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Taurus
07-07-2010, 02:10 AM
Hi Guys wanted to share my review about one of the top gun designer in the industry the M&P i tested it a few weeks ago our Member and friend Bloodbath hold this gun took some snaps sorry couldn't bring the target along with me INSHALLAH On my next visit i will surely show up the target review also whereas i say this gun is a gr8 gun ...Mostly we look in the gun is accuracy reliability and design.
I found this gun to fit in some hands whereas it couldn't fit fine with me its just i say a Good Gun but not a match winner pistol..Accuracy is good...Its a very reliable pistol.The Most part i liked its design whereas i didnt like its dissassembling,its Dissassembly is very different and for new users its a bit tough to open..Trigger is just also fine not that good..Felt recoil is also good ...As i would not recommend it for shooters as a match pistol..
As a personal opinion I would say one thing S&W are experts in revolver not in pistols...
I would Rate this gun 7/10
Reliability 10/10
Accuracy 7/10
Trigger 7/10
Recoil 8/10
Assembly Dis assembly 5/10
Design 9/10
I would also ask the users to kindly post their comments and give their review also about this pistol as I personally felt this pistol a Good pistol.

Here are the pics
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Anthrax
07-07-2010, 02:40 AM
Excellent pictures and review sir! Looks quite a winner (As far as looks are concerned) but I was definitely expecting some better opinions about this gun. :| I thought it was a hot favorite on our forum, or at least when compared with the SIGMA.

Taurus
07-07-2010, 02:47 AM
Looks are good i said design wise its good i was expecting much better from this gun but its just a Good Gun. i would say sigma is more accurate than M&P but other features are better but not that good

Viking
07-07-2010, 03:06 AM
saleem bhai ap nay to dil he tor dea :(

AK47
07-07-2010, 11:01 AM
Thanks Taurus bro, many had it on mind as a high profile thing, seems you gotta do with the looks mostly! :(

I played with it at Sheikh Saleems last time I was in Lahore, found the frame a bit too 'high' also! :)

GUNFREAK
07-07-2010, 12:33 PM
Well if you want my experience of M&P, i can only give feed back on my M&P 9c. It is excellent for CC, little slicker than G26. Trigger is good for CC but not ment for range as it is 6.5lbs and stings a little with china bulletsas compared to M&P 9 full size. Easy to maintain and fits perfect in small palms. The M&P 9L has a much lighter trigger. Accuracy is excellent at 10 to 15meters but beyond is quetionable. And Yes disassambly is i bit hard for first timers.

Regards

Sohail
07-07-2010, 12:54 PM
but i have bit off suggestions abot sigma, its trigger weight, accuracy, cc quality etc. M&P is bit plus on it, though i have not used any of them.

regards

GUNFREAK
07-07-2010, 01:09 PM
Looks are good i said design wise its good i was expecting much better from this gun but its just a Good Gun. i would say sigma is more accurate than M&P but other features are better but not that good


I would disagree with you Taurus as i've had sigma, and it is total crap weapon. How can it be more accurate then M&P; you need a crane to pull the 11.5lbs. When you aim and pull the trigger; it is way of balance. I would also question the performance because mine would jam at times with some ammo. A simple want to be Glock copy. But i do know that your and Mr. Chief's(Abbas) friend has won medals with the sigma two tone and proudly holds it in his hands everytime we visit the range.


Regards

Taurus
07-07-2010, 01:14 PM
@GunFreak:- I m talking abt the accuracy it doesnt matter if the trigger pull is hard but as per the ergonomics of M&P it should be very accurate but its not..So Sigma accurate but the trigger pull is quite very heavy

GUNFREAK
07-07-2010, 01:20 PM
BTW Mr. Taurus i got my sig pro yesterday. Will call you to discuss.

Regards

Taurus
07-07-2010, 07:59 PM
Thats gr8 will check out in the range this week

Gilani
07-07-2010, 10:50 PM
Taurus brother, thanks for a very frank and straightforward review. It was a short but a very useful review. I fully agree on this that S&W specialises in revolvers and has been producing great revolvers over the past over 150 years. However, despite having a big name, they have hardly been able to produce a high quality pistol that could compete with Colt, Browning, STI, Kimber etc, the manufacturers that S&W claims to compete.

From your review, what I understand is that purely from quality and shooting performance point of view, this one is not worth paying 180-200k. My simple question is the same, M&P 9 costs almost 4 times the price of MP446. Is it 4 times better than MP446 Viking? May be one has to pay extra 100k for Smith & Wesson name :)

aldofhitler
07-07-2010, 10:57 PM
bhai its vv costly handgun

GUNFREAK
07-07-2010, 11:41 PM
Taurus brother, thanks for a very frank and straightforward review. It was a short but a very useful review. I fully agree on this that S&W specialises in revolvers and has been producing great revolvers over the past over 150 years. However, despite having a big name, they have hardly been able to produce a high quality pistol that could compete with Colt, Browning, STI, Kimber etc, the manufacturers that S&W claims to compete.

From your review, what I understand is that purely from quality and shooting performance point of view, this one is not worth paying 180-200k. My simple question is the same, M&P 9 costs almost 4 times the price of MP446. Is it 4 times better than MP446 Viking? May be one has to pay extra 100k for Smith & Wesson name :)

And 200k extra for Glock name and 300k extra for Sig,hk name! MP446 seems too be the way to go in today's maket. Indeed nice weapon i've used it excellent trigger and range gun but but the finish my brother Gilani i sometimes wonder the true origan of the weapon i mean birth place.

Regards

Gilani
07-07-2010, 11:47 PM
Sir, purely from finish point of view, Viking seems to have taken birth in some far flung African jungle slums. :lol:

Taurus
08-07-2010, 12:11 AM
@Gilani:- Quality and Finish is really same of glock built wise its excellent but not worthed for 200k for target shooting i would go for Baikal 446 instead of this pistol its just in our country ppl think expensive items are worth ed but if this case was of US and they had 2 choices only either m&p or viking 446 then i am sure they would go for viking for target

GUNFREAK
08-07-2010, 12:15 AM
And which one would you choose for HD or SD between the two?

regards

Taurus
08-07-2010, 01:39 AM
Well GunFreak if HD OR SD i would go M&P because baikal 446 has a sports trigger we cant use it for SD Or HD but why to spent too much for SD and HD ..i would rather go for a shotgun reliable one that would maverick fabarm and others...and pistols would be cz999 stoeger cougar and others

GUNFREAK
08-07-2010, 01:43 AM
Got it! thanks. Sorry for off topic but man you were so right about the Sigpro 2022. I shot it yesterday WHAT A TRIGGER. And what a hidden jewel in weaponary.

regards

Gilani
08-07-2010, 04:42 PM
@Gilani:- Quality and Finish is really same of glock built wise its excellent but not worthed for 200k for target shooting i would go for Baikal 446 instead of this pistol its just in our country ppl think expensive items are worth ed but if this case was of US and they had 2 choices only either m&p or viking 446 then i am sure they would go for viking for target
Absolutely agreed. :)

StevenCline
11-07-2010, 07:35 AM
Wading in on the Sigma/M&P observations- I'd take the M&P over the Sigma in a New York second (very very short period of time, much shorter than a regular old second).

Just one man's opinion.

Vik
18-07-2010, 03:24 AM
Well GunFreak if HD OR SD i would go M&P because baikal 446 has a sports trigger we cant use it for SD Or HD but why to spent too much for SD and HD ..i would rather go for a shotgun reliable one that would maverick fabarm and others...and pistols would be cz999 stoeger cougar and others

Taurus Bhi, are you going to keep the shotgun loaded?
CZ999 would be a very good choice. But In single action trigger is very light.

Vik
18-07-2010, 03:27 AM
If Viking was 30% thinner with a smaller grip I would have bought it. But its a very bulky
sledge hammer type of pistol.

Vik
18-07-2010, 03:30 AM
Got it! thanks. Sorry for off topic but man you were so right about the Sigpro 2022. I shot it yesterday WHAT A TRIGGER. And what a hidden jewel in weaponary.

regards

I know this off topic but couldn't help It. Fired a G-17 today. Its just another pistol
when compared to SP2022. Sig is Sig. I didn't knew that.
sorry for off topicing.

Denovo87
18-07-2010, 10:31 AM
If Viking was 30% thinner with a smaller grip I would have bought it. But its a very bulky
sledge hammer type of pistol.

Vik bro you are asking for almost .25 pistol thickness of a 9mm ;) by the way when I saw viking 1st it looked bulky too but believe me its about g17 thick, you can verify it by measuring both :) and by taking 30% off from thickness means you need a SA/DA pistol without a frame on the barrel ;)

Mangloo Ramzani
10-08-2010, 10:34 PM
OK, had the pleasure to shoot and shoot from this S&W. I frankly would not rate it too high.

Its reliable, and ergonomically built (with a choice of three different grip backs!), but the trigger is most uncomfortable, to me at least, because of the breaking type safety action. :| Also the bang is much higher (to scare the opposition maybe). Seems like a mix of Glock and Sig.

Note the (primitive type) round in chamber indicator in the last pic! The circular window on the top of slide where 9MM is visibly written. What a technology! ;)

Some Eye Candy for you to enjoy!

http://i791.photobucket.com/albums/yy197/Mangloo/Handgun%20Pics/DSC_7511.jpg
http://i791.photobucket.com/albums/yy197/Mangloo/Handgun%20Pics/DSC_7492.jpg
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http://i791.photobucket.com/albums/yy197/Mangloo/Handgun%20Pics/DSC_7493.jpg

Regards

Aquarius
11-08-2010, 11:55 AM
Well M&P looks a nice gun but one thing is for sure.. your photography is excellent Ramzani brother... :)

Mangloo Ramzani
11-08-2010, 05:03 PM
@ Aquarius:
Thank you very much for appreciating my photography sir! :D

khanjee
11-08-2010, 05:19 PM
@ Mangloo Ramzani Bro

i am really surprized to see your shooting ( both ones). Bro "Aap To Chuppay Rustam Niklay".

your photography is really surperb. believe me its at professinal level.

happy shooting bro :D

Mangloo Ramzani
11-08-2010, 08:17 PM
Khanjee bro, thank you for your kind words! :)