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ARlover
25-07-2010, 09:43 PM
brothers hunting sesion is near plz advice me what i chose for hunting rifle .270 or .243 TAKE THIS MATTER AS URGENT CASE

Dr Hanif Malik
25-07-2010, 09:51 PM
please shift to rifle section,this is hand gun thread thanks:)

Mig
25-07-2010, 09:55 PM
@ARlover. Again on fire. !!!

Well, both are very nice calibers. But My Vote go for a .270

Abu Al Hawl
25-07-2010, 11:15 PM
AR, what are you planning to hunt down from ether of one of caliber??

ARlover
25-07-2010, 11:19 PM
ABH bro some thing big atleast biger then a goat :lol:

Abu Al Hawl
25-07-2010, 11:25 PM
like what bigger than a goat, and where in Pakistan, my i know please?

ARlover
25-07-2010, 11:30 PM
my plan is in winter to arrangment with huntingmaster for some big game where still i dont know

Abu Al Hawl
25-07-2010, 11:33 PM
so do you think huntingmaster has bigger animal than a goat for you!

ARlover
25-07-2010, 11:38 PM
sir i dont understand what u want to know

Abu Al Hawl
25-07-2010, 11:41 PM
bigger animal!

ARlover
25-07-2010, 11:49 PM
what u advice brother Abu Al Hawl what kind of animal is beter

Abu Al Hawl
25-07-2010, 11:51 PM
well in Pakistan i dont know some thing bigger than a goat, may be my lack of knowledge!

Kakar
26-07-2010, 12:01 AM
ARlover bro.. .243 has less power and range than a .270.

The maximum you can hunt with a 243 is a deer at slightly more than 200 yards whereas with a 270 you can hunt a bigger animal at quite far than that range.

With a 243 you will have to make a head or heart shot to bring down a bigger animal at 200+ yards where as with a 270 you don't require that.. this is why a 270 would be an overkill for a medium size animal at short distance but you can take care of that issue by using bullets of different grainage.

I would advise you to go for a 270 without any second thought.

ARlover
26-07-2010, 12:04 AM
Kakar brother wich model is good

Kakar
26-07-2010, 12:19 AM
bother ARlover.. most popular and available is winchester 270 model 70 bolt action.. should be around 110k or if your budget is more then go for winchester 270 featherweight which should be around 250k.

Abu lala.. bhai itna bura haal bhi nahin hai Pakistan ka.. Animals bigger than a goat are also found in Pakistan which include Markhor, hog deer, blue cow (neel gaey), crocodile, black bear, leopard and snow leopard.

ARlover
26-07-2010, 12:24 AM
Kakar brother thanks for ur help i go featherweight

Apalo
26-07-2010, 12:39 AM
best of luck ARLove, do let us know before going to hunt, and a treat with hunting meat will be extra favor :D

ARlover
26-07-2010, 12:42 AM
apalo brother go togather on hunt dont wory:lol:

Apalo
26-07-2010, 12:45 AM
apalo brother go togather on hunt dont wory:lol:
i hope you will not consider me a big animal than goat for hunt :D
i know humans are also social animals :D

ARlover
26-07-2010, 12:47 AM
i like ur joke :lol:

Apalo
26-07-2010, 12:59 AM
i like ur joke :lol:
and i am honored :)

ARlover
26-07-2010, 01:30 AM
wellcome brother ;)

Dr Hanif Malik
26-07-2010, 07:07 AM
apalo brother go togather on hunt dont wory:lol:
i hope you will not consider me a big animal than goat for hunt :D
i know humans are also social animals :D
@lala apalo,bus dar gay?:)

Apalo
26-07-2010, 11:08 AM
apalo brother go togather on hunt dont wory:lol:
i hope you will not consider me a big animal than goat for hunt :D
i know humans are also social animals :D
@lala apalo,bus dar gay?:)
I am not afraid for hunting and love to go for hunt but i dont want to be a beat :)

Engineeer
26-07-2010, 11:13 AM
brothers hunting sesion is near plz advice me what i chose for hunting rifle .270 or .243 TAKE THIS MATTER AS URGENT CASE
i was confused but study shows that .243 is sniper cal i have had experience of hunting down at 500 m with scope neela(much bigger then goat that was my nightmare shot). no head shot normal shoot as per teaching. .270 is also good cal. i have both but will prefer to take .243 for hunting. brno .243 is very good one i found aval @ 85k to 95k depending upon ur bargain ability. as hunter there are certain question one must not ask........... like location and who ru when u will go until unless one is willing to discuss that..... sorry for this but it has been seen mostly q being asked.............

http://s3.postimage.org/6b5CJ.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=Pq6b5CJ)
in the middle is my .243 brno with telescope.

ARlover
26-07-2010, 11:40 AM
@Engineeer brother may i know how much this cost u with scope and from where

Oasis
26-07-2010, 02:28 PM
ARlover bro.. .243 has less power and range than a .270.

The maximum you can hunt with a 243 is a deer at slightly more than 200 yards whereas with a 270 you can hunt a bigger animal at quite far than that range.

With a 243 you will have to make a head or heart shot to bring down a bigger animal at 200+ yards where as with a 270 you don't require that.. this is why a 270 would be an overkill for a medium size animal at short distance but you can take care of that issue by using bullets of different grainage.

I would advise you to go for a 270 without any second thought.


AOA...

Many thx kakar bro for above information.

Thx.

Viking
26-07-2010, 04:58 PM
bro i suggest u dont go with .243 us se acha go with 7mm or 7mm mag ,there is no ammo availability issue with 7mm n far better then 243 in all terms .

Skeeter60
26-07-2010, 08:59 PM
brothers hunting sesion is near plz advice me what i chose for hunting rifle .270 or .243 TAKE THIS MATTER AS URGENT CASE
i was confused but study shows that .243 is sniper cal i have had experience of hunting down at 500 m with scope neela(much bigger then goat that was my nightmare shot). no head shot normal shoot as per teaching. .270 is also good cal. i have both but will prefer to take .243 for hunting. brno .243 is very good one i found aval @ 85k to 95k depending upon ur bargain ability. as hunter there are certain question one must not ask........... like location and who ru when u will go until unless one is willing to discuss that..... sorry for this but it has been seen mostly q being asked.............

http://s3.postimage.org/6b5CJ.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=Pq6b5CJ)
in the middle is my .243 brno with telescope.

Please have MERCY on us

Engineeer
26-07-2010, 09:24 PM
@Engineeer brother may i know how much this cost u with scope and from where
i got it from Peshawar 85k gun n 23k scope. ammo 250 per round. see the projectile in bullet and charge behind it u will know about range and accuracy of .243. i hit a balloon at 800m. one of the bro on pg bought it week back he has tested it also. good results. still this is my experience may b some brothers have different of opinion.as difference of opinion is right of every one but surly .243 has less power than .270 n 7mm but as for as range is concerned .243 has edge over those two. muzzle velocity is also more in case of .243. if you see trajectory and zero it on 25m you get zero again on 250. (80grn)
i am writing here what is my experience.
http://s4.postimage.org/NdQ19.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=aVNdQ19)
some of my collection rest i cant show here
starting top right

Winchester ranger 1300 16'' n 28'' with three chocks
English sxs Westley Richards
Stevens 24'' 28'' 32'' USA sbbl
English dbbl sxs 16 Gage
china air gun .22 cal 35 years old i started my hunting with this gun and maximum score of bird shooting did with that little
gun
starting from left top

mp 153
brno .243 bolt action
8mm Mauser bolt action
Diana 55 heavy model .22cal
krico 260 model .22 rifle 15 shots. semi auto and bolt action both with left side gas control Germany

ARlover
26-07-2010, 09:28 PM
Engineeer brother great collection of rifles :)

Engineeer
26-07-2010, 09:31 PM
brothers hunting sesion is near plz advice me what i chose for hunting rifle .270 or .243 TAKE THIS MATTER AS URGENT CASE
i was confused but study shows that .243 is sniper cal i have had experience of hunting down at 500 m with scope neela(much bigger then goat that was my nightmare shot). no head shot normal shoot as per teaching. .270 is also good cal. i have both but will prefer to take .243 for hunting. brno .243 is very good one i found aval @ 85k to 95k depending upon ur bargain ability. as hunter there are certain question one must not ask........... like location and who ru when u will go until unless one is willing to discuss that..... sorry for this but it has been seen mostly q being asked.............

http://s3.postimage.org/6b5CJ.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=Pq6b5CJ)
in the middle is my .243 brno with telescope.

Please have MERCY on us
okay i will have MERCY ON U ........hahahahaahah actually animal was front looking at us the bullet went by chance right below the neck front and through skin to heart drooping in it. it had to hit skin only and straight to heart .....happy now..

Engineeer
26-07-2010, 09:34 PM
Engineeer brother great collection of rifles :)
thanx man

Skeeter60
27-07-2010, 01:37 AM
Engineer

Your scope is intriguing me, is it an old German Zeiss or Pecar (also made by Zeiss) ?

These are great scopes with hand ground lenses and no modern scope comes near these in clarity, if it is what I think it is a Pre War Pecar or Zeiss

MIdreesTaj
27-07-2010, 03:02 AM
Engineer

Your scope is intriguing me, is it an old German Zeiss or Pecar (also made by Zeiss) ?

These are great scopes with hand ground lenses and no modern scope comes near these in clarity, if it is what I think it is a Pre War Pecar or Zeiss

adding to above:
Carl Zeiss a german optician is known to be founder of this outclass optics manufacturing. They are like rolls royce of optics be it rifle scopes/spotting scopes binos/ camera lenses. Even Sony is now manufacturing their top High definition cameras with Zeiss Optics.
Like Zeiss: Schmidt & Bender and Swarovski are simple world's best and pricey scopes.
Leupolds have a vast variety and have models to suit budgetary constraints. Bang for the buck wise it is hard to beat leupold's line of scopes.

MIdreesTaj
27-07-2010, 03:21 AM
@ARlover

.243 is a light kicking necked down .308 cartridge. bullet weights are mid 100 to 100 grains. Velocity ranges from 4k to 2.9k FPS respectively. Known as flat shooting fast bullet. Due to its smaller caliber bullet is not ideal for game larger than a deer. However if used with enough expertise to hit dead on vitals has medium penetration with heavier loads to work on slightly bigger animals than deer like elk/bear. (not grizzly)

.270 is based on 30-06 springfield cartridge more or less. bullet weights are from 90 to 150 grains and velocity ranging from 2.8 to 3.6k FPS. Due to bigger caliber it more ideal for deer hunting and bigger animals the size of elk bear etc.

If we forget the higher availability and feasibility of caliber 7x57mm Mauser in Pakistan, still will be 7mm more versatile and useful as a hunting rifle than both of the .243 and .270.

Shano Shah
27-07-2010, 03:37 AM
Dear Engineeer,

500 and 800 meters amazing shots, I am impressed.

I would love to read more about these shots. Like you took them free hand or used rest, what were the angles, neela was taken in day or night, size of the balloon, bullet type and make etc.

If possible please write in detail. Thanks

Turumti
27-07-2010, 03:56 AM
I would also like to know how much was the bullet drop at that range.

Dr Hanif Malik
27-07-2010, 07:36 AM
Dear Engineeer,

500 and 800 meters amazing shots, I am impressed.

I would love to read more about these shots. Like you took them free hand or used rest, what were the angles, neela was taken in day or night, size of the balloon, bullet type and make etc.

If possible please write in detail. Thanks

interesting some long range shooters are here:)

Engineeer
27-07-2010, 03:10 PM
we are three users at this name and our friend afridi as usual will disclose some thing very very unusual........i am Nadeen second man is afridi and third man in khalid we three believe that it is the best site for Pakistani and outsiders also. its a zabardast job done to get us all at one place.
okay now coming on to subject yes it is carl zeiss. i saw one theodolite fixed with it and it showed me an object at 2.5 km civil engineering and we took reading also so i ordered this and got it 10 years back. nikon was the other impressive apparatus that i used in civil engineering.
we were having break in hunting bird shooting and we all bet that .243 can't reach 800m i mean sight fired not drop zone so we fixed a balloon condom (sorry) inflated at 800m and it was hit by khalid. some Russian doves(labair) passed over us and sat on tree later checked 473m we all had a bet that cal 30 tt chinees pistol bullet cant reach there a roast goat was on bet it did hit the tree and doves came back flying over us again i dont know weather some one will believe it or not but i saw bullet tracer dropping in tree bunian tree(bar ).
coming over to neela this is nightmare shot and should not be quoted here but neela was at 509m. actually man standing at 600 yds looks like hair at bottom of the tail of cow and covered fully behind front sight tip. so the neela was looking at us front towards us bullet drop was about 68'' as per shooter's calculations its was lucky shot went in from front below the neck and hit right in heart. we had to request neighbor country ranger to pull it and push it across to us. telescope is too good. i tried 30 bore tt again and fellow sitting at 500 informed on cell that bullet did hit the rock. the fire was in trajectory fashion not straight shoot.

Shano Shah
27-07-2010, 07:39 PM
Dear Engineeer,

Once again I must say amazing shots. Balloon condom was colored or transparent?
You did not mention that the shots by you and Khalid were free hand? Please tell us about the ammo i.e weight type and manufacture.

Thanks

MIdreesTaj
27-07-2010, 08:47 PM
@Engineeer nice explanation of fun shooting bro...
just to add a bit for readers:

Tokarev round if fired parellel to ground from average height of a standing man say 5 feet would not roughly travel more than 250 meters before hitting the ground. The reason being pull of gravity which is same for a projectile moving parallel to earth's surface or moving vertical. This pull of gravity (32feet/sec) will require roughly 0.5 sec for a bullet to drop to ground surface. Even if you pick a bullet in your hand and drop it from 5 feet same results. So what matters is how much feet will it travel in .5 sec before hitting to ground. TOK is 1500FPS bullet on average. In a second it will travel 1500 feet out of a 5 inch barrel. 750 feet it will travel in half sec. Converting to meters now it says 1 foot = 0.3048 meters, resultant is 230meters approx. So anything beyond 250 meters will require compensation.

Engineeer
27-07-2010, 08:49 PM
X243 WSS Super-X 243 WSSM 100grn Winchester
we warped toilet paper around it .............................

Engineeer
27-07-2010, 09:02 PM
@m idrees taj yes been long that i took physics class very nice explanation but at time there are so many variable factors that change this phenomenon also. i was shocked to see friend doctor shooting down big bore with one shot .22 cal rifle. the fact was that it hit the animal right 2'' below ear and it was dead drop. i walked back 2 times to shooting place saw the loc of bore and traveled to see it was a shock. distance was 67m. on an other trip a bore was shot with #8 kartoos 12 bore shot distance 13m and bore was dead drop.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vKSI7MQhB0o
tihs is nice explanation to Mr. idreestaj concept

Shano Shah
28-07-2010, 03:41 AM
we warped toilet paper around it ............................

Great innovation

bigbore
28-07-2010, 07:59 AM
@ARlover. Again on fire. !!!

Well, both are very nice calibers. But My Vote go for a .270


X2, my vote goes to .270 aswell, a very nice flat shooting calibre, ideal for deer, ibex, gazelle, sheep. i don`t think there is any animal in pak which the .270 can`t bring down.

Engineeer
28-07-2010, 10:24 AM
@ARlover. Again on fire. !!!

Well, both are very nice calibers. But My Vote go for a .270


X2, my vote goes to .270 as well, a very nice flat shooting caliber, ideal for deer, ibex, gazelle, sheep. i don`t think there is any animal in pak which the .270 can`t bring down.
yes i agree with u but neela and hog deer(para) at times don't get dead dropped. if u go to northern areas then ibex (snow bound area) markhor and blue sheep yes markopolo sheep also would be difficult to hunt down as u have to be at a distance from the animal. now please buy any 1 u like n lets have some good pictures of that. hahahahahahahah

Engineeer
28-07-2010, 09:33 PM
see .243 range

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7GpBTRyixe4
900 yds

bigbore
29-07-2010, 12:52 AM
@ARlover. Again on fire. !!!

Well, both are very nice calibers. But My Vote go for a .270


X2, my vote goes to .270 as well, a very nice flat shooting caliber, ideal for deer, ibex, gazelle, sheep. i don`t think there is any animal in pak which the .270 can`t bring down.
yes i agree with u but neela and hog deer(para) at times don't get dead dropped. if u go to northern areas then ibex (snow bound area) markhor and blue sheep yes markopolo sheep also would be difficult to hunt down as u have to be at a distance from the animal. now please buy any 1 u like n lets have some good pictures of that. hahahahahahahah

i agree, but when hit at the right spot you can bring down any animal with any caliber , 270 is well suitable for hunting para, sindh ibex, sheep. actually i prefer hunting with .308 more than .270.

mhrehman
29-07-2010, 01:26 AM
+1 to big bore about the .308, and wow do we have got shooters here or what, 500m-800m, quiet impressive and nice to know.

Engineeer
30-07-2010, 10:08 AM
thanx bos for ur comments .............hehehehehehe

Shano Shah
31-07-2010, 02:03 AM
Great innovation. Wrapping toilet paper around a transparent condom.

Please visit Lahore and teach us the art to spot a condom wrapped with toilet paper at 800 Meter through a Riflescope.

Regards.

Abbas
31-07-2010, 02:13 AM
:lol:

Skeeter60
31-07-2010, 08:13 AM
Was the toilet paper BLACK in colour??
How did you make it stick? I guess by using the condom first and then wrapping the black tissue paper around.
Guys we hunters are already called as liars and people who exaggerate; so please be kind and consider this.

ChocTalpur
31-07-2010, 01:16 PM
brothers hunting sesion is near plz advice me what i chose for hunting rifle .270 or .243 TAKE THIS MATTER AS URGENT CASE
i was confused but study shows that .243 is sniper cal i have had experience of hunting down at 500 m with scope neela(much bigger then goat that was my nightmare shot). no head shot normal shoot as per teaching. .270 is also good cal. i have both but will prefer to take .243 for hunting. brno .243 is very good one i found aval @ 85k to 95k depending upon ur bargain ability. as hunter there are certain question one must not ask........... like location and who ru when u will go until unless one is willing to discuss that..... sorry for this but it has been seen mostly q being asked.............

http://s3.postimage.org/6b5CJ.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=Pq6b5CJ)
in the middle is my .243 brno with telescope.

Please have MERCY on us

:D

Birdshooter007
31-07-2010, 02:15 PM
go for .270

ARlover
01-08-2010, 12:06 AM
@Chauhadry brother i think for .270 :)

Birdshooter007
01-08-2010, 12:25 AM
Good Choice

ARlover
01-08-2010, 01:03 AM
@Chauhadry thanks brother