View Full Version : Ottoman Empire Handguns - Manufactured or Captured

12-06-2010, 11:00 PM
Gentlemen AOA! I had an opportunity to visit the Turkish Army Museum and I photographed the Ottomans collection of hand guns which I am posting for your viewing. These photographs include a few carbines / rifles / two old vintage machineguns as well. To explain the weapon, I am using exactly the same terminology as was used there in the museum. These terminologies might have been in use then but may sound strange to us now. For example, you will quite frequently see the explanation as "Revolving Pistols". Please ignore them. Similarly, I am using the same spellings as have been used there at the museum. I have photographed the explanations as well, but including them in the post would have created lot of confusion. Therefore I am writing the explanations but for the pictures which are self explanatory there is no caption. There are a total of 129 handguns but I think it will require lot of stamina to post them all at once so I shall be posting them all in couple of days.
Happy Viewing

1. Self Loading Pistol, German Model 1896

http://s2.postimage.org/7aEa0.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=Ts7aEa0)

2. Ten Barrelled Pin Fire Pistol, German (Reform), Model 1911

http://s1.postimage.org/fwVeA.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gxfwVeA)

3. Four Barrelled Pin Fire Pistol German (Reform), Model 1911

http://s1.postimage.org/fxlG9.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gxfxlG9)

4. Two Barrelled Pistol, German, 20th Century

http://s1.postimage.org/fxvEJ.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gxfxvEJ)

5. Pocket Pistol, French, End of 19th Century

http://s1.postimage.org/fxI7r.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gxfxI7r)

6. Details Inside the Pictures

http://s1.postimage.org/fyz_A.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gxfyz_A)

http://s1.postimage.org/fyHu0.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gxfyHu0)

http://s1.postimage.org/fyOYr.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gxfyOYr)

http://s1.postimage.org/fyTXJ.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gxfyTXJ)

http://s1.postimage.org/fz2Wi.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gxfz2Wi)

http://s1.postimage.org/fzfp0.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gxfzfp0)

http://s1.postimage.org/fzrSJ.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gxfzrSJ)

http://s1.postimage.org/fEQ69.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gxfEQ69)

7. Multi Barrelled Percussion Pistols

http://s1.postimage.org/fBqAS.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gxfBqAS)

http://s1.postimage.org/fBS1r.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gxfBS1r)

http://s1.postimage.org/fC100.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gxfC100)

http://s1.postimage.org/fC8ur.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gxfC8ur)

http://s1.postimage.org/fCnsi.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gxfCnsi)

http://s1.postimage.org/fCzW0.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gxfCzW0)

http://s1.postimage.org/fCJUA.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gxfCJUA)

http://s1.postimage.org/fD2RJ.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gxfD2RJ)

8. Bullet Casting Dies

http://s1.postimage.org/fEcbS.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gxfEcbS)

http://s1.postimage.org/fEr9J.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gxfEr9J)

http://s1.postimage.org/fFo19.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gxfFo19)

9. Bolt Action Carbine, German (Mauser), Model 1895 Spanish

http://s1.postimage.org/fG0Wr.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gxfG0Wr)

10. Revolving Pistol German (Sahi), Model 1879

http://s1.postimage.org/fGfUi.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gxfGfUi)

11. Beigian (Lafaucheux), 2nd Half of 19th Century

http://s1.postimage.org/fHudJ.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gxfHudJ)

12. Belgian (Liege), 19th Century

http://s1.postimage.org/fHEci.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gxfHEci)

13. Percussion Revolving Carbine Austrian

http://s1.postimage.org/fHTa9.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gxfHTa9)

http://s1.postimage.org/fI28J.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gxfI28J)

14. Revolving Pistols, Model 1890, Monteneg

http://s1.postimage.org/fIm5S.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gxfIm5S)

http://s1.postimage.org/fIw4r.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gxfIw4r)

15. Percussion Lock Revolving Pistol

http://s1.postimage.org/fI_09.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gxfI_09)

16. Dropping Block Pistol

http://s1.postimage.org/fJbtS.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gxfJbtS)

17. Percussion Lock Revolving Pistol. Belongs to Major General Hafiz Mehmet Pasha

http://s1.postimage.org/fJsWS.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gxfJsWS)

18. Percussion Lock Rifle English (Tower), 1858

http://s1.postimage.org/fJAqi.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gxfJAqi)

19. Pinfire Revolving Carbine, Belgian, Second Half of 19th Century

http://s1.postimage.org/fJFpA.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gxfJFpA)

20. Flintlock Pistol, French 19th Century

http://s1.postimage.org/fJPo9.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gxfJPo9)

21. Flintlock Carbine 19th Century

http://s1.postimage.org/fJZmJ.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gxfJZmJ)

12-06-2010, 11:09 PM
Quite an interesting share, sir. The Ottomans seem to have used quite a variety of weapons, a lot of them foreign made, or clones of European weapons, such as the Kirrikale, the Walther clone. I also noted that a number of unusual firearm designs were also used by the Turks...

12-06-2010, 11:23 PM
Welcome back Sir and a great share indeed. Enjoyed watching the pics. Quite some history attached to them :)

12-06-2010, 11:35 PM
4. Two Barrelled Pistol, German, 20th Century

http://s1.postimage.org/fxvEJ.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gxfxvEJ)

Excellent EXCELLENT thread Mr Mailk! That must've been some trip! Being a fan of historic weapons, I can honestly say that this has increased my knowledge a lot!

By the way, the pistol that I've quoted is called a "Derringer" now and is quite famous in the U.S and is being mass produced for customers world wide. It's design actually started to take shape during the early 1800's and since then its been heavily modified (To some degree). Just goes to show that this relic of a design is still somewhat practical in today's modern age. :)

Quick Trivia: A Philadelphia version of the derringer was used to assassinate Abraham Lincoln.

Thumbs up for the thread! :)

P.S here's the modern Derringer;

12-06-2010, 11:36 PM
great share indeed

12-06-2010, 11:44 PM
Malik Bhai... thanks for sharing this wonderful experience with us and you've done excellent
job with the camera :)

13-06-2010, 12:10 AM
Many thanks every body. I have many more pictures of very interesting weapons of Turks. Now the issue is that should I keep editing the first post and keep on adding the pictures there or add the next chunk of pictures in another succeeding post. Which one you gentlemen think is better

13-06-2010, 12:14 AM
I would suggest editing the first post, so anyone seeing these later will not miss anything.

13-06-2010, 12:14 AM
keep adding the posts, Sir. It would be easier to see and easy for you as well. :)

13-06-2010, 12:15 AM
+1 Gilani sb! Would be easier to track the new pics that way.

13-06-2010, 12:29 AM
Thanks Malik bro, nice to see forefathers of the firearms we are enjoying now a days.
Please post new pics in new post that will be easy for us to see whats new in the thread, secondly (if you can please) make different sections for specific type/action of firearms and make an individual post for every type/action firearm with some info on the specific actions like matchloc, flintlock, percussion etc followed by the photos if its not a big problem :)

This way we will have a very close intro to the weapons we never saw but our new toys are here just because these oldies were thought, made and worked on centuries ago..

13-06-2010, 01:06 AM
lovely thread

13-06-2010, 01:18 AM
Ok Buddies here you go. I post the second of series maintaining the serial numbers for the photos so that somebody picking the thread from in between does know that there were few pictures posted earlier as well. And Denovo Bro, I am sorry, it would be very difficult for me to categorize them as you asked because I have incomplete information on some weapons and I do not want to use my judgement in history. In next session I shall post the Ottoman's own efforts

22. Magazine Pistol, Spanish, Astra 20th Century

http://s2.postimage.org/7EWki.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=Ts7EWki)

23. Revolver (Webley) English Model 1887

http://s2.postimage.org/7Fai9.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=Ts7Fai9)

24. Pistol (Origon not clear)

http://s2.postimage.org/7FrL9.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=Ts7FrL9)

25. American Revolver

http://s4.postimage.org/rWF_S.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=aVrWF_S)

26. Belgian Revolver

http://s4.postimage.org/rWIv0.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=aVrWIv0)

27. Percussion Revolver, American Model 1860

http://s4.postimage.org/rWK_9.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=aVrWK_9)

28. Revolving Pistol American (S & W), Model 1875, Owned by Arnarut Mehmet Ali

http://s4.postimage.org/rYxeA.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=aVrYxeA)

29. American (S & W) Model 1870, Russian

http://s4.postimage.org/rYWb0.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=aVrYWb0)

30. Automatic Pistol (Webley & Scott), Owned by Grand Vizir Talat Pasha, Early 20th Century

http://s4.postimage.org/r_Iqr.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=aVr_Iqr)

31. Revolver Webley, Model 1892

http://s4.postimage.org/s0qk0.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=aVs0qk0)

32. Walther Pistols. History Explained in third snap shot below both Pistols

http://s4.postimage.org/s0Pgr.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=aVs0Pgr)

http://s4.postimage.org/s15Jr.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=aVs15Jr)

http://s4.postimage.org/s1dcS.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=aVs1dcS)

33. Rapier German, Early 20th Century

http://s4.postimage.org/s1uFS.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=aVs1uFS)

34. Mauser, German, History in 2nd Shot

http://s4.postimage.org/s2hyJ.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=aVs2hyJ)

http://s4.postimage.org/s2rxi.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=aVs2rxi)

35. Pocket Pistol (Details not known)

http://s4.postimage.org/s2Vt0.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=aVs2Vt0)

36. Various Flintlock Firing Mechanisms

http://s4.postimage.org/s36WJ.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=aVs36WJ)

13-06-2010, 01:40 AM
very nice sharing and I am really happy to see these classics ....

13-06-2010, 01:42 AM
beautiful guns sir. thanks a lot for sharing. waiting for more.

13-06-2010, 01:47 AM
Amazing classics
My hot's are for the S.No: 12. Belgian (Liege), 19th Century
Thanks for sharing

13-06-2010, 01:22 PM
Very nice Sharing bro :)

Mangloo Ramzani
13-06-2010, 02:02 PM
WOW! Amazing share Sir! :o :D

13-06-2010, 03:22 PM
great pics........
34 Number is awesome.

Ahmed Sultan
13-06-2010, 03:24 PM
Very nice, thanks for sharing.

13-06-2010, 03:54 PM
Great pictures.. thanks for sharing..... :)

13-06-2010, 05:32 PM
34. Mauser, German, History in 2nd Shot

http://s4.postimage.org/s2hyJ.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=aVs2hyJ)

http://s4.postimage.org/s2rxi.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=aVs2rxi)

Great share Malik sir, a very informative share for the one who love old guns..

the one i quoted is a very famous weapon (Mauser 96) amongst the Pukhtoons, still used by a few khans in the Charsada, mardan and swat region and most commonly known as Ger-ma-nay.

@ Topak

Dear bro i have one of these ll show You soon INSHALLAH....

13-06-2010, 06:55 PM
what a informative thread, thank you Malik bhi

14-06-2010, 01:00 PM
wonderful pics malik sb...very informative

15-06-2010, 12:36 PM
Many thanks for compliments. I,m now posting the Exclusive Turk Weapons. Thet were placed in a separate room which had, on that day, some problem of light (its not that only we have problems of electricity here, other countries also have it, though sometimes :) ) so many are not clear. I am posting only which are relatively clear shots. Happy Viewing.

37. Pitol Holster Ottomon 19th Century

http://s2.postimage.org/gfSJJ.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=TsgfSJJ)

38. Pistol Holster Ottomon Late 18th Century

http://s3.postimage.org/MOizJ.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=PqMOizJ)

39. Pinfire Magazine Pistol, Turkish

http://s3.postimage.org/MP2Yr.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=PqMP2Yr)

40. Sample Gun, Made by Nuri Killigil as an originol gun. One part of the Gun Instrunment Mannufactured in Istanbul, other finished in Poland

http://s3.postimage.org/MPppJ.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=PqMPppJ)

41. Pinfire Pistol Ottoman (Martini) 1891, Istanbul "Imalathane-i-Harbiye" Production

http://s3.postimage.org/MPBTr.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=PqMPBTr)

42.Revolving Pistol (With Cutlass), Ottoman mid of 19th Century

http://s3.postimage.org/MPVQA.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=PqMPVQA)

43. Signalling Pistol, Ottoman, Mid 19th Century, "Imalathane-i-Harbiye" Production

http://s3.postimage.org/MQ2k0.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=PqMQ2k0)

44. Pinfire Pistol, Ottoman, Second Half of19th Century

http://s3.postimage.org/MQNIJ.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=PqMQNIJ)

45. Percussion Lock Pistol, Mid 19th Century, Made by Ibrahim in Istanbul, Imperial Armoury

http://s3.postimage.org/MR9a0.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=PqMR9a0)

46. Double Barrelled Percussion Lock Pistol, Craftsmen Ibrahim, Istanbul, Imperial Armoury

http://s3.postimage.org/MRo7S.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=PqMRo7S)

47. Percussion Lock Pistol, Ottoman mid 19th Century

http://s3.postimage.org/MRvCi.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=PqMRvCi)

http://s3.postimage.org/MRy6r.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=PqMRy6r)

48. Flintlock Pistols, Ottoman (Balkan Region), End of 18th Centurey, Craftsman Abidi

http://s3.postimage.org/MVj40.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=PqMVj40)

http://s3.postimage.org/MXEer.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=PqMXEer)

http://s3.postimage.org/MYG59.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=PqMYG59)

49. Flintlock Pistol, Ottoman

http://s3.postimage.org/MYV30.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=PqMYV30)

http://s3.postimage.org/MZ41A.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=PqMZ41A)

50. Models of Two Early Vintage Machine Guns

http://s3.postimage.org/MZFrJ.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=PqMZFrJ)

http://s3.postimage.org/M_3o9.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=PqM_3o9)

15-06-2010, 07:02 PM
Great photography once again Malik Sahib.. thanks for sharing. :)

15-06-2010, 08:53 PM
@Malik Sb this is fabulous stuff, thanks very much for the virtual tour! I'm wondering how this pistol would work, it has a fascinating shape.

1. Self Loading Pistol, German Model 1896

http://s2.postimage.org/7aEa0.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=Ts7aEa0)

11-08-2013, 07:13 PM
very interesting n informative share, sir

12-08-2013, 02:30 PM
Very Informative Share.... Thanks....

18-03-2014, 06:36 PM
Very good historical information. Very impressive. Thanks for sharing.

24-03-2014, 02:06 AM
Thanks for the share .. an excellent insight

24-03-2014, 06:22 PM
Thnak u bro to recall the history of weapons