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Abbas
14-07-2010, 12:25 AM
Salams All,

A few months ago I test fired an Adkal Ghost TR 02 at the range and it sparked my interest into buying one and testing it out in more detail. Some specs and first impressions.

It's a single action, semi automatic chambered in 9mm, weighing about 750 g with a barrel length of 113mm (4.44 Inches) holding 15(+1) rounds. Although this pistol is technically very much a clone of the Glock 17 the frame seems more inspired by Walther P99. My area of interest for this review is however, is this the 'average man's Glock' ? and perhaps an alternate to the highly popular CF98 ?

Before I go on, I would like to say that there can never be a fair comparison of a product priced at Rs. 250,000 ($3000) and one priced at Rs. 32,000 ($ 400). The higher priced product will always be built of better materials so look at the Adkal with an open mind.

Holding the Ghost for the first time I was surprised that it did not feel cheap and plasticly at all, infact it fit snugly into my hand and felt very solid. Looks wise the gun is beautiful, aesthetically pleasing and the finish is surprisingly good. The Adkal ships with a lighter recoil spring than the Glock, much smoother slide realize and about half a pound lighter trigger pull at perhaps 4.75lb than the Glock's 5.5 lb. Dry firing a few times the trigger pull of the Adkal is almost unpredictable compared to the Glock's relatively deep, precise and crisp trigger. With the Glock you know exactly at what stage of the trigger pull the gun will go off, with the Adkal every shot is a surprise. At first I thought it was a bad thing but then I realized the surprise element helps getting rid of any flinching if the trigger is being squeezed.

The loaded chamber indicator is excellently placed at the rear of the slide. A large red dot reminds one that the striker is cocked and ready for action. The pistol comes with three interchangeable back straps to suit different hands and comfort levels. The polymer frame with the rubber backstraps make for a really comfortable grip.

Another interesting thing is when I first saw the Ghost it made me think it's the size of the Glock 19 but when I put it next to my 17 it turned out to be slightly larger than even it ! The shape and ergonomics are excellent, even though it is a large frame pistol it doesn't look it and is very handy.

Since almost every internal detail resembled the Glock, in the interest of science (and stupidity) I tried to see if the barrels were interchangeable. They are not. Two wasted hours of my life, half a bottle of Hoppes lubricating oil and a rubber mallet were needed to fix things.

Glock magazines also do not fit the Ghost as they are sized somewhere in between the 17's and the 19's mags.

There have been quite a few queries as to the differences between the TR-02, TR-03 and TR-04. Quite simply there are none except minor aesthetics. The only difference between the TR-03 and the TR-02 is the texture of the grip. The 03 has a flat and grainy grip texture like the Glock17. The 04 has a 02 like grip but the slide has finger grooves in the back only (to pull back the slide) not the barrel end as well like the 02 and 03.

Disassembling the Ghost is easy and very Glock like, the barrel and spring look to be of decent quality and the internal finish of the slide is fair to good. It seems failing to replicate the Tenifer coating process of the Glock barrel Adkal tried to add durability by making it thicker and heavier. This is perhaps why it weights 100 or so g's more than the 17.

The pistol comes with a firing pin safety and a safe action trigger like the Glock. It seems to work well, I tried to pull the trigger back but it did not budge without the center trigger depressed.

I am looking forward to testing it at the range coming weekend and only after firing a few hundred rounds though it will be able to comment on it's reliability and accuracy. For the moment, without firing it, I'm quite impressed considering what I spent.

Below are detailed pictures of the Ghost and compared to a Glock 17.

http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii99/AbbasMalik/1_resize.jpg

http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii99/AbbasMalik/2_resize.jpg

http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii99/AbbasMalik/3_resize.jpg

http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii99/AbbasMalik/4_resize.jpg

http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii99/AbbasMalik/5_resize.jpg

http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii99/AbbasMalik/6_resize.jpg

http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii99/AbbasMalik/7_resize.jpg

http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii99/AbbasMalik/8_resize.jpg

A closer look at the slide finish. (Excuse the grains on the Adkal btw, I cleaned it in hurry with a cotton cloth which left fibers and the Adkal frame is also not very camera friendly).

http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii99/AbbasMalik/9_resize.jpg

http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii99/AbbasMalik/10_resize.jpg

http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii99/AbbasMalik/11_resize.jpg

http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii99/AbbasMalik/12_resize.jpg

The Adkal mag is in the center and for comparison a Glock 17 mag on the left and a Glock 19 mag on the right.

http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii99/AbbasMalik/13_resize.jpg

Not Trueglo or Trijcon ;) but glow in the dark paint kinda thing. Also notice the uncocked indicator in this picture and in a cocked state in the next one.

http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii99/AbbasMalik/14_resize.jpg

http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii99/AbbasMalik/15_resize.jpg

Backstraps.

http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii99/AbbasMalik/16_resize.jpg

http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii99/AbbasMalik/17_resize.jpg

http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii99/AbbasMalik/18_resize.jpg

GUNFREAK
14-07-2010, 12:58 AM
@Abbas sir, you sure have got my attention on this questionable weapon. Please do post your experience after a few hundred rounds.

Regards

Aquarius
14-07-2010, 01:05 AM
Very good review, excellent pictures and great comparison Chief.. will be waiting for your input after you fire some few hundred rounds through it... :)

KageFox
14-07-2010, 01:11 AM
Great Photos Chief! Who knows, maybe this Akdal can really become the average Joe's Glock. Like you, I too am surprised to see the quality of its finish.

It looks as if someone mated the Walther P99 and the Glock, resulting in the Akdal Ghost as the offspring! :D

Well, I sincerely hope it performs better than its predecessor, that only time and range performance can tell. Awaiting your range report... :)

Happy Shooting!

AK47
14-07-2010, 01:13 AM
Not only back, but back in full swing Chief, picking up the beautiful ugly "duckling", much has been said about the Ghost, in fact I feel it's "secretely" admired by many yet nobody dares take the risk of going for it, let's see what your range review reveals, just make sure plz it takes place THIS Sunday, feels pretty much like a long awaited "thriller" episode!

Faheem
14-07-2010, 07:18 AM
Abbas sb thank you so much for sharing the excellent review of Akdal ghost with us. Its look really awesome, I have also checked this gun in some shops its simply superbe in very economical price 32 to 34k....

Waiting for the test results .....

khanjee
14-07-2010, 08:38 AM
@ ABBAS Bhai

Being new to firearms & having very little knowledge about guns, i would not be able to give any technical feedback but the way you presented the both guns, its comparison and especially the photography is superb.

noumanzaidi
14-07-2010, 09:38 AM
great comparison brother :D

Topak
14-07-2010, 11:51 AM
considering its price its good piece.
finish is good,hope it will satisfy you.
there may be some miss fires from it,so please dont worry about it.take it as range pistol.i will suggest you to never depend on it as SD/HD pistol.

Abbas
14-07-2010, 02:06 PM
Thank you, I'm really suffering from an itchy trigger finger for this one ! I think Chinese and Russian ammo should be used for testing as the prospective buyers of this weapon are not going to be using anything else.

@Ak Thanks :) InshAllah I'll call you soon. Haven't spoken to you in quite a bit.

@Topak I would never consider carrying any pistol that I haven't fired atleast 500 rounds from without a single jam or issue. Currently for carrying I rotate between the Cz999, Canik Piranha, PT145 and the Glock 17.

@Gunfreak You're a great addition to our forum and have some great handguns I hear. Post in detail reviews of them whenever you can.

@Aquarius Missed you last time around in Peshawar. You must visit us in Lahore soon.

BERETTA
14-07-2010, 02:49 PM
Lets hope it is good enough to replace the cf 98 :D

Slayerjatt
14-07-2010, 03:08 PM
so the ugly duckling is here. can't wait for the review. you never know it might become the next forum's favourite handgun.

Sonnenkind
14-07-2010, 03:39 PM
Great initial review Abbas. Design wise, awesome comparison with the Glock 17, and quite surprising. How do you feel the internals are in comparison to the CF 98's internals, in terms of how the materials/construction appears to you and how they interlock and work together.

Looking fwd to the range review

AK47
14-07-2010, 04:17 PM
@Chief..........Thanks bro, miss talking to you too :). In fact, there's another important issue I need to talk to you about, yet I'd appreciate if you'd check out this thread first:

http://www.pakguns.com/forum/viewtopic.php?id=4055

Kindly pay attention to post 59 onwards, need some advice before next step! :)

Finally, back to the Ghost, well, I returned from the hills yesterday night and finally got the chance to view your pics above, and I can only say, the Ghost indeed is superb in looks, praying now that it passes your test, especially the trigger issue. :|

Chief, Akdal make beautiful weapons, really beautiful and attractive pieces, take i.e the 12 Gauge MKA 1919 shotgun, the Akdal 06 .22 mini pocket gun, I've posted both in Window shopping, really just wish this maker sometime soon in the future gets into the right equilibrium of looks and functionality of it's products, that would be a great day indeed, let's see however, looking forward to see the cure of your finger "itch"! ;)

Ali Akbar
14-07-2010, 05:18 PM
@cheif realy beautiful review looking forward to its range report

Glocky
14-07-2010, 05:58 PM
@Abbas, whats with the 10 round G19 magazine ?? why not the standard issue 15. You got a Cali compliant G19 :P

GUNFREAK
14-07-2010, 06:21 PM
Thank you, I'm really suffering from an itchy trigger finger for this one ! I think Chinese and Russian ammo should be used for testing as the prospective buyers of this weapon are not going to be using anything else.

@Ak Thanks :) InshAllah I'll call you soon. Haven't spoken to you in quite a bit.

@Topak I would never consider carrying any pistol that I haven't fired atleast 500 rounds from without a single jam or issue. Currently for carrying I rotate between the Cz999, Canik Piranha, PT145 and the Glock 17.

@Gunfreak You're a great addition to our forum and have some great handguns I hear. Post in detail reviews of them whenever you can.

@Aquarius Missed you last time around in Peshawar. You must visit us in Lahore soon.

Yes Captain will do, going on vacation tommorow; when i return inshallah i will post.

Regards

Gilani
14-07-2010, 07:21 PM
Nice pics Abbas sahib. Waiting for the range results :)

Usama
14-07-2010, 08:56 PM
Lets hope it is good enough to replace the cf 98 :D

+1 , waiting for range report :)

Mangloo Ramzani
14-07-2010, 10:19 PM
Nice pics and comparison! Lets see some range results! :)

If it performs on the range, I think then we have a winner! Construction seems good, ergonomics (as told by Abbas Sb)are good, looks good, lets see if it performs good as well.

BTW, what does the manual say about it barrel life? and any comments by members on feeding it with POF 2Z ammo??

Abbas
15-07-2010, 02:26 AM
Thanks. I'm glad the pics bring out a clear comparison between the Glock and the Adkal. Eagerly awaiting range day !

@Sonnenkind Much better finished and much more solidly built than the CF.

@Mangloo Ramzani The manual says 25,000 rounds. Btw almost all Turkish weapons have a 25 K rounds barrel life. I hear this is a mostly due to the fact that one factory in Turkey (which is Government sponsored because of heavy investment required) manufactures barrels for most if not all new gun manufactures.

@Glocky Welcome back ! Lol my G19 came with standard mags, I bought two 10 rounders for range use.

12GAUGE
15-07-2010, 04:44 AM
The manual says 25,000 rounds. Btw almost all Turkish weapons have a 25 K rounds barrel life. I hear this is a mostly due to the fact that one factory in Turkey (which is Government sponsored because of heavy investment required) manufactures barrels for most if not all new gun manufactures.

You are absolutely right Abbas Bhai. The factory is called MKEK. similar to our POF Wah. it is state owned and churns out hammer forged barrels for the local (Turkish) firearms industry. as per my knowledge, hammer forging machines are extremely expensive (as in millions of dollars). usually state owned or large private firearms manufacturing companies can afford such a heavy investment. up side is that they can churn out high quality barrels (at a much higher production rate) which can be sold to small manufacturers.

here is the link to their website:

http://www.mkek.gov.tr/english/main.aspx

Regards.

Dr Hanif Malik
15-07-2010, 06:58 AM
@abbas sahib,realy great pics,before this pistol was under rated by members now let see after the range test,accuracy wise,function wise and also check it on fast firing rate with help of other members:)thanks for sharing this beauti:)

Anthrax
15-07-2010, 08:30 AM
Congratulations on the new purchase!

A thick fog surrounds this particular weapon. Its an eye candy, that's for sure, but somehow it always repels the noble people around it. Capitano, its time you set sail for uncharted waters. :P

Afzaal
15-07-2010, 04:21 PM
an excellent review
Soon i will have fresh Moi in hand Inshallah.
So your range report is damn crucial for many guys incl me.
Thankx for posting complete review
We ll be waiting range report.

TT-33
15-07-2010, 05:05 PM
Congrat Abbas Bhai for your new Purchase it looks Good against its Price, it will become popular soon bcz those who like glock but can't purchase will buy it.

139
15-07-2010, 08:45 PM
Will be keenly awaiting range report from Abbass bhai... can any please dilate upon how its safety works..

Thanks in advance..

139

139
16-07-2010, 09:01 AM
and Abbas from which dealer you got it.. last i checked from PARA they did had it...

139

khurramdool
16-07-2010, 09:43 AM
Abbas bhai simply marvelous as usual, waiting for R.Report......

TT-33
16-07-2010, 10:48 AM
I saw four Models of Akdal Ghost TR Pistols, TR01, TR02, TR03 & TR04 can you Abbas Bhai/or any one else explain the difference b/w all the four Models?

Arsenal763
16-07-2010, 02:36 PM
i just got the test fire video link for Akdal Ghost TR-01/02.. take a look...
http://www.akdalarms.com/ghost_movie.html

Gilani
16-07-2010, 04:18 PM
Arsenal763 brother, this movie has been made by Akdal Arms. Obviously, it conveys that Akdal Ghost is the best pistol in the world. The practical experience of Akdal Ghost, however, has been quite pathetic so far. Unless Akdal guys have done some drastic improvements in their quality recently, Ghost is not going to be a match to CF98 in my view. :)

I have shot couple of hundred rounds with two Akdals, one was TR1 and the other was TR2. To say the least, my experience with this gun was pathetic. Lots of stoppages, poor trigger and low accuracy were the salient observations. But I just tried two guns. May be they were lemons and other guns manufactured by Akdal are great guns :rolleyes:

Lets hope Akdal comes up with something worth buying :)

Abbas
16-07-2010, 04:52 PM
I saw four Models of Akdal Ghost TR Pistols, TR01, TR02, TR03 & TR04 can you Abbas Bhai/or any one else explain the difference b/w all the four Models?



There have been quite a few queries as to the differences between the TR-02, TR-03 and TR-04. Quite simply there are none except minor aesthetics. The only difference between the TR-03 and the TR-02 is the texture of the grip. The 03 has a flat and grainy grip texture like the Glock17. The 04 has a 02 like grip but the slide has finger grooves in the back only (to pull back the slide) not the barrel end as well like the 02 and 03.

Abbas
17-07-2010, 07:33 PM
Time to put all the curiosity about the Akdal Ghost to an end. Quite simply It's a piece of junk. I have fired bad handguns and really really crap handguns but the Ghost is in a league of it's own. Here are some pictures and the whole experience below.

Getting ready for the test: I dug out my little spare ammo vase which has all sorts of ammo in it. 8 different kinds to be precise

http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii99/AbbasMalik/1-2.jpg

At the range ready for testing:

http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii99/AbbasMalik/2-2.jpg

The variety of ammo available: 3 kinds of Chinese bullets, 2 kinds of Wolf, Serbian, Philippines, 4 different years of manufacture of POF 2Z.

http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii99/AbbasMalik/3-2.jpg

First Shot:

http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii99/AbbasMalik/6-2.jpg

Last Shot and every single one in between:

http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii99/AbbasMalik/7-2.jpg

Primer Strikes:

http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii99/AbbasMalik/4-2.jpg

Target:

http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii99/AbbasMalik/5-2.jpg

I couldn't believe how bad and unreliable a pistol the Ghost is, I'm even more surprised that how could the Turkish Export promotion authority allow such a product as the Ghost to be sold out of their country. This is by far the most unreliable pistol I have ever fired or seen or heard off. In the 75 or so odd rounds I fired, truthfully without any exaggeration every single round failed to load/eject. In just one instance with Wolf ammo I fired a consecutive 5 shots and after that could not fire even two together (tried both mags). I thought worst case scenario all 7 kinds of ammo were bad and proceeded to fire only Wolf. It turned out the 5 shots were a fluke, every Wolf round FTE'd thereafter.

Point wise:

1). The trigger is very tricky and for any target shooter junk.
2). The slide release kept scraping my thumb after every shot.
3). The GUN refused to cycle any rounds at all. Perhaps Akdal were paying homage to the concept of the single shot Musket.
4). The gun fired even in single shot mode has average accuracy at best.

If I was forced to say anything good about it, in the 75 rounds fired the Striker performed fine. There were no FTF's only FTE's.

First thing Monday I will take it back to the dealer and return it. I don't mind if a product is bad or doesn't suit my hand but the Akdal simply doesn't work. Am also seriously considering writing to Akdal and asking for a refund of my ammo wasted on testing their useless product.

Verdict: If any of you missed the subtle hints against the Ghost above. A stone will protect you better than the Ghost.

Abbas
17-07-2010, 07:48 PM
I would also like to offer an unconditional apology to Mr. Gaston Glock for comparing the 17 to this 'thing'. As far as the CF98 comparison, there is none. The CF is by far a much more accurate and reliable pistol.

Anthrax
17-07-2010, 08:52 PM
Wow, Abbas bro! You sure are having a bad string of events. First the Nike's busted and then the Ghost! Something paranormal must be involved. :D

Dr Hanif Malik
17-07-2010, 08:59 PM
@abbas bahi good efforts,this is rejected beauty,thanks for such practical sharing:)

AK47
17-07-2010, 09:05 PM
@Chief.....You did many a folks one great favor in ending this confusion, I am perturbed, not shocked, a bad review wasn't quite unexpected, but THIS BAD!!! I agree with you, Akdal should be sued rather, at least to the extent of having to withdraw the whole lot of crap exported." Beauty without substance", exactly the reason why I didn't take their MKA 1919 few months back, the "thing" still got no single review worldwide to google up for and is down from 90k to 60k! Akdal still got a LONG way to go, it seems, sadly. Thanks again for the helpful write up, let's hear from your dealer.

Mani
17-07-2010, 09:12 PM
Abbas Bahi good efforts!

Shariq
17-07-2010, 10:07 PM
Ambiguity removed comprehensively. Thanks Admin

Topak
17-07-2010, 11:11 PM
its too BAD .... was not expecting to this extent. :rolleyes:
ghosts are known to their bad behaviour like poor strike...but FTEs :(
i will suggest you to exchange it with a good quality catapult .

Anthrax
17-07-2010, 11:21 PM
By the way, still in mourning so don't mean no disrespect to the victim's here but I just can't stop laughing at the idea of having a RED VASE full of assorted 9mm Ammo! :lol: :lol:

I know what I'm going to decorate my house with from now on! Interior decoration plus constant ammo availability at its best! :D

139
17-07-2010, 11:26 PM
Chief you saved ppl from a regretful expenditure...

139

Taurus
17-07-2010, 11:32 PM
Well I knew it was a crap when U bought it what happened to chief Sahab maybe he wants to have fun anyways when i checked the this gun i tried out the trigger it was just a crap secondly when i racked the slide i felt there is going to be an FTE everytime i shoot well abbas nice review finally and practically its proved to be a junk

KageFox
18-07-2010, 12:05 AM
Now, this is an eye-opener... I mean, quite a few of us knew that the Ghost TR-01 was bad... never figured that the newer model would be just as crappy...

Thanks to you Chief, the cat, or rather, the Ghost, is out of the bag now... PakGunners should take notice of this and stay away from this piece of garbage, or rather, anything that Akdal churns out...

Afzaal
18-07-2010, 12:25 AM
chief you have saved so many's a** to beaten up.
Thankx

Denovo87
18-07-2010, 12:34 AM
http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii99/AbbasMalik/6-2.jpg

Wow.
A handgun capable of doing this definately was specifically made for same trick ;) ejecting a cartrige downward is something Sig, HK or Glock cant even think of performing with such perfection :lol: :lol:

mhrehman
18-07-2010, 01:27 AM
Denovo bhai as always :lol: to your comments, but anyways yes thanks to the review, it will save many of us who were thinking of buying it

Faheem
18-07-2010, 01:52 AM
Abbas Bhai thanks for sharing the results and reality of Akdal ghost handgun really its a eye opener.

I think Gilani bhai is one of the persons who always mentions in his reviews that Akdal Ghost is not a reliable and accurate handgun and now it has 100% proved here .....

TT-33
18-07-2010, 10:01 AM
Chief thanks for sharing Range review, you have saved many people from making blunder of purchase akdal Ghost.

Rotorcrafts
18-07-2010, 12:58 PM
I think this handgun was rightly named, It is only a GHOST image of the Glock :)

Aquarius
18-07-2010, 08:26 PM
I would also like to offer an unconditional apology to Mr. Gaston Glock for comparing the 17 to this 'thing'.

:lol: :lol:

Thats great review Chief.. thanks for sharing.... :)

Slayerjatt
19-07-2010, 02:12 AM
thanks chief. you might have wasted a lot of time and money, whinned a lot at the f.t.e's and had your thumb scraped but you have done gun lovers a favour that will be remembered for a long long time if not forever. :)

khanjee
19-07-2010, 08:55 AM
@ ABBAS Bhai

thanks for sharing this experience.

you suffered & bad experienced this Ghost but saved many new gunlover from this scrap which were impressed its beauty attraction.

thanks

Nazim Sahib
19-07-2010, 11:32 AM
Thx alot for such a perfect detailed review.It would be a considerable waste for anyone to buy this lousy handgun.

Sonnenkind
19-07-2010, 01:11 PM
The opinions on Akdal Ghost have almost always been negative, so its actually a relief that a super negative performance and review pretty much ejects this one from any considerations. Even if it had performed well, it would've still kept Akdal Arms and the Ghost in gray shades and implied maybe you'll get lucky with the Ghost! THIS bad, it can't even be about quality control. This screams wrong design!!

Afzaal
19-07-2010, 01:48 PM
@Abbas bhai
Have u return it to dealer or exchanged with any other gun?

Faisal Bakhtiar
19-07-2010, 04:35 PM
Some wise man say very true SOORAT NAHI SEERAT DEKH NI CHAHEYA.
Thanks to Abbas review who save lot of people who wants this crap and then hassle of returning to Dealer.

Gilani
23-07-2010, 11:25 PM
Abbas sahib, thanks for an objective review which was well needed. :)

Members, few days back I had the opportunity to shoot Abbas sahib's Akdal Ghost (the one that you see in the pics). There were 4 FTFs in 5 bullets and the accuracy was miserable too. Had no desire to fire anymore from this junk.

Though the range reports of Akdal Ghost had never been positive, however, there have been comments from few members who greatly appreciated the performance, beauty and accuracy of this gun. Some of them even insisted about it's high accuracy from 50 and 75 meters :mad: :mad: I always requested them to post some range results but none were ever posted. However, the praise for Akdal continued after every short while and this triggered great interest amongst some of the new members to buy this handgun as it greatly resembled a Glock and was very cheap as well. Hope they have enough evidence now about the performance of this gun :)

The review from Abbas sahib is an eye opener which proves one focal aspect; when buying a handgun, dont go for the style and finish. See the performance of the gun. If it performs reliably and accurately, its a good gun, even if the finish is not very impressive. And if the gun is not reliable and accurate, its a peice of junk, no matter how beautiful and impressive it looks.

I tested a TR2 on 3rd of April this year and wrote this short review..........................


Hi guys! Here is Akdal Ghost TR2. A friend of mine used to talk very high of his Akdal Ghost. Today, I borrowed his pistol and carried out the test. It was an almost new pistol with only 50 rounds fired from it. And what a disappointment. Though I have fired a lot from Akdal Ghost TR1 and was never impressed with it, this one was even worst. When my friend called me in the evening and asked about the performance of his pistol, I simply told him to change the handgun if he can and never to carry it for SD. May be this one was a lemon but I would rate a well made local clone better than this pistol. Here we go..................

Firer: Gilani
Handgun: Akdal Ghost TR2
Condition: Excellent. 100%
Barrel: 113 MM
Size: 190x135x30 mm (a very convenient size BTW)
Dist: 10, 20 & 30 M
Ammo: POF 2Z
Sequence: 5 shots from 10 M, 5 from 20M and 5 from 30M on the same target.
Stoppages: 3 out of 30, one misfire and two failures to feed.
Score: 73 / 300 (24.33 %)
Accuracy Rating: JUNK, DONT BUY IT

http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb136/sualeh/Guns/DSCN5930.jpg
You can see that bullets from 10 M (encircled in red) are on the right side of bull but far away from the centre. Only two bullets hitting from 20 M. And from 30 M, not even a single hit on the target. I just could not imagine that such a nice looking handgun could be so inaccurate also. :mad:

http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb136/sualeh/Guns/DSCN5939.jpg
Second test fire was worst than first. All bullets from 10 M hitting right and low. No bullet from 20 M and only 1 bullet from 30 M. This one bullet from 30 M must have been my fault because all other bullets were hitting way outside the target. So far away that my attendant was continuously saying, Sir where are you shooting :)

Akdal Ghost TR2 is a nice looking pistol with a very good grip and balance. Has a very convenient size and to say the least, is impressive out of box. Barrel is very light. In comparison, CZ999 has a slightly shorter barrel but is far more heavy. I am not sure what material the barrel of TR2 is made of but its certainly a very light one.

Ranger performance of Ghost TR2, as you have seen above, is miserable. The gun i tested was hitting way off the target and trigger is quite pathetic. There were three stoppages which does not speak good on the reliability part. It is possible that the one that I tested was a lemon and other Akdal pistols are good but I am not very positive about it. I have fired more than 100 rounds from Akdal Ghost TR1 also and that handgun was also not reliable though it was more accurate than this one, but still not very accurate. If this be the standard of average Akdal pistol, I would not recommend any to buy Ghost TR2. Final Accuracy Rating is "JUNK"

Salahuddin Ayubi
24-07-2010, 06:23 AM
.......when buying a handgun, dont go for the style and finish. See the performance of the gun. If it performs reliably and accurately, its a good gun, even if the finish is not very impressive. And if the gun is not reliable and accurate, its a peice of junk, no matter how beautiful and impressive it looks.


+100

And therefore, it is extremely important for all PakGunners to post detailed reviews of their respective guns' performance at the forum. Especially, there are several of us who have guns in our inventory which have not been reviewed yet at our forum and those members are encouraged and requested to come forward and add to the forum's knowledge-base. I know it's painstaking and laborious work to shoot pics and then post them, but then it's all part of being a member of this community.

AK47
24-07-2010, 03:57 PM
.......when buying a handgun, dont go for the style and finish. See the performance of the gun. If it performs reliably and accurately, its a good gun, even if the finish is not very impressive. And if the gun is not reliable and accurate, its a peice of junk, no matter how beautiful and impressive it looks.


+100

And therefore, it is extremely important for all PakGunners to post detailed reviews of their respective guns' performance at the forum. Especially, there are several of us who have guns in our inventory which have not been reviewed yet at our forum and those members are encouraged and requested to come forward and add to the forum's knowledge-base. I know it's painstaking and laborious work to shoot pics and then post them, but then it's all part of being a member of this community.

@SA........+1! :)

Absolutely right, now with Gilani Sb out of easy reach, we should conduct individually and share. Problem for most, however, is not shooting the pics, yet shooting the targets! This with respect to range facility available, nothing to do with not being able to hit! ;) :lol:

Gilani
24-07-2010, 10:54 PM
@SA........+1! :)

Absolutely right, now with Gilani Sb out of easy reach, we should conduct individually and share. Problem for most, however, is not shooting the pics, yet shooting the targets! This with respect to range facility available, nothing to do with not being able to hit! ;) :lol:

Sir, I will be soon at your service. :)

About the availability of range, I agree that its a problem for many of us but not for all. Shooting ranges are no doubt scarce and expensive. But as per my personal information, many of us have spent far more money on buying the weapons whereas they could have easily acquired the membership of a shooting club (alongwith buying good quantity of ammo to fire) in the price of say one over 200k pistol. So in my view, its not just the non-availability or high membership fee of ranges. Our priority, in many cases, is different. We are more inclined towards buying / collecting more and more weapons and relatively less inclined towards shooting those guns on a proper firing range. :)

But now I see a lot of members showing the desire of shooting on a proper firing range. When there is a will, there is a way. I am sure people would find out the way and when this happens more frequently, many of the so called handgun giants that enjoyed a very high reputation for years will be exposed and many of the so called cheap guns would come up. With more use, people would start understanding that which handgun gives more value for money. Once that knowledge would be shared on forums like PakGuns, those who do not get the opportunity to go on shooting ranges will have better idea about the real worth of a handgun, ie, which gun has high quality finish but low performance and which handgun has high quality finish with good performance but has a very high price tag too and therefore, does not provide good value for money etc etc.

Just my humble opinion on the issue :)

Apalo
24-07-2010, 11:09 PM
@Gilani bhi
your comments are always very informative for the new commers like me. thank you sir :)

AK47
24-07-2010, 11:58 PM
@Gilani Sb...............As usual one cannot disagree with you, Sir! :)

Topak
25-07-2010, 02:16 PM
1 + Gilani Sir.
due to PG and YOU, we came to know that guns in 50K range are aslo accurate as 200K, like CZ999 Canik pirahna,MAK etc.
when we will research more more guns will be added to this list.

Ahsanfurqan
25-07-2010, 02:34 PM
excellent review.

Gilani
26-07-2010, 08:16 PM
Topak brother, we can easily add Taurus PT92/99, Baikal MP445 Viking and Stoeger Cougar to this list. Zigana T and Sarsilmaz Klinic2000 are also good options. :)

Vik
26-07-2010, 08:47 PM
Ofcourse, the trend started by Abbas bhi and than taken up by Gilani Saheb of testing around 100k guns is awesome. I was mesmerized by CZ999 testing and came across Canik
55 large frame review and testing. Its just great. Dear Sir's please continue with your efforts.
For me more than 100k gun is just impulse buy. Earlier I said testing of 100k b/c on PG Taurus 1911 was also tested and reviewed.

Vik
26-07-2010, 08:49 PM
.......when buying a handgun, dont go for the style and finish. See the performance of the gun. If it performs reliably and accurately, its a good gun, even if the finish is not very impressive. And if the gun is not reliable and accurate, its a peice of junk, no matter how beautiful and impressive it looks.


+100

And therefore, it is extremely important for all PakGunners to post detailed reviews of their respective guns' performance at the forum. Especially, there are several of us who have guns in our inventory which have not been reviewed yet at our forum and those members are encouraged and requested to come forward and add to the forum's knowledge-base. I know it's painstaking and laborious work to shoot pics and then post them, but then it's all part of being a member of this community.

SA bhi give us some parameters for posting reviews.B/c we can't post reviews like Abbas bhi
and Gilani saheb.

Salahuddin Ayubi
28-07-2010, 01:20 PM
SA bhi give us some parameters for posting reviews.B/c we can't post reviews like Abbas bhi
and Gilani saheb.


Call me bro and we'll discuss how we 'can' post reviews, if not like Abbas and Gilani Sb, then at least as close to it as possible.

Syed Adeel
28-07-2010, 03:12 PM
The myth and the ghost both busted :) looks now like the TR 02 stands for Trash.. that too do number.

tass
06-02-2012, 06:56 AM
abbas sb i am a new member of pakguns i heartly admire your experties in ths field i unfortunatly purchased ghost tr 02 but therz a difference between that one you had and mine its the ejector mine one is abit long in length so do the performance is i have fired 150 rounds from it in different times and of different types, that time i was not a member of pak guns, all rounds i fired it fired excellently though the trigger was a bit nasty but every other thing got right i fired wah 2z chinese ammo and phillipine hollowpoints and it fired them all now after seening ur views and badd experiments i m enough with ghost plz advise me which weapon to get in my limit of 50k

gunenthusiast
06-02-2012, 11:24 AM
interesting results. The effort is really praiseworthy. We certainly need more information about the performance of the guns and not just listen to a lot of market-noise. Such efforts will let people understand real value for money.