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someone_001
10-08-2010, 07:53 PM
Dear Pakgunners!

Please advice on the subject.

someone_001
10-08-2010, 07:54 PM
Dear Pakgunners!

Please advice on the subject. " Sniper Flash Cards Vs Mildot Master"

After reading a lot and using different snipping tools keeping in mind that (drag,fps,scope height,range,temp., wind,hummidity and blah blah) MoA and God know much more there including human stress factor :)

i am not having much experience in the range or on big caliber i have following questions to get some information from your side.

1. what is best to use. Sniper Flash Card or Mildot Master
2. At how Many yards i should zero my rifle and why ? which of the following caliber option is zero on how many yards

i have read people doing zero their rifles on 250 or 300 yards too.

I have option of acquiring following from local market

1 .30-06 winchester
2 .270 winchester
3 .308 remington 700
4 or Blaser any of above caliber (Hell of expensive so lets lets make it last option) but if happens so the it would be 270 or .308

Let say for .308 i will zero it around 200 yards because of effective range would be 800 yards approx.

Regards

Engineeer
11-08-2010, 12:12 AM
1. mildot master
2. 25 mtr u will get same at 250 m,,,,,,,,it all depends upon bullet type and its trajectory it makes.
look 4 win .270 u can do all wd it in pakistan.....
at 800 u will get abt 20'' drop but it will again depend upon type of bullet.

someone_001
11-08-2010, 01:11 AM
1. mildot master
2. 25 mtr u will get same at 250 m,,,,,,,,it all depends upon bullet type and its trajectory it makes.
look 4 win .270 u can do all wd it in pakistan.....
at 800 u will get abt 20'' drop but it will again depend upon type of bullet.

Yes you are right about the drop is different for different caliber and load.

I doubt that i will get the same results on 250 as on 25 meter. reasoning

Moa of straight line on 100 yard is around 1.0047 inch and on let say 250 yards will around 2.5 inches.

Also quoted on different occasion while doing calculation for MoA is that .308 rifle got zero on 200 yards will hit high around 4 inches on 100 yard target.

What is most common distance for zero rifle we use in Pakistan.

someone_001
13-08-2010, 01:39 AM
Any Sharp shooters around to comment

Skeeter60
13-08-2010, 10:00 AM
My sincere advice to you is to buy a rifle, even a .22 RF will be fine and when you are not on your computer go and shoot it at a Rifle range at varying distances and when you have confidence and begin to understand the effects of distance on the trajectory etc it will be time to graduate to a bigger caliber.
Forget about shooting at 800 m etc train to shoot from a stable proper position at 50 and then 100m.
In my humble opinion the greatest pleasure comes from stalking or getting close to the trophy, I would get as close as I can .
I would avoid shooting at an animal beyond 300m when there is lot of wind or I can not find myself a stable shooting position as I dread wounding an animal lest he dies a miserable death hidden under a rock.

Please practice /train in the basics and forget about Sniper Flash cards and Mildot Master etc which are for professional servicemen who specialise in the art and craft of snipping ; they undergo years of training in professional schools of instruction and train every day as it is their bread and butter and their passion.
Please do not be offended in any way but this is the best I can offer.

Apalo
13-08-2010, 03:22 PM
@Sir, Skeeter.
I want to have some basic information for long range shooting, as i love to be a long range shooter but i dont have knowledge and information.
sir, i have a .303, if i want to start rifle shooting than can i start it with .303 with the distance from 50m to 100m. I have POF rounds for .303.
or Should I buy a .22 rifle and than start to shoot.
your oppinion will be an honor sir.

Skeeter60
13-08-2010, 03:39 PM
@Apalo

Go ahead shoot the .303, it is a very accurate rifle with open or aperture iron sights.

If you want to be shooting at long ranges you must do a lot of shooting to improve your position, grip and TRIGGER CONTROL, for this you will need a .22 RF preferably a BRNO as the ammo will be cheaper and you have to graduate from .22 to bigger cals.

Best Of Luck

Apalo
13-08-2010, 11:59 PM
Thank you so much sir, as i am on the hunt of a 12g semi auto and my next hunt will be inshAllah a .22RF, although i dont know a single word about this gun but i hope with your guide line one day i will know it. inshAllah :)
Sir, can you please give some more information on .22 RF Brano, as i come to know, through search, abot Bruno .22lr, is this a same gun or other, hope you will not mind my basic questions ?

Skeeter60
14-08-2010, 12:28 AM
>22 Rim Fire or .22 LR the same thing

Apalo
14-08-2010, 12:32 AM
thank you sir.

Gilani
14-08-2010, 02:58 AM
.............Please practice /train in the basics and forget about Sniper Flash cards and Mildot Master etc which are for professional servicemen who specialise in the art and craft of snipping ; they undergo years of training in professional schools of instruction and train every day as it is their bread and butter and their passion.
Please do not be offended in any way but this is the best I can offer.
+1 Sir. Barring the professionals in the field, this is the best advice for most of us :)

someone_001
14-08-2010, 04:00 AM
My sincere advice to you is to buy a rifle, even a .22 RF will be fine and when you are not on your computer go and shoot it at a Rifle range at varying distances and when you have confidence and begin to understand the effects of distance on the trajectory etc it will be time to graduate to a bigger caliber.
Forget about shooting at 800 m etc train to shoot from a stable proper position at 50 and then 100m.
In my humble opinion the greatest pleasure comes from stalking or getting close to the trophy, I would get as close as I can .
I would avoid shooting at an animal beyond 300m when there is lot of wind or I can not find myself a stable shooting position as I dread wounding an animal lest he dies a miserable death hidden under a rock.

Please practice /train in the basics and forget about Sniper Flash cards and Mildot Master etc which are for professional servicemen who specialise in the art and craft of snipping ; they undergo years of training in professional schools of instruction and train every day as it is their bread and butter and their passion.
Please do not be offended in any way but this is the best I can offer.

@Skeeter60
Thank you for the informative advice. Please also can you highlight your preferred zero distance for .30-06 and .270

Skeeter60
14-08-2010, 07:34 AM
SOME 1001

I zero my rifles on a 100yd range.
The rifles are zeroed to shoot about 3 inches above the point of aim at 100 yds, when I hunt in the high mountains of Northern Areas for long range shooting ; where getting close to the trophy animal is some times next to impossible.
This way a 7mm magnum with 150 grain Nosler Ballistic Tip bullet with a BC of (.540) with a Velocity of 3200 feet per second will shoot as under;
Ref: NOSLER RELOADING MANUAL NUMBER 6 Chapter 7mm Rem Mag.
The velocity confirmed with a Chronograph. The trajectories also confirmed by shooting at 100 and then 200 or 300 yd ranges

100 yds + 3inches
200 yds + 3.8 ( the bullet is still rising)
300 yds 00
400 yds (-) 8.5 inches
500 yds (-) 22.6 inches
600yds (-) 43.1 inches

The 270 with a 130 grain bullet at a Muzzle Velocity of about 3050 feet per second should be zeroed to shoot 2 inches high at 100 yds and will be zero for 200 yards and will be 8 inches low at 300 yds and about 16 inches low at 400 yds ( depending on the bullet used and the MV of the bullet)
For friends who are using standard ammo for a 7mm Rem mag please follow the rule of 3s .You shoot 3 inches high at a 100 yds (zero 3 inches above point of aim ) the rifle will be zero at 300 yds and will be ( 3x3 ) 9 inches low at 400 yds.

someone_001
14-08-2010, 03:17 PM
@Skeeter60

Thanks for the brief information that what i was actually looking for.
Do you mind adding what recticle you prefer for long range shooting. If possible can you add a reference picture. And a great add on will be if you can let us know the scope height of your long range solution.

Skeeter60
14-08-2010, 08:42 PM
My scopes are 1.5 inches above bore line which is pretty much standard and the retical I like is Duplex which is thick cross hair with thin inner cross. I also like a thick tapered post for low light but the duplex is great for good light and long ranges, the german reticle is also good and I have several. I basically concentrate on the shooting itself

MIdreesTaj
14-08-2010, 09:32 PM
@Skeeter60 great topic Sir!

Sir say your likes and dislikes on Zeroing at a particular distance VS. Zeroing at MPBR range.

Apalo
14-08-2010, 11:30 PM
learning alot, thank you Sir Skeeter.

Skeeter60
15-08-2010, 12:49 PM
@Skeeter60 great topic Sir!

Sir say your likes and dislikes on Zeroing at a particular distance VS. Zeroing at MPBR range.

It is practically the same as the POINT BLANK RANGE.
One does not want the trajectory to rise above or fall below the the diameter of the Vital zone of a game animal.
In case of an Urial the vital area is a circle of 12 inches, so one is aiming in the centre of the shoulder the bullet can rise six inches or fall six inches from point of aim and one could still get a vital hit.

The PBR in practice will only help those hunters who fully understand the trajectory, and do not zero at extended ranges; once a rifle is zeroed to shoot at the Max PBR it s Midrange trajectory or the Maximum Ordinate will occur at slightly further than the Midrange point.

Without an intimate knowledge of the trajectory for the particular caliber, bullet, velocity and the accuracy potential of the rifle shots beyond 300 yards without range compensating scopes or adjustable open sights should be avoided