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Starfish
08-07-2010, 11:07 PM
I had the chance to look at a couple of CZ999 s in the market today and i noticed a very weird thing with all of them. They kind of looked different than the one i have. i was wondering what it could be and after coming home i realized that my cz has a different looking muzzle because of a flattened guide rod. also the one i have is shinny. does any one know about this "difference" in specs? are these different models? or do i have a handgun which was proudly made in darra?

12 gauge, your infinite cz999 expertise is required here!
attaching pictures.
http://s4.postimage.org/PzylA.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=aVPzylA)

http://s4.postimage.org/PzSiJ.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=aVPzSiJ)


http://s2.postimage.org/yANor.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=TsyANor)

http://s2.postimage.org/yAPTA.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=TsyAPTA)

Denovo87
08-07-2010, 11:20 PM
Oye Hoye.. if you bought it @ normal CZ999 price you definately got a $50 guide rod for free.. it surely is heavy titanium recoil rod that tames recoil and help smoother cycling... congrats bro.

more pics of disassembled slide (with guide rod & barrel seated) will be appreciated.

coolbox18
08-07-2010, 11:23 PM
Well i have checked my cz999 just now, and I have to admit it is definitely different from the one above. We surely need some clarification here from seniors. 12Guage sb, your input badly required.
Below is pic of my CZ.

http://s2.postimage.org/yCYAi.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=TsyCYAi)

Denovo87
08-07-2010, 11:36 PM
coolbox bro, yours is the stock rod but the one SF got is after market heavier titanium guide rod :) thing is how it came with the stock cz999 ? The day you bought it from PARA definately was your luckiest day, brother Starfish :)

Starfish
08-07-2010, 11:40 PM
Oye Hoye.. if you bought it @ normal CZ999 price you definately got a $50 guide rod for free.. it surely is heavy titanium recoil rod that tames recoil and help smoother cycling... congrats bro.

more pics of disassembled slide (with guide rod & barrel seated) will be appreciated.

Haha denovo sb kyoon gareeboon say shughal lagatay hain :)
here are some more pictures. I think i got a repaired gun or something.


http://s4.postimage.org/PHodS.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=aVPHodS)

http://s4.postimage.org/PHtd9.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=aVPHtd9)

Abu Al Hawl
08-07-2010, 11:46 PM
not to worried, not to be proud, its all same doesn't make nay diff. enjoy your cz999

kasana
08-07-2010, 11:57 PM
i think it is an other question mark over zastava quality. there were only cz999 in th whole 7000 serial. and starfish knows very well that where is second one:)

Denovo87
08-07-2010, 11:59 PM
Abu bro ofcourse its nothing to be proud of but definately something you dont get with stock guns. I replaced oem guide rod of g17 with titanium one and believe be recoil reduction is so significant that a thick firer like me easily could feel the difference :) and mine costed me $36 fob USA.

12GAUGE
09-07-2010, 12:12 AM
AoA Everybody

Before we answer we need to know more about the guide rod. here it goes:

1. what does the guide rod look like? stainless, titanium or chrome
2. is it hollow and cheaply constructed like the OEM one or better finished?
3. is it a solid one piece guide rod?
4. is is heavier than the OEM guide rod?
5. whats the finish like? smooth? with tooling marks? or mirror finish?

my guestimation (or prognosis if you prefer) would be that its probably made of solid one piece stainless steel. it should be alot stronger, better finished and probably alot heavier than the OEM guide rod.

with weight you'll get added muzzle control (less muzzle flip) and reduced recoil. from the pics, it seems that it is "mirror shine" smooth. this should make the slide action more soft. forget everything else dude, it looks AWESOME!. way better than the CHEAP A$$ OEM guide rod. makes the CZ 999 Scorpion look like a totally different animal. another thing that I would like to mention that if its stainless steel it should be alot more corrosion resistant than the OEM guide rod.

I've sent an email to the company along with the pictures. lets see what they have to say about it. but my initial guestimation would be that its a upgrade which you got by chance. sometimes company's product are being manufactured so close on the manufacturing line that their parts get interchanged.

you can search online, there are manufacturers out there that sell only stainless steel guide rods. they also claim the same benefits that i've listed above.

so, worry not and enjoy your rare CZ 999 Scorpion and if your mind is still not at ease. you can always swap your guide rod with my OEM guide rod (Version POS).

Regards.

p.s. POS = Piece of $hit

Sonnenkind
09-07-2010, 01:30 AM
Starfish bro, how does the upgrade-without-a-dime-spent feel? :) Suddenly your CZ has more value. Enjoy bro.. this is good to hear.. :)

Around how long ago did you acquire it? and from which dealer?

AK47
09-07-2010, 02:02 AM
@Starfish.... You must be a satisfied CZ owner now, your doubts were for the better, enjoy! :)

Anthrax
09-07-2010, 02:12 AM
I've heard of a guy not that far from Darra who makes these Novelty accessories, springs, guide rods and other handgun parts on order in his "little" Kaarkhana. Maybe your dealer sold you a used handgun with a customized feature which he forgot to remove? :/

:)

AK47
09-07-2010, 02:26 AM
@Anthrax........... Salaams bro! Something tells me you've just recently been in contact with 12 Gauge bro! ;)

Kindly refer to last 3-4 lines of post 9 above! ;) :lol:

12GAUGE
09-07-2010, 02:33 AM
I've heard of a guy not that far from Darra who makes these Novelty accessories, springs, guide rods and other handgun parts on order in his "little" Kaarkhana. Maybe your dealer sold you a used handgun with a customized feature which he forgot to remove? :/

:)

Correction!, this handgun was selected after meticulously inspecting every single piece in the inventory of the dealer. the inspection cycle was conducted not once but twice. I can personally attest to the pristine condition of this handgun at the time of purchase.

funny thing is that at the time of purchase, we were so interested in buying the perfect piece (barrel, trigger, lockup, decocker function) that we overlooked such a major difference.

Regards.

Starfish
09-07-2010, 10:02 AM
@sonnenkind: feels good :D i think i bought it like may be a month or two ago from PARA.
@12 gauge: sir, anxiously waiting for the cz guys to reply! share as soon as it gets to your inbox. And I am surprised why we did not notice this earlier. its been a long while since the purchase. I guess the selection process was not that meticulous after all. well, not for the guide rod at least .
@ak47: exactly ;)
@anthrax: :D I thought the "guy not far away from darra" made gun care / cleaning stuff. Handgun parts now? eh?

Gunpsycho
09-07-2010, 03:11 PM
If am not wrong the same was with the Stoeger frist it came with the plastic spring guide and later with the steel one plz correct me if am wrong :)

Apalo
10-07-2010, 11:38 PM
i think starfish is now satisfied with the answers but now i have one
can some one please define the performance of the cz999 with the serial number or models like 2007, 2008 models.

Apalo
13-07-2010, 06:40 PM
any information.

Starfish
15-07-2010, 05:46 PM
any information.
well, i got the 8000 series, then returned it and got the 7000 series. But if you ask me now, I would go for the 8000 series and recommend the same.

12GAUGE
15-07-2010, 07:05 PM
AoA Everybody

I've thoroughly seen the 8000 series and similarly I have also seen the 7,000 series as well. in my experience (after comparing the two), 7000 series is far better than the 8,000 as far as fit and finish is concerned. initially I too was off the view that may be 8,000 series might offer something extra but after going through the pieces (believe me the number was quiet large) one by one I've learned that 7,000 series offers the following:

1. same frame finish (I couldnt tell any difference)

2. better slide to frame fit (some of you might remember the rattling barrel test we did at para?)

3. better markings (way better markings on 7,000 series kinda like CNC engraving whereas regular punch type markings on 8,000 series)

4. better/smooth operation of the decocker controls (the decocker on 7,000 series makes the hammer fall in two steps whereas on 8,000 its almost like hammer drop type fall, kinda looks dangerous from where i'm sitting)

5. better/fine stampings on barrels. (7,000 series stampings are more in line whereas almost all 8,000 series had "9mm PARA" stamping out of wack.

Kindly consult Gilani Sb. he was demonstrated in detail regarding the differences while we were at PARA, LHR.

Regards.

Apalo
15-07-2010, 11:52 PM
thank you 12 gauge for your kind reply,
i think now a day Gilani bhi is quiet busy so he may not be able to ans the query.

Aquarius
16-07-2010, 12:12 AM
@12gauge: Exactly brother.. you are absolutely rite on the better slide to frame fitness, punch type markings Vs CNC marking and specially the decocker controls on both these series handguns.

Gilani
16-07-2010, 02:29 PM
AoA Everybody

I've thoroughly seen the 8000 series and similarly I have also seen the 7,000 series as well. in my experience (after comparing the two), 7000 series is far better than the 8,000 as far as fit and finish is concerned. initially I too was off the view that may be 8,000 series might offer something extra but after going through the pieces (believe me the number was quiet large) one by one I've learned that 7,000 series offers the following:

1. same frame finish (I couldnt tell any difference)

2. better slide to frame fit (some of you might remember the rattling barrel test we did at para?)

3. better markings (way better markings on 7,000 series kinda like CNC engraving whereas regular punch type markings on 8,000 series)

4. better/smooth operation of the decocker controls (the decocker on 7,000 series makes the hammer fall in two steps whereas on 8,000 its almost like hammer drop type fall, kinda looks dangerous from where i'm sitting)

5. better/fine stampings on barrels. (7,000 series stampings are more in line whereas almost all 8,000 series had "9mm PARA" stamping out of wack.

Kindly consult Gilani Sb. he was demonstrated in detail regarding the differences while we were at PARA, LHR.

Regards.

We inspected one gun of 7000 series and quite a few from 8000 series. The dococker of 7000 series CZ worked better than those of 8000 series (as mentioned, it worked in 2 stages while that of 8000 series was a single stage decocking function). However, I have extensively used the decocker of 8000 series and never found any problem with it.

The difference in markings was also there, and as mentioned by 12guage, those of 7000 series were better looking. However, in my view it does not make any difference in the functioning of the gun. As regards the functioning of the weapons, I can't say for sure because I have never fired a 7000 series CZ though I have fired quite a few from 8000 series. The shooting performance of 8000 series CZ is very good, perhaps the best of all the guns that are available in <100k range. If 7000 series shoots better than 8000 series CZ than this is a significant difference. :)

BTW, this thread was started because of a stainless steel guide rod in brother Starfish's CZ which is normally not found in other CZs. Today I inspected my own CZ (8000 series) and was delighted to see that my CZ too has a shiny stainless steel guide rod which is solid and quite heavy. :) :cool:

Will post the pics soon. :P

Starfish
16-07-2010, 05:50 PM
BTW, this thread was started because of a stainless steel guide rod in brother Starfish's CZ which is normally not found in other CZs. Today I inspected my own CZ (8000 series) and was delighted to see that my CZ too has a shiny stainless steel guide rod which is solid and quite heavy. :) :cool:

Will post the pics soon. :P

Sir! I checked with CZ people and they told me that only 2 models with such guide rods were made and it is not possible to have three guns with these special guide rods. In fact, it is not possible to have three of such guide rods in existence. These were originally created as a pair, cast by the elven kings themselves in the fires of mount pynde :P They explicitly stated that the very fabric of space and time will collapse if they created a third. So if such a guide rod magically appeared in your gun, i m assuming one must magically disappear from another gun!
:)

Gilani
16-07-2010, 07:33 PM
Really :| Were there only two of them :(

But have a look at this one, does it look any different to you :rolleyes:

Is it not the second one?????????

Gilani
16-07-2010, 07:40 PM
Oh Really :| They just made two of them :(

But have a look at this one, does it look any different to you :rolleyes:

Is it not the second one?????????


http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb136/sualeh/Guns/DSCN6516.jpg

http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb136/sualeh/Guns/DSCN6518.jpg

http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb136/sualeh/Guns/DSCN6519.jpg

http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb136/sualeh/Guns/DSCN6520.jpg

http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb136/sualeh/Guns/DSCN6506.jpg

http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb136/sualeh/Guns/DSCN6508.jpg

Does this CZ look any better??????? :cool: ;)

Denovo87
16-07-2010, 08:22 PM
It looks GREAT bro :) grips are far beautiful than originals (& than the ones of PT99).

Now can you please tell how a steel guide rod can grow these grips on cz999 ;)

Gilani
16-07-2010, 08:28 PM
Sir, it's all about loving your handguns. Do that and your Beretta 92fs Centurion will also grow something marvelous in near future, I can bet :D

PS: The guy has already been briefed about your order :cool:

Salahuddin Ayubi
16-07-2010, 08:31 PM
Gilani Sb,

It looks....... mmmmmmmmmmmmpppwa.

Apalo
16-07-2010, 08:33 PM
The love of the Gilani Bhi, CZ999. specially the one with HIM. ;)

Sonnenkind
16-07-2010, 09:22 PM
Sir! I checked with CZ people and they told me that only 2 models with such guide rods were made and it is not possible to have three guns with these special guide rods. In fact, it is not possible to have three of such guide rods in existence. These were originally created as a pair, cast by the elven kings themselves in the fires of mount pynde :P They explicitly stated that the very fabric of space and time will collapse if they created a third. So if such a guide rod magically appeared in your gun, i m assuming one must magically disappear from another gun!
:)

ROFL.. :D :D
when was the last time you watched Lord of the rings trilogy back to back, bro? ;) Mount "Pynde".. priceless!! :D :D

Gilani sahab the CZ looks marvelous with her new grips. Lots of character added. How do the grips feel? Also sir, I see a favorite backdrop developing, from the photography point of view :) Photos look very organic, way to go.. Suddenly i think the gun should have a name :)

Aquarius
16-07-2010, 11:01 PM
Gilani Sir the CZ is looking very cool with these new grips.

Nabeel
16-07-2010, 11:49 PM
@ Gilani sahib How can I contact you?????????? :o

Ilyas
16-07-2010, 11:54 PM
Gilani Bhai... the gun simply looks awesome and the "Green Photography" is really great :)
@Starfish... "Mount Pynde"????? Well I thought it sounded something like "Mount MargallaY" :P

ACHILLES
16-07-2010, 11:57 PM
Bro the gun is grazing. :) :D :cool:

iffe
17-07-2010, 01:05 AM
@ gilani sb

new grips are looking great .....

i want them too :)

Gilani
17-07-2010, 09:33 AM
All brothers, thanks for your comments. CZ wooden or other grips are not available in the market (P226 grips do not fit on CZ). These grips have been handmade by a local gun smith in a remote AK village. That guys has lot of skill, as you can see :)

KageFox
17-07-2010, 10:26 AM
Now these are one amazing set of grips! I like their color and grain much better than that of the PT99 grips... The person who makes them is indeed skillful... one cannot tell that these are hand-made...

Faheem
17-07-2010, 10:48 AM
Gilani bahi Mashalah new grips of CZ changed the total looks of your handgun. Simply looking extra ordinary....

khanjee
17-07-2010, 11:06 AM
@ Gilani Sir,

Masha Allah very nice grips and you are really very good shooter at both pistol & photography.

a real maestro - superb photography

12GAUGE
18-07-2010, 12:59 PM
AoA Everybody

Today, I opened the box of my CZ 999 Scorpion to read the manual and guess what? I found a Stainless Steel Guide Rod packed inside the "right angle triangle" shaped packing material. I was under the impression that the packing material is there to make sure the gun doesn't move inside the box during shipping and handling. as it turns out, it also houses a Stainless Steel Guide Rod. as far as the purpose of providing a spare guide rod (Solid Stainless Steel) is concerned, I have no idea.

Anyways, whatever the purpose, it surely looks awesome. I'm attaching the picture of the said guide rod.

http://i998.photobucket.com/albums/af103/12gauge-pakguns/CZ999Scorpion.jpg

Regards.

Starfish
18-07-2010, 01:13 PM
@sK: lol!
@ilyas: same thing sir :P
@12 gauge: that' s surprising. Mine came with a stainless steel guide rod installed. May be i should check the box again!

Denovo87
18-07-2010, 01:13 PM
So I was right when I told you upon seeing your cz999's packaging that this space is purposely made :) but why it took 3 weeks to reach to the stuff packed in there?
Moral of story: Alway check your packaing to deepest you can go, its always a chance you will miss something vital in there if you just take the gun out and through box aside .

One more thing, what's this blinking text on the slide, mustershop series ???? does it say about some specialities mustered-up in this specific gun :D

Starfish
18-07-2010, 01:19 PM
:O my cz 999 box has a gray colored ghetto looking guide rod made out of tin i think. may be its the OEM and in stead of installing the OEM and packing the stainless one, they did otherwise.
12 gauge bhai, yeh mustershop series kya hai?

Ilyas
18-07-2010, 01:47 PM
@12gauge... You lucky guys, first you get SS guide rods and then you get
the "Mastershop Series" guns??? I bought a CZ999 for a friend last week,
but didn't find any SS guide rod in the package :(

12GAUGE
18-07-2010, 01:57 PM
@Denovo87 and Starfish

You guys are absolutely right. one should always check the box to the deepest to make sure nothing is left out.

as far as the writing is concerned, its "Mastershop Series" and I do not have any idea what it means. I kinda took it for granted when purchasing the said piece and never gave much attention to it. by the way, you guys know my gun is always too much "Greased up" to be "Mustered up" with anything else.

anyways, I've never given much attention to the writing. it does not look at all like engraving. it seems more like the type of marking that we see on Baikal products. it looks as if its printed inside the steel. just like marking on Baikal MP446 "Viking" handgun and MP153 shotgun.

http://i998.photobucket.com/albums/af103/12gauge-pakguns/DSC00178.jpg

http://i998.photobucket.com/albums/af103/12gauge-pakguns/DSC00183.jpg

Regards.

Ilyas
18-07-2010, 02:12 PM
Chalo jee ye sunno, 12g and taking something for granted n not going into details... Anyways if you
want to stretch the suspense, its fine :) But the gun looks really cool and you must explore the possibility
of making some other nice designs, like flames, barbed wire etc :)

12GAUGE
18-07-2010, 02:37 PM
@Ilyas

Sir Jee. honestly, it not engraving and I had nothing to do with it. Its not even engraving. take my word for it. as far as getting it done from Sher Khan Lala is concerned, Bro! this gun (or any part/component of it) hasn't even been to KPK, let alone Sher Khan Lala's place :) .

Besides, Are u sure, Sher Khan Lala has engraving capabilities? cause if he does then I might drop by sometime to get some engraving done on this piece. seems like a good idea. but i'm guessing that would ruin the finish unless I get it refinished (reblued)?

as far as the "Mastershop Series" markings on this piece is concerned, well! all I know for now is that its not engraving, its more like imprinted in the steel. similar to those found on Baikal products.

Regards.

Denovo87
18-07-2010, 02:56 PM
OK itsMastershop not Mustershop, Just did bit a search and found very bleak info on it, guns with this marking were made but these must have some other insignia's. check everything 12guage brother closely there must have been something else printed on any some other place aswell.
Anxiously waiting for more out of ordinary to see .

Aquarius
18-07-2010, 08:34 PM
Thats quite interesting.. never seen Mastershop Series CZ999 before.. :)

Salahuddin Ayubi
19-07-2010, 12:02 AM
As per my intel, three stainless steel guide rods surfaced recently with 12g, Starfish and Gilani Sb. The source, as per the intel, is 12g's MasterShop.

I hope I didn't spoil the fun guys ;) coz it was taking other CZ owners for a spin.

Nabeel
19-07-2010, 01:00 AM
I spoiled right angled triangle packing material and found nothing :rolleyes:

Moral : Greed is curse :D

Dr Zakir
19-07-2010, 01:34 AM
nice grips gillani sahib . sorry to miss u last weekend

coolbox18
19-07-2010, 03:14 PM
Oh I have just checked these developments on this thread, and I must share with you guys that my CZ also as these Mastershop Series markings. Although it does not have SS guide rod.

I am of the opinion that this represents some sort of faactorry customization, such as guide rod or sports trigger (as in my CZ).

Pics will be posted later in the day.
@SA sb, my CZ has not been anywhere close to 12gauge workshop.

@Gilani sb, beautiful grips, mouthwatering infact. i wonder how cool the CZ looks in real life.

Starfish
19-07-2010, 04:12 PM
so many variations in CZ Scorpion! model this and model that.
confusing.

Denovo87
19-07-2010, 04:18 PM
so many variations in CZ Scorpion! model this and model that.
confusing.
And brothers 12guage & coolbox are getting ready to even confuse it mooooorrrre :lol:

Apalo
19-07-2010, 07:16 PM
@Denovo
sir, mujay ik mahawra samj nahi ah raha, samja dain gay,
mahawra hy
kise da mun laal wakh kay apnay mun tay patkaar nai mare day :).
Note. if some one find the resemblance with this "mohawra" for his situation that will only be an incident.

Mangloo Ramzani
30-07-2010, 03:05 PM
@ Gilani:

Sir, sorry missed the thread before. The grips look outstanding, congrats sir! :D

Syed Adeel
02-08-2010, 04:19 PM
no doubt at all. Nice CZ 999 grips Sir Gilani.

Vik
07-08-2010, 02:26 AM
Aoa
Joined in late. So any difference in shooting experience with the steel guide rod.

Vik
07-08-2010, 03:37 AM
Just checked my CZ999. It has got steel guide rod. But not shiny as shown in the pics above.
Its kind of greyish. And I think not as thick as shiny guide rods. Remember CZ999 :)
I will post pics soon.