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AK47
19-09-2010, 10:50 PM
Salaams! With thanks to Rotor who graced me today by coming over to my place in Wah, for some wonderful few hours of gup-shup and lovely discussions, I was finally given a chance to complete the "tactical" customization of my PT 145, in dressing it up with below miniature "beauty", call it "Karishma's Bindiya", ha ha ha! ;)

Gentlemen, a rare gem in Laser-sights for compact models:

Hardly the size of the blue area of my Pine box:

http://s2.postimage.org/aGOEr.jpg (http://postimage.org/image/lonmryhw/)

http://s2.postimage.org/aGW7S.jpg (http://postimage.org/image/losldzz8/)

http://s2.postimage.org/aHa5J.jpg (http://postimage.org/image/lp2im2xw/)

http://s2.postimage.org/aHcAS.jpg (http://postimage.org/image/lp465ffo/)

"Flushed" with the muzzle end:

http://s2.postimage.org/aJsM0.jpg (http://postimage.org/image/lrqfs7l0/)

http://s3.postimage.org/CU2BJ.jpg (http://postimage.org/image/26ysgkvus/)

http://s2.postimage.org/aKaFA.jpg (http://postimage.org/image/lsk7ggh0/)

Sighting: (Note the small reddish dot ahead of the front sight)

http://s3.postimage.org/CUE0S.jpg (http://postimage.org/image/26zh9n39g/)

http://s3.postimage.org/CUry9.jpg (http://postimage.org/image/26z8zycsk/)

http://s2.postimage.org/aLcwi.jpg (http://postimage.org/image/ltr7fhb8/)

Plz note, color of dot is not clear on the pics, it's blood red and clear, very sharp in reality course.

The extra rail at the bottom is "detachable", hence the "depth" of the lasersight can be reduced furtherly by some 7mm's. If needed, a further light can be mounted to this extra rail, one very nice feature indeed. :P

Windage, elavation, both adjustable.

I'll leave remaining comments to Rotor, whom I thank with great indebtedness for making kind of a dream come through. Thanks Rotor, very much, indeed, "Karishma" is complete now! ;)

Naveed_pk
19-09-2010, 11:00 PM
Excellent addition Ak bro. Waiting for the pics since u told me abt this.. One question i am seeing 2 points from front what are they for.. Thanks

Rotorcrafts
19-09-2010, 11:04 PM
It is my pleasure AK sahib and Nice to see the pictures posted. :)

@Naveed Bhai,

Which two points are you referring to?, In my assumption one is the laser module itself and the other is the battery compartment.

Kamran_uk75
19-09-2010, 11:06 PM
nice addition, waiting for accuracy reviews..

Abu Al Hawl
19-09-2010, 11:07 PM
naveed bro, there are two points by seeing from front, one is laser point one is say dummy which is battery cover.

Naveed_pk
19-09-2010, 11:18 PM
Thanks Rotor & Abu al Hawl bro. Just enlarged the pic to see. As i was just checking it via mob Access thats why not very clear..

Saleemullahkhan
19-09-2010, 11:26 PM
Congratulations ... looks like match box size :)

Denovo87
19-09-2010, 11:32 PM
Thats one surprise acquisition Ak bro, hope to see her majesty soon with tactical Bindiya ;)

Bullseye
19-09-2010, 11:36 PM
Mubarkaaan. A real Beauty, Karishma

Apalo
19-09-2010, 11:38 PM
nice to know that your "Karishma have Bindiya now" now waiting for its performance with its bindiya.
Like "bindiya chamkay ge.............." :D

Rotorcrafts
19-09-2010, 11:38 PM
Congratulations ... looks like match box size :)

Actually the match box is a bit bigger than the laser :D . Also the lower rail can be removed so it can be more compact.

bazkhan35
19-09-2010, 11:51 PM
Congrats AK47 for a bindya :)

I expected it be a big but this is one nice compact one.

zuhair_ali20
20-09-2010, 02:17 AM
AK47, thts a nice piece u got there, i was lookin for sumthin very similar for my pt 609, can u tell me from where to get my hands on that beauty and at wat priice?

Rasal.Saleh
20-09-2010, 02:23 AM
Nice Addition Sir to an already beautiful weapon.

If you dont mind me asking Price and availabillity.

Regards

mhrehman
20-09-2010, 04:47 AM
Very nice Ak bro, curious about the brand and even more curious about it retaining zero with .45 coming out of it, please let us know about the review. Congrats bro, looks very nice on the handgun.

AK47
20-09-2010, 10:28 AM
Thanks everybody for the appreciation, the item was a surprise acquisition for myself even. :)

mhrehman/Kamran UK...........Thanks Sirs! Well, as far as the brand/make/finesse of the item is concerned, I'm attaching a few more close ups below.

As far as the review/ "zero retention" is concerned, I shall post on this as soon as I try it out practically, Inshallah. :)

But let me just point out a few observations/expectations of mine on this so far untried issue:

1) Make:

Well, it's an item from Vector Optics, China, and having been in personal contact with this maker since long, as well as with other Chinese manufacturers, I've the impression that Vector makes some of the finest optical items in China, pretty many of their products are being retailed on the U.S.A sites, though with a different "logo" attachment.

2) Zero Retention:

Well, now this is an important and interesting feature indeed, I agree, yet let me put it this way: even If there's a minor deviation from the zero setting of the device - when shooting out of a .45 - I feel it doesn't change much, if the bullet lands an inch, even a few inches, off the absolute bull area of the initial setting. Why? Well, simply because this is not supposed to be an item for routine/range/practice shooting. For that, course you'll need to improve your own sight, and that part of the biz is indispensable.

The use of lasers, in my view, apart from getting the fun out of it, course, is ensuring a reasonably well placed shot without having to aim carefully, especially during a night scene -an offender fleeing, moving, after having caused you some serious troubles/assault and you need a leg shot perhaps - and being able to do that reasonably well, especially from short bareled compacts with the tendency to shoot low, just by pointing/aiming your gun, kind of fun plinking, from any holding position, not necessarily from a weaver position, etc. Moreover, in my view, these items are more of "track n' shoot" not a defensive item as such, coz in any plausible and sudden action, you'll never have time enough to turn it on. :)

Though, I'm sure, in any such eventuality, and may God forbid it, with a few follow up shots in the same torso area, the BG will be out, before the zero retention is! Thus, it's a one time item, basically, you don't use it regularly.

Finally, and quite ironically, let me say, I've never heard of anybody having outdone a BG, just because of a laser! :lol:

All that movie crap is nonsense. And even if special agents do use such items, outside the Hollywood studios, I'm sure quality of items is quite different, most likely, the kind of "unavailable- to- public" IR items (Infrared emission of beam), so that your own position is not declared. ;)

So, to me, it's just kind of completion or utilization of that tiny "tactical" rail/cracks/ambidextrous deep lines on both sides of the frame, just below the muzzle. They've been filled. :lol:


http://s4.postimage.org/hvBer.jpg (http://postimage.org/image/zjc8gbfo/)

http://s4.postimage.org/hvDJA.jpg (http://postimage.org/image/zjdvznxg/)

http://s4.postimage.org/hvIIS.jpg (http://postimage.org/image/zjh72cx0/)

P.S: @Rasal Saleh/ Zuhair..........price has still not been finalized between Rotor and me, he just left the item with me yesterday. Shall talk to him on this and then post whatsoever is the final agreement. :rolleyes:

I'm sure he could arrange more. Regards. :)

Topak
20-09-2010, 12:44 PM
congrats AK.
what a tiny tacticali :D
what the price of BINDIYA charged by "SONAR" ? :lol:

"King Of Kings"
20-09-2010, 03:06 PM
nice one bro congrates,,,,

Faisal Aziz
20-09-2010, 03:21 PM
Nice addition of Karishma's Bindiya at ur beautiful gun AK bro. I think Pine light is old one so no need to congrate u.ha ha ha; :D

AK47
20-09-2010, 04:30 PM
Thanks Topak, King of Kings! :)

@FA.......... :lol: Thanks bro, yeah, have stuck to the Pine since 8 years by now! :)

@all.........Price agreed with Rotorcraft bro for this item is 8K, Naveed took another one, a deal was struck @ 16K for 2. May I add, American counterpart, if available, is for nothing less than 20K! :o

Congrats Naveed bro also, for the "tactical" solution! :) :lol: Let's see some pics here of your PT 145 as well, when you receive it. Regards. :)

Naveed_pk
20-09-2010, 04:51 PM
Thanks A lot Rotor Bro for being so kind and generous ... I bought the second one in 8k and also as a Pakgunner fellow Rotor gave a special discount to Our Both "Ak47" and Me :) Couldnt sleep properly after seeing this one beauty on "Karishma" .. Well now anxiously waiting for the item to be delivered .. Let me know Rotor Bro when its couriered .. Thanks

hardboiled
20-09-2010, 04:59 PM
congrats Naveed_pk and AK47 for those Laser-sights..
pls. keep us up2date about your experience with them.
regards and cheers :)

coolbox18
20-09-2010, 06:14 PM
very good acquisition and the looks of pt-145 have been greatly enhanced too :)
Please update on performance.

Rasal.Saleh
20-09-2010, 06:48 PM
Now we are waiting for two range reports ... :D

Regards

notorious
21-09-2010, 12:48 AM
Looks very good Ak bro, you know they say, WAQT NAI AIK BAR PHIR DULHAN BANA DIA...

very nice...

assad ahmad nawab
21-09-2010, 12:50 AM
very nice addition to a gun

jagga
21-09-2010, 01:05 AM
that looks gorgeous...congratulations on your new purchase

the laser has a very good fear factor when pointed at a potential enemy and he sees a red dot glowing on his nuts :)

Oasis
21-09-2010, 02:03 AM
AOA ....

Congratulation @AK 47 bhai for Bindiya. :P

Thx.

mhrehman
21-09-2010, 03:16 AM
Thanks A lot Rotor Bro for being so kind and generous ... I bought the second one in 8k and also as a Pakgunner fellow Rotor gave a special discount to Our Both "Ak47" and Me :) Couldnt sleep properly after seeing this one beauty on "Karishma" .. Well now anxiously waiting for the item to be delivered .. Let me know Rotor Bro when its couriered .. Thanks

Something is actually going to be couriered to our Naveed bond, what a surprise, I thought you were the one who sends people things that are hidden from public. :P :lol:

Anyways guys, congrats to both of you. :)

Anthrax
21-09-2010, 04:11 AM
Congratulations on your new acquisition AK47 bro! The 145 looks very tactical indeed with the addition of this laser. Quite the Badass! :cool:

But seriously, Bindiya? :o With all due respect brother, PLEASE start using manly names for your guns and accessories! :/ Something like "Hellfire" would be just nice :P

Mani
21-09-2010, 03:33 PM
nice bro. congrates......

s.cheema
21-09-2010, 03:34 PM
very nice, congrats :D

Apalo
21-09-2010, 03:54 PM
Thanks A lot Rotor Bro for being so kind and generous ... I bought the second one in 8k and also as a Pakgunner fellow Rotor gave a special discount to Our Both "Ak47" and Me :) Couldnt sleep properly after seeing this one beauty on "Karishma" .. Well now anxiously waiting for the item to be delivered .. Let me know Rotor Bro when its couriered .. Thanks

Something is actually going to be couriered to our Naveed bond, what a surprise, I thought you were the one who sends people things that are hidden from public. :P :lol:

Anyways guys, congrats to both of you. :)

Bond always have the links for the hidden things but there are some scientist who are providing hidden things for him. same with our junior Bond.

Naveed_pk
21-09-2010, 04:08 PM
Lols !!!! :lol: :lol:

Rotorcrafts
21-09-2010, 04:14 PM
What an Accurate depiction :D :lol: :D :lol:

Syed Adeel
21-09-2010, 04:20 PM
And believe me it's really a 'bindia'! I rushed to Ak47 bro at his place to see the bindia and it's 'chamak' (light). Bro Ak 47 was in a relaxed mood and busy on PG and I requested him to come out in the middle of the night, along with the bindia and PT 145 and we tried the dot in the darkness by setting it on distant objects, and wow it was tremendous!

Congrats sir, for a beautiful and tactical enhancement on your gun!

AK47
21-09-2010, 06:51 PM
Thanks again everybody! :)

@Anthrax...........Lols! Agreed bro, was actually just commenting on the "petiteness" of the deadly "Karishma, PT 145".

From now on, let's get serious guyz, no more "Bindiya" thing, straight and simple PT145 HELLFIRE! ;)

And trust me it is, just ask Syed Adeel bro or check his post above, he was first "live" witness in the darkest of nights! HELLFIRE! :lol:

@Apalo: You got the background of Ian Flemmings right bro! ;)

@Syed Adeel.........Thanks bro. You can come over and watch "HELLFIRE", anytime you like, dear, this cinema is near and 2-4-7 kind of thing! ;)

mhrehman
22-09-2010, 02:55 AM
AK bro I hope that you don't mind surprise visits, cause one of these days very soon you are going to get one ;)

jagga
22-09-2010, 04:11 AM
i can get these imported from china for £23.50 but postage is a whopping £11.00

Vector Optics Sparker Mini Pistol Red Laser Sight (SCRL-05)

Very Light, With Detachable Picatinny Rail, Mainly for Pistol and Can be used on Picaitinny Rail, On/Off Switch, Adjustable

Code: SCRL-04 Sparker
Power: <5mW
Voltage: DC 4.5V, 3 pcs LR41
Wavelength: 650nM
Effective distance: 300 meter at night
Weight (net, only with mouse-tail switch): 30g (1.1 Ounces)
With detachable picatinny rail.
Size: 28x26mm, mini style
T6061 High class aluminum alloy in beautiful black matte and tactical style
On/off switch for different purpose
Windage & elevation adjustable with supplied hex key tool
Shock proof and can be used on real fire caliber
Battery runtime: 2 hours
Working temperature: -10°to 45°
Laser dot size at 10 meter: <2mm

Others: cool laser engraved lettering, excellent oxidation deal
Vector Optics and made in China under our strict quality control
This item will be shipped via EMS Express all over the world.

AK47
22-09-2010, 10:26 AM
i can get these imported from china for £23.50 but postage is a whopping £11.00

Vector Optics Sparker Mini Pistol Red Laser Sight (SCRL-05)

Very Light, With Detachable Picatinny Rail, Mainly for Pistol and Can be used on Picaitinny Rail, On/Off Switch, Adjustable

Code: SCRL-04 Sparker
Power: <5mW
Voltage: DC 4.5V, 3 pcs LR41
Wavelength: 650nM
Effective distance: 300 meter at night
Weight (net, only with mouse-tail switch): 30g (1.1 Ounces)
With detachable picatinny rail.
Size: 28x26mm, mini style
T6061 High class aluminum alloy in beautiful black matte and tactical style
On/off switch for different purpose
Windage & elevation adjustable with supplied hex key tool
Shock proof and can be used on real fire caliber
Battery runtime: 2 hours
Working temperature: -10°to 45°
Laser dot size at 10 meter: <2mm

Others: cool laser engraved lettering, excellent oxidation deal
Vector Optics and made in China under our strict quality control
This item will be shipped via EMS Express all over the world.

Thanks Jagga bro for the details and impressive salient features above, nice info! :)

As for the price, I'm now content at 8K, more than before! :)

Sterling 34, inclusive of freight, I guess would translate to something like : 34 X 133= Rs. 4522.

Now, rules/restrictions/"taboos" pertaining to U.K imports are quite different than those pertaining to Pak imports.

Add now another Rs. 1500 or so in customs! Yes, these - and I beg pardon for using this word, just can't find a better comparison - DOGS, would be fair to you if letting through an innocent hairpin untaxed, without first posing some - "devil-with-the-horns" kind of ugly, "jekyllish" screwed up facial impressions and raised eyebrows, to squeeze out of you whatsoever tiny amount of "jugga tax", as if the hairpin would have been able to unlock the very main safe of our National Bank! :mad:

Only a "Jagga" would be able to deal with them! ;)

Thus, we're already at Rs. 6000. At 8K, without hassles, and delivered to the doorsteps, I got a lot to thank Rotor for. :)

@mhrehman......... Bro, with open arms, anytime! But, let me still stress out, a first time visit by a dear friend like you, does require some bit of a notice! ;)

Regards. :)

Amjad Ali
22-09-2010, 03:52 PM
congratulations sir AK 47 and NAVEED SAHAB will you post target reviews of PT 145 after fit that lazer

jagga
22-09-2010, 06:16 PM
i need a laser to fit on my riflescope and have been researching lasers for a while now ..this is what i am thinking of getting it has recieved excellent reviews in the uk and aparently holds zero very well.it is a very powerfull green laser with a range of upto 3000 meters. availabe here in the UK for a very reasonable £28.50

it looks like it may even fit a pt145 but may be a little long at 12cm


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material: alloy

with free 20mm mounts

can be adjusted without tool
•Simply locks on to the top of the telescopic rifle scope
•Suitable for 1" (25mm) tube diameter rifle scope
•Obtained a new level of short / long range laser targeting ability
•Advanced laser optics give a superb laser sight
•Adjustable windage and elevation
•Provide clear pointing dot even in day light and clear laser beam in the dark or low light
•Laser "lights up" your target at up to 1500 meters+ in low light or 3000m+ in the dark
•With "8" figured mount for Laser 1"(25mm) and Scope 1"(25mm)
•Additional mount provided which can hold the laser and fit on any 20mm width weaver rail base
•Use 1 x CR123a lithium disposable battery (Included) (Do not use recharge battery on laser)
•2 Switch mode:
•Remote coiled pressure switch: Press pressure pad to On and release to Off
•Pressure button switch: Press the button for momentary On or Twisting the cap tight for continuous On
•Wavelength: 532nm
•Max. output: 30mw
•Laser length: 12cm
•Laser tube diameter: 25mm

Denovo87
22-09-2010, 06:21 PM
what stores / shops sell these things in UK, Jagga bro? would love go that place on my next visit.

jagga
22-09-2010, 06:25 PM
its available on ebay

i think this would look cool on my winchester defender :D and on my 850 airmagnum

Denovo87
22-09-2010, 06:29 PM
A flash / Tactical light will be more usefull and look even cooler :)

jagga
22-09-2010, 06:29 PM
i already have a tactical light

AK47
22-09-2010, 07:31 PM
@Jagga.............No need to bring in from there. Available here for 3K! Supply however is non-uniform, these items come and go. I missed it by a day last time in Peshawar. :mad:

Very powerful, but you can see the green beam from the sides even. :(

NOT FOR THE PT 145, only for rifles. :)

12GAUGE
22-09-2010, 07:53 PM
Aha!

karishma got a new ultra seducing paiyalia. I specially like the added sex appeal of karishma now. AK47 Bhai, I hope the game of seduction is even hotter than before specially with the addition of this accessory.

Every time I look at the karishma and the "Art of Seduction" by maxi priest starts ringing in my ears.

Regards.

Hamid
22-09-2010, 07:59 PM
Bindiya chumkay gee:)
@Rotorcraft, what about my order of an aircraft carrier. I am still awaiting its courier.

AK47
22-09-2010, 11:38 PM
@Amjad Sb...........Thanks bro, should have had this one mounted when you "good byed" me from the Motorway recently! Khair, some other time! ;) :mad: :lol:

@12Gauge..........Bro, pray not to be the "seduced" one here. ;) :lol:

MianTaimur
23-09-2010, 03:03 AM
congratulations on the new purchase sir !

AK47
23-09-2010, 03:10 AM
Thanks Mian Sb! :)

Silent killerr
23-09-2010, 07:43 AM
AK sir, congrats. very nice addition

Gilani
24-09-2010, 09:48 PM
Nice one AK sahib. Would be checked in detail in tomorrow's session ;)

AK47
24-09-2010, 11:08 PM
Nice one AK sahib. Would be checked in detail in tomorrow's session ;)

Thanks Sir, let's have a bit of fun along with the more serious biz! ;)

About to oil and ready up the 990gr solid steel! ;)

Dr Zakir
24-09-2010, 11:48 PM
congratulation. i would like to know your experience with laser , as i did not have a good experience when i tried shoot with laser. kept on mixing aim of laser with normal sights

AK47
25-09-2010, 12:33 AM
congratulation. i would like to know your experience with laser , as i did not have a good experience when i tried shoot with laser. kept on mixing aim of laser with normal sights

Thanks Dr. Sb, I too look forward to seeing the results, however.

As for mixing the sights, I agree, can be difficult to keep eyes on one thing only. This one has a tight fit to the gun, let's see how it performs tomorrow in a pair of some solid hands! ;)

Amjad Ali
25-09-2010, 01:51 PM
@Amjad Sb...........Thanks bro, should have had this one mounted when you "good byed" me from the Motorway recently! Khair, some other time! ;) :mad: :lol:

@12Gauge..........Bro, pray not to be the "seduced" one here. ;) :lol:

dearest sir AK 47 in that moment i have shortage of time but next time first of all i only will inform you about my trip to islamabad please don`t angry , give me one chance & also tell me if you need anything from lahore Thanks .

Amjad Ali
25-09-2010, 01:52 PM
@Amjad Sb...........Thanks bro, should have had this one mounted when you "good byed" me from the Motorway recently! Khair, some other time! ;) :mad: :lol:

@12Gauge..........Bro, pray not to be the "seduced" one here. ;) :lol:

dearest sir AK 47 in that moment i have shortage of time but next time first of all i only will inform you about my trip to islamabad please don`t angry , give me one chance & also tell me if you need anything from lahore Thanks .

Gilani
26-09-2010, 01:42 AM
congratulation. i would like to know your experience with laser , as i did not have a good experience when i tried shoot with laser. kept on mixing aim of laser with normal sights
Dr sahib, just put the laser beam on the target and shoot; no aiming through the sights ;)


AK47 bhai, did I tell you that your lazer needs to be adjusted for about 12 inches down for elevation and your gun would be zeroed??? If I did, sorry for repetition. BTW, your lazer is ok for windage :)

@All
Please make sure your lazer beam is properly zeroed (through firing). You may be surprised to see that it may be way off; which mostly it is. :lol: Moreover, be very careful about selecting a holster that should not obstruct the lazer, otherwise you might loose its zeroing very soon which may prove very dangerous at the time of need.

AK47
26-09-2010, 07:20 AM
@Gilani Sb......Thanks again Sir, quite some fun shooting with the laser, really enjoyed your no aim hip fires, quite cowboy style! Lols! :o :lol:

Yes, Sir, I understood the elevation discrepancy of 12 inches, had we had more ammo and time, I sought actually to have it adjusted right there on the spot, but heck, Sir, your schedule was quite " thunder-stormish" kind of a come and go, ha ha ha! Thanks for some great company and wishing you now a happy journey back, so long! Regards. :)

@All.........The laser shot experience was quite a funny affair guyz, yet the zero setting requires time and either a good boresighter and a couple of shots, or no boresighter and plenty of shots, we had neither! :(

My .45 ammo was packed away in Muree resort, and I had a 9 shots mag only, furthermore Gilani Sb was to leave early, so no time either for adjustments, etc.

Let me give you a brief impression of what Gilani Sb meant by the 12 inches elevation discrepancy:

Picture 1 is just for your idea on how the beam looks like when aimed at bull from some 15-20 mtrs.

We did not aim or shoot for the bull, coz there were already too many holes in the black area, so Gilani Sb used the outer left area of the chart in picture 2 to test the laser out, and the 12 inches discrepancy is shown by the POA, point of aim (green spot) and the POI, point of impact (red circles), thus Gilani sb had to aim some 12 inches lower to get the shots 12 inches higher, very simple. Enjoy:

An idea of the beam sharpness:

http://s4.postimage.org/BYR8i.jpg (http://postimage.org/image/2539hebxg/)

The shots, pointed deliberately for the outer left:

http://s2.postimage.org/EW4R0.jpg (http://postimage.org/image/2b3cmeqg4/)

Lower red circle, was a total hip fire! :cool:

Looking forward now to seeing Naveed's review of his piece, since that one is due to be initially zeroed by the help of a laser boresighter. Regards. :)

@Amjad Sb.... Thanks bro, joking only course, but just check the laser fires above, before another time! ;) :lol:

Thank you bro, shall let you know, if anything needed. Regards. :)

mhrehman
27-09-2010, 02:02 PM
Glad to had fun :)

Rotorcrafts
01-10-2010, 06:14 PM
Well, I had some communication with AK sahib and Naveed bhai, Finally i have to declare this item as "CRAP" :| because no matter how good it looks on your firearm it is not holding its zero or not working at all. I will contact the supplier and notify him about the flaws.

So Guys please dont drool over this item if you were thinking to buy one....... :/

Regards.

AK47
01-10-2010, 06:21 PM
Thanks Rotor, that's indeed responsible PakGunner spirit. A short lived romance however. I wonder how the Armalaser would have performed, I mean are these things viable at all?

Naveed_pk
01-10-2010, 06:30 PM
Thank's Rotor , And Yes you took the very right decesion and helped other members to be safe and dont waste their money in these "Crap" chinese products :)