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SPAYPANTHER
13-04-2010, 06:42 PM
There are different threads about 9mm ,.45 and revolvers in pakguns as we all like these calibers...
But some of us also like .30.

So for those .30 lovers I am going to start a thread where you can share your .30 pics as well as your experience with this caliber.

Regards

SPAYPANTHER
13-04-2010, 06:44 PM
http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/5481/dscf1099y.jpg

SPAYPANTHER
13-04-2010, 06:48 PM
http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/503/27092009039.jpg


My mouser it is very accurate and durable…

And one best thing in it, its killing range is osam…

SPAYPANTHER
13-04-2010, 06:50 PM
My favorite WINAMAX .30

http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/1858/winamax1.jpg
http://img532.imageshack.us/img532/5533/winamax.jpg

SPAYPANTHER
13-04-2010, 06:52 PM
That is shop made 16shot, having very soft grips

http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/7798/12042010042.jpg

SPAYPANTHER
13-04-2010, 06:53 PM
it is norinco one...

http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/3932/12042010043.jpg

SPAYPANTHER
13-04-2010, 06:55 PM
MADE BY KHYBER ARMS...

http://img690.imageshack.us/img690/9746/12042010044.jpg

SPAYPANTHER
13-04-2010, 06:57 PM
http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/4584/12042010040.jpg

Denovo87
13-04-2010, 06:59 PM
Lovely collection of .30 SP bro.... it will sound sexier if you change the thread name to "Thrilling 30" :)

SPAYPANTHER
13-04-2010, 06:59 PM
http://img180.imageshack.us/img180/1266/12042010041.jpg

SPAYPANTHER
13-04-2010, 07:04 PM
Lovely collection of .30 SP bro.... it will sound sexier if you change the thread name to "Thrilling 30" :)


thenks alot DENO BHAYA :D

(ABOUT NAME) why not bro but how can...??? trying to do that but not working...

Nabeel
13-04-2010, 07:27 PM
Nice collection Spay :o

Salahuddin Ayubi
13-04-2010, 07:42 PM
Lovely collection brother and a good initiative.

And beautiful photography. Bravo

I've changed your thread's title as you guys wanted.

takenleader
13-04-2010, 07:43 PM
asak

Mr spaypanther nice collection . I am a big fan of .30 and often refer to it as a poor mans desert eagle lol . I am just curious that i am planning to get the np 17 ( wide grips with thumb rest ) for my winamax tt but what i have heard is that they are i bit loose and do move around when u hold the gun . Is that right your experiance else i have to gp after 1911 grips . Thay do fit but with a bit of work

regards

Salahuddin Ayubi
13-04-2010, 07:43 PM
My mouser it is very accurate and durable…

And one best thing in it, its killing range is osam…

Brother Osam better stay away from this thread.

takenleader
13-04-2010, 07:51 PM
asak

sorry mates but i have to reguster this . 5 days ago i saw a Desi .30 double stack 14 shot tt just resembling the zigana . It even had the the barrel compensating holes on it . The fininsh ( exterior ) was good or rather very good but didnt get a chance to bang the hell out of it . BUt i would say very innovative thinking . It was at ali armoury luck star

Aquarius
13-04-2010, 08:38 PM
Very nice collection of TTs brother SPAYPANTHER....thanks for sharing........ :)

Aquarius
13-04-2010, 08:46 PM
I have also got one poor man's Desert Eagle


http://s4.postimage.org/87jFS.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=aV87jFS)

http://s4.postimage.org/87tEr.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=aV87tEr)

http://s4.postimage.org/87w8A.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=aV87w8A)

Faheem
13-04-2010, 08:55 PM
Spaypanther brother nice collection of Tees bore.... specially new grips are looking very decent look....

Omkhan
13-04-2010, 09:05 PM
LOL @SA. Rightly pointed out. Osam needs to be very careful.

Glockcohlic
13-04-2010, 09:07 PM
SPAYPANTHER good Thread and nice collection of 30eees. "7.62" one of my favroit calibers.

Faisji
13-04-2010, 09:25 PM
I have also got one poor man's Desert Eagle




LOL
Here's mine


http://s1.postimage.org/DdUSi.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gxDdUSi)

Aquarius
13-04-2010, 09:27 PM
Very nice Faisji bro.. you have got the best one... :)

Faisji
13-04-2010, 09:32 PM
Very nice Faisji bro.. you have got the best one... :)

It fits the job description quite nicely makes big sound and small destructive holes.My current CC.

Denovo87
13-04-2010, 09:40 PM
Nice eagles Aquarius & Faisji bros :) this .30 round is one sweet & beautiful thing.

Aquarius
13-04-2010, 10:24 PM
Thanks Denovo Sir for your appreciation....... :)

Ilyas
13-04-2010, 10:26 PM
And here's my Desert Eagle... :) Sorry for the poor quality pic, coz I had to use my phone camera.

http://s2.postimage.org/yx8Nr.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=Tsyx8Nr)


http://s4.postimage.org/8ppA9.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=aV8ppA9)

Aquarius
13-04-2010, 10:45 PM
Ilyas bro nice gun indeed. Is it a special model because the usual ones are without manual safety.

Ilyas
13-04-2010, 11:24 PM
@Aquarius...Thanks for liking it Bro :) It's approx 20yrs old.

Maximus
13-04-2010, 11:43 PM
Good thread started. classic pieces which are really user friendly in use :) and resilient as they come
...well except for the classic disassembly and the spring projectile that makes it ever so enjoyable to reassemble.

SPAYPANTHER
13-04-2010, 11:46 PM
asak

Mr spaypanther nice collection . I am a big fan of .30 and often refer to it as a poor mans desert eagle lol . I am just curious that i am planning to get the np 17 ( wide grips with thumb rest ) for my winamax tt but what i have heard is that they are i bit loose and do move around when u hold the gun . Is that right your experiance else i have to gp after 1911 grips . Thay do fit but with a bit of work

regards

Bro what was the asking price for that beauty…

SPAYPANTHER
13-04-2010, 11:52 PM
asak

Mr spaypanther nice collection . I am a big fan of .30 and often refer to it as a poor mans desert eagle lol . I am just curious that i am planning to get the np 17 ( wide grips with thumb rest ) for my winamax tt but what i have heard is that they are i bit loose and do move around when u hold the gun . Is that right your experiance else i have to gp after 1911 grips . Thay do fit but with a bit of work

regards


Haa boss get these NP17 grips, nothing is wrong with them they are good and give batter grips for target shooting …
But one disadvantage of it is in counseled carry as they are some what bulky then normal TT grips…

SPAYPANTHER
13-04-2010, 11:56 PM
@ faisji

bro do you feel comfort when carrying your zestava .30 as I sold my because it appears a lot when I try to counseled it

SPAYPANTHER
13-04-2010, 11:57 PM
It's approx 20yrs old.

bro where it belong...? I guess it is rusion one…! Or made as rusion , like we have made as china by norinco:)

Gilani
13-04-2010, 11:58 PM
Nice thread Spaypanther. I could have also added a couple of pics but I disposed off both my TTs a few weeks back that had served me well for over a decade :(

Faisji
13-04-2010, 11:59 PM
@ faisji

bro do you feel comfort when carrying your zestava .30 as I sold my because it appears a lot when I try to counseled it


Worn in cross-draw or at my side 5 O'clock it is fairly well concealed by a loose t-shirt or If needed i put on a button up shirt that hides it well enough.

SPAYPANTHER
14-04-2010, 12:06 AM
Nice thread Spaypanther. I could have also added a couple of pics but I disposed off both my TTs a few weeks back that had served me well for over a decade :(

why disposed http://www.clicksmilies.com/s1106/traurig/sad-smiley-023.gif

Maximus
14-04-2010, 12:21 AM
SP bro looks really concerned. :|
btw very nice collection indeed as well as Faisji, Aquarius & Ilyas bros.

looks like once someone joins the cafe....its frowned upon on retiring from it.
the .30 has found a new owner and probably a new case. :D

HafizAhmed
14-04-2010, 12:36 AM
Salamz lads , cool guns , saw some of these in the hands of IRA guys once , must pack a hell of a punch , anybody know how much a chinese version of this cost or perhaps a russian one , i saw a few pakistani made ones with made by norinco china written on them , how can you tell if TT is real or not ? Anyone ?

Usama
14-04-2010, 12:54 AM
Nice Thread SPAY..
probably your best thread..

Vik
14-04-2010, 05:24 AM
Salamz lads , cool guns , saw some of these in the hands of IRA guys once , must pack a hell of a punch , anybody know how much a chinese version of this cost or perhaps a russian one , i saw a few pakistani made ones with made by norinco china written on them , how can you tell if TT is real or not ? Anyone ?

Lad, please use the search engine.Kindly, don't derail the thread.

Vik
14-04-2010, 05:26 AM
SP Bhi
Nice pics. Did you post these pics or mentioned the collection in previous thread.

Ilyas
14-04-2010, 02:06 PM
It's approx 20yrs old.

bro where it belong...? I guess it is rusion one…! Or made as rusion , like we have made as china by norinco:)

No Bro, it's neither Russian nor the 'made as china by norinco' one. It's original and those who have known TTs for long enough, will recognise this box :)

http://s2.postimage.org/Ad0Dr.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=TsAd0Dr)

Naveed_pk
14-04-2010, 02:32 PM
My Little Collection Joining the Club :)

Winamax China
http://i1012.photobucket.com/albums/af248/naveed_pk/30bore3.jpg
http://i1012.photobucket.com/albums/af248/naveed_pk/winamex1.jpg
http://i1012.photobucket.com/albums/af248/naveed_pk/winamex3.jpg

Local
http://i1012.photobucket.com/albums/af248/naveed_pk/local2.jpg

Naveed_pk
14-04-2010, 02:35 PM
It's approx 20yrs old.

bro where it belong...? I guess it is rusion one…! Or made as rusion , like we have made as china by norinco:)

No Bro, it's neither Russian nor the 'made as china by norinco' one. It's original and those who have known TTs for long enough, will recognise this box :)

http://s2.postimage.org/Ad0Dr.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=TsAd0Dr)

Yes Ilyas Bhai .. I recognize this box .. Same as mine bought from Baksh Ellahi @ 28 k .. Now current prize 40K :)

ay_be_why
14-04-2010, 02:43 PM
Nice collection spaypanther. The last 2 pics are BEAUTIFUL. Great pieces everyone.
@Ilyas, sir the box says ToGarev.. What is it actually, ToKarev or ToGarev? :)

Salahuddin Ayubi
14-04-2010, 02:44 PM
Here's something from my side:

http://s4.postimage.org/ae999.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=aVae999)

http://s1.postimage.org/Fq2AJ.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gxFq2AJ)

Naveed_pk
14-04-2010, 02:45 PM
@Ay be Why its Tokarev :)

Oasis
14-04-2010, 02:47 PM
AOA ..

Brother @SP very nice collection and also cooool thread. :D

Thx.

msm
14-04-2010, 05:18 PM
http://s1.postimage.org/FG9MS.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gxFG9MS)

Faheem
14-04-2010, 09:23 PM
Naveed_pk and Salahuddin bhai very "Dabung" TT's and photography is also impressive :)

Faheem
14-04-2010, 09:26 PM
http://s1.postimage.org/FG9MS.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gxFG9MS)

msm brother pleae put some caption on your picture.... is this your TT ?

Faheem
14-04-2010, 09:55 PM
Here is some thing ugly from my little collection

http://s1.postimage.org/Gyon9.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gxGyon9)

http://s1.postimage.org/GyqSi.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gxGyqSi)

http://s1.postimage.org/Gytmr.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gxGytmr)

http://s1.postimage.org/GyvRA.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gxGyvRA)

http://s1.postimage.org/GyylJ.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gxGyylJ)

http://s1.postimage.org/GyAQS.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gxGyAQS)

http://s1.postimage.org/GyDl0.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gxGyDl0)

http://s1.postimage.org/GyFQ9.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gxGyFQ9)

Mangloo Ramzani
14-04-2010, 10:26 PM
Here is some thing ugly from my little collection



Fahhem Bro, you're being modest ... let mine come back from the gunsmith then I'll show what UGLY really is!! :D

Denovo87
14-04-2010, 10:31 PM
Very beautifuly UGLY, Faheem bro :)

Mangloo Ramzani
14-04-2010, 10:33 PM
Salamz lads , cool guns , saw some of these in the hands of IRA guys once , must pack a hell of a punch , anybody know how much a chinese version of this cost or perhaps a russian one , i saw a few pakistani made ones with made by norinco china written on them , how can you tell if TT is real or not ? Anyone ?

Lad, please use the search engine.Kindly, don't derail the thread.

Vik bro, I think HafizAhmed has a very valid question in his post. I think members of Cafe Tees Bore should guide others as well, on how can an original 30 be distinguished from a local one??

I've seen some distinguishing features in the Trigger Assembly of TT30s. Mine is a local one, but if someone can post an image of the Trigger assembly of an original one, I can point the specific feature out, along with a pic of my guns trigger assembly, for easy comparison! :)

Regards.

Glockcohlic
14-04-2010, 11:04 PM
Faheem,

Very nice bhai. Big bang of the 30 and nice photos as well. :)

Glockcohlic
14-04-2010, 11:18 PM
Here is my entry in to the Cafe: :)

http://s4.postimage.org/btWSr.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=aVbtWSr)

http://s2.postimage.org/BzaWJ.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=TsBzaWJ)

Faheem
14-04-2010, 11:26 PM
Mangloo Ramzani
Denovo87
Glockcohlic

Brothers thank yo so much for liking my Ugly Teees Bore :D

Glockcohlic brother very nice serbian piece thats really impressive .......

Faheem
14-04-2010, 11:28 PM
Here I am adding some Darra special ...........
http://s2.postimage.org/BA5j0.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=TsBA5j0)


http://s1.postimage.org/GZm0r.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gxGZm0r)

Ilyas
14-04-2010, 11:37 PM
@ay_be_why... Bro, it's ToKarev, but anyone still having a box more than 20yrs old, will see it
written as ToGarev... probably because of the Chinese English, which has improved over the decades :)
This pistol was bought in 1988-89... anyone who has a similar piece along with the box, should plz check
and share.

ACHILLES
14-04-2010, 11:39 PM
salam ilyas bhai

Ilyas
14-04-2010, 11:46 PM
Waalaikum Assalam Rora! How's life in Bannu?? When are you intending to visit Peshawar? Don't forget
to give me a call, when you're here :)

wasifali89
14-04-2010, 11:46 PM
im waiting for mine to come and then id post in mine as well
got 2 of them

BulletHog
15-04-2010, 12:55 AM
i think the immediately distinguishing feature of original pistols is the slide pull...u fell a slight jerk midway (although some good quality pieces can imitate that...but those are really really good quality ones)...next is the slide markings and serial numbers...i used to own one a few yrs back with 11 in an oval on the slide top...that showed that it came from some arsenal in poland...(cant remember other markings)...serial numbers are usually a combination of alphabets and numerals while the local ones are engraved with numerals only (usually)...another thing is the recoil spring...those who have suffered the agony would know how challenging this little sun of a gun could become at the time of reassembling after a cleaning session, whereas the genuine is not that infuriating...last but not the least is the overall feel and finish...i once happened to handled a desi made pistol and it gave my thumbs an odd itch which felt like a fire from within the skin and would not go away no matter how much i scratched [sounds odd but dont know why]... anyway i ve parted with the gun and live happily:)

Mangloo Ramzani
15-04-2010, 12:56 AM
Here is my entry in to the Cafe: :)

http://s4.postimage.org/btWSr.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=aVbtWSr)



Sir Glockcohlic, I love ur studio!! (and stands) :D :D



P.S. I hope I got ur name right this time!

Mangloo Ramzani
15-04-2010, 01:09 AM
@ BulletHog:

Sir you're right! The overall finish and the markings always gives away a local one ... specially the ones with the markings punched on them (and those too, unevenly!) ... but nowadays local manufacturers are producing pieces very clean and beautiful on the outside with flawless markings !! But a novice buyer, buying from unknown (unreliable) dealer, needs to be pointed in the right direction!

The thing I was referring to in my post is the most difficult to imitate by local manufacturers ... just waiting for a member to post a pic of the said assembly and I will point at out, alongwith a pic of my Darra made (UGLY) piece! :D

SPAYPANTHER
15-04-2010, 01:47 AM
@naved_pk

Bro your local have a good finish…
Is it shop made or a company made???

or winamax to phir winamax he ha....http://www.clicksmilies.com/s1106/grinser/grinning-smiley-003.gif

SPAYPANTHER
15-04-2010, 01:55 AM
@ manglo

vik is right we have discus it in detail that how can we judge that which one is local and which one is china made… just need to search a old thread…

Aquarius
15-04-2010, 02:54 AM
@Naveed, SA, msm, Faheem, Glockcohlic:Broters very nice collection... :)

Faheem
15-04-2010, 07:09 AM
Aquarius brother thank you so much for liking our Tees bores....

SPAYPANTHER
15-04-2010, 12:24 PM
@ fahem bro which finish your ugly have...

Naveed_pk
15-04-2010, 12:41 PM
@naved_pk

Bro your local have a good finish…
Is it shop made or a company made???

or winamax to phir winamax he ha....http://www.clicksmilies.com/s1106/grinser/grinning-smiley-003.gif

Thanks Spaypanther :) ... Local one is Afridi arms made

hawkseye
15-04-2010, 04:59 PM
nice....

Waqas
15-04-2010, 06:59 PM
my .30 bore collection time to time....
http://s4.postimage.org/e2DIS.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=aVe2DIS)

http://s4.postimage.org/e2II9.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=aVe2II9)

http://s4.postimage.org/e2Lci.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=aVe2Lci)

http://s4.postimage.org/e2NHr.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=aVe2NHr)

Aquarius
15-04-2010, 07:14 PM
@Waqas:Very nice collection bro...is the last one local made.? :)

guns for me
15-04-2010, 07:42 PM
Aquarius you are right, yes last one is local made.

Rotorcrafts
15-04-2010, 07:55 PM
Here is some thing ugly from my little collection

http://s1.postimage.org/Gyon9.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gxGyon9)

http://s1.postimage.org/GyqSi.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gxGyqSi)

http://s1.postimage.org/Gytmr.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gxGytmr)

http://s1.postimage.org/GyvRA.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gxGyvRA)

http://s1.postimage.org/GyylJ.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gxGyylJ)

http://s1.postimage.org/GyAQS.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gxGyAQS)

http://s1.postimage.org/GyDl0.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gxGyDl0)

http://s1.postimage.org/GyFQ9.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gxGyFQ9)


If yours is ugly mine must be hideous.....!!!!! :o :lol:

http://i605.photobucket.com/albums/tt131/rotorcrafts/KIF_3811.jpg

http://i605.photobucket.com/albums/tt131/rotorcrafts/KIF_3812.jpg

http://i605.photobucket.com/albums/tt131/rotorcrafts/KIF_3813.jpg

http://i605.photobucket.com/albums/tt131/rotorcrafts/KIF_3814.jpg

http://i605.photobucket.com/albums/tt131/rotorcrafts/KIF_3815.jpg

http://i605.photobucket.com/albums/tt131/rotorcrafts/KIF_3816.jpg

http://i605.photobucket.com/albums/tt131/rotorcrafts/KIF_3817.jpg

http://i605.photobucket.com/albums/tt131/rotorcrafts/KIF_3818.jpg

http://i605.photobucket.com/albums/tt131/rotorcrafts/KIF_3819.jpg

http://i605.photobucket.com/albums/tt131/rotorcrafts/KIF_3820.jpg

http://i605.photobucket.com/albums/tt131/rotorcrafts/KIF_3810.jpg

Salaam to all "Tees Mar khans" :P

Faheem
15-04-2010, 08:18 PM
Bahi Waqas good tees bore yar..... specialy last one is looking very attractive....

Faheem
15-04-2010, 08:23 PM
Rotorcrafts bahi its really hideous you should be sell out this piece... So wehenever you wanna sell it, so just call me ;)

Denovo87
15-04-2010, 08:23 PM
Now thats what I was waiting for, great ugly Rotorcrafts bro :)

SPAYPANTHER
15-04-2010, 10:05 PM
@ rotor

wa salam phane kahan!!! :)

SPAYPANTHER
15-04-2010, 10:12 PM
http://s4.postimage.org/e2NHr.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=aVe2NHr)


Once I own a same piece but its front part which remove first when you disassemble it (don’t know what should its name) break when it droop from my hand…

msm
15-04-2010, 10:18 PM
http://s1.postimage.org/FG9MS.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gxFG9MS)

msm brother pleae put some caption on your picture.... is this your TT ?

sorry for missing caption

yes its mine

msm
15-04-2010, 10:22 PM
some more views of my .30

http://s4.postimage.org/ezl1S.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=aVezl1S)

http://s4.postimage.org/eznx0.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=aVeznx0)
http://s3.postimage.org/sOvnr.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=PqsOvnr)

Mangloo Ramzani
15-04-2010, 11:57 PM
I was waiting when Rotorcrafts will post pics of his hideous one!! ;)

Ilyas
16-04-2010, 12:18 AM
@Rotorcrafts... Bro I'm still waiting for your reply, hope you remember ;)

Ka_Khan
16-04-2010, 12:27 AM
Rotorcraft very nice piece.
Seems house is full of 'tees bores'..

Waqas
16-04-2010, 12:31 AM
@aquarious! yes it is local made . it is called mp5 pistol

Aquarius
16-04-2010, 01:04 AM
@aquarious! yes it is local made . it is called mp5 pistol

Here are few more local made thees bore Semi Autos.


http://s1.postimage.org/L31LA.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gxL31LA)

http://s1.postimage.org/L3jdA.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gxL3jdA)

Are'nt they looking gorgeous......... :)

Ka_Khan
16-04-2010, 01:36 AM
hmmmm...... Aquarius??? Frontier Arms....I am sure their Auto system is disabled otherwise :rolleyes: Nice collection by the way ;)

Faheem
16-04-2010, 07:08 AM
Aquarius brother Mashallah its really "Tabha kun" collection.....................

Usama
16-04-2010, 11:42 AM
@aquarious! yes it is local made . it is called mp5 pistol

Here are few more local made thees bore Semi Autos.


http://s1.postimage.org/L31LA.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gxL31LA)

http://s1.postimage.org/L3jdA.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gxL3jdA)

Are'nt they looking gorgeous......... :)

WoW..if they work flawlessly then still i have 2 books Empty ... :rolleyes:

Faisji
16-04-2010, 12:37 PM
I wont mind having the AKSU replica

Faisji
16-04-2010, 12:39 PM
http://i605.photobucket.com/albums/tt131/rotorcrafts/KIF_3810.jpg

Salaam to all "Tees Mar khans" :P

That one gorgeous piece

Rotorcrafts
16-04-2010, 02:03 PM
@faheem
@Denovo
@Ka_Khan
@Faisji
@SPAYPANTHER

Thanks to all of you for your appreciation.
@Ilyas

Sir sir sir........... I answered your query right away. Please check the last post of the following thread.

http://www.pakguns.com/forum/viewtopic.php?id=788&p=3

@Mangloo Ramzani

This monstrosity could not have been created without your help :)

SPAYPANTHER
16-04-2010, 02:24 PM
@aquarious! yes it is local made . it is called mp5 pistol

Here are few more local made thees bore Semi Autos.


http://s1.postimage.org/L31LA.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gxL31LA)

http://s1.postimage.org/L3jdA.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gxL3jdA)

Are'nt they looking gorgeous......... :)

BRO WHICH ONE IS BEST OUT OF THESE ALL

Ilyas
16-04-2010, 03:42 PM
@Rotorcrafts.... Thanks Bro! I had missed that post... and no doubt our uncle jee has done a great job :)

Aquarius
16-04-2010, 09:23 PM
@aquarious! yes it is local made . it is called mp5 pistol

Here are few more local made thees bore Semi Autos.


http://s1.postimage.org/L31LA.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gxL31LA)

http://s1.postimage.org/L3jdA.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gxL3jdA)

Are'nt they looking gorgeous......... :)

BRO WHICH ONE IS BEST OUT OF THESE ALL

The M16 design is best in performance........

Aquarius
16-04-2010, 09:43 PM
@Ka_Khan & Faheem: Brothers :D these are not included in my collection. I took these picture during a visit to a factory (as mentioned by Ka_Khan)..they have both versions available, but all these in the picture are Semi Autos thees bore... :)

@Usama: Bro these are locals and will definately have flaws in them, but the shorter M16 design as well as the Uzi shaped are the best among them performance wise, as I have tried all of them... :)

Faheem
16-04-2010, 10:36 PM
Aquarius brother this is not fair.

http://s1.postimage.org/Nxbp0.gif (http://www.postimage.org/)


well Uzi shape tees bore is close to original uzi otherwise its my personal opinion that there is a huge difference in looks of Original M16 and Local M16 shape 30 bore.

Mangloo Ramzani
16-04-2010, 11:29 PM
@ Faheem:
I think Aquarius was talking bout Uzi and M16 Performance wise, not shape or looks wise! :)

Aquarius
16-04-2010, 11:45 PM
@ Faheem:
I think Aquarius was talking bout Uzi and M16 Performance wise, not shape or looks wise! :)

Haha :lol: you are rite... ;)

Faheem
16-04-2010, 11:47 PM
But brother I am not arguing against Aquarius brother he knows better than me about these Tees bore. I am just explaining my view after watching the pictures.........

Faheem
16-04-2010, 11:51 PM
Aquarius brother this is not fair. ( I wrote this because I didn;t know that its not in collection of Aquarius brother)

http://s1.postimage.org/Nxbp0.gif (http://www.postimage.org/)


well Uzi shape tees bore is close to original uzi otherwise its my personal opinion that there is a huge difference in looks of Original M16 and Local M16 shape 30 bore.

Ahhh welll its my mistake Sorry Aquarius brother ........

Aquarius
17-04-2010, 12:01 AM
http://s1.postimage.org/L3jdA.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gxL3jdA)

@Faheem: Brother you can see in the picture the one which is lying..We can call it smaller M16 thees bore...is'nt it.. :lol:

Faheem
17-04-2010, 12:21 AM
ok brother its look like a smaller M16.... :)

http://s2.postimage.org/HtI5S.gif (http://www.postimage.org/)

AK47
17-04-2010, 12:41 AM
@Aquarius bro.........which factory is producing this "mini-M-16", semi-auto, or which dealer in Peshawar is offering it and at what prices, plz?

Furthermore, you mention you've tried it out by yourself, how many fires, without any flaws? Thanks. :)

Aquarius
17-04-2010, 01:02 AM
Ak47 Bro as mentioned by KK bro, these are manufactured at Frontier arms Company. They supply this stuff to different dealers in Peshawar as well as other Cities.. All these are for approximately 15 to 20K...does'nt worth it..I tried (one or two magazine) from each. performancewise this mini M16 is better than the rest with Uzi shaped second...the rest are just junk... :(

Ilyas
17-04-2010, 01:04 AM
Whether Mini M16, AKSU74, mini uzi or whatever the design is... in my humble opinion these usually are as good as crap. I won't recommend these to any Pakgunner coz these are not designed & manufactured with quality n safety in mind and God forbid, might cause some accident. For those who don't have any other choice except local weapons, I would only recommend the clones of TT and 92FS coz these have been extensively made and local gunsmiths have acquired better understanding of the design n materials.
Just sharing my concern about the safety of members and not with the intention to hurt those who own these.

AK47
17-04-2010, 01:13 AM
Thanks Aquarius and Ilyas bro, indeed I too have never favored any local item as well and such things cannot be entrusted one's life on. Yet, what attracted me about the "mini-M-16" was actually the telescopic "butt", heck if you ask for the prices of these items alone, they amount to +15K, wonder if these butts are local too, they must be for sure?

Faheem
17-04-2010, 06:48 AM
AK47 brother these type of 30 bores are also available in karachi (lucky star market) in 17 k to 28 k, but our dealers and gunsmiths never recomend it....

uzairahmed154
17-04-2010, 11:49 AM
http://s1.postimage.org/OVQRi.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gxOVQRi)


http://s4.postimage.org/igP6i.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=aVigP6i)

this is my brother's chinese 636 ,,

Aquarius
17-04-2010, 12:12 PM
Welcome to the forum uzair brother...I liked the way you intered.
BTW your brother has a nice piece...thanks for sharing :)

Rotorcrafts
17-04-2010, 12:36 PM
Thanks Aquarius and Ilyas bro, indeed I too have never favored any local item as well and such things cannot be entrusted one's life on. Yet, what attracted me about the "mini-M-16" was actually the telescopic "butt", heck if you ask for the prices of these items alone, they amount to +15K, wonder if these butts are local too, they must be for sure?


I see that the "Butt" problem is still at hand. :( , I will try my best to import these form China as soon as some funds are allocated, Also the boresights will be here by the end of this month InshAllah.

Ka_Khan
17-04-2010, 04:24 PM
This is one of my favourite....

Before 'Plastic surgery' ....
http://s1.postimage.org/PuLcS.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gxPuLcS)

After Engraving...
http://s1.postimage.org/PuQc9.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gxPuQc9)

Faheem
17-04-2010, 05:01 PM
Ka_khan brother its looking extreamily beautyful... is this your ?

Usama
17-04-2010, 06:31 PM
Kamran bhai nice engraving..!

I remember abbas bhai silver TT which was also to be engraved.?

AK47
17-04-2010, 11:19 PM
Thanks Aquarius and Ilyas bro, indeed I too have never favored any local item as well and such things cannot be entrusted one's life on. Yet, what attracted me about the "mini-M-16" was actually the telescopic "butt", heck if you ask for the prices of these items alone, they amount to +15K, wonder if these butts are local too, they must be for sure?


I see that the "Butt" problem is still at hand. :( , I will try my best to import these form China as soon as some funds are allocated, Also the boresights will be here by the end of this month InshAllah.

@Rotor.............hopefully not one of your "naughty" comments above! I hope you mean BOTH things above, and as regards funds, let me know the prices, advance can always be given to you, you know that, just for hecks sake SECURE delivery of both things!

Wishing you continued good luck, and also pass my regards to Senior Rotor Sir! :)

Ka_Khan
17-04-2010, 11:23 PM
Yes Faheem its mine.

Rotorcrafts
17-04-2010, 11:59 PM
@AK Wasalam from my dads side and thanx for your kind wishes. Actually learning from your experience i am considering tempting those guys with a bigger order. I will contact them soon and let you know what happens. In the mean while keep your fingers crossed :D

Mangloo Ramzani
18-04-2010, 12:47 AM
Here's my entry in the Cafe 'Tees Bore'! :cool:

http://s1.postimage.org/RqPei.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gxRqPei)

http://s3.postimage.org/yRZfS.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=PqyRZfS)

http://s4.postimage.org/kleqS.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=aVkleqS)

http://s3.postimage.org/ySddJ.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=PqySddJ)

http://s3.postimage.org/ySid0.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=PqySid0)

Faheem
18-04-2010, 06:37 AM
Mangloo Ramzani brothers its really looking impressive mashallah .. what about Make ?

Aquarius
18-04-2010, 11:35 AM
@Mangloo Ramzani: Brother very nice tees bore...please shed some light on the compensator & make.... :)

HammadArshad
18-04-2010, 11:43 AM
@Mangloo Ramzani Bro, very nice pistol you got there bro. Just SOME questions though, What about its color? I mean that you colored it yourself or what? Also share about its make.

It looks like a heavily customized piece, cause I have never ever seen any TT-33 type pistol like this in my life :) Do share us about its all customized parts, and of course its working. How does it fires, its recoil and the chamber indicator etc.

Thanks.

Aquarius
18-04-2010, 11:52 AM
This is one of my favourite....

Before 'Plastic surgery' ....
http://s1.postimage.org/PuLcS.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gxPuLcS)

After Engraving...
http://s1.postimage.org/PuQc9.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gxPuQc9)

Very nice piece Ka_Khan brother... thanks for sharing.. BTW where did you engraved it..? Looking gorgeous indeed. :cool:

SPAYPANTHER
18-04-2010, 12:33 PM
This is one of my favourite....

Before 'Plastic surgery' ....
http://s1.postimage.org/PuLcS.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gxPuLcS)

After Engraving...
http://s1.postimage.org/PuQc9.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gxPuQc9)

is it pakmade???

Ka_Khan
18-04-2010, 02:00 PM
@Spaypather...Pakmade.
@Aqurious...Engraver is in Small Industrial estate who engraves guns for Dawood sons guns which are exported.

Mangloo Ramzani
18-04-2010, 02:53 PM
@ Faheem: Sir its made in Darra

@ Aquarius: Sir make Darra. No compensator on my tees bore just a lot of slots for Mr. Dust to go in from (as one of my friends says)

@ HammadArshad: Sir its colour is Matt Steel finish (LOL @ colored it yourself ... I wonder who'd do that :| )
about its costomization and working, it works just fine, recently I had the Extractor replaced because it had worn out and was giving trouble. Other than that its fine, a bit light weight which is also responsible for just a little more recoil (the difference in recoil can be felt only by persons having used TT extensively).
As far as the so called chamber indicator is concerned, its mainly cosmetic ... as the only thing visible from that slot is the magazine hole. as is clear from the pic below:

http://s1.postimage.org/Tj2iS.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gxTj2iS)

The only time its useful is in the following scenario:

You are firing a full mag and suddenly you think that you've fired the complete bunch, but the slide has not locked in the rear position! At that time if you look into that slot and see a bullet you'll know there are more to fire! :D
But there is a drawback in this also ... if you dont see a bullet it can mean the magazine is empty OR there can still be a bullet left in the mag! :o

Confusing isnt it ... so the moral of the story is ... dont rely on this slot !!!

Salahuddin Ayubi
18-04-2010, 03:00 PM
Tees bore is from where it all begins for most gun enthusiasts and most enthusiast's inventories have at least one of these.

Spay, your Cafe is doing good. Congratulations.

BulletHog
18-04-2010, 03:30 PM
@mangloo

a very unique piece cuz all the darra produce that i ve came across is totally pos (some of them were even colored like shit ... sorry for being indecorous here) ... these darra ppl have a funny way to infuse their own r&d into otherwise good weapons ... but urs is definitely a unique one ... from the looks of it, it definitely has survived a good abuse ... nice one ...

Faheem
18-04-2010, 03:59 PM
Mangloo Ramzani brother actually the shape of your 30 bore pistol I have seen first time and its really change....

Normaly in local 30 bore GR mushtaq is common in market....

Usama
18-04-2010, 06:55 PM
@Mangloo Ramzani
the color looks good .. but the trigger part needs some color..

HafizAhmed
18-04-2010, 07:13 PM
Hey spay panther , that grip you have on that TT ? did that come with the gun or did you get it separate , Iv noticed one of the draw backs with the common TTs is that they dont fit in the hand properly like other pistols ,

Ahmad
18-04-2010, 07:51 PM
Mangloo pistol is a copy of cut away pistols which were made as training tools for Armorers.it shows all the internal of the gun. original guns have also cut on barrel which obviously can not fire but locals copies use complete barrel & hence they can fire
http://s1.postimage.org/U9EDi.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gxU9EDi)
this is a armorer training CZ 52, made on same principle
cheers

Mangloo Ramzani
18-04-2010, 08:27 PM
@mangloo

a very unique piece cuz all the darra produce that i ve came across is totally pos (some of them were even colored like shit ... sorry for being indecorous here) ... these darra ppl have a funny way to infuse their own r&d into otherwise good weapons ... but urs is definitely a unique one ... from the looks of it, it definitely has survived a good abuse ... nice one ...

Yups you're right! Darra R&D is quite visible in this piece! What they didnt thought of, was how to stop the LARGE amount of dust that accumulates inside because of these ports!
Thanks God it fires fine, and you're correct it has survived a good abuse! :D

Mangloo Ramzani
18-04-2010, 08:32 PM
@ Faheem:
Bro I'm not aware of the Local Brands like GR Mushtaq that you've mentioned. I just know it was bought from Darra a few years back ! ;)

@ Usama:
Nice catch on the trigger ... you're right, it does need some color. I think I'll have it blued in due time!

uzairahmed154
19-04-2010, 12:33 PM
thanx Aquarius :-)

Welcome to the forum uzair brother...I liked the way you intered.
BTW your brother has a nice piece...thanks for sharing :)

Aquarius
19-04-2010, 11:34 PM
@uzairahmad: Brother please update your location in the introduction section , so that our respectable membrs will guide you accordingly........ :)

BulletHog
20-04-2010, 01:28 PM
Can anyone here tell about the availability of CZ 52 in our markets...though its an old weapon but read a lot about its performance...

KageFox
20-04-2010, 01:56 PM
The CZ-52 was known to be able to fire hot loads, loads which were claimed to blow the Tokarev TT-33 apart...

Rotorcrafts
20-04-2010, 02:34 PM
Good to see you back Kage.

SPAYPANTHER
20-04-2010, 07:34 PM
Hey spay panther , that grip you have on that TT ? did that come with the gun or did you get it separate , Iv noticed one of the draw backs with the common TTs is that they dont fit in the hand properly like other pistols ,

TT ‘s grips are simple one, yes it doesn’t fit in some hands properly but at the same time it fit good in some hands… if you have small hands then it is good for you as compeer to other…

takenleader
21-04-2010, 02:13 AM
Asak

Wrong sir. The CZ 52 is weaker design as comapred to the tokarev. Searched on a no of forums . In fact that is he reason that the superior and strong tokarev clones are still coming out in large nos but no CZ 52 clones out their . The tokarev design and specially the old norcs are forged steel and their 9mm are being chambered for 9*23 mm ( i guess that is .357sig) and are very reliable firing this hot round

regards

BulletHog
21-04-2010, 12:56 PM
@TL
or may be the reason for non-cloning of CZ 52 is the relative complexity of the system compared to the TT...anyway you have a point

Faisji
21-04-2010, 02:36 PM
Asak

Wrong sir. The CZ 52 is weaker design as comapred to the tokarev. Searched on a no of forums . In fact that is he reason that the superior and strong tokarev clones are still coming out in large nos but no CZ 52 clones out their . The tokarev design and specially the old norcs are forged steel and their 9mm are being chambered for 9*23 mm ( i guess that is .357sig) and are very reliable firing this hot round

regards

9x23 is not .357 sig .

Gilani
21-04-2010, 05:35 PM
Asak

Wrong sir. The CZ 52 is weaker design as comapred to the tokarev. Searched on a no of forums . In fact that is he reason that the superior and strong tokarev clones are still coming out in large nos but no CZ 52 clones out their . The tokarev design and specially the old norcs are forged steel and their 9mm are being chambered for 9*23 mm ( i guess that is .357sig) and are very reliable firing this hot round

regards

9x23 is not .357 sig .
+1 Faisji sahib. .357 Sig is 9x22 mm. 9x23 mm Largo is a different round which was more commonly used in most post WW2 Spanish pistols.

Ahmad
21-04-2010, 06:46 PM
here is my entry to cafe, recently discussed, CZ52. bought in mid nineties & still going strong.

http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb176/mrnobody2008/Picture002.jpg

http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb176/mrnobody2008/Picture007.jpg

cheers

Faisji
21-04-2010, 06:59 PM
here is my entry to cafe, recently discussed, CZ52. bought in mid nineties & still going strong.

http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb176/mrnobody2008/Picture002.jpg

http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb176/mrnobody2008/Picture007.jpg

cheers

Hot ;)

Gilani
21-04-2010, 07:02 PM
Nice one Ahmad sahib :)

guns for me
21-04-2010, 07:08 PM
Nice pistol AHMAD bhai, but in little rough condition.

KageFox
21-04-2010, 07:40 PM
A gun to treasure, Mr Ahmad! :D

If you can, get some custom wood grips for it...

Mangloo Ramzani
21-04-2010, 08:04 PM
A gun to treasure, Mr Ahmad! :D

If you can, get some custom wood grips for it...

Mr. Ahmad, if you're interested, my 38's grips were changed by Rotorcrafts.

Check out the link below ;)
http://www.pakguns.com/forum/viewtopic.php?id=4135

Aquarius
21-04-2010, 08:51 PM
@Aqurious...Engraver is in Small Industrial estate who engraves guns for Dawood sons guns which are exported.

Is it possible to engrave my TT there..?

Aquarius
21-04-2010, 08:55 PM
@Ahmad: Brother very nice gun indeed........ :)

Ahmad
22-04-2010, 11:40 AM
@Gilani thanks Sir
@ KF thanks brother
@Ramzani thanks Sir
@Aquarius Thanks brother
grips are indeed custom made from walnut, i lost the original ten years back while shifting. it is quite difficult to make grips due to internal design.
cheers

Usama
22-04-2010, 12:15 PM
Ahmad nice gun.. :)

aside from grips you can it chromed or blued from i think any good arms dealer..?

Ahmad
22-04-2010, 12:27 PM
@ Usama, i perkarized it myself which is cz original finish, although resulting finish is very dark but i am happy with outcome.

Usama
22-04-2010, 02:38 PM
@ Usama, i perkarized it myself which is cz original finish, although resulting finish is very dark but i am happy with outcome.

Ok.. i think you are taking about the last pic.?
anyways you would have done through professional hands for excellent Finnishing. :)

Ahmad
22-04-2010, 02:47 PM
@ Usama, i perkarized it myself which is cz original finish, although resulting finish is very dark but i am happy with outcome.

Ok.. i think you are taking about the last pic.?
anyways you would have done through professional hands for excellent Finnishing. :)
AFAIK there is no nobody doing perkarizing or rust bluing in Punjab. every gunsmith is doing hot caustic re bluing, which is not very ideal process.
cheers

Xerga
22-04-2010, 04:42 PM
http://s1.postimage.org/eORCi.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gxeORCi)


hi fellows. pardon my absence.... topic is lovely and favourtie to me. will try to stick around with it.... here's the happily married couple. :)

Rotorcrafts
22-04-2010, 05:43 PM
Nice to see you back Xerga.

Usama
22-04-2010, 11:22 PM
Xerga bro
...back after a long time. :)

Faheem
22-04-2010, 11:45 PM
Xerga brother welcome back again and nice tees bore couple... its really happy family

iffe
24-04-2010, 04:25 PM
here is my entry in cafe

its darra made
fully hand crafted 30 bore

http://s1.postimage.org/l28rJ.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gxl28rJ)

Usama
24-04-2010, 06:52 PM
here is my entry in cafe

its darra made
fully hand crafted 30 bore

http://s1.postimage.org/l28rJ.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gxl28rJ)

Very nicely hand crafted :cool:
And what did it cost you ?

Mangloo Ramzani
24-04-2010, 06:54 PM
Nice entry iffe! :)

Aquarius
25-04-2010, 09:44 AM
@Xerga: Indeed a very nice happily married couple you have.. ;)

@iffe: Brother very nice engraving...... :)

Ka_Khan
25-04-2010, 12:36 PM
iffe how much you paid for the engraving?I think its dara engraving with a touch of Pakhtoon art :)

Shariq
25-04-2010, 01:05 PM
Bro Iffe nice entry in the club.

Denovo87
25-04-2010, 01:49 PM
iffe how much you paid for the engraving?I think its dara engraving with a touch of Pakhtoon art :)


Nice gun iffe bro.

Ka_Khan bro, would you please be kind enough to elaborate that PAKHTOON TOUCH thing ??? just for the info or can say a warning ;)

Mangloo Ramzani
25-04-2010, 02:03 PM
iffe how much you paid for the engraving?I think its dara engraving with a touch of Pakhtoon art :)


Nice gun iffe bro.

Ka_Khan bro, would you please be kind enough to elaborate that PAKHTOON TOUCH thing ??? just for the info or can say a warning ;)

+1
:D

Topak
25-04-2010, 06:10 PM
here is mine classic 1911 govt style,very rare in .30,its pak made
http://www.postimage.org/aV4R1Zr.jpg

http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/6987/79174148.jpg

http://img103.imageshack.us/img103/7682/26494221.jpg

http://img114.imageshack.us/img114/5875/54521687.jpg

Mangloo Ramzani
25-04-2010, 06:29 PM
@ Topak:

A very nice and rare piece brother!

What is its magazine capacity?

Denovo87
25-04-2010, 08:57 PM
Lovely .30 Topak bro, where have you been by the way?

Shariq
25-04-2010, 09:10 PM
Nice looking pistol Topak Bro.

Hamid
25-04-2010, 09:29 PM
Nice pistol topak.

Aquarius
26-04-2010, 12:29 PM
Very nice rare piece indeed Topak bro........ :)

iffe
26-04-2010, 03:40 PM
@
Mangloo Ramzani
KA Khan
Aquarius
Shariq bh
Denovo87

thank u all for appreciating

bought this for 8k which include hand crafting
went my self to darra in feb

pakhtoon touch?? :)

Maximus
26-04-2010, 06:35 PM
@ iffe
nice handcrafting. quite unique

@Topak
awesome .30. indeed rare, perhaps the only one i`ve seen. except for the grip safety its all 1911 with a decent looking grip. btw good to see you back sir

iffe
27-04-2010, 01:14 PM
thnx maximus

Topak
27-04-2010, 05:06 PM
thanks M R, Denovo,SS, Aquatius, iffe,Hamid and maximus.
its single stake with 7-8 rounds capacity.i have tried ti find out one more piece to have DOU but could not found it.
Denovo brother thanks for remembering me,
between i was lost somewhere in load shedding.
its trouble free pistol,having very rare FTF or FTE with Darra loads.

SPAYPANTHER
28-04-2010, 02:54 PM
i want to know how much of our members keep their T.T as S.D and H.D!

and if any one keep it as H.D then what number of bulits you keep in magazine!

Naveed_pk
28-04-2010, 03:02 PM
I always keep my TT as SD ... although i have stoeger but still i like TT for CCw ..

Faisji
28-04-2010, 03:03 PM
i want to know how much of our members keep their T.T as S.D and H.D!

and if any one keep it as H.D then what number of bulits you keep in magazine!


I currently carry my M57 as a CC and i have 3 mags with 8 rounds each.

Salahuddin Ayubi
28-04-2010, 04:10 PM
I've recently put my TT for SD.

SD (Soon 2 b Disposed)

wasifali89
28-04-2010, 09:35 PM
@topak

lovely addition to my vocabulary

SPAYPANTHER
28-04-2010, 10:14 PM
@ naved & faisji

brothers do you unload your magazine, when your pistol is not at job so that its spring get relax…

i think you should do that for longer life of your magazine

SPAYPANTHER
28-04-2010, 10:25 PM
I usually keep 4 bullets in magazine and a packet of bullets near to T.T so that I can lode magazine rapidly when need…
In this way my magazine spring can keep safe from looseness, which can cause FTE problems…

But yes when I carry my T.T I keep 8 bullets in each magazine and one in chamber…

wasifali89
29-04-2010, 12:02 AM
@SA

nice new definition for SD

Faisji
29-04-2010, 12:29 AM
@ naved & faisji

brothers do you unload your magazine, when your pistol is not at job so that its spring get relax…

i think you should do that for longer life of your magazine

i have 6 mags and they are on 2 weeks rotation so every 2 weeks they are emptied.

SPAYPANTHER
29-04-2010, 08:51 PM
@ naved & faisji

brothers do you unload your magazine, when your pistol is not at job so that its spring get relax…

i think you should do that for longer life of your magazine

i have 6 mags and they are on 2 weeks rotation so every 2 weeks they are emptied.

hmmm thats good!!! it show your love:)

Apalo
30-04-2010, 01:36 AM
all of you,nice collection.

fahd.mehmood
11-05-2010, 10:53 AM
I usually keep 4 bullets in magazine and a packet of bullets near to T.T so that I can lode magazine rapidly when need…
In this way my magazine spring can keep safe from looseness, which can cause FTE problems…

But yes when I carry my T.T I keep 8 bullets in each magazine and one in chamber…

Pardon my ignorance but why would a magazine spring affect the Ejection. Once the round is in the chamber the magazine would have no role to play. Its a question not a statement that i am making. please clarify so my education in gunnery continues

SPAYPANTHER
11-05-2010, 03:35 PM
Fahad you are wellcome!
Ok lets start their are to parts of gun which are responcible for safe ejection
1- ejector
2- magazine

now question is that HOW???
So! Rembember there are aslo two motion for ejection
1- vertical
2- horizantel

ejector catch the empety cartige and pull it out from chamber… (it is horizantrl motion)
but ejector it self cant throug the cartige out of gun, as it can't produce vertical motion…

now when your cartige is out of chamber (but still in gun), then magazin spring start its work and hit the cartige to thorug it out of gun…


note: horizantile motion = forwerd and backword & vertical motion will be upword and downword

SPAYPANTHER
11-05-2010, 03:39 PM
THAT VIDEO CAN EXPLAIN MORE THEN WORDS

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fg0-vfb6c7Q&feature=related

fahd.mehmood
11-05-2010, 03:47 PM
Fahad you are wellcome!
Ok lets start their are to parts of gun which are responcible for safe ejection
1- ejector
2- magazine

now question is that HOW???
So! Rembember there are aslo two motion for ejection
1- vertical
2- horizantel

ejector catch the empety cartige and pull it out from chamber… (it is horizantrl motion)
but ejector it self cant throug the cartige out of gun, as it can't produce vertical motion…

now when your cartige is out of chamber (but still in gun), then magazin spring start its work and hit the cartige to thorug it out of gun…


note: horizantile motion = forwerd and backword & vertical motion will be upword and downword


wow...its gr8 info..thank you sir

Pistol
11-05-2010, 03:51 PM
@Topak, Very nice looking pistol.

Brother, is it as good as the Pak-made TT ?

shahzad
14-05-2010, 03:15 AM
SPAYPANTHER bro thanks for magazine saving tips.

shahzad
14-05-2010, 04:44 AM
@Rotorcrafts.Its REALLY a BEAUTY... Keep it in Safe;) and secure this DESI wih Farangis.:D
@Aquarius Bro. Plz mention the price of KK shape and M16, the one you reffered.

shahzad
14-05-2010, 04:47 AM
SA: I've recently put my TT for SD.

SD (Soon 2 b Disposed)"


SA Brother. Awaam ke Jazbaat k Mazaaq na Uraaen . Wo bhi 30 Bore Lovers ke samne un ke Thread me:(

SPAYPANTHER
14-05-2010, 12:00 PM
+1 shahzad

TT-33
14-05-2010, 01:06 PM
I love TT-33, 30 Bore but I had Pak made so sold it & now own CZ999 on my Licence, it I will get a chance for other licenec/Pistol sure I will purchase Chinese TT Pistol, it is great bore.

Salahuddin Ayubi
14-05-2010, 01:08 PM
SA: I've recently put my TT for SD.

SD (Soon 2 b Disposed)"


SA Brother. Awaam ke Jazbaat k Mazaaq na Uraaen . Wo bhi 30 Bore Lovers ke samne un ke Thread me:(

Don't worry Shahzad. Another PG member is going to get it on Saturday. So in a sense, the 30 bore will remain within the PG family.

Ab Khush ?

Mangloo Ramzani
14-05-2010, 02:57 PM
Fahad you are wellcome!
Ok lets start their are to parts of gun which are responcible for safe ejection
1- ejector
2- magazine

now question is that HOW???
So! Rembember there are aslo two motion for ejection
1- vertical
2- horizantel

ejector catch the empety cartige and pull it out from chamber… (it is horizantrl motion)
but ejector it self cant throug the cartige out of gun, as it can't produce vertical motion…

now when your cartige is out of chamber (but still in gun), then magazin spring start its work and hit the cartige to thorug it out of gun…


note: horizantile motion = forwerd and backword & vertical motion will be upword and downword

Okay, I would like to clear a few things here:

First the "Extractor" pulls the empty cartridge out of the chamber and not the "Ejector".

Secondly, when the cartridge is out of the chamber, it is not effected by the magazine spring (it will eject the cartridge even if fired without a mag)

"Ejector", specifically, is the solid stationary piece and is part of the grip or trigger assembly (usually like a flattened striker pin). When the cartridge is in its backward motion, it strikes with this ejector pin (its always located approx opposite to the extractor catch), and the cartridge flies off through the ejection port. :)

Hope I explained it clearly enough!

Gilani
14-05-2010, 03:46 PM
+1 Mangloo bhai, very well explained. A faulty magazine spring would result in inefficient feeding :)

Pistol
14-05-2010, 04:13 PM
@Mangloo bhai,

Thank you for the enlightening info.

fahd.mehmood
14-05-2010, 04:17 PM
thank you mangloo. i may not become an expert through my posts (pun intended), but i will surely become an expert through PG experts posts.

Salahuddin Ayubi
14-05-2010, 07:03 PM
Enlightening post Mangloo Ramzani and

Congratulations on your CF98. Mubarakan janaab. :)

Mangloo Ramzani
14-05-2010, 09:50 PM
@ Gilani, Pistol, Fahd and SA: Thank you all! :D (I'm going to post a visual soon!)


@ SA: Sir jee Khair Mubarak. Waisey I've yet to meet 'MY' CF98 in person!! (I'm hoping maybe on Monday or Tuesday) :D :D

Mangloo Ramzani
15-05-2010, 12:42 AM
Okay here it is :

This is the extractor on the slide (highlighted in the circle)
http://i791.photobucket.com/albums/yy197/Mangloo/Ejector2/Extarctor2.jpg

This is the ejector pin, but the notch visible in the circle does the trick in the TT. (This pin (so called) also restricts the barrel from moving backwards with the slide!)
http://i791.photobucket.com/albums/yy197/Mangloo/Ejector2/Ejector.jpg

Now when the round is chambered, the extractor grips the cartridge (see inset)
http://i791.photobucket.com/albums/yy197/Mangloo/Ejector2/Extarctor.jpg

As the slide starts to move back the extractor pulls out the cartridge from the chamber. Note the notch mentioned above (now visible from the underside)
http://i791.photobucket.com/albums/yy197/Mangloo/Ejector2/Ejector2.jpg

As the cartridge reaches the notch, the notch gives it a tap and since it is griped from the other side by the extractor, it tends to move towards the ejection port! (note the direction in which the cartridge (bullet in this case) is bending)
http://i791.photobucket.com/albums/yy197/Mangloo/Ejector2/Ejection.jpg

You will notice the ejection notch pushing the cartridge and the extractor trying to grip it, and since both are in opposite direction, the cartridge flies out!!! :D

Regards

Gilani
15-05-2010, 12:44 AM
Mangloo bhai, brilliant work. Keep it up :)

Mangloo Ramzani
15-05-2010, 12:57 AM
Thank you Gilani Sb. Just wanted to make it more understandable! :D

Pistol
15-05-2010, 01:33 AM
@Mangloo Bhai,

You should be a professor of Engineering. Very clearly explained in the pictures.

Mangloo Ramzani
15-05-2010, 01:35 AM
@Mangloo Bhai,

You should be a professor of Engineering. Very clearly explained in the pictures.

Sir, thank you for your appreciation! :)

Faheem
15-05-2010, 07:18 AM
Mangloo Ramzani brother great work.Thats really nice after Abbas, A.Abbas,12guage and some others brothers we have got another engineer :D ....

Salahuddin Ayubi
15-05-2010, 10:54 AM
@Mangloo Bhai,

You should be a professor of Engineering. Very clearly explained in the pictures.

He's even more than that :)

Brilliant work Mangloo bhai.

Mangloo Ramzani
15-05-2010, 12:17 PM
@ Faheem & SA:

Thank you brothers!

Topak
15-05-2010, 12:25 PM
thanks Mangloo R for clarifications.......
i also took ejecter and extractor as same thing.....but its clear now... :)

Mangloo Ramzani
15-05-2010, 11:29 PM
Thank you Topak for your kind words!

Shariq
16-05-2010, 12:26 AM
Very nicely explained with pictures. Thanks for the effort Sir

Aquarius
16-05-2010, 12:46 AM
Excellent work Mangloo Ramzani brother.. keep it up.... :)

fahd.mehmood
16-05-2010, 08:37 AM
My education continues. thanx for the highly informative and descriptive posts. keep it up

SPAYPANTHER
16-05-2010, 11:36 AM
@ mangolo ramzani

Very wall brother and thanks to take interest…

Wall bro I have expense that when magazine expiring is not perfect then FTE problems are arrive…
So take some light on it why it happened

Mangloo Ramzani
16-05-2010, 02:57 PM
@ Sqnldr_Shariq, Aquarius & fahd.mehmood: Thank you all for your kind comments!

@ SPAYPANTHER:
Sir, a Failure to Feed properly may result in a Failure to Eject if while feeding and chambering the bullet cartridge is not properly gripped by the Extractor. If it is not properly gripped it will not properly be extracted and ejected. It will not happen all the time but it MAY happen nonetheless.

If your gun slide is locking in its place automatically after the last round is ejected, IMHO there is nothing wrong with the mag spring. Other things have to be taken into consideration like the mag lips etc. if the problem persists.

ARlover
16-05-2010, 05:08 PM
i plan to buy .30 handgun plz advice what im buy zastva or chinse one this is my one time buy so advice best :cool:

Faisji
16-05-2010, 09:45 PM
i plan to buy .30 handgun plz advice what im buy zastva or chinse one this is my one time buy so advice best :cool:

Having used chinese,russian and Zastava.I would wholeheartedly endorse Zastava.This is a gun you can keep for a lifetime.

ARlover
16-05-2010, 10:13 PM
my friend have chinese made by norinco he clame this is best hand gun in .30

Faisji
17-05-2010, 10:58 AM
my friend have chinese made by norinco he clame this is best hand gun in .30


Having owned both versions and having fired quite a bit through them i would recommend M57 over norinco anyday.

Shariq
17-05-2010, 02:18 PM
M57 Zastava. Much better finish and grip.

ALI GUJJAR
17-05-2010, 02:27 PM
chinese made by norinco this is best hand gun in .30

Usama
17-05-2010, 02:33 PM
M57 Zastava. Much better finish and grip.

i agree with Shariq bhai on Zastava's look.

Faisji
17-05-2010, 02:37 PM
M57 Zastava. Much better finish and grip.

Exactly

ARlover
17-05-2010, 03:24 PM
M57 Zastava. Much better finish and grip.

advice of pakguns brothers are valueable for me im going for .30 m57 zastavsaa plz give me any idea of price

Oasis
17-05-2010, 03:56 PM
M57 Zastava. Much better finish and grip.

advice of pakguns brothers are valueable for me im going for .30 m57 zastavsaa plz give me any idea of price


AOA ....

Brother in the love of .30 bore ..................> last friday my friend got zastava m57 here karachi from badar arms 30k and ammo 20rs per round.

Thx.

Nazim Sahib
17-05-2010, 11:28 PM
without doubt its a very cheap desert eagle.I bought one about 9 years ago and still have it around.Ammo is easily available and it has a v long range for such a small gun.............

Nazim Sahib
17-05-2010, 11:36 PM
I`m getting a new gun soon inshallah(cz999) but i am always going to keep my .30 around as a back up gun.I think it fits the role perfectly as a cheap back up pistol

ARlover
19-05-2010, 02:03 PM
day of zastava m57

ARlover
20-05-2010, 05:47 PM
buy zastava m57 for my driver for sd lets hope its work fine when he need it i paid fot it 27k

Faisji
21-05-2010, 09:32 AM
buy zastava m57 for my driver for sd lets hope its work fine when he need it i paid fot it 27k
Congrats on fine purchase.If he's carrying for your protection o strongly suggest a break-in shoot on the gun to smmooth it out.For SD carry it will need a 200 round break-in.

Dr Zakir
21-05-2010, 11:49 PM
Cheko tt is the best . Provided u can find one

ALI GUJJAR
22-05-2010, 11:50 PM
http://s1.postimage.org/5pZUS.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gx5pZUS)

ALI GUJJAR
22-05-2010, 11:51 PM
http://s2.postimage.org/T6GHJ.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=TsT6GHJ)

this is after 300 rounds

ALI GUJJAR
22-05-2010, 11:53 PM
http://s1.postimage.org/5qqlr.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gx5qqlr)

ALI GUJJAR
22-05-2010, 11:57 PM
http://s4.postimage.org/gYvrr.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=aVgYvrr)

Aquarius
23-05-2010, 12:04 AM
Nice pictures ALI GUJJAR brother.. thanks for sharing...... :)

Faheem
23-05-2010, 12:15 AM
ALI GUJJAR brother very nice pics. Did you face any FTF or FTE while trying 300 rounds ? becasue recently we have purchased 2 original Norinco .30 bore tt's but while trying first 20 rounds we observed FTF in both TT's..

After little bit cleaning both are workin smoothly.....

ALI GUJJAR
23-05-2010, 12:44 AM
no FTF or FTE. afrte every 100 rounds NASA anti-rust lubricant spray. :D

ALI GUJJAR
23-05-2010, 12:54 AM
more then 2300 rounds have been fired in it from. 01/11/2009 till 20/05/2010. in total may be 20 to 30 FTF or FTE. in my hands. :cool:

Denovo87
23-05-2010, 10:32 AM
more then 2300 rounds have been fired in it from. 01/11/2009 till 20/05/2010. in total may be 20 to 30 FTF or FTE. in my hands. :cool:

So it missfired or failed to eject once in every magazine fired :o thats too much bro .