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KageFox
11-07-2010, 07:11 PM
I have in my possession a couple of starter guns which shoot Flobert 6mm ammunition. They can also be used to ignite flares.

http://i710.photobucket.com/albums/ww103/KageFoxOS/Flobert%20Starter%20Pistols/FlobertGuns-08274.jpg

Flobert 6mm Ammunition:
http://i710.photobucket.com/albums/ww103/KageFoxOS/Flobert%20Starter%20Pistols/FlobertGuns-08287.jpg

A comparison of the fired and unfired casings:
http://i710.photobucket.com/albums/ww103/KageFoxOS/Flobert%20Starter%20Pistols/FlobertGuns-08284.jpg

THE REVOLVER
http://i710.photobucket.com/albums/ww103/KageFoxOS/Flobert%20Starter%20Pistols/FlobertGuns-08224.jpg

http://i710.photobucket.com/albums/ww103/KageFoxOS/Flobert%20Starter%20Pistols/FlobertGuns-08255.jpg

http://i710.photobucket.com/albums/ww103/KageFoxOS/Flobert%20Starter%20Pistols/FlobertGuns-08229.jpg

http://i710.photobucket.com/albums/ww103/KageFoxOS/Flobert%20Starter%20Pistols/FlobertGuns-08230.jpg

http://i710.photobucket.com/albums/ww103/KageFoxOS/Flobert%20Starter%20Pistols/FlobertGuns-08233.jpg

http://i710.photobucket.com/albums/ww103/KageFoxOS/Flobert%20Starter%20Pistols/FlobertGuns-08234.jpg

http://i710.photobucket.com/albums/ww103/KageFoxOS/Flobert%20Starter%20Pistols/FlobertGuns-08240.jpg

http://i710.photobucket.com/albums/ww103/KageFoxOS/Flobert%20Starter%20Pistols/FlobertGuns-08239.jpg

http://i710.photobucket.com/albums/ww103/KageFoxOS/Flobert%20Starter%20Pistols/FlobertGuns-08241.jpg

When the ejector rod is pressed upon:
http://i710.photobucket.com/albums/ww103/KageFoxOS/Flobert%20Starter%20Pistols/FlobertGuns-08248.jpg

http://i710.photobucket.com/albums/ww103/KageFoxOS/Flobert%20Starter%20Pistols/FlobertGuns-08254.jpg

This revolver has undergone... umm... experiments...
The cylinder holes were initially blocked. I drilled 'em through:
http://i710.photobucket.com/albums/ww103/KageFoxOS/Flobert%20Starter%20Pistols/FlobertGuns-08252.jpg

Here, the barrel is seen. The front sight was removed... it can be seen where it was before.
http://i710.photobucket.com/albums/ww103/KageFoxOS/Flobert%20Starter%20Pistols/FlobertGuns-08278.jpg

THE PISTOL:
This one is somewhat faulty. Has a very hard trigger and often has trouble cycling the magazine.
http://i710.photobucket.com/albums/ww103/KageFoxOS/Flobert%20Starter%20Pistols/FlobertGuns-08257.jpg

http://i710.photobucket.com/albums/ww103/KageFoxOS/Flobert%20Starter%20Pistols/FlobertGuns-08258.jpg

http://i710.photobucket.com/albums/ww103/KageFoxOS/Flobert%20Starter%20Pistols/FlobertGuns-08259.jpg

http://i710.photobucket.com/albums/ww103/KageFoxOS/Flobert%20Starter%20Pistols/FlobertGuns-08261.jpg

http://i710.photobucket.com/albums/ww103/KageFoxOS/Flobert%20Starter%20Pistols/FlobertGuns-08262.jpg

http://i710.photobucket.com/albums/ww103/KageFoxOS/Flobert%20Starter%20Pistols/FlobertGuns-08264.jpg

http://i710.photobucket.com/albums/ww103/KageFoxOS/Flobert%20Starter%20Pistols/FlobertGuns-08268.jpg

http://i710.photobucket.com/albums/ww103/KageFoxOS/Flobert%20Starter%20Pistols/FlobertGuns-08271.jpg

http://i710.photobucket.com/albums/ww103/KageFoxOS/Flobert%20Starter%20Pistols/FlobertGuns-08273.jpg

Enjoy the photos!

PS. Does anybody know about the availability of cheap Flobert caps? I bought a box of 100 a few years ago, @Rs. 5 per cap.

PUNJTANI5
12-07-2010, 12:45 AM
wow very nice pictures KF brother

can i know how did u manage to open up the cylinders
i have the same company revolver swing out cylinder and i want to do the same but u know
my drill bit gets blunted

do u know u can place a plastic bb in front of the crimp/ blank
and it can be fired and hit something
i have read it on net

the holster is cery cool and i want to have one
did u buy it or made it your self

how much did u pay for both the guns

any how very nice and impressive photography

Mangloo Ramzani
12-07-2010, 01:21 AM
I remember this pistol, back in 1987, one of my friends had one!

If I remember correctly there is an attachment at the muzzle end for flares, or do the flares fit right in?

bazkhan35
12-07-2010, 01:27 AM
You are right brother revolver one needs an attachment for the flares

KageFox
12-07-2010, 02:12 AM
Well, I've only ignited "China Bombs" (the tiny firecracker things) using the revolver, so I don't know about any attachments or stuff. I fired the only flare I had using the pistol.

bazkhan35
12-07-2010, 02:20 AM
The one i had have threads on the end of the barrel to attach an attachment, dont know about your one KF brother

KageFox
12-07-2010, 03:15 AM
Actually, I did a few "experiments" with the revolver, and lets just say that the barrel received the most attention :lol: If there were any threads in the barrel before, I'm pretty sure there aren't any now...

Anthrax
12-07-2010, 03:16 AM
KF, Excellent photography! Its always a treat to watch the pictures you take. Haven't seen anyone else (Except Connector) on the forum who can take such brilliant and artistic photos. :)

Nice guns as well. The caps that you mentioned, they're supposed to be "Blanks" right? Interesting to know that they can be used as flares as well. Good stuff!

KageFox
12-07-2010, 03:38 AM
The caps themselves are just blanks. As seen in the third photo, they open up after being fired. Only sound (and smoke). Nothing comes out of the barrel....


Unless you really want it to... :P


The blanks basically act as a go-between to light the flare. Haven't done anything much with the flares, but the revolver can propel a "China Bomb" (or similar projectile) around 10 meters or so (depending on the gun's elevation angle). Usually lights them up pretty well, unless its a dud.

Oh, and thanks a lot for complementing my photography :D. Its a great pleasure to know that I shoot something well ;)

fahadkhalid
12-07-2010, 11:42 AM
mangloo sb these guns and similar ones have an attachment, it is normally screwed on like a silencer on which the flares fit in. some of the guns have come with clip on but usually the attachment is screwed on. and you can literally ignite any type of flare or pathaka with them. On dry grass or leaves you can even start a fire if you are out camping old school style.

MianTaimur
12-07-2010, 01:12 PM
Good Photography KF !
You keep on bringing stuff, which reminds me of my younger years, like the Daisy airgun, you posted in a separate thread and now these flair pistols.
Btw now I know , that flare guns and starter guns are the same thing :P
As I had no idea about starter guns before, always thought they were some special guns with different bullets.
I had both of the guns posted in the above picture when I was younger. In fact, last I checked , I still have the pistol shaped one with me. As for the revolver shaped one, I remember I took the silencer off,so It would look more original like a real revolver, I believe one tends to do such things ,when you are younger. To cut the long story short the revolver shaped flair gun was in the car once and the car was stopped for checking and the rangers in Karachi made a havoc that they have recovered a unlicensed weapon. It took quite some time to explain it to them that it is a toy gun,used for firing flares and crackers. In the end , the revolver was given to them to avoid any more hassle :P

Topak
12-07-2010, 03:00 PM
I remember this pistol, back in 1987, one of my friends had one!

If I remember correctly there is an attachment at the muzzle end for flares, or do the flares fit right in?
i had have the pistol with thread on muzzle and attachment,bought in around 85s,if i am not forgetting it costed around 250 PKR.
when i bought this pistol,checked in a public park and from somewhere a cop appeared who checked my pistol,warned and threat me.thanks to some good souls who saved me from the Cop. it was my first interaction with LEA and that too with my pistol :lol: :lol:
thanks KF for showing the pistols..... many of us will retrieve their stories with these toys.

Txshooter
15-07-2010, 07:59 PM
WoW....reminds me of my childhood days. i had a great time playing with these starter pistols and even remember all the different ones I had. there was the RG3(Revolver type), RG8 (pistol 8mm), El-Amin (ppk-copy in 8mm), and a 1911 replica, also in 8mm. I remember once I took the 1911 replica to a gunsmith at lucky star and he couldn't believe that the gun was fake till i showed him the blocked barrel. :)

Pashasahab
16-07-2010, 02:50 AM
I also have a couple of hese revolvers . exact these ... but lost the flare attchement on one

maverick880
16-07-2010, 09:16 PM
wow, beautiful pics
btw if i want to buy a revolver like this , from where i can have one?

sikander zaman1
16-07-2010, 10:27 PM
where can i get these guns?

KageFox
16-07-2010, 10:32 PM
Well, I'm not really sure about the availability of these things nowadays , I mean, I was given these by an uncle or someone in the family. I did see a 7-shot Flobert revolver in a toy shop in Khadda Market... 3-4 years ago.

Kakar
17-07-2010, 01:56 AM
Brother Kagefox..I guess now it makes the two of us.


http://s1.postimage.org/h_owJ.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gxh_owJ)


Flares

http://s4.postimage.org/jQLz9.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=aVjQLz9)

PUNJTANI5
17-07-2010, 02:15 AM
bhaiyya KF my dear little brother
u havenot replied my queries
i am most interested please please please Please please :D

KageFox
17-07-2010, 08:02 AM
Now I know why I thought I saw this somewhere on the forum earlier... You seem to have a pretty mighty collection of flares... :D

Salahuddin Ayubi
17-07-2010, 09:30 AM
Flares

http://s4.postimage.org/jQLz9.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=aVjQLz9)

Kakar,

Bro, please guide regarding availability of flares in KHI. Want to buy some.

Gilani
17-07-2010, 10:14 AM
Somehow missed this thread earlier :|

Nice guns and very impressive photography, KageFox brother :)

KageFox
17-07-2010, 12:24 PM
@PUNJTANI5:

Sorry, I missed your post. Will try to answer in the order you asked.

1. I used a .22 or .25 inch iron drill bit. It was pretty easy, after I found a way to remove the cylinder and secure it so that it would not rotate with the drill bit.

2. I made some "homemade ammo" using UHU Tack and .22 Gamo Pro Magnum Pellets. All I can say is that this apparently harmless gun can be lethal at point-blank range.

3. Abba made the holster for me.

4. I was given these by relatives.

@MODS: PLEASE DELETE THE ABOVE IF IT CROSSES LEGAL BOUNDARIES.

Thanks for complimenting my photos, gentlemen. I have found that I really enjoy this type of photography... :D

MianTaimur
17-07-2010, 01:03 PM
Bro, please guide regarding availability of flares in KHI. Want to buy some.


You could get them from toy stores in Delawala !

KageFox
17-07-2010, 03:17 PM
Bro, please guide regarding availability of flares in KHI. Want to buy some.


You could get them from toy stores in Delawala !


Can you still get them? I once asked a shopkeeper, he said that they did not, due to law enforcement crackdowns...

Afzaal
17-07-2010, 03:35 PM
i used that revolver with flare in 1990 on my uncle's wedding
and got all attentions among Ak47,222,tt,12ga,32cal
Thanks for refrashing old memos.
Thumbs up.

Amjad Ali
17-07-2010, 04:28 PM
dear sir kagefox will you please tell me the model & the name of company of your CAMERA .

Salahuddin Ayubi
17-07-2010, 05:18 PM
Bro, please guide regarding availability of flares in KHI. Want to buy some.


You could get them from toy stores in Delawala !

What's Delawala ?

KageFox
17-07-2010, 05:36 PM
dear sir kagefox will you please tell me the model & the name of company of your CAMERA .

Sony Alpha A100

@SA: It's a sort of area in Clifton, which has a large number of toy stores... Actually very famous if you want to find a rare toy or something...

Salahuddin Ayubi
17-07-2010, 05:39 PM
@ KF,

Bro, where exactly in Clifton.

Afzaal
17-07-2010, 07:10 PM
KF brother +1 to your Camera and Camera work
really impressive work Dude.

KageFox
17-07-2010, 08:03 PM
@SA: Well... it's a little hard to explain in words... I'm not too good with places and directions...
I did find a link for you: http://www.paktive.com/Delawala-Shopping-Centre_176SD04.html

@Afzaal: Thanks for appreciating, sir...

MianTaimur
18-07-2010, 02:50 AM
@ KF,

Bro, where exactly in Clifton.

The building close to Nandos & CHASE in Clifton !
Opposite , Agha Super Market building...........