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PUNJTANI5
28-06-2010, 12:35 PM
does any body know about this pistol and ctgs and
what is the performance of ctg against .22lr

this is also called the general's gun

something about cartridge


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SOMETHING ABT GUN


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Faisji
28-06-2010, 06:41 PM
Wiki

The PSM (Pistolet Samozaryadny Malogabaritny, Russian for "small self-loading pistol") was designed by the Tula Design Bureau in 1969 as a self-defense firearm for law enforcement and military officers of the USSR. The pistol entered production at the Izhevsk Mechanical Plant in 1973.

The PSM is a blowback-operated handgun with a double action trigger and slide mounted manual safety without a slide stop. The grip panels are made from thin aluminum and new model with hard plastic. The weapon is made from steel.

The PSM was designed around the newly developed 5.45x18mm cartridge, which was developed for the weapon by Precision Mechanical Engineering Central Research Institute. The cartridge is capable of penetrating 55 layers of kevlar at realistic engagement distances.[citation needed] This cartridge has a bottlenecked case and a spitzer-pointed jacketed bullet, providing performance superior to the .22 LR and .25 ACP (6.35x16mmSR Browning) rounds.

The pistol was primarily intended for army high command staff. However, owing to its insignificant dimensions, especially small thickness (21 mm across the safety catch), it soon became popular with security (KGB) and law enforcement (militsiya) personnel. The PSM was also appreciated by higher echelon Communist Party functionaries.[citation needed]

An export model designated the IZh-75 was produced in .25 ACP.

About the cartridge


5.45x18mm MPTs (7N7) is a Russian pistol cartridge.[1] It is chambered in the PSM pistol and OTs-23 DROTIK machine pistol.

It was designed in the Soviet Union in the early 1970s by Antonina D. Denisova at the Precision Mechanical Engineering Central Research Institute (TsNIITochmash). The development was done in concert with that of the PSM.

The cartridge design of the 5.45x18mm is essentially a 9x18mm Makarov pistol cartridge bottlenecked down to take a smaller spitzer-pointed jacketed high velocity bullet. In terms of power, the bullet energy is stated to be up to 1.5 times that of the .25 ACP in a similar sized cartridge. More importantly, it is stated to be capable of penetrating 30-45 layers of Kevlar soft body armor followed by 10 to 15mm of solid pinewood at "realistic engagement distances".

Faisji
28-06-2010, 06:43 PM
5.45mm next to 9x19

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PUNJTANI5
28-06-2010, 06:57 PM
no faisji bhai
this ctg is not a bottle necked makarov bullet but
it is a bottlenecked
7.62x17mm rimless russian round

as shown in the initial post in comparison with a 9mmx19 round


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Faisji
28-06-2010, 09:11 PM
7.62x17mm rimless russian round



Which guns were used with this bullet ??

ACHILLES
28-06-2010, 09:28 PM
I have seen fired the PSM the gun is nice and extremly thin one. The bullet has steel core for the purpose of defeating bullet proof jackets. Has got blow back action. Rest of the features are like Makrov.

KageFox
29-06-2010, 12:25 AM
From Jane's Guns Recognition Guide by Ian Hogg & Terry Gander


...This is a simple blowback pistol which has been made as slim as possible and without any surface excrescences so that it can be easily concealed. It fires an unusual cartridge at an unremarkable velocity, and yet some reports claim that it has remarkable penetrative powers against certain specific types of body armour. Although intended strictly to be an issue pistol for the Soviet security forces, it has become readily available on the black market in Central Europe, and might be expected to turn up anywhere in the future.

Commercial models of this pistol have been marketed, including a variant chambered in 6.35mm (0.25 ACP) ammunition. These commercial models can be recognised by their moulded pistol grips

Hope this helps...

PUNJTANI5
04-07-2010, 07:58 PM
7.62 x17mm is the russian 32 bore ctg made for some of the smaller pistols (made by both china and russia the carton says 7,62x17mm ball rounds 35cartridges then some chinese or russian gibberish is writteh under it slightly hotter than .32 acp and a 32 gun fires it quite easily but .32 acp is semi rimmed ctg

actually if .32 acp is not written on any eastern block / chinese ctg box then it is a 7.62x17mm cartridge

i hope all understand what i say

and good addition Kagefox sahab

mhrehman
04-07-2010, 10:12 PM
Interesting info, Brig Ayyaz is a very good friend of mine, next time I visit him, must try this weapon.

mhrehman
05-07-2010, 12:13 PM
Mention who bro :D

Skeeter60
06-07-2010, 09:33 PM
Interesting info, Brig Ayyaz is a very good friend of mine, next time I visit him, must try this weapon.

Brig Ayaz Khan
is an old buddy of mine we shot to gather in Rifle and pistol matches all over the world from Chile to China. He is very experienced and knowledge able, I wish we manage to drag him in the Forum . He also has super sense of humour .
J.Umer

PUNJTANI5
08-07-2010, 11:29 PM
please do not drag the old brig ayaz

instead invite him politely and respectfully
i am sure he will listen to you

Skeeter60
09-07-2010, 08:42 AM
please do not drag the old brig ayaz

instead invite him politely and respectfully
i am sure he will listen to you

I stand corrected.
How ever we are child hood friends so I guess I can call him names

Gilani
09-07-2010, 02:12 PM
I would be an honour to have Ayaz sahib around .................

PUNJTANI5
10-07-2010, 11:59 AM
ya an old gun hand like brig ayaz sahib will be indeed a precious addition to PG
i think abbas should be asked to visit him and formerly invite Brig. AYAZ sb to join PG

we can all learn from his experiences