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Ata
29-07-2010, 01:14 PM
Assalam.O.Alaikum,

I will be getting my third license book (sindh) for shotgun next week Inshallah. Currently I have one pump action (DSA) and confused for third one that what should it be?

My expected rang is 25k to 30k for shotgun and purpose is HD. kindly suggest what should I buy other than DSA in my expected range?

Personally I like to buy semi auto shotgun with box mag (China made).

Regards,
Ata

Mani
29-07-2010, 03:02 PM
Hastan Escort pump action.

ARlover
29-07-2010, 03:24 PM
@Ata brother in 30 k hatsan semi auto is great :)

SPAYPANTHER
29-07-2010, 08:45 PM
chines semi atuo with box magazine!!!! are thay avaliable???

Ata
30-07-2010, 10:59 AM
chines semi atuo with box magazine!!!! are thay avaliable???

I was told by someone that it is available at Pioneer arms but I am not sure about it. I have to visit them for checking its availability there.

Rasal.Saleh
30-07-2010, 01:28 PM
Brother Try Tomahawk a Turkish pump action

AK47 bought one and i think he is satisfied
here is the link http://www.pakguns.com/forum/viewtopic.php?id=4106

Its very handy and manageable for inside the house and i personally find its size appealing

Regards

ARlover
30-07-2010, 01:48 PM
i 2nd Rasal.Saleh ata go for it ;)

PUNJTANI5
02-08-2010, 11:35 PM
ata bhaiyya buy turkish semi from ata arms

other wise buy russian saiga 12 ga

if u cant get both or any one of them

i suggest a base ball club + sling shot + airgun + nice sindhi axe
a sabre is also a good suggestion

Shano Shah
03-08-2010, 03:03 AM
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2.
refined or cultured: polite society.
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of a refined or elegant kind: polite learning.
Origin:
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—Related forms
po·lite·ly, adverb
po·lite·ness, noun
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Rasal.Saleh
03-08-2010, 04:18 AM
i beg your pardon sir

I am sorry ShanoShah but i dont follow why all the politeness dictionary refrence

is it some old joke around here these parts ??

Regards

Shano Shah
03-08-2010, 09:42 PM
ata bhaiyya buy turkish semi from ata arms

other wise buy russian saiga 12 ga

if u cant get both or any one of them

i suggest a base ball club + sling shot + airgun + nice sindhi axe
a sabre is also a good suggestion


Reference was for Mr. Punjtan5

MianTaimur
03-08-2010, 09:54 PM
@Shano Shah
I must say.......very well put and posted !! All Pakgunners should follow the decorum of this forum and give respect to fellow members.

@ATA

Bro the best option would be a turkish semi auto as already referred by fellow members.......However please confirm , weather there is availibilty of Chinese shotguns with box type magzine.
Another option could be, that you may precure a local manufactuered shotgun with box type magzine. I have heard some manufacturers are making some good pieces. This way you would also save some cash from your budget for the new license and stock up on ammo. :)

Engineeer
03-08-2010, 09:55 PM
wow we have totaays here ......................look into it ur self and try to buy Turkish guns day r gud 1

Rasal.Saleh
03-08-2010, 10:32 PM
@Mian Sb i have the painful experience of using a local pump box type magazine had FTF issues if not pumped relatively faster than my dads turkish tomahawk otherwise was okay also the bang would make my ears whistle handed it off to my 'muzaara' and "sukh ka saans liya"

Well thats just my opinion

Regards

MianTaimur
03-08-2010, 10:46 PM
@Mian Sb i have the painful experience of using a local pump box type magazine had FTF issues if not pumped relatively faster than my dads turkish tomahawk otherwise was okay also the bang would make my ears whistle handed it off to my 'muzaara' and "sukh ka saans liya"

Well thats just my opinion

Regards

News to me my friend ! As I dont have personel experience of using the paticular weapon..Got a good review/word about it, from a friend as I was in the process of changing all the turkish Akkars given to my staff.

P.s : Just read your post again, you are talking about a local Pump SG with a box magzine or a Semi auto SG with a box magzine !!
I am talking about the Semi SG with Box magzine in G3 shape !

Apalo
03-08-2010, 10:53 PM
Brother Try Tomahawk a Turkish pump action

AK47 bought one and i think he is satisfied
here is the link http://www.pakguns.com/forum/viewtopic.php?id=4106

Its very handy and manageable for inside the house and i personally find its size appealing

Regards
the style beauty and the reliability :)

Rasal.Saleh
03-08-2010, 11:02 PM
@ Mian Taimoor
Sir i am talking about a local pump 12g with a box mag and folding stock
Havent fired the Semi and dont know anyone that has one so i cant offer you any opinion on that... :)

Regards

AK47
03-08-2010, 11:24 PM
@Ata..............Forget the box magazined ones, NEVER!

Apart from non-availability of extra mags, the LOADING itself is one troublesome job, especially if loading under stress, the tubular loading is the simplest, easiest, quickest. :)

Finally, since you already have another security gun, believably with a traditional barrel size of 18" or more, yes, why not something different this time around, the Tomahawk cruise type is ideal, especially if moving around in vehicle, can even be well covered beneath winter clothing! ;)

And yes, I'm well satisfied, 80+shots so far, NO ISSUES!


http://s2.postimage.org/UbZwr.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=TsUbZwr)


http://s4.postimage.org/h8qZ9.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=aVh8qZ9)

MianTaimur
03-08-2010, 11:29 PM
@Rasal.Saleh

Have heard great reviews from friends about the local assembled semi, with box magzine !
Have held it in my hands, finishing is slightly crude and is a little heavy ... compared to a pump......never got a chance to fire it ...... As I am a little reluctant operating local weapons.......but still if a good piece is availible I wont mind giving it a try and even keeping it.
If you get a chance to try it, do update me aswel.

Rasal.Saleh
03-08-2010, 11:34 PM
@ Ak47
Sir, After your review, I recommended this to my dad for HD and we have bought it fired 25 rounds from it 10 with pistol grip and 15 with shoulder stock.
With the shoulder stock the recoil is much bearable and also the aim was much easier on cardboard cutouts roughly in a mans shape fired 6# shaheen from it worked like a dream.

Your Gun is diffrent from the one i have with regards to the sight the style of the barrel and the rail mount on the reciever mine lacks all these.
Nonetheless it works fine and I am happy with it

Regards

AK47
03-08-2010, 11:56 PM
@ Ak47
Sir, After your review, I recommended this to my dad for HD and we have bought it fired 25 rounds from it 10 with pistol grip and 15 with shoulder stock.
With the shoulder stock the recoil is much bearable and also the aim was much easier on cardboard cutouts roughly in a mans shape fired 6# shaheen from it worked like a dream.

Your Gun is diffrent from the one i have with regards to the sight the style of the barrel and the rail mount on the reciever mine lacks all these.
Nonetheless it works fine and I am happy with it

Regards

Congrats Rasal Saleh! :)

Nice to know that you and your Dad are happy with it too! :)

Anyhow, regarding recoil, bear in mind plz, this type of gun is basically not meant to be fired from the shoulder, it's basically a "hip fire" type, in which you lower it to the side and fire from hip position. It requires special handling, coz of it's short barrel.

Nice to see you got good results, I've still not had time to target fire it, shall post a detailed review soon, especially with laser guided shooting. :)

Finally, there may be some cosmetic differences, but I'd still appreciate to see yours posted, just for comparison.

I was informed the other day of this model, I believe there's a minor price difference of some 8-12K, for the added goodies. :)

Happy shooting, anyhow. :)

Rasal.Saleh
04-08-2010, 12:02 AM
Ahhh so that is a laser i see on your gun i thought of a flashlight but yes if it has a laser sight it can be fired from the hip i will think of doing that too and yes the diffrence is about 10k.

I will post pictures as soon as i get my hands on a camera
Happy Shooting

Regards

AK47
04-08-2010, 12:08 AM
Thanks Rasal Saleh, shall await your pics. :)

Well, I got both things attached, laser and flashlight. That pic you mention is old, will post new soon with both things properly installed. :P

Rasal.Saleh
04-08-2010, 12:13 AM
@ AK47

Eagerly waiting for the pics now and thinkin of how will i attach all this to mine
wont mind some "DIY desi " gunsmithing

AK47
04-08-2010, 12:18 AM
@ AK47

Eagerly waiting for the pics now and thinkin of how will i attach all this to mine
wont mind some "DIY desi " gunsmithing

Don't worry, one item may be attachable by barrel end. :)

ARlover
04-08-2010, 12:31 AM
@AK47 as i remember ur first tomahawk give u unwanted trip to lahore this is exchaged piece

AK47
04-08-2010, 12:38 AM
@AK47 as i remember ur first tomahawk give u unwanted trip to lahore this is exchaged piece

Yes, you're right, there was an emergency Lahore visit, and this is the exchanged piece. :)

But, we never came to understand the problem with the first one, Naveed and I, we're still in doubt, it was perhaps due to fake P.O.F ammo! :mad:

Yet we still changed the gun.

The ammo was later confirmed to be fake, even by the dealer from whom we got it! :o

ARlover
04-08-2010, 12:44 AM
@AK47 dealer has good reaviews on pg i find this gun with para i liked very much :)

Rasal.Saleh
04-08-2010, 12:45 AM
Then Sir i think i will get a combo light and laser since you are into all these could you give me a guide about the prices and brands and quaity but please dont refer me an accesorry that costs more than my gun... :P

Regards

AK47
04-08-2010, 01:08 AM
Then Sir i think i will get a combo light and laser since you are into all these could you give me a guide about the prices and brands and quaity but please dont refer me an accesorry that costs more than my gun... :P

Regards

@RS.............Lolz!

No, it's not gonna be anything expensive. If you had purchased the model that I have, I'd have suggested you the G-2 Nitrolon by SureFire for flashlight, priced at 4-5K. It's the one that I'm using, a very solid and nice item. :)

For the laser, I'd suggest one with a green color beam, since it makes daylight items easily target-able. If available, coz it's rare in the better quality department, also at around 3-4K, Chinese, but it's literally the same as those in the U.S, just with different logo/name engravings!

Yet, since your model is without Picatinny rail, we'll have to choose something different, I'll check it out whenever I'm in Psw, don't buy anything in a rush, unless you find something really useful.

After seeing your model on pics, I might be better able to put some suggestions. :)

@Arlover..............Which model available at Para? With heat-shield, Picatinny rail, front sight, or the one that RS got?

ARlover
04-08-2010, 01:21 AM
@ AK47 with heatshield in bluebox one is on display with wheelguns

AK47
04-08-2010, 01:30 AM
@ AK47 with heatshield in bluebox one is on display with wheelguns

Thanks AR, but "Wheelguns", or "Pakwheels", or perhaps "Pakguns"! :rolleyes: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Rasal.Saleh
04-08-2010, 01:39 AM
@ AK47
Sir do you have any idea where 12 gauge is ?
I Have a project that he could work on, custom made Pak Gunners Lasers

Regards

AK47
04-08-2010, 01:45 AM
@RS...........Talked to him today. As regards lasers, quite a complicated task, have checked it out myself, especially with the cooperation of Rotorcrafts. I'm not sure 12 Gauge bro would find it interesting enough, he's more into laser ENGRAVING these days shall mention it to him, but what's specifically on your mind, let me know?

Rasal.Saleh
04-08-2010, 01:56 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfj1n8vPWCE

Sir Here is a video please check it out i think this can be made to work for shotguns if not handguns and rifles

Regards

AK47
04-08-2010, 02:23 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfj1n8vPWCE

Sir Here is a video please check it out i think this can be made to work for shotguns if not handguns and rifles

Regards Checked it out, interesting, but it need not be that complicated! Rotor and I, in theory, and a bit of practical research, were close to fixture of a laser inside following shells:

12 Gauge

7.62X39

9mm!!!

The only problem was diodes, import wasn't easy, and extraction of diodes from other items like play-toys, etc, a bit cumbersome!

We were trying to do a laser boresighter, cartridge type!

With some dedication, I still believe it's possible, Rotor is the man to contact, if you want or need further info. :)

Apalo
04-08-2010, 06:57 AM
now the project is changed from "kindly suggest what should I buy " to what should I make"
nice move brothers, IMHO, we should organized the skills of our members so we would be able to help the other members and the Pakistani's as well.
Senior Members ?

Rasal.Saleh
04-08-2010, 05:25 PM
I second Apalo
I think somebody should start the thread PakGuns Custom Shop
Where we could pool our info and resources together to develop stuff for Pak Gunners

Anybody ???

Regards

Rasal.Saleh
04-08-2010, 05:26 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfj1n8vPWCE

Sir Here is a video please check it out i think this can be made to work for shotguns if not handguns and rifles

Regards Checked it out, interesting, but it need not be that complicated! Rotor and I, in theory, and a bit of practical research, were close to fixture of a laser inside following shells:

12 Gauge

7.62X39

9mm!!!

The only problem was diodes, import wasn't easy, and extraction of diodes from other items like play-toys, etc, a bit cumbersome!

We were trying to do a laser boresighter, cartridge type!

With some dedication, I still believe it's possible, Rotor is the man to contact, if you want or need further info. :)

Well if you guys want any help ill be more than willing.... And btw if you would float this idea to rotorcrafts as well :)

Regards

Ata
06-08-2010, 12:31 PM
@Ata..............Forget the box magazined ones, NEVER!

Apart from non-availability of extra mags, the LOADING itself is one troublesome job, especially if loading under stress, the tubular loading is the simplest, easiest, quickest. :)

Finally, since you already have another security gun, believably with a traditional barrel size of 18" or more, yes, why not something different this time around, the Tomahawk cruise type is ideal, especially if moving around in vehicle, can even be well covered beneath winter clothing! ;)

And yes, I'm well satisfied, 80+shots so far, NO ISSUES!


http://s2.postimage.org/UbZwr.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=TsUbZwr)


http://s4.postimage.org/h8qZ9.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=aVh8qZ9)

@AK47, thanks brother for your recommendation. I was already considering your option as it looks more feasible for me. Kindly let me know how much you paid for this beauty.

Ata
06-08-2010, 12:37 PM
@ARlover,
@Rasal.Saleh,
@MianTaimur,
@AK47,

Thanks all for your very valuable contribution

AK47
06-08-2010, 12:42 PM
@Ata...............You're welcome! :)

Lahore price some 6 months ago or so was 33K, can't say of today, some Lhr member will have to check it out. Have you come across this one in KHI? :)

Ata
06-08-2010, 12:48 PM
@Ata...............You're welcome! :)

Lahore price some 6 months ago or so was 33K, can't say of today, some Lhr member will have to check it out. Have you come across this one in KHI? :)

well I couldn't visit market due to very bad law and order sitution in karachi but Hopefully I will check it next week.

AK47
06-08-2010, 12:52 PM
@Ata...........O.K, best of luck. Just remember, this type needs a bit more careful handling, but I know you'll get used to it. Once into it, it's pure"makhan", don't worry! :)

Let's know, from your shopping tour. :)