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12GAUGE
21-06-2010, 02:16 PM
AoA Everybody

Usually I do not post articles that I stumble upon while surfing but after reading this particular piece i thought why not make an exception this time. The author in the article is demonstrating proper/recommended/appropriate way of lubricating a SIG Sauer Pistol. Since CZ999 Scorpion and Norinco NP22 handguns are infact SIG based handguns therefore same lubrication principles should apply.

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http://grayguns.com/lubrication-of-sig-sauer-pistol-rails/
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Lubrication of Sig Sauer pistol rails
August 19, 2009 by Scott Folk (Former Employee)

This article is about what I personally recommend for lubricating Sig Sauer pistols. I have different methods for lubricating other guns, but this article is focused on the Sig Sauer pistols.

My philosophy: If metal rubs metal, it needs grease between the parts.

We lubricate guns simply to allow the parts that rub on one another to move smoothly. Modern combat handguns are not intended to be run without lubrication. One of our customers made this mistake recently and is now spending a lot of additional money to get his gun in working order after degreasing his gun and dry firing 1,000 times after it came back from Grayguns.

Application of grease
I had an empty “Shooter’s Choice” syringe sitting around so I filled it with my favorite grease. Any method of application will work just fine. I use about half-ounce of grease a day while working on guns. I was in need of a way to keep grease readily available without having to unscrew the top of a jar or bottle and I found the syringe to work perfectly for me. What I like best about the syringe is that I can put the grease directly where I want it, such as inside certain springs and the corners of frame rails.
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Product options
Any gun-grade grease will do the trick. I personally prefer to use Brian Enos’ Slide Glide, Shooter’s Choice grease including a cool syringe for later use or Lubriplate found at Brownells.com. The grease in the following pictures is a lithium/moly-based grease that I’m experimenting with, details available soon.

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I’ve applied most of the grease to the underside of the frame rail completely filling the top inside corner. This is critical along the length of the rails because most of the force of recoil lifts the slide and applies force backward and upward against the underside of the frame rails.

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Notice how there is a greater amount of grease near the muzzle end of the gun than at the rear. This is intentional. There is only so much space in the tolerance of the pistol for lubrication to reside. Since the slide goes on back to front it’ll push the remaining grease to the back of the frame and bunch it up on the back of the slide when the slide it closed.

You can see that I didn’t use as much grease on the side of the rails as I did on the underside, this is purely because it’s not generally necessary.

The top also gets a layer of grease to protect against galling and excess friction.

More pictures and more information will be posted in the coming days, and I provided detailed shots on applying grease to the pistol’s internals as well.

Different mission, different approach
For my every day carry (EDC) I grease the rails, put the slide on, run the action a couple of times, remove the slide then wipe the rails off to remove the large amount of bulk. I leave the grease on the under side of the rails alone when I wipe them off, the slide normally holds enough grease to keep things running.

For an EDC, remember your gun goes everywhere you do and is exposed to everything you are, hot, cold, humidity, dust, taco shells from that ill advised taco you ate while trying to talk on your cell phone while driving last week….everything. So if you have grease squirting out of every crevasse on the gun, you’ll be attracting the general detritus of every day life into your gun. Generally, that crap doesn’t generally make it in far enough to do any kind of damage unless you’re irresponsible enough to never clean your carry gun.

For open carry EDC for law enforcement, you gotta start thinking a bit more. I’ve had a couple of cops bring me their duty pistols for work and I’ve been astonished at what I’ve found. When I cocked the hammer of one of them, I found three pieces off bitten of finger nail and a corner of plastic from a plastic ketchup packet….I mean WTF MAN! Clean your freaking gun.

I asked how long it thad been since he last cleaned it and he told me it had been a couple years, “I hardly ever use it, I figured it was still pretty clean” was his excuse. His gun was absolutely bone dry, I actually found dust on the frame rails as opposed to lube.

That brings me to another subject, cleaning. Here’s what I recommend.

Competition
Clean it after every 200 to 400 rounds. Most of the time a big match or a day of shooting will be enough of a work out that your gun will need cleaning.

EDC with frequent use including open carry
Clean it after every time you use it. If you’re going to depend on that gun to save your life, you want it to work the first time you pull the trigger, so keep it clean and lubed.

EDC with little to no use
Clean your gun at least once a month. More of the same of your gun being needed to save your life. Even without use, your gun needs to be cleaned and relubricated, so give it a quick bath and make sure it’s ready when you need it. There are 720 hours in a 30 day month, I think you can afford to spend 1/720 of a month cleaning your gun every month, it’s cheap insurance.
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Regards.

Topak
21-06-2010, 04:03 PM
nice and informative.......
Sir will not grease collect dust according to our climate and surroundings?

Nazim Sahib
21-06-2010, 05:31 PM
thx for the info.........wouldnt it be a bit bettr to use oil rather then grease?thats what i do.

12GAUGE
21-06-2010, 08:30 PM
nice and informative.......
Sir will not grease collect dust according to our climate and surroundings?

Topak Bro, any lubricant regardless of nature would collect dirt and residue. its in the very nature of a viscous fluid. grease or oil has nothing to do with it. from purely lubrication standpoint, oil will always be better than grease however when we consider load on the metal-metal contact surfaces and adhesion to those metal surfaces, grease would beat oils hands down. no doubt about it.

any benefits that one gets from using oil are nullified when oil migrates and leaves the place it is supposed to lubricate. there is a reason why engines have oil pump that continuously pump oil from oil-pan to heads. the biggest advantage of using grease is that it stays put and quality (modern) greases are as effective as (modern) lubricating oils.

as a general rule of thumb. always oil fast moving surfaces and always grease contact surfaces that experience high loads. in handguns, trigger mechanism and finer springs and sprockets should always get a light coating of oil whereas slide/frame rails, barrel (outside only), slide to trigger interface should always get a light coating of a quality grease.

Regards.

p.s. there is a reason why engines are lubricated using oils (fast moving/high RPM) whereas axle joints are greased (slow moving but high load bearing). one more thing: grease itself is nothing more than oil molecules (mineral or synthetic) suspended in a soap. quality greases usually have other additives such as molybedenum disulphide or teflon to give it enhanced lubrication ability.

Abu Al Hawl
21-06-2010, 08:39 PM
well said 12G bro.

Denovo87
21-06-2010, 08:48 PM
Great share 12guage bro, I never saw a gun that clean by the way :)

KageFox
21-06-2010, 09:05 PM
Nice find, 12Gauge, sir. The last para was especially enlightening for those of us whose defense weapons are just lying there, unused...

SPAYPANTHER
21-06-2010, 11:34 PM
nice info 12 gauge sir

Aquarius
22-06-2010, 12:21 AM
Nice share 12gauge brother.... :)

Topak
22-06-2010, 10:33 AM
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm... :)
thanks 12 G for clarifications....no doubt you are the source of knowledge for us.

12GAUGE
22-06-2010, 07:14 PM
Great share 12guage bro, I never saw a gun that clean by the way :)

Bro, you haven't seen my guns yet. ;)

Regards.

p.s. they are usually as clean as a whistle and occasionally totally destroyed due to over cleaning. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

12GAUGE
22-06-2010, 07:16 PM
@Everybody

Thanks for the appreciation. Just remember:

"AS IN LIFE, THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS OVER-LUBRICATION" :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Regards.

coolbox18
23-06-2010, 12:53 AM
@Everybody

Thanks for the appreciation. Just remember:

"AS IN LIFE, THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS OVER-LUBRICATION" :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Regards.
@12guage sb, I have read, i recall, at more than one instance, that if specific parts of a gun are over lubricated, it may not fire, i think it had to do with the trigger assembly, or some paart related to it (firing pin)?
i believe this, if true, is also not much unsimilar to real life? or is it? :D

SPAYPANTHER
23-06-2010, 09:40 AM
@12guage sb, I have read, i recall, at more than one instance, that if specific parts of a gun are over lubricated, it may not fire, i think it had to do with the trigger assembly, or some paart related to it (firing pin)?
i believe this, if true, is also not much unsimilar to real life? or is it? :D

Bro I keep my hand guns in oil when they are not in use ( at that time they remain over lubricated ) and when I need them I just jerk them to remove extra ordinary oil and then clean their surface with a cotton cloth ( not internally ) and then BANG BANG BANG

with out any problem;)

Starfish
23-06-2010, 09:42 AM
@Everybody

Thanks for the appreciation. Just remember:

"AS IN LIFE, THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS OVER-LUBRICATION" :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Regards.
@12guage sb, I have read, i recall, at more than one instance, that if specific parts of a gun are over lubricated, it may not fire, i think it had to do with the trigger assembly, or some paart related to it (firing pin)?
i believe this, if true, is also not much unsimilar to real life? or is it? :D
hahahaha
dany sb! yeh coolbox ko add kerain KBC main! he has shown he deserves the spot :P
bulkay koi honorary "wazarat" bhi arrange ker dien :)

12GAUGE
23-06-2010, 10:42 AM
@coolbox18

Bro, you took my little joke quiet literally. it was only meant to be a joke. ofcourse, too much lubrication is only good for your gun (wait! I did not say your firearm). get it? :lol: :lol:

allow me to leave you with another: "as in life, there is always time for lubrication" ;)

Regards.

Salahuddin Ayubi
23-06-2010, 10:54 AM
@Starfish,

He was formally inducted two days ago by President KBC after a screening and initial interview conducted in person by yours truly last week in Karachi. ;)

Denovo87
23-06-2010, 10:59 AM
@coolbox18

Bro, you took my little joke quiet literally. it was only meant to be a joke. ofcourse, too much lubrication is only good for your gun (wait! I did not say your firearm). get it? :lol: :lol:

allow me to leave you with another: "as in life, there is always time for lubrication" ;)

Regards.

A nicely lubricated reply :) coolbox bro hope this will help you to sort technical info and kinky stuff seperate ;)

Starfish
23-06-2010, 12:11 PM
@Starfish,

He was formally inducted two days ago by President KBC after a screening and initial interview conducted in person by yours truly last week in Karachi. ;)

inducted by the pir himself. now that's an accolade to flaunt :P

noumanzaidi
23-06-2010, 12:13 PM
really informative thanx bro :)

Ahsan Tauheed
23-06-2010, 01:19 PM
@12guage sb, I have read, i recall, at more than one instance, that if specific parts of a gun are over lubricated, it may not fire, i think it had to do with the trigger assembly, or some paart related to it (firing pin)?
i believe this, if true, is also not much unsimilar to real life? or is it? :D

Bro I keep my hand guns in oil when they are not in use ( at that time they remain over lubricated ) and when I need them I just jerk them to remove extra ordinary oil and then clean their surface with a cotton cloth ( not internally ) and then BANG BANG BANG

with out any problem;)


+ Spaypanther bhai a right way to keep ur arms :D :D and shows that how much u care them ;) ;) ;)