSE THAN THE CARTRIDGE THE RIFLE IS MADE/CHAMBERED FOR you should take it as basic rule before getting into rifles.

.45lover
09-10-2010, 10:15 PM
aslam-o-alikum
all members. i just want to know what is the priece of parker hale 7x57 rifle or (mauser) and can we use 7mm remington magnum ammunition in it.i have been told that their is no diffrence between 7mm and 7x57mm is it right.



one avail with para lahore

SHOTGUNNER
10-10-2010, 03:21 PM
aslam-o-alikum
thank you vary much denovo87 sahib sir ok i have got this we can only use what eaver rifle chamber is made for.the other question i have asked what is different between 7mm-08 .270 and .28 compare to 7mm like rana rasal sahib has mentioned in his post above that 7mm rem mag is basically 7x64.and 7mm is 7x57.thanks

SAKEETER60 and RANA SAHIB
whear are you sir i havn,t received your comment for a while you are some of the expert member how could you miss this sir

Rasal.Saleh
10-10-2010, 05:35 PM
Sir first of all, I am not compareable to Skeeter Sb and all other senior members,
My age is actually less than thier shooting experience.
and most of my knowledge comes from books and magazines that i have read over the years, also the internet has helped.
7mm-08, Is basically a smaller version of .308 the cartridge case is a bit longer and it is shrinked in the front to accept the 7mm bullet.
Its a popular cartridge abroad.
.270 winchester
is from the legendary 30-06, cartridge dimensions are 6.8x65 mm and very popular for big game hunting and long rage hunting because of multiple bullet weights and a flatter trajectory.

Source: American Ammunition and Ballistics.

I will leave all the other practical pros and cons to somebody like Sir Skeeter.

Regards

SHOTGUNNER
12-10-2010, 03:44 PM
rana rasal sahib;
thank you vary much for your detail sir.actually my point was is there any other caliber equal to 7mm or 7x57mm. i read it some where though the 7x57 or 7mm not popular today the 7x57 or 7mm still produced by major ammunition manufacturer and most modern rifles are available chambered for the cartridge.as you have mention in your earley post that 7mm and 7x57 are two different name for the same thing. i just want to know if any of the caliber i have mention above is eaqul to 7mm or 7x57mm.can you give us brief detail about this please.thank you

SHOTGUNNER
12-10-2010, 09:08 PM
rana rasal sahib;
thank you vary much for your detail sir.actually my point was is there any other caliber equal to 7mm or 7x57mm. i read it some where though the 7x57 or 7mm not popular today the 7x57 or 7mm still produced by major ammunition manufacturer and most modern rifles are available chambered for the cartridge.as you have mention in your earley post that 7mm and 7x57 are two different name for the same thing. i just want to know if any of the caliber i have mention above is eaqul to 7mm or 7x57mm.can you give us brief detail about this please.thank you



RANA SAHIB I AM STILL WATING FOR YOUR COMMENT SIR

enge.ashfaq cheema
18-03-2011, 09:40 PM
@ all dear brother
some important information for hunter------------DEADLY SHOT
That limit allows you to use the following cartridge/bullet combinations: .303 with a 190-grain bullet, 7x57 mauser Rifle with a 150-grain, 6.5x55 with 140-grain, .30-06 with 180-grain, and 8x57 with a 180-grain. Every one of those combinations is proved deadly on plains hunting game.

Survivalist
04-07-2011, 03:09 AM
A 7mm Rem Magnum will not and can not enter the chamber of the 7x57. (thank God; otherwise there would be a lot of hunters without their heads on the shoulders over here).

Was reviewing this old thread in search of some info...

Ha ha ha, sorry but I could not stop my spontaneous laughter visualizing "Headless Hunters". Although as Sir Skeeter & Sir Abass elaborated in GTG, there are real Headless Shooters, "one who commit aerial firing". Authority entails responsibility and one who is authorized to keep firearm should and must demonstrate maximum responsibility in use of firearm.

Skeeter60
11-07-2011, 07:46 PM
aslam-o-alikum
thank you vary much denovo87 sahib sir ok i have got this we can only use what eaver rifle chamber is made for.the other question i have asked what is different between 7mm-08 .270 and .28 compare to 7mm like rana rasal sahib has mentioned in his post above that 7mm rem mag is basically 7x64.and 7mm is 7x57.
SAKEETER60 and RANA SAHIB
whear are you sir i havn,t received your comment for a while you are some of the expert member how could you miss this sir

There are a very large number of 7mms;
I am mentioning their names and introductions only as under:
7mm Mauser or 7X57 or 7mm as known over here
7 mm Remington Magnum
7mm Rem Ultra Short Action Ultra Magnum
7mm Winchest Short Magnum
7X 64 Brenneke A German Cal
7x 61 Sharp & Hart
7X 57 R . Rimmed for use in Drillings and Double rifles
7mm 08. A 7mm bullet in a necked down .308 case
280 Remington aka 7mm Express
280 Ross ( obsolete)
275 H&H ( obsolescent )
7mm Weatherby Magnum
7mm Mashburn Magnum
7mm Eastern magnum
7mm Shooting Times Westerner Magnum
7 mm Ultra Magnum
284 winchester
7-30 Waters
7mm Whisper
7mm JDJ
7mm-30 JDJ
7.21 Toma Hawk
7mm Dakota
7.21 Fire Hawk
7mm Canadian Magnum
7.21 Fire Bird
280 British
276 Enfield
276 Pederson
275 Rigby
275 Flanged H&H Magnum
275 No 2 Rigby Magnum Flanged and also Rimless
280 Jeffery
7X33 Finnish Sako
7X 65 R Brenneke
7X66 Vom Hofe
7X72 mm R
7X73 Vom Hofe Belted
7X75 mmR Vom Hofe Super Express
The Above Cartridges are all 7mm and current except the ones I have mentioned as obsolete .
Thank God we only have 3 or 4 types and those in good hands, other than the one commonly known as (7m de raffle) imagine the number of accidents over here as not a single one is interchange able with the other.

Skeeter60
11-07-2011, 07:49 PM
@ Mazhar Rehman brother since you asked for it; at your service

PUNJTANI5
15-08-2011, 06:46 PM
parker & hale is just like parker pen of guns

good hand writing / good aim

25-35k price range for old
if any one is ediot enough to sell his own beauty

SHOTGUNNER
29-09-2011, 06:09 PM
first of all thank you vary much.
skeeter60, survivalist,
and all other member who has participate in this topic.i have been busy for some time could not check my post i really apologize for this.the information has been given hear is vary useful for me and for other who has been through this thread.

Shano Shah
17-10-2011, 09:57 AM
Because the case length of both these cartridges is diffrent 7mm rem mag is 7x64 while normal 7mm is 7 x57.
Also The powder charge in 7mm rem mag is higher and that leads to higher chamber pressures if somehow you were able to fire a 7mm rem mag from a 7mm rifle( which I think is not really possible) it would not be safe.


Regards

7x64 is entirely a different Rimless cartridge, a rimmed version is 7x65R. Where as 7mm Mag case has a Belt with 63.5 mm length.

enge.ashfaq cheema
17-11-2011, 12:26 AM
yes they is lot of difference between 7 mm and 7x57,plz do not use 7mm bullet in 7x57 according my past experience and it was very bad for me.

Plezier
02-12-2011, 07:36 PM
Part of the problem here is the misuse of the term calibre. Calibre is size of bore and bears no relation to the actual cartridge case attached to the bullet. Now I noticed in the list of 7mm's posted the .280 Ross was included. The trouble there is that the .280 Ross does not use the normally accepted now size of 0.284" bullet but uses bullets of 0.287" diameter. The .280 Nitro also uses this larger bullet as it's just a lower pressure version of the Ross made for Mauser and other rifle actions. The Ross rifle was much stronger and the proof pressure for the .280 Ross is 28 Tons as can be seen here:-

http://pic20.picturetrail.com/VOL14/134492/1270520/14789651.jpg

The proof pressure for the 270 Winchester and 300 Winchester magnum is only 19 Tons:-

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v166/Brithunter/BSA Monarch 1st pat/P4210074.jpg

May I suggest that you take a look at several ammunition makers sites and compare the various 7mm calibre cartridges and see the difference in the cartridge case shapes and sizes. Here is a link to the Winchester site:-

http://www.winchester.com/Products/rifle-ammunition/Pages/default.aspx

Luckily the original poster will not be able to squeeze a 7mm Remington Magnum into the 7x57's chamber.

Mig
04-12-2011, 03:04 AM
as Sir Skeeter60 and Shano Shah Explained.

7x64 is a Different thing then 7mm REM MAGNUM. 7mm MAG bullet is slightly bigger.

I should add just one thing for the beginners in the field and highly enthusiasts that when we talk in inches like .303 , .22 , .270 We just provide the bullet diameter. ( or the whole RIM diameter which fits in the chamber ). But when we talk in metrics ( millimeter) then the scenario is different. We put the diameter and well as the length of the bullet. Say, 7x57 mm. Means its 7mm is diameter and the length of the bullet is 57mm. Now imagine,

TT pistol, AK-47, Dragunov, ALL are 7mm. ( 7x25 , 7x39, 7x51 respectively)
Now you compare a TT-pistol bullet with a Ak bullet, the diameter is same but the length is different.

Yes again there are minute diameter differences as well so thats why every caliber has a different name :)

Mig
04-12-2011, 03:05 AM
So Mazhar Rehman, you just do one thing. Get a Vernier Calli per and take the 7x57mm Bullet and a TT pistol bullet and a 7x64mm Bullet and measure them. You will never forget this thing again. This is what I did when I was in class 4th :) :). Though at that time I didnt knew all these measurements, it came to my knowledge after a long time later

Sometime there is also difference in diameter so don't get confuse.

Plezier
04-12-2011, 03:53 AM
OK there is lots of confusion here. Terms being used as per hollywood etc. You would have thought with all the money the movie makers spend on their productions and technical advisers they could at least get the terminology correct.


Bullet = Projectile the actual part which is fired through the barrel to the target. These are bullets:-

http://pic20.picturetrail.com/VOL14/134492/1270520/16934851.jpg
In this case 140 grain weight ones of 0.287" diameter for the old .280 Ross or .280 Nitro cartridge.

Cartridge = Case filled with powder and primed with bullet seated. Complete round:-

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v166/Brithunter/280 AI build/PC080087.jpg
Cartridges in this photo 280 Remington and .280 AI (Ackley Improved)


7mm MAG bullet is slightly bigger.

No the cartridge is bigger the bullet is the same diameter. Some may get a bit confused as of course all calibres have a range of bullet weights that are suitable for use in the cartridges of that calibre. For instance 7mm bullets start around 115 grains in weight and go up to 175 grain commonly.

Mig
04-12-2011, 04:31 PM
@Plezier.
Yes you are absolutely right. I always do this mistake to use the word bullet and Cartridge interchangeably for a complete round though even knowing the difference very well.
Thanks for pointing my unintentional mistakes on using terminologies

Plezier
04-12-2011, 05:03 PM
Mig I was not pointing the finger at you as it seems pretty common to misue the terms. Then we wonder why newcomers to shooting get all confused and really it's partly our fault. The more experienced shooters should always try to write and speak correctly or how else will the new comers to our hobby and sport learn correctly?


It's like the Americanism for Bullets :-


Heads

The head of a cartridge of course is where the Headstamp is placed and which has the primer pocket in it's centrer. Surely we must try to encourage our fellow shooters to use the correct terms. I cannot see this slapshod use of terminology being allowed in Cricket or Golf so why should it be allowed to slip in shooting?

Mig
04-12-2011, 05:23 PM
@Plezier
Yes you are right. It will be very good if you explain all these terminologies to provide knowledge to the beginners and correct terminologies for even the experienced users. Visual aid with explanation will be very good.

Parent Case
Bullet Diameter
Neck Diameter
Shoulder Diameter
Base Diameter
Rim Diameter
Case Length
Overall Length
Rifling Twist

Skeeter60
04-12-2011, 05:43 PM
as Sir Skeeter60 and Shano Shah Explained.

7x64 is a Different thing then 7mm REM MAGNUM. 7mm MAG bullet is slightly bigger.

I should add just one thing for the beginners in the field and highly enthusiasts that when we talk in inches like .303 , .22 , .270 We just provide the bullet diameter. ( or the whole RIM diameter which fits in the chamber ). But when we talk in metrics ( millimeter) then the scenario is different. We put the diameter and well as the length of the bullet. Say, 7x57 mm. Means its 7mm is diameter and the length of the bullet is 57mm. Now imagine,

TT pistol, AK-47, Dragunov, ALL are 7mm. ( 7x25 , 7x39, 7x51 respectively)
Now you compare a TT-pistol bullet with a Ak bullet, the diameter is same but the length is different.

Yes again there are minute diameter differences as well so thats why every caliber has a different name :)
Dear MIG
The Calber is 7.62X 39 or AK 47 round is not 7mm, it is also not the same as a 7.62 NATO bullet, the NATO is .308 inches in dia, the AK 47 bullet is .310 inches in dia; so is the Dragunov. ( Bullet Dia only )
The 7.62X 25 is also not 7mm it is again .310 inches in dia.
Kindly see my post on Caliber Confusion.
The complete cartridge name denotes every thing, its bullet dia as given in the name is a general term only.
Like a 7mm Mauser vs 7mm Brenneke, in this case the bullet dia is the same but the cartridge cases are different.
7.62 X51 or NATO has a bullet dia different from the 7.62X39. but when we take the complete name we know all the specifications and measurements.

Mig
04-12-2011, 06:26 PM
@Skeeter60
Sir is it not 7.62 mm x 25 mm ? Dia x Length ? so i just thought 7.62 mm can be nick named as 7mm

Plezier
04-12-2011, 06:46 PM
Mig,

7.62x51 is a .30 Cal using bullets of 0.308" diameter.

7.62x54R (as the Dragunov and Mosin Nagant) is properly a .31 cal using bullets of 0.310" diameter

7mm uses bullets of 0.284" diameter which would be a very lose fit in a 7.62mm case. I doubt one could get the 7.62mm bullet into the 7mm case without wrecking the case.

Skeeter60
05-12-2011, 09:31 AM
[QUOTE=Mig
Sir is it not 7.62 mm x 25 mm ? Dia x Length ? so i just thought 7.62 mm can be nick named as 7mm UNQUOTE]

@MIG
Assumption is the mother of all F*ck ups.
There is one hell of a lot of difference between 7mm and 7.62; also the length is that of the cartridge case.
Like a 7X57 means the bullet is 7mm or .284 inches in dia and the case length is 57 mm.
The calibers correct names are critically important and no changes can be done arbitrarily on assumption.

4311446
05-12-2011, 11:43 AM
[QUOTE=Mig
Sir is it not 7.62 mm x 25 mm ? Dia x Length ? so i just thought 7.62 mm can be nick named as 7mm UNQUOTE]

@MIG
Assumption is the mother of all F*ck ups.
There is one hell of a lot of difference between 7mm and 7.62; also the length is that of the cartridge case.
Like a 7X57 means the bullet is 7mm or .284 inches in dia and the case length is 57 mm.
The calibers correct names are critically important and no changes can be done arbitrarily on assumption.
Adequately made clear Janab.

Mig
05-12-2011, 11:56 AM
@Skeeter60
YEs Sir, THANKS.

Sir, please also tell me what does all these means actually to remove all my assumptive concepts. An explanation with Visual Aid will be very good.

Parent Case
Bullet Diameter
Neck Diameter
Shoulder Diameter
Base Diameter
Rim Diameter
Case Length
Overall Length
Rifling Twist

And any other term you like to tell us more from your vast experience and knowledge. Thanks

Regards

Skeeter60
05-12-2011, 08:47 PM
MIG
You are always welcome.
Parent case; The parent case of a .270 Win is the 30-06 Springfield
The Parent case of the 7mm 08 is the .308 Win; the Parent case of the .300 H&H Magnum, 7mm Rem Mag and the .300 Win mag is the .375 H&H Magnum; the list goes on and on.
Bullet Diameter is bullet diameter in millimeters, or inches but when specific names are attached the named diameter will be different.
Like a .308 Win bullet dia is .308 inches , yet a .300 Win Mag bullet dia is also .308 inches or 7.82 mm, so is the 30-06.
Got a call more later

Skeeter60
06-12-2011, 10:29 AM
A 7.62 X 51 has a bullet dia of 7.82 mm or .308 inches;
a 7.62 X 39 bullet is .310 inches (Kalshnikov)
a .303 bullet is .311 inches
So the complete name shows or means what the bullet dia and case dimensions are; generally American, English and European specially Germans have their own means of showing what exaactly the cartridge is or how to identify it. Yet all also follow each other in some case so there are no strict divisions:
The Germans say 7 X 57, the Americans would identify theirs by saying 7mm Remington Magnum, or 7mm Weatherby magnum; Yet the Germans also have a 7mm Brenneke, a 7mm Vom Hoffe.
The Americans also have a .280 Remington ( a 7mm or .284 in bullet in a necked down 30-06 case elongated by 1 mm to prevent it from chambering in a 30-06.
The Americans also have a 7mm Sharp & Hart, a 7mm Mashburn.
The English have a 7mm Ross, a 300 H&H magnum also a .275H&H and a .375 H&H
The Germans , Europeans and Russians also have names like 7.62 X 54 R
The 7mm 08 means a 7 mm bullet in a .308 cas necked own
Neck Diameter : It is the out side diameter of a case
Shoulder Diameter : It should have been shoulder angle , it is the angle formed between the case body (cylinderical part of the case ) and the start of the case neck
Case Length : It is self explainatory
Cartridge over all Length COL : Length from bullet Tip to the cartridge Base.
Rifling Twist : A characteristic of the weapon barrel which imparts spin to the bullet for stabilization. It is the distance traveled by a bullet to complete one 360 degree turn ( usually 10 inches in a 30-06 and 12 inches in a 308)

Mig
06-12-2011, 04:24 PM
Thank you very Much Sir.. Indeed you are an ocean of knowledge. May Allah give you health. Inshallah if time permits, you should give me lectures on all these things :) :)

SHOTGUNNER
08-12-2011, 05:22 AM
@ all dear brother
some important information for hunter------------DEADLY SHOT
That limit allows you to use the following cartridge/bullet combinations: .303 with a 190-grain bullet, 7x57 mauser Rifle with a 150-grain, 6.5x55 with 140-grain, .30-06 with 180-grain, and 8x57 with a 180-grain. Every one of those combinations is proved deadly on plains hunting game.
ashfaq cheema sahib first of all i am sorry i have not been to this thread for some times thank for your up date yes you are certainly right sir skeeter has already mention it yes in 7x57 140 grain and 150 grain works really well.

SHOTGUNNER
08-12-2011, 05:42 AM
There are a very large number of 7mms;
I am mentioning their names and introductions only as under:
7mm Mauser or 7X57 or 7mm as known over here
7 mm Remington Magnum
7mm Rem Ultra Short Action Ultra Magnum
7mm Winchest Short Magnum
7X 64 Brenneke A German Cal
7x 61 Sharp & Hart
7X 57 R . Rimmed for use in Drillings and Double rifles
7mm 08. A 7mm bullet in a necked down .308 case
280 Remington aka 7mm Express
280 Ross ( obsolete)
275 H&H ( obsolescent )
7mm Weatherby Magnum
7mm Mashburn Magnum
7mm Eastern magnum
7mm Shooting Times Westerner Magnum
7 mm Ultra Magnum
284 winchester
7-30 Waters
7mm Whisper
7mm JDJ
7mm-30 JDJ
7.21 Toma Hawk
7mm Dakota
7.21 Fire Hawk
7mm Canadian Magnum
7.21 Fire Bird
280 British
276 Enfield
276 Pederson
275 Rigby
275 Flanged H&H Magnum
275 No 2 Rigby Magnum Flanged and also Rimless
280 Jeffery
7X33 Finnish Sako
7X 65 R Brenneke
7X66 Vom Hofe
7X72 mm R
7X73 Vom Hofe Belted
7X75 mmR Vom Hofe Super Express
The Above Cartridges are all 7mm and current except the ones I have mentioned as obsolete .
Thank God we only have 3 or 4 types and those in good hands, other than the one commonly known as (7m de raffle) imagine the number of accidents over here as not a single one is interchange able with the other.
skeeter60 sir first of all please do accept my apologize because i have not been to this thread for some time.i have learn a lot about all calibre specially 7x57 and it,s ammunition.thank you sir skeeter avais bahi denovo87 rasal saleh and all other members who have participate hear and kindly answer all of my questions.thanks all of you once again.

enge.ashfaq cheema
08-12-2011, 11:29 PM
@mazher rehman bro thanks once again and always welcome,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,