View Full Version : Pictures: Kanuni S & Norinco NZ 85

02-03-2009, 06:21 PM

Went to the market today after ages. Bought Phantom's Kanuni S and found a NZ85 that I was looking for. I've never been much of a fan of CZ designs and clones but NZ85 performance is too good to overlook in this price range.

The Kanuni S cost me 31 k and the NZ85 for 35 K.

I'll post pictures & a short review tonight InshAllah !

02-03-2009, 08:16 PM
Here are pictures of the NZ85.





02-03-2009, 08:17 PM
Pictures of the Kanuni S.







02-03-2009, 08:18 PM
A comparison between NZ85 and Kanuni S.


Both vs several popular pistols.


02-03-2009, 08:47 PM
The NZ85 is very solidly built, as Balazona put it 'built like a tank', and it is. The accuracy and toughness is amazing for a sub 40 K pistol. I think of all the clones Norinco is making they got this one 'just' right and it is a fantastic copy of the NZ85. The rest of the review would be the same as CZ-85 or 75.

02-03-2009, 09:03 PM
Abbas,Congratulations to u on new purchases.and now u should join our Norinco club.lol
BTW,that plastic floor plate on NZ-85B mag is looking awesome.mine didnt come with this.

02-03-2009, 09:22 PM
Nice additions Congrats Abass Bhai!!

02-03-2009, 09:24 PM
Abbas bhai i see that u have removed the paint from the safety pin :o it was a protection against scratches on sharp edges.

02-03-2009, 09:31 PM
Thank you everyone, I've already put in an application for the Norinco club ;)

The magazine in the picture is different, it's not Norinco. I wanted a better quality / higher capacity mag and the P.A.R.A people were kind enough to offer me a Tanfoglio magazine, I think it's Italian. You sold me on the NZ yesterday !

@Phantom If this pistol is any good at the range, it's going to get used by a lot of PakGuns members over time. Don't worry, you found it a good home :cool:

02-03-2009, 09:33 PM
Looks nice!

Have you thought about Zigana as well?

02-03-2009, 09:36 PM
How much they charged for tanfoglio mags.or they just replaced with Norinco mags.

02-03-2009, 09:40 PM
I kept one Norinco and they changed the other one free of cost.

02-03-2009, 09:44 PM
I have no doubt about good home. Anxious to know about its result on range. Abbas bhai did u fire any rounds from Kanuni?

02-03-2009, 09:50 PM
Abbas,u got a good deal on NZ-85Bpistol.is it also availble at P.A.R.A.

02-03-2009, 09:55 PM
@FP As soon as the licenses open and I have througly tested the Kanuni, I'll consider the Zigana. Zubair has been kind enough to offer some in a very attractive price.

@Phantom Lol at test firing rounds already. Will try it at the range coming weekend InshAllah.

@Balazona Thanks, it was a good deal and it was the last piece they had tucked away secretly for me in a closet ;)

02-03-2009, 10:02 PM
I will buy a Kanuni again as soon as a i get enough funds or maybe sometime later i might buy it back from Abbas bhai if he is selling at that time.However i loved pt99 and it had so low recoil compared to chinese weapons. In three days i will be getting my pistol inshallah.

02-03-2009, 10:21 PM
Good going Abbas! Both look solid performers, especially in the right hands ;)

02-03-2009, 10:46 PM
...and for gun illiterate person like me, can you tag the pieces with names please?

02-03-2009, 11:05 PM
Abbas bhai congrats on new purchases will be waiting for your next trip to khi lol.

03-03-2009, 12:03 AM
Abbas Congrats for the Pistols really Nz-85 looks heavy built...waiting for u karachi trip :D

9mm Luger
03-03-2009, 08:09 PM
Nice buys! Congrats...Abbas

03-03-2009, 08:25 PM
Thanks guys. Itching to take them out for a spin.. :cool:

03-03-2009, 08:45 PM
nice photos:)

07-03-2009, 05:16 PM
Tried ABBAS's NORINCO NZ 85 today & I will agree with him all the way

07-03-2009, 07:13 PM
Did a full range test of both the Kanuni S and the Norinco NZ 85. Here are pictures of the Bull at 15 M (50 feet).

NZ 85: 18/30 in Black


Kanuni S 11/30 in Black


Here are both with a total of 35 rounds. Kanuni was rapid fired 20 rounds and the NZ was fired for 15.


The bulls should pretty much explain everything. Same shooter, same ammo, same conditions. The NZ was much more accurate even though the Kanuni was a more comfortable pistol to fire. I was firing both for the first time so I was equally new to both of them.

07-03-2009, 07:20 PM
I've been thinking about making PakGuns video's but didn't have the time to get around to it.

There was some talk going around about the Kanuni S not being reailable and having FTF & FTE issues. The video below was made after I had fired about a 100 rounds though the pistol and it was messy as hell (WAH ammo) still fired perfect.

It was a 20 round mag.


07-03-2009, 07:28 PM
nice saw the video.. good..

07-03-2009, 07:35 PM
So would you be recommending it for 40k price range buy ? over Norinco offerings ?

07-03-2009, 07:50 PM
The only Norinco pistol which is a little better than the Kanuni S is the NZ85B and that too because it is a exact clone of the CZ 85 in all departments except the finish. The most important thing is it's as accurate as the CZ.

Apart from that no Norinco pistol stands up to the Kanuni S specially in the finish and the comfort of firing department. If I wanted to keep just one pistol, I would get the Kanuni S.

Btw bad bull scores for me today :(

07-03-2009, 08:10 PM
Nice video Abbas, I like the PakGuns ad in the bottom left of the screen! Also the safety check you did after shooting to make sure the gun was empty.

Ali Akbar
07-03-2009, 08:30 PM
good video abbas bhai

07-03-2009, 08:56 PM
Abbas,NZ-85B is not the exact copy of CZ-85B.bcoz CZ-85B has ambi slide release.

15-03-2009, 02:45 PM
Target at 15 M for yesterday (NZ 85): 17/20


15-03-2009, 02:46 PM
I love the NZ.. Very accurate. Might just go for the real CZ at a later date.

15-03-2009, 02:47 PM
Thats pretty good. If it were a real situations you have all you shots well placed on center mass.

15-03-2009, 04:31 PM
Norinco rules.u have to agree Abbas.lol

16-03-2009, 03:28 AM
I can count 19/20 with a total score of 151/200

16-03-2009, 03:59 AM
Thanks, I've decided to make the NZ 85 and the PT 99 my range pistols as both are equally accurate.

What is the average combat distance for Handguns ? i.e the distance at which they are commonly used ? Also what is a good average score ?

16-03-2009, 04:05 AM
Iam not too sure but I think 7 to 10 meters should be the average distance.
Hope to see 200/200 score nxt time.I normally shooot at 10 m.

16-03-2009, 07:58 PM
Whats is a good score for 20 rds ?

16-03-2009, 08:07 PM
Average self defense shooting distance are generally with in 5-7 yards.

17-03-2009, 09:30 AM
Hi Abbas, can you let me know which one of these hand guns has a decocker? And do you think a Kanuni S would have a good re sale value compared to the NZ 85?
And which hand gun are you enjoying more: the Turkish or Chinese?

17-03-2009, 09:34 AM
Norinco this model NZ-85B is a very accurate and robustly made pistol.i have this same pistol.i will prefer it in Kanuni S anyday of the week.it is all forged steel constructed with chrome lined barrel.

17-03-2009, 10:32 AM
Abbas Bhai, you mean a brand new Kanuni for 31000? Where and do they have more of these at this rate?

17-03-2009, 12:31 PM
Whats is a good score for 20 rds ?
At what distance?AT 10 m 200 shouldnt be a problem.

17-03-2009, 01:00 PM
@Adda The Kanuni has a decocker, the NZ does not. It instead has a safety that can be used for cocked and locked (never recommended). The NZ is a more accurate pistol than the Kanuni, not to say that the Kanuni is bad in anyway but the NZ is great. Also the NZ has a much better resale than the Kanuni.

@Ak47 I bought mine from Phantom here at the forum as he wanted to buy a PT 99. He had used it for around 4 mags.

17-03-2009, 04:15 PM
Whats is a good score for 20 rds ?
At what distance?AT 10 m 200 shouldnt be a problem.
Sorry i didnt mention it. At 15m what is a good score ? And What is the diameter of bullseye in inches. Thanks

17-03-2009, 04:18 PM
I think anything over 150 is a good score at 15m. The diameter of the bullseye is approx 1 inch on all sides from the center.

21-03-2009, 01:04 PM
Abbas, I just saw ur very 1st pics of the targets of both of ur pistols & I think ur Kanuni did a better job than the other one because the pattern seems pretty tight by it. Dont u think so?

21-03-2009, 01:10 PM
I did a few more Kanuni vs NZ trails and the NZ came out a clear winner.. I wish I had kept those bulls to paste here. The Kanuni needs more getting used to for the shooter to become accurate perhaps 300 rounds. The NZ is good 50 rounds plus.

However both are equally good once you get your eye set on them.

27-03-2009, 12:08 PM

Please guide me to get a Kanuni for 31K as you purchased. Address / cell no of dealer. Thanks in advance

27-03-2009, 12:22 PM
I purchased it from Handsome_Phantom for 31k as it was slightly used but in mint condition. The new one is around 38-40 in the market. I think Orient is carrying it.

27-09-2009, 01:29 AM
Just updating this thread to add target shooting from the NZ85 at 10 and 15 Meters. My suggestion: If you find this pistol anywhere New in box, buy it without giving it a second thought.



Since I have sold mine I would appreciate if someone could tell me where I could find a new one.

27-09-2009, 02:50 AM
Well Mr.Abbas this is great pleasure to see your fantastic gun show :cool: accept whole heartly Mubarak bad,beautiful guns
but for your new purchase I must say that Kanuni looks very
wonderful and so impressive when it is in home(Box) out of that
it seem slightly less & NZ85 feels more well build and strong as I
have heared and read too that NZ 85 is completely steel framed
please tell us that is my impression is true or not, thanks

28-09-2009, 10:56 AM
Abbas bhai, had there been a bad guy in your cross hairs, he certainly would have got DEAD :cool:

28-09-2009, 01:23 PM
@Sensei Thanks. The NZ is completely built of steel, and very robus, the weight also lends stability and reduces the recoil for a quicker more accurate second and third shot. I was shooting rapid at 2 shots per second and still hitting inside the circle. The problem that most pistols face where longevity is concerend is the barrel, I think the NZ will last atleast 10 k if maintained however the Kanuni is built better and should last 25 K +. This is usually a moot point as most users will never fire more than 5000 rounds of their handgun in their entire lives.

If maintained Guns never spoil or grow old or useless, we just get tired of looking at them and find excuses to buy new ones.

@Airgunner http://www.postimage.org/templates/images/smiley/film/21.gif (http://www.postimage.org/)

28-09-2009, 02:51 PM
Well said Abbas,
I tend to agree with you on Kanuni's performance. Its a nicely built tough gun. A friend has Kanuni S and we have tried it many times. It works beautifully on all types of ammo. I must say specially the local ones! and has an accuracy which can be compared to any european or american top class gun.

Enigmatic Desires
29-09-2009, 03:23 AM
Pity no 1 thought of adding rails to the Kanuni

Silent killerr
13-10-2009, 06:23 PM
nice shoot