PDA

View Full Version : 24/7 vs 809



9mm
17-08-2010, 05:29 AM
Which one is better ?
Taurus 24/7 or 809 ?
U judge !

Silent killerr
17-08-2010, 09:59 AM
If you found a 24/7 series pistol without any issue i mean FTF, FTE problem. you will be very lucky. other wise 24/7 result is not very good. there are very few 24/7 pistols in market without any issue but to get that one is a matter of chance.

I personally never had a chance to fire PT 809. But our many respected members own this one and they are satisfied with it. So 809 is better

Also visit this link
http://www.pakguns.com/forum/viewtopic.php?id=3633

Tomahawk
17-08-2010, 12:02 PM
PT-809 is better.

Yalghari
17-08-2010, 01:08 PM
PT 809 ..... no match with 24/7. 24/7 are all troublesome

SPAYPANTHER
17-08-2010, 01:31 PM
809 is considered a best pistol by taurus after PT99\pt92, so forget 24/7 it is nothing

noumanzaidi
17-08-2010, 01:47 PM
809 is better

GUNFREAK
17-08-2010, 03:07 PM
809 hammer is better any day

regards

9mm
17-08-2010, 03:15 PM
809 does look better !
but r both equally reliable & accurate ?
And hw much is the price difference ?

Usama
17-08-2010, 03:26 PM
Here in Khi 809 costs around 70 k and 24/7 should cost around 55 k , According the 809 owners reviews
809 turns out to be Taurus another success and on the other hand 24/7 is simply a piece of crap! :/

9mm
17-08-2010, 03:50 PM
Here in Khi 809 costs around 70 k and 24/7 should cost around 55 k , According the 809 owners reviews
809 turns out to be Taurus another success and on the other hand 24/7 is simply a piece of crap! :/

"CRAP"

Is the 24/7 that bad ?

Usama
17-08-2010, 03:59 PM
Here in Khi 809 costs around 70 k and 24/7 should cost around 55 k , According the 809 owners reviews
809 turns out to be Taurus another success and on the other hand 24/7 is simply a piece of crap! :/

"CRAP"

Is the 24/7 that bad ?

Sadly YeS .

Starfish
17-08-2010, 04:12 PM
oh yaar cmon! 24/7 might be crap. but the 809 is no better. i had both and I let go of the 809 while keeping the 24/7. They are not miles apart. If 24/7 is crap, then 809 is about crap :p
ofcourse, thats just my opinion. YMMV.

HammadArshad
17-08-2010, 04:20 PM
Worst end of a thread ever! (Or may be some more to be added) The guy asked of 2 pistols and both were declared... what should I say "None Better than other" or "No good at all". So I think If I am to buy 24/7 or 809 then I will buy none! :|

9mm
17-08-2010, 05:10 PM
Worst end of a thread ever! (Or may be some more to be added) The guy asked of 2 pistols and both were declared... what should I say "None Better than other" or "No good at all". So I think If I am to buy 24/7 or 809 then I will buy none! :|

Y ?
I mean I agree many don like 24/7 ! Even I don like it now !
Bt wats wrong with 809 ? (apart from it's price tag) :)
Some members have it n r quite satisfied with it !

Dr Zakir
17-08-2010, 06:14 PM
809 is better . I don't like dao only of 24/7

mhrehman
17-08-2010, 06:22 PM
I believe that by now u have an idea about both the guns, if comparing just these two handguns, definitely go for the 809.

Silent killerr
17-08-2010, 06:22 PM
oh yaar cmon! 24/7 might be crap. but the 809 is no better. i had both and I let go of the 809 while keeping the 24/7. They are not miles apart. If 24/7 is crap, then 809 is about crap :p
ofcourse, thats just my opinion. YMMV.

Bro, whats the problem with your 809?

9mm
17-08-2010, 08:00 PM
I would love to get a 809 ! If it was under 50k !
Maybe 809 n I ve a future :) After some time !

Pashasahab
17-08-2010, 08:33 PM
you can get a 24/7 OSS pistol. this is large frame pistol and does not have any FTF or FTE problems. available at badaruddin , rawalpindi for 60k

Mani
17-08-2010, 08:37 PM
809 is better....

9mm
17-08-2010, 08:53 PM
oh yaar cmon! 24/7 might be crap. but the 809 is no better. i had both and I let go of the 809 while keeping the 24/7. They are not miles apart. If 24/7 is crap, then 809 is about crap :p
ofcourse, thats just my opinion. YMMV.

"about crap"

nice opinion ! :lol:


were u facing any problems with ur 809 ?

Silent killerr
17-08-2010, 09:42 PM
you can get a 24/7 OSS pistol. this is large frame pistol and does not have any FTF or FTE problems. available at badaruddin , rawalpindi for 60k

Bro 9mm lives in Karachi

9mm
17-08-2010, 10:31 PM
http://s3.postimage.org/hirSi.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=PqhirSi)

"809"




http://s2.postimage.org/JbGjr.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=TsJbGjr)

"24/7"

Gilani
17-08-2010, 11:14 PM
24/7 is not reliable. 809 is comparatively better but does not offer the quality for its price. ie, there are much better options (quality and performance wise) available in 40-55 k. Why pay more money (60 k +) for a comparatively lower quality handgun?

Apalo
17-08-2010, 11:27 PM
809 is good gun than 24/7, but if we are comparing only these two guns, other wise we have more in this price range, as i experienced :D

assad ahmad nawab
18-08-2010, 12:47 AM
+1 gilani and apolo brother

Pashasahab
18-08-2010, 02:44 AM
you can get a 24/7 OSS pistol. this is large frame pistol and does not have any FTF or FTE problems. available at badaruddin , rawalpindi for 60k

Bro 9mm lives in Karachi


Sorry Sir I didn't notice! thanks

9mm
18-08-2010, 11:02 AM
809 n 24/7 owners should express there views too here !!!

Starfish
18-08-2010, 11:17 AM
809 n 24/7 owners should express there views too here !!!

I have owned and used both. Neither one gave me the peace of mind, definitely not enough to become carry pistols. Period.
They are more like range / casual shooters and since the 24/7 shoots better and more accurate than the 809, i kept the 24/7 ti and got rid of the 809.
Btw, the 809 was 3k cheaper than the 24/7 Titanium :P

Starfish
18-08-2010, 11:38 AM
A Casual Ammo Compatibility Test of the 24/7 was conducted a week ago by yours truly and our beloved Chief sb.

Two 24/7 s were used. Here s a summary:

24/7 ti (Mine)
15 Rounds Amrscor FMJ
20 Rounds Wolf FMJ
20 Rounds Tula
15 Rounds Chineese Polytech FMJ

Stopages: None
Notes: The insides turned pink after the wolfies had their way (the primer sealant was the culprit)

24 / 7 Steel (Chief's)

30 Rounds TULA FMJ
Stopages: None


Conclusion: Mil Surplus ammo is okay for the range, but if you need SD / HD, stay away form Mil surplus. Then again, if SD or HD is required, buy a CZ or a Canik and save yourself some $$$.

assad ahmad nawab
18-08-2010, 01:46 PM
i have fired both the guns , usually i used chinese ammo( white box ammo) no jamming issue , but actually i dont trust taurus hammerless pistols. thats why 809 is better for me. if u compare these both guns 809 is better .
it depends on the purpose for what u r buying the weapon, and your shooting limit.

9mm
18-08-2010, 04:00 PM
i have fired both the guns , usually i used chinese ammo( white box ammo) no jamming issue , but actually i dont trust taurus hammerless pistols. thats why 809 is better for me. if u compare these both guns 809 is better .
it depends on the purpose for what u r buying the weapon, and your shooting limit.


i also dont trust its hammerless pistols !
only trust Glocks hammerless !
:D

REHAN
18-08-2010, 04:54 PM
24/7 is not reliable. 809 is comparatively better but does not offer the quality for its price. ie, there are much better options (quality and performance wise) available in 40-55 k. Why pay more money (60 k +) for a comparatively lower quality handgun?

Bro, I have 24/7, never gave me trouble but after the fellow's response, I better think to change it.
Plz guide me other choices in the same price range.
Thanks

Shahzeb
18-08-2010, 05:13 PM
809 all the way!! but i also have a 24/7 Pro an 9mm and have fired about 400 rounds of various bullets from Norinco to POF to Serbian, you name it! But, i have never had a FTF, FTE or any other problem with it so i'm a satisfied customer!

coolbox18
18-08-2010, 05:21 PM
I think Starfish has summarized pretty well in post 30 above; +1.

assad ahmad nawab
18-08-2010, 05:35 PM
24/7 is not as baad as people think, its a nice gun with really nice finish, but when u compare it with 809 than its better, otherwise its okh, many people are satisfied with 24/7, actually people compare its reliabilty with cz or baikal or couger, its wrong to compare these guns with 24/7. because in 24/7 price range 1 can get these other guns like cz , baikal e.t.c .
otherwise its a really nice gun. no other company give hammerless gun ( with such a beauty)
in this price.

Silent killerr
18-08-2010, 06:15 PM
809 all the way!! but i also have a 24/7 Pro an 9mm and have fired about 400 rounds of various bullets from Norinco to POF to Serbian, you name it! But, i have never had a FTF, FTE or any other problem with it so i'm a satisfied customer!

Then you are lucky. As there are very few 24/7 without any issue ;)

Denovo87
18-08-2010, 07:26 PM
24/7 is not as baad as people think, its a nice gun with really nice finish, but when u compare it with 809 than its better, otherwise its okh, many people are satisfied with 24/7, actually people compare its reliabilty with cz or baikal or couger, its wrong to compare these guns with 24/7. because in 24/7 price range 1 can get these other guns like cz , baikal e.t.c .
otherwise its a really nice gun. no other company give hammerless gun ( with such a beauty)
in this price.

Yes, 24/7 pro is not a bad choice at all until you come across a lemon and unfortunately this product is full of lemons and thats the main reason making it an unreliable sd/hd weapon :(

musta ali
18-08-2010, 10:46 PM
Would olso suggest for 809 its a gud reliable pistol

masadrasheed
20-08-2010, 10:20 AM
I have 809 and its good , as other guys said Taurus hammer less pistols are not recommended , you have any other choice ? i mean other than Taurus ?

rEGARDS,

9mm
20-08-2010, 11:12 AM
I have 809 and its good , as other guys said Taurus hammer less pistols are not recommended , you have any other choice ? i mean other than Taurus ?

rEGARDS,

welcome to pakguns bro !
Plz update ur location !

N yes u have many other choices, my personal fav is Viking mp446 !

9mm
20-08-2010, 11:16 AM
Can any Lhr member cnfrm the price of 809e there ?
And price of spare mags ?

assad ahmad nawab
20-08-2010, 02:47 PM
809 e price 57-60, depends on your negotiation, mags for around 4000

assad ahmad nawab
20-08-2010, 02:49 PM
I have 809 and its good , as other guys said Taurus hammer less pistols are not recommended , you have any other choice ? i mean other than Taurus ?

rEGARDS,


we have choice, but other are expensive

assad ahmad nawab
20-08-2010, 02:58 PM
24/7 is not reliable. 809 is comparatively better but does not offer the quality for its price. ie, there are much better options (quality and performance wise) available in 40-55 k. Why pay more money (60 k +) for a comparatively lower quality handgun?

Bro, I have 24/7, never gave me trouble but after the fellow's response, I better think to change it.
Plz guide me other choices in the same price range.
Thanks

brother u can get cz999. kanik , viking , zigana, girsan mc21, pt99.

Apalo
20-08-2010, 06:13 PM
24/7 is not as baad as people think, its a nice gun with really nice finish, but when u compare it with 809 than its better, otherwise its okh, many people are satisfied with 24/7, actually people compare its reliabilty with cz or baikal or couger, its wrong to compare these guns with 24/7. because in 24/7 price range 1 can get these other guns like cz , baikal e.t.c .
otherwise its a really nice gun. no other company give hammerless gun ( with such a beauty)
in this price.
I did not fired a 24/7 but one of my uncle have one and he is quite satisfied, he only used chines ammo white box, but my preference is still 809e and i second Assad

Dr Zakir
20-08-2010, 07:42 PM
frankly speaking i will not buy either one

Gilani
20-08-2010, 08:08 PM
+1 Dr Zakir sahib. I dont see a reason to pay extra 8-15 k for these pistols.

24/7 in my view is straightaway out as there may a large number of lemons.

As for PT908e, it is not a better performer than Viking, Scorpion, Piranha and PT92. Following options may help one in making decision :)

1. Only 809e OR CZ999 along with 500 bullets of 9mm (approx)
2. Only 809e OR MP446 Viking along with 250 bullets of 9mm (approx)
3. Only 809e OR Canik55 Piranha / Shark along with 500 bullets of 9mm (approx)
4. Only 809e OR Sarsilmaz Klinic 2000 along with 250 bullets of 9mm (approx)
5. Only 809e OR PT92/99 along with 100 bullets of 9mm (approx)
6. Only 809e OR Stoeger Cougar along with 150 bullets of 9mm (approx)

The above data indicates that 809e is probably the most expensive pistol available in <100k category. Except Klinic 2000, I have tested all other handguns and in performance, would rate 809e at the bottom of this list :)

Aquarius
20-08-2010, 10:28 PM
Except Klinic 2000, I have tested all other handguns and in performance, would rate 809e at the bottom of this list :)

This is a clear invitation to AK47 brother..... :D

BTW Gilani Sir just noticed your location changed from Mangla to Sialkot.. congrats to have the nice company of Denovo Sir..... :)

mhrehman
21-08-2010, 12:44 AM
AOA Gillani Bhai, I have finally gathered up the courage to write this post. I am by far a novice compared to you, and have always tried to seek your guidance regarding firearms. But I purchased PT809e about I believe a couple of months ago, I use the 124gr American Eagle ammo in it, I usually practice CQC drills with it, distances ranging from 3-30 feet, some how Gillani bhai, I have found it to be a very accurate weapon, SOMEHOW. With aimed shots on less than 2 MOI and quick draw and rapid shots at less than 3 MOI I was quiet surprised and impressed with the weapon. Because I have heard all the seniors disliking the 809 or ranking it below average. I have however made very slight adjustments with the trigger, the barrel, sights and the upper floating chamber. I was looking for a less expensive replacement for my usual carry USP9, and everybody I told was surprised that I was looking at the 809, because like you said there are much better options in reliability and accuracy than the 809. But for some strange reason the size and first looks of the 809e reminded me of the USP, and to my surprise it handles pretty well, or maybe I just got lucky and found a good piece. :)

Gilani
21-08-2010, 01:08 AM
mhrehman sahib, thanks for your comments which I value a lot because you are no novice with the guns :)

I have never said that 809e is a below average weapon, its a pretty nice gun in my view. I have always said that when I compare 809e with MP446, CZ999 and Canik55 Piranha etc, I find 809e lagging behind these guns in accuracy, reliability and shooting ability. Now this is a comparison and does not at all prove that 809e is overall a bad gun. Moreover, if 809e was available in 40K, I would have had no issues with it. It is the significantly higher price as compared to the other above mentioned pistols viz-a-viz displayed performance that actually forms the core of my argument. With a higher price, 809e should offer a proportionately better performance which in my humble view, it does not.

Since you practice a lot, your input would really matter here. I would request you to shoot with MP446 and CZ999 etc as well and than see the difference. I am sure it would be an interesting input for all of us. :)

regards

Vik
21-08-2010, 02:09 AM
MRehman
I have found Federal American to be satisfactory too. Can you please try other brands
like Fiochi and Selor and Ballot too. And let us know of results too. I mean compare them with
American Federal.

mhrehman
21-08-2010, 03:17 AM
Thank you Gillani bhai, I consider you my senior and I respect you and your opinions a lot, thats why I had to gather up my courage to speak in front of you. I completely agree with you perspective, and 446 would be my choice too.


Vic bro, Fiocchi is a very reliable brand of ammo, I personally have used it, also just for gain of knowledge, French, Italian and some German counter terrorist forces use Fiocchi as there ammo, be it 9mm rounds or 12 guage. by the way in my opinion Hornady TAP is the best american ammo, unfortunately I haven't found it here in Pakistan any where.

Also Vic bro, in the ammunition section, there is a thread by Gillani bhai "9mm range report", check it out and you'll find very useful info there also about different brands

Vik
21-08-2010, 06:27 AM
Also Vic bro, in the ammunition section, there is a thread by Gillani bhai "9mm range report", check it out and you'll find very useful info there also about different brands



Thanks Rehman Bro
I got the brand names from the above thread. :)

Silent killerr
21-08-2010, 08:18 AM
Gilani sir, My dealer told me that if i use Chinese ammo in 24/7 pro, it will not give any problem. Please shed some light

Lock & Load
21-08-2010, 04:26 PM
Gilani sir, My dealer told me that if i use Chinese ammo in 24/7 pro, it will not give any problem. Please shed some light

If its me, I won't keep an ammo sensitive gun. And between the two I will chose 809 over 24/7 and if its going to be my first SD gun then I will keep my options open as there are some good contenders as well in the same price range.

Gilani
22-08-2010, 04:03 AM
+1 Lock & Load brother. An ammo sensitive gun should never be bought IMHO.

Silent killerr
22-08-2010, 09:06 AM
+1 Lock & Load brother. An ammo sensitive gun should never be bought IMHO.

I agree, but as we know 24/7 is very good weapon for CC. If it works fine with Chinese ammo i will definitely go for it. Our chief Abbas bahi also has 2 guns of 24/7 series, he could better explain this.

9mm
22-08-2010, 09:31 AM
+1 Lock & Load brother. An ammo sensitive gun should never be bought IMHO.

I agree, but as we know 24/7 is very good weapon for CC. If it works fine with Chinese ammo i will definitely go for it. Our chief Abbas bahi also has 2 guns of 24/7 series, he could better explain this.

ur rite !
So plz Abbas bhai shed some light on the matter !

Dr Zakir
22-08-2010, 10:35 AM
Saw their new model 24/7 G2 on net in which they have combined features of 24/7 and 809

Silent killerr
22-08-2010, 10:45 AM
Saw their new model 24/7 G2 on net in which they have combined features of 24/7 and 809
Really, plz post the link

Dr Zakir
22-08-2010, 01:33 PM
go to www.taurususa.com (http://www.taurususa.com) check 2010 catalogue

Gilani
22-08-2010, 04:49 PM
+1 Lock & Load brother. An ammo sensitive gun should never be bought IMHO.

I agree, but as we know 24/7 is very good weapon for CC. If it works fine with Chinese ammo i will definitely go for it.

:o I always thought 24/7 was a large size handgun. What is your height and built brother because for a person of normal built, it would be difficult to conceal a 24/7 :)

Silent killerr
22-08-2010, 06:08 PM
Sir i am 6 feet and a little bulky. For me 24/7 is easy to carry, may be you don't found it suitable for CC, its a matter of personal preference.

And as far as i know 24/7 series is made for CC. its name also represent this "24/7" means 24 hours a day and 7 days in a week in short, every time :)

Gilani
22-08-2010, 08:05 PM
SK brother, a large bulit person like you may be able to conceal a 24/7 well but for average bulit people, it would be difficult to conceal 24/7 easily because of its size. BTW, Taurus CC models are Millennium 111, PT145, PT709 slim etc :)

masadrasheed
23-08-2010, 11:28 PM
I have 809 and its good , as other guys said Taurus hammer less pistols are not recommended , you have any other choice ? i mean other than Taurus ?

rEGARDS,

welcome to pakguns bro !
Plz update ur location !

N yes u have many other choices, my personal fav is Viking mp446 !


Thanks bro , i am from Karachi :) .

superkoolguy
03-11-2010, 11:31 PM
SALAM.

I am planning to InshAllah buy the 809, but am still in doubt. I overall like the gun, but am still confused whether to buy it or not. Can anyone help me with a good suggestion?
My requirements are:
Carrying to some extent.
Range shooting sometimes.
Overall i need a reliable,good looking gun.
Looking forwards to replies.

Dr Zakir
03-11-2010, 11:33 PM
look for CZ

ACHILLES
03-11-2010, 11:34 PM
price range?
gun is mainly for hobby, protection or show. (main purpose of use)

Usama
04-11-2010, 12:04 AM
superkoolguy

There are many options depending upon your budget and requirment , i will recomend you to
go for any of them Taurus PT92/99 , CZ 999 , Baikal , Canik ....

9mm
04-11-2010, 10:05 PM
SALAM.

I am planning to InshAllah buy the 809, but am still in doubt. I overall like the gun, but am still confused whether to buy it or not. Can anyone help me with a good suggestion?
My requirements are:
Carrying to some extent.
Range shooting sometimes.
Overall i need a reliable,good looking gun.
Looking forwards to replies.

What is ur price range