View Full Version : .303 No 4 MK I Rifles

14-09-2010, 11:26 AM
Who sells the above rifles in Pakistan please. New or near new.

14-09-2010, 07:51 PM
arent these bolt actions ?

they are not PB then

14-09-2010, 08:20 PM
Lee Enfield Rifle No 4 Mark 1 is a bolt action rifle, hence not a PB? Is there any other reason for being a PB that we do not know?

Haider Shah
14-09-2010, 11:13 PM
P.B bores are very well specified and 303 are even kept on NPB licence, hence calling them PB is not justified.
These rifles are kept by Vetrans and remained the favourite bore in KPK, Baloch tribesmen who still keep them as a Souvenir, Mark 4&5 are no doubt beauty but few sports model are also kept by collectors likewise double barrel 303 ejectors are very rare and are worth keeping, regards

15-09-2010, 02:30 PM
bolt action hunting rifles of all calibres are npb, except punjab province, where only .22 is allowed.
i would also like to know where this rifle can be obtained, and what price?
(on sindh license)

15-09-2010, 03:53 PM
sir there are old punjab rifle lisences as well........... so its ban for the new commers but not the old ones

@haider shah

can u post in some pictures of 2bl barrel ejectors ?

15-09-2010, 04:12 PM
can the 303 be bought on npb license in islamabad??

16-09-2010, 10:12 AM
Sun never set on British Empire in early 20th century and they used to say that apart from many other reasons, one reason is that British soldier has Lee Enfield Rifle. No 4 Mk 1 is one of the better ones out of many LE models.

Even after a century, it still shoots better than many NIB rifles that are available in the market today. I shot one few days back and it was a pleaseur to hit water bottles consistently at 200 M with open sights. If one could find one in good condition, its a pleasure to have one. Its cheap and still more accurate than so many other rifles available in the market :)

10-10-2010, 07:05 PM

what is your email if you are willing ton sell your gun ?

11-10-2010, 10:05 PM
I have seen it at my village in Baluchistan and its an all time favourite there and its called "Ghurki" in Balochi where "Ghurk" means WOLF and in old days it was used to kill big animals which existed in Balochistan.

12-10-2010, 02:06 PM

Can you post picture of your rifle, and manufacturer, along with price?


21-10-2010, 09:49 PM

Can you post picture of your rifle, and manufacturer, along with price?



Can you please post pictures, manufacturer and price? By the way, is it the one with the scope mounts?


21-10-2010, 10:06 PM
The gun is in excellent condition as good as new, manufacturer is England, I do not know how to check if it is for the scope mount.
Two persons approached me with interest to buy it but when I called them to show the rifle in person they did not show interest, therefore I am not interested for the time being to sell it

22-10-2010, 10:01 AM
@PA: I understand brother.

This was the first rifle I fired in my life..when I was 9 years old, felt like I fired a cannon off my shoulder...hehehe.. It was a Gorkha who had, for some weird reason, been into service somewhere with Pakistani Soldiers in the WWII. Maybe I will just come over and take a look at it sometime. Just to admire it. :)


22-10-2010, 01:49 PM
How can a Gorkha fight with Pakistani soldiers in WW-2, there was no Pakistan during WW-II? Gorkha Regiments were part of Indian army during WW-2 and fought for the British.
Here is their History for your knowledge:
In the Gurkha War (18141816) they waged war against the British East India Company army. The British were impressed by the Gurkha soldiers and later raised Gurkha regiments in the East India Company army. Gurkhas served as troops under contract to the East India Company in the Pindaree War of 1817, in Bharatpur in 1826 and the First and Second Anglo-Sikh Wars in 1846 and 1848.
During the Indian Rebellion of 1857, Gurkhas fought on the British side, and became part of the British Indian Army on its formation.
During World War I (191418), more than 200,000 Gurkhas served in the British Army, suffering approximately 20,000 casualties, and receiving almost 2,000 gallantry awards.
between the World Wars, the Gurkha regiments fought in the Third Afghan War in 1919 and then participated in numerous campaigns on the North-West Frontier, mainly in Waziristan, where they were employed as garrison troops defending the frontier, keeping the peace amongst the local populace and keeping the lawless and often openly hostile Pathan tribesmen in check.
A total of 250,280 Gurkhas served during World War II, earning 2,734 bravery awards and suffering around 32,000 casualties.
After the British left India, Gorkhalis continued seeking employment in British and Indian forces.
Gurkhas have served in almost all war fought by India, including the wars with Pakistan in 1947, 1965 and 1971 and also against China in 1962. They have also been used in peacekeeping operations around the world. They have also served in Sri Lanka conducting operations against the Tamil Tigers.
Two Gurkhas regiments are held presently by Nepal too and a a platoon of Gurkhas is held by Singapore.

22-10-2010, 02:13 PM
@PA: Thanks for the information. Really impressive. Well, that is what he told me. He probably fought somewhere alongside India Army soldiers who are/were residents of areas that are now in Lahore, Pakistan.

Enigmatic Desires
15-11-2010, 11:41 PM
Don't know if I mentioned it somewhere, Ahmed Traders in defense Karachi offered to procure on for around 75-80k average condition

16-11-2010, 10:49 AM
I Have seen several at Saifuddin Arms in Hyderabad

16-11-2010, 06:59 PM
Don't know if I mentioned it somewhere, Ahmed Traders in defense Karachi offered to procure on for around 75-80k average condition

way over priced. can get for 25 k with good condition and for 35 k almost NIB.

Enigmatic Desires
16-11-2010, 08:59 PM
way over priced. can get for 25 k with good condition and for 35 k almost NIB.

Where where????????????????

16-11-2010, 09:34 PM
kpk but not in the shops. Rather with individuals.

Enigmatic Desires
16-11-2010, 10:53 PM
(Sigh) I was quoting Karachi prices for pretty banged up models

30-11-2010, 09:29 PM
kpk but not in the shops. Rather with individuals.

Great! I will contact you whenever I get my next license. Regards.

01-12-2010, 08:02 PM
Lee Enfield Rifle No 4 Mark 1 was the version of .303 was adopted by the British during WW-II in 1942 till 1957, as it was lighter, stronger, and most importantly, easier to mass produce. Therefore was not the weapon for the British empire during its colonial expansion contrary to the point raised in an earlier post.
The first of the Lee Enfield .303 Mark I was adopted by the British in 1904, Mark II in 1906, mark III in 1907, Mark V in 1927, and rifle number I mark VI in 1930.
The POF version of Lee Enfield number 4 Mark I was produced till 1967 (that was when rifle G3 was adopted) and the Daisi or Khyber Pass Copies are still occasionally being produced.

Lee Enfield number 4 Mark I was used by the Mujahiddins (along with other rifles) in the 1980s against the Soviet forces and is still seen being used in Afghanistan and in our tribal areas as bolt-action rifles remain effective weapons in mountain environments where long-range accuracy is more important than rate of fire. Number 4 Mark I has a formidable effective killing range of 500 meters (maximum range 2750 meters), as compared to G-3 & AK-47 (semi auto fire for both rifles) 400 meters. (In auto fire effective killing range decreases)

If anyone is really serious then I can sell my British Lee Enfield number 4 mark I in excellent condition and 280 rounds (POF) for Rs 65000 or exchange with a CZ pistol.

Enigmatic Desires
07-12-2010, 08:20 PM
In which year was yours manufactured PA?

08-12-2010, 08:55 AM
@ Enigmatic Desires
I do not know which year was it manufactured, do you know how can I check from the rifle?

Enigmatic Desires
08-12-2010, 04:53 PM
Generally the older British versions had the year of manufacture inscribed on the wrist guard. But the practice was not very common in later models. I had an old gun digest with an article on these guns. I'l hunt around an c if i can find it.

08-12-2010, 06:05 PM
Please do that. I would wait for your reply.

08-12-2010, 06:16 PM
Will it be of use if we come to know which year was it manufactured?

08-12-2010, 09:07 PM
@PA, would love some eye candy :-)

08-12-2010, 09:35 PM
I own a No1 Mk5 lee Jungle Carbine .303 its shorter than Mk4 but fires with deadly accuracy , hits a bull from 300m, (posting a pic)

08-12-2010, 09:46 PM
nice gun you have

08-12-2010, 09:55 PM
Thanx s.cheema.

09-12-2010, 06:09 AM
The final stages of WW-II led to the development of No1 Mk5 lee Jungle Carbine .303 with a severely cut-down stock, a prominent flash hider, and a receiver machined to remove all unnecessary metal, the No. 5 was shorter and 2 lb (0.9 kg) lighter. Despite a rubber butt-pad, the .303 round produced too much recoil for the No. 5 to be suitable for general issue, and production ceased in 1947 due to an "inherent fault in the design"
An Australian experimental version of the No. 5 Mk I, designated Rifle, No. 6, Mk I was also developed, however the No. 6 Mk I never entered full production.

The biggest reason No 4 Mk I is still being used is that it hits a bull from 500m (compared to G-3 and AK-47 400m) and for this deadly range of No 4 Mk 1 it was used as late as mid 80s by the British army as their standard "Sniper Rifle"