PX4storm Pics and Range Review

[Taurus]

Salams!! I was out this sunday as a normal routine to the firing range ...so saw a friend owning this beauty he is also our member and is less active here thought to take pics and tested some rounds with it well ppl say glock is a glock i would say beretta is also after all beretta really like the balanced of this pistol i would say its a dead accurate pistol it has low felt recoil and the best thing is crispy and extreme smooth trigger ...i Felt its trigger balance weighing like 3.5 lbs... Took snaps from the mobile Sorry for the poor result (i Thought i should have my cam next time to take some more pics of this beauty)
Comparing with Glock 17 ,Stoeger Cougar, Smith and wesson M&P
I would take this as my first choice as its balance is gr8 and according to beauty and performance it wins hands down from all of the above
Why i compared it with cougar because its felt recoil is lower than that of cougar and even more accurate than cougar...the real difference between cougar and px4storm is of trigger its trigger is very smooth compare with cougar plus the fit and finish is excellent and much better than cougar...
Finally its an excellent choice for range use the reason is its accurate and excellent trigger!!
Most of the ppl in range here use Glock 17. i would say to add it up to ur list for the choice between glock and M&P
s its on their hands they would love it!!!
Here you go with the pics
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[Oasis]

AOA ..

Nice pistol & good review bro. :)

Thx.

[Sensei]

Indeed an extremely beautiful gun in fifth pic who will not say its a cougar,@Taurus I believe that px4 storm is quite a modified and improved version of cougar and ofcourse it would be more or much better than cougar in some areas no doubt & no direct comparision indeed but keeping time periods of their origin in my mind their price tags etc and now after seen your
review about Strorm Berreta I can say that stoeger cougar is one of the top class handgun in its price tag, very well done Mod and thanks for sharing such a wonderful thing with us
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[Yardie Jutt]

very nice review...btw does it fall in the same price bracket as that of glock 17??

[Sensei]

may be above I think so :cool:

[PrivateEye]

Beautiful gun and a good review.
But keeping in mind the prices tags attached to Couger and PX4 .. Both wins equally in their ranges.
Lets see when does Beretta hands over the production of PX4 to Stoeger :p (i know its not a possibility)

[Sensei]

Beautiful gun and a good review.
But keeping in mind the prices tags attached to Couger and PX4 .. Both wins equally in their ranges.
Lets see when does Beretta hands over the production of PX4 to Stoeger :p (i know its not a possibility)

+1 PrivateEye it could be done if berreta will think about px thunder storm :lol:

[khurramdool]

Very nice but is it available here and price tag plz.

[Salahuddin Ayubi]

Nice share Taurus. Well done.

When's Caracal's review coming up?

[Gilani]

Very nice review Taurus Sir. A nice handgun indeed. Thanks for sharing the pics. :)
And nice shooting BTW, what was the distance this target was shot from?

[Vik]

Beauty. If its Italian than must be expensive.I am estimating 300k.

Are the grips adjustable.

[Aquarius]

The same rotating barrel mechanism as Stoegar Cougar, but in a polymer frame & if you strip it then one can see that both are quite identical to each other... beautiful indeed & very good review...... :)

[Shariq]

Good work. Any idea about price and availability?

[Gunpsycho]

@ Shariq Bro Badar & Brothers demanding 325k 15 days back :) :)

[Taurus]

Well last i checked for the price is Rs.250k which is on a very higher side ...I think the fair price for this weapon should be 80k but u know in pakistan we calculate it 3 times higher so 180k is a fine price to buy!!!!
@Gilani :- Bro this was not my chart it was the chart of the owner of this gun and distance was 15m
@Vik:- Grips are adjustable!!!
@Salahuddin Ayubi:- Inshallah very soon i will get the review for caracal, M&P, HK USP, Sig p226 with a better cam
@All:- Yes the cougar in this price range is an excellent choice whereas i think in the second last pic all of u have seen the barrel...The barrel is exactly the same of cougar no difference, I checked it thoroughly...The difference is of the quality,accuracy,Trigger ,fit and finish which takes it to the higher side

[Faheem]

Taurus bro very nice review of extreamily perect handgun. After one of the beautyful review of mentioned handgun, we can just pray.

"Kash Beretta Px4 storm bhi Stouger kay hawaley kardey or same gun we can buy in economical price" Ameen......


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[Maximus]

Awesome pistol and nice share Taurus bro.

it even has a dedicated page.second hit on google.nice info

adapted from http://www.px4storm.com/index.aspx?m=53&did=55

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The new Beretta Px4 Storm pistol is the most advanced expression of technological and aesthetic features in a semiautomatic sidearm.
Built around a modular concept that a pistol can be adapted to different needs and modes of operations, without compromising on ergonomics and the renowned Beretta reliability and performance, the Px4 Storm emphasizes power, ease of handling, performance and reliability.
Initially manufactured in three calibers, the Px4 Storm uses an exclusive Beretta designed innovative locked-breech with rotating barrel system, the strongest action to date.
The light yet durable frame employs modern thermoplastic technology through the use of technopolymer reinforced fiberglass.
Modular structure, ergonomics and interchangeability of parts make the Px4 Storm the ideal firearm for law-enforcement use, as well as personal defense.

http://www.px4storm.com/index.aspx?m=53&did=48
technical data included this...

Slide
Steel, sandblasted, phosphatized and Bruniton coated.

Barrel
Steel, sandblasted and blued. Internally chromium-plated.

sounds really reliable.

[iffe]

great review and nice pistol

[Slayerjatt]

beautiful gun and excellent review. thanks for sharing.

[PrivateEye]

lol Sensi :lol:

[Aquarius]

Comparing with Glock 17 ,Stoeger Cougar, Smith and wesson M&P I would take this as my first choice as its balance is gr8 and according to beauty and performance it wins hands down from all of the above

As far as Stoegar Cougar & S&W MP is concerned, your statement may be rite but as far as Glock 17 is concerned you are rite about the beauty of PX4 storm, but in the performance department, I doubt it......... :)

[Vik]

Comparing with Glock 17 ,Stoeger Cougar, Smith and wesson M&P I would take this as my first choice as its balance is gr8 and according to beauty and performance it wins hands down from all of the above

As far as Stoegar Cougar & S&W MP is concerned, your statement may be rite but as far as Glock 17 is concerned you are rite about the beauty of PX4 storm, but in the performance department, I doubt it......... :)

That day is not far off, when myth/bubble of Glock will burst. :)

[Dr Zakir]

Beretta sig glock hk walther , these all are great guns and difference is mostly on personal preference of individual

[Aquarius]

Beretta sig glock hk walther , these all are great guns and difference is mostly on personal preference of individual

+1 Dr Zakir Sir............. :)

[Taurus]

+1 Dr.zakir, when i ran some rounds to px4storm i liked it much better than any weapon....My friend Imu10 didnt but i bet its having a better trigger than glock ...

[Aquarius]

Well a better trigger does'nt mean that its better than Glock in overall performance. There are plenty of other guns in the market having better trigger than Glock...but in the end as Dr Sahib stated........a matter of personal preferance.... :)

[PsiFactor]

Awesome pistol and nice photography Taurus brother.

[Ahsanfurqan]

nice pistol nd well reviewd

[SPAYPANTHER]

Is its mechanism is same as stoger (rotary ) ??

[Abbas]

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[Budha Khan]

Great review by Taurus sb...

[Budha Khan]

we are fortunate that around 50 k we can get the pistol of almost px 4 standard...paying less getting more...its non other than SC 8000....

[Denovo87]

we are fortunate that around 50 k we can get the pistol of almost px 4 standard...paying less getting more...its non other than SC 8000....

If you are considering pistol for pistol then any local 9mm is a fortunate thing to have if someone cannot afford px 4, otherwise we cannot substitute SC8000 for everything eating 9mm :)

[Faheem]

Denovo87 sir on last week Me and Glockcholic brother has discussed that point that SC8000 has not a ammo sensetive handgun we can fire any type of 9mm bullet in SC.

He explained me in detail that he has tried FTF rounds from other handguns in SC8000 and got success.

[GatlinGun]

+1 RTTV (Real Treat to View)

[Aamar]

Good one :D

[BulletHog]

has anyone seen the compact model of px4 around...it is also an interesting piece ... tilt locking instead of rotating ... but a nice gun for cc...(although some may think its too fat)

[Gilani]

we are fortunate that around 50 k we can get the pistol of almost px 4 standard...paying less getting more...its non other than SC 8000....
Sir, I don't think Stoeger Cougar is anywhere near the quality / standard of Beretta PX4 Storm.................. PX4 Storm is a quality gun, Stoeger Cougar is just another gun available in the market. Nothing drastically wrong with it, nothing very special about it. It may be compared with the likes of Canik55, Sarsilmaz, Zigana, Taurus, Norinco handguns but not with Beretta PX4 Storm or other original Beretta guns. It may have been manufactured on an outdated Beretta plant but it has Turkish manufactured parts (more importantly a Turkish MKEK manufactured barrel) and is nowhere equal to Italian / US made Beretta guns in performance. Just my two cents on the issue :)

[Dr Zakir]

yes i think the same px4 storm should not be compared with cougar . however i will compare it to walther p99

[Sensei]

Well brothers though it is already discuused in great details and finally concluded as that its a matter of preference of an individual,personal point of view can be put one time or can be repeat in reply of any relevant question,anyway without going in to it here I would say that someone of us may not be very expressive & I dont think it would be nice to start same thing every where thats why here I would only like to say that dont
ever think low about stoeger cougar this is a very high and fine quality handgun ofcourse may not be in wish list of many but it does`t make any difference at all every thing so special to any good gun is already there no question in it, to those who are
considering stoeger cougar as future weapon here I would say
that quality,fininshin,durability,beauty,wise stoeger cougar is ofcourse not the only but one of the best guns available in this price range,to me it is the first best one and ofcourse stoeger cougar can be compare with Px4 storm because of the same linage http://s3.postimage.org/237Hi.gif (http://www.postimage.org/)

[Budha Khan]

GILANI SB i agree... i just was alike the 1 who spends around 50,55 for SC 8000 is more reasonable than that who buys PX 4 on above 2 lacs... I think the way Taurus Sab thinks as i read his review somewhere that If we cud get PX 4 for 80 k in pak then its justified... i wud if i cud pick px 4 even on 100 k but i think non of the branded pistols deserve more than 100 k...

[Budha Khan]

Sensei Sab i agree with u too...i m not a range shooter, neither in my view most of the pistols wud be designed for accuracy on longer distances... outside the forum i din't see any one considering SC 8000 less accurate any way... the same rotating barrel is there in PX 4 and few modifications and improvements wud definitely be made in PX but for SD purpose in this price bracket so far i cudn't see a better HG than SC 8000... my judgement may be clouded but this is my NAQIS raey... :P

[Sensei]

@Budhakhan brother your point is not Naqis it is very solid ;)
I believe that the only gun we can discuss with Px4 storm that is stoeger couger & ofcourse not every gun is made for same purpose I agreed

[Faheem]

Well after discussion with some pakguns real collectors of world's most expensive handguns, they advised me that Stouger couger is one of the best handgun available in under 100k and its standard is same like all other top rated handguns.

Even they love to carry Souger Couger on daily basis, on the other hand they have a huge collection of Glock
(pictures are still available in old threads). It deosn't mean that I am prefering SC on Glock :)

Brothers scouger couger is not for targeting purpose :) its a simple compact handgun with short barrel.

Very reliable and most durable handgun and well built on Beretta's CNC plant and locking barrel system is superb.

Recoil has moderate and the frame/slide friction parts are less and recycling process is very smooth.

Atleast I love stouger couger and I cant prefare any other handgun (under 100 k) on Stouger couger.

So if any one wanna get this handgun so just go and very confidently buy this handgun.

[Aquarius]

True indeed Faheem brother........... :)

[Budha Khan]

Thanks Sensei bro

[Budha Khan]

Faheem bro!!! u did make a point... but SC is not an inaccurate HG... if SCs are less accurate then the same wud be the case wid PX 4... IMO if the HG is effective between 7-25 yards it fulfils one's accuracy requirements...

[Budha Khan]

most of us await for SC's accuracy test on HGs' accuracy thread by Gilani Sab... :P

[Faheem]

Budha Khan sir How can i say that SC is an inaccurate handgun I think you didn't get ma point.... I strongly prefere you the below mentioned link here you can get my point very easily.

Our very expert member Glockcohlic brother has explained this point in detail...


http://www.pakguns.com/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=113400#p113400

[Shariq]

@Budha Khan
Our Expert panel member Imu10 hits nothing but bulls eye with Stoeger Cougar from 10m and occasional 9 from 15m. Its an accurate gun with low felt recoil. Take my word for it :)
In fact Imu10 shoots accurately from any imported gun he lays his hands on. After seeing his scores i am sure that whatever inaccuracy we experience is due to our faulty technique. Its true that some guns suit our hands better and we fire from them comfortably but it doesn't mean that rest are inaccurate. ( Except for guns which require sight adjustment ).
An example. From 15m, my average score with different handguns is around 143/150. But i could not score even 130/150 from S&W Sigma. I could have concluded that it is little inaccurate but It was the same gun which was used by Imu10 to win the shooting competition at PNS range.

[Shariq]

Of course range report from an experienced shooter like Gilani Sahib would be true test of this argument.

[ACHILLES]

@Sqnldr_Shariq

hAVE you checked ths FNP issued to air force, how they shoot?

[Shariq]

A little off topic but!
Haven't seen them anywhere up till now.

[Sensei]

@Budha Khan
Our Expert panel member Imu10 hits nothing but bulls eye with Stoeger Cougar from 10m and occasional 9 from 15m. Its an accurate gun with low felt recoil. Take my word for it :)
In fact Imu10 shoots accurately from any imported gun he lays his hands on. After seeing his scores i am sure that whatever inaccuracy we experience is due to our faulty technique. Its true that some guns suit our hands better and we fire from them comfortably but it doesn't mean that rest are inaccurate. ( Except for guns which require sight adjustment ).
An example. From 15m, my average score with different handguns is around 143/150. But i could not score even 130/150 from S&W Sigma. I could have concluded that it is little inaccurate but It was the same gun which was used by Imu10 to win the shooting competition at PNS range.

Amazing Shariq brother really impressive posthttp://s1.postimage.org/mO4xr.gif (http://www.postimage.org/)

[Budha Khan]

i knew what u were saying Faheem bro... any way thnx 4 explaining further...its kind of u

[Budha Khan]

SQNLDR_Shariq SB!!! its so well explained by u, Sir!!!

[Imu10]

+1 Dr.zakir, when i ran some rounds to px4storm i liked it much better than any weapon....My friend Imu10 didnt but i bet its having a better trigger than glock ...

My Brother Saleem,
as u said in ur post that U FELT IT'S TRIGGER WAS 3.5 LBS no its not true i am sure u liked the weapon when u saw it, i also liked the weapon when i saw it, but that liking was only for its looks not for its range performance.
In short like we say "LAHORE LAHORE HAY" is he tarhaan "GLOCK GLOACK HAY"
Specially one with the Customised trigger of 2.5Lbs
Regards Imu10

[Aquarius]

+1 Dr.zakir, when i ran some rounds to px4storm i liked it much better than any weapon....My friend Imu10 didnt but i bet its having a better trigger than glock ...

My Brother Saleem,
as u said in ur post that U FELT IT'S TRIGGER WAS 3.5 LBS no its not true i am sure u liked the weapon when u saw it, i also liked the weapon when i saw it, but that liking was only for its looks not for its range performance.
In short like we say "LAHORE LAHORE HAY" is he tarhaan "GLOCK GLOACK HAY"
Specially one with the Customised trigger of 2.5Lbs
Regards Imu10

+1 Imu10 bro: "GLOCK GLOCK HAY".. very correct ...... :)

[oumayer]

Lovely handgun, an improvised version of the cougar I think.

Good review...

[Taurus]

Dear Imu,
i know glock glock hay but beretta beretta hain...its abt the fit of the gun i also know when u tested cougar they dont fit on ur hand properly ...

[superkoolguy]

Its a good pistol, but man its damn expensive!

[mhrehman]

thanks for sharing bro

[RazaRajpoot]

very nice gun

[AK47]

In my opinion, a "souped up" Cougar, with better ergonomics. :)

[Naseer]

Please let me know if I post pictures of my PX4 INOX here.

[Denovo87]

Please let me know if I post pictures of my PX4 INOX here.

Why not; specially if you have to say something about your px4, good or bad what ever your experience is with it.

Sorry forgot to welcome you; Welcome aboard brother, enjoy the place & share your experience of NPB firearms, legal hunts, range sessions etc.

[M.ASIF KHAN]

Please let me know if I post pictures of my PX4 INOX here.



welcome NASEER bro waiting for your px4 review

[Naseer]

AssalamOalaikum,
Thank you very much indeed for nice greetings and the welcome in the forum. Sorry, I don't have my PX4 yet, but expecting it in a few days. I did fire my PHP-MV9 in range the gun my cousin (who also introduced pakguns to me) disapproved and led me to trade it in for PX4. I am new to guns, as apparent on attached range card that I did with my revolver. I would post PX4 pics in future, but for now I can show you the LMS-MICRO that I bought for my awaited gun.

[Naseer]

I finally got my "Beretta Px4 Storm-F INOX". Here are some pics.

[Trigger_happy78]

Nice pics and awsome gun naseer bro

[HussainAli]

Dear Naseer Bro, Very nice & wounderful Weapon Congrat !!!!!!

Hope to have range review soon !!!

Regards

[s.cheema]

congrats, beautiful gun. how much did you get it for

[Glock5]

yes gun indeed.....is its "subcompact" version also available ?

[Glock5]

Nice i meant !!

[Naseer]

@ Trigger_happy78
@ HussainAli

Thanks.

[Naseer]

yes gun indeed.....is its "subcompact" version also available ?

I had to specially order the INOX (stainless steal slide) version in the Storm-F, I'm not sure if it is available in subcompact.

[Naseer]

congrats, beautiful gun. how much did you get it for
I learned from the Beretta Warranty that for Pakistan (also for Singapore, Malaysia & Thailand) the distributor is ARMS RINDT, Ingle Road, Quetta, Tel: +43 -66 4430 6451, fax +43 6462 4214. Here I spent ~$650.00 for it.

[Naseer]

http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=288891211121667

Here is my range video with the pistol @ 10m. I need forum expert opinion on my aim, recoil handling, sight adjustment, laser adjustment. Should I be happy with my group?

[Aquarius]

I had to specially order the INOX (stainless steal slide) version in the Storm-F, I'm not sure if it is available in subcompact.

Its available in compact as well as subcompact versions.. the compacts doesn't have the rotatory barrel system as do the full sized version.

@Naseer beautiful item you got there.

[Naseer]

Its available in compact as well as subcompact versions.. the compacts doesn't have the rotatory barrel system as do the full sized version.

@Naseer beautiful item you got there.

Thanks. Is my range video available? I didn't find option to upload the video from my computer.

[AHMEDPG]

Naseer,
congrats, beautiful gun. how much did you get it for ?

Regards
Ahmed

[Naseer]

Naseer,
congrats, beautiful gun. how much did you get it for ?

Regards
Ahmed

Thanks again, I traded my PHP-MV9 for it. Including all those costs I spent ~US$650.00 for Px4 INOX.

[GUNFREAK]

I once had the pleasure to test px4 compact at the range, indeed a solid weapon, though the recoile was a bit more than the g26.

regards

[Sturmgewehr]

beautiful gun I hope barreta does consider giving it over to stoeger arms...

[Naseer]

http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=288891211121667

Here is my range video with the pistol @ 10m. I need forum expert opinion on my aim, recoil handling, sight adjustment, laser adjustment. Should I be happy with my group?

http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=288891211121667

[Naseer]

4867Here is my range pictures with the pistol @ 10m. On top is the laser position and on the bottom is corresponding position of the shot. There are thus five laser dots and corresponding shots. I need forum expert opinion on my aim, recoil handling, sight adjustment, laser adjustment. Should I be happy with my group?

[AK47]

4867Here is my range pictures with the pistol @ 10m. On top is the laser position and on the bottom is corresponding position of the shot. There are thus five laser dots and corresponding shots. I need forum expert opinion on my aim, recoil handling, sight adjustment, laser adjustment. Should I be happy with my group?

Thanks for a nice share.

I think your laser needs either no more adjustment, or at the most, a click or two upwards on the elevation scale.

Reason why I'm saying there may be no need for further adjustment is due to shot No. 1. Excellent.

Your shots are generally an inch or or 2 to the lower of the POA. Hence, could be due to a slight jerk downwards at trigger release, or what's also called flinching/anticipation.

I'm not an expert with shooting diagnosis, so let's see what the seniors have to say.

Yet, just an idea, if you can't get past this low shooting tendency, how about adjusting the laser elevation an inch higher, so that you'd be pointing an inch higher but still getting the bull??

Overall, I must say, this is pretty impressive. Further efficiency of the laser would be clear, if you do a group of 5 consecutive shots in rapid. Just shoot again as soon as you find the beam back on the bull, would be pretty interesting to see that sequence.

Also, kindly share your stance with these shots, were you still aiming naturally, means, checking the beam through the iron sights, or was it purely point shooting ? That's a new habit one has to adjust to, since checking it through the iron sights kind of offsets the very need of the laser as a whole, lolz!


Let's see more, and the vid above is not working, for your info!


Regards.

[Naseer]

Thanks for a nice share.
I think your laser needs either no more adjustment, or at the most, a click or two upwards on the elevation scale.
Reason why I'm saying there may be no need for further adjustment is due to shot No. 1. Excellent.
Your shots are generally an inch or or 2 to the lower of the POA. Hence, could be due to a slight jerk downwards at trigger release, or what's also called flinching/anticipation.
I'm not an expert with shooting diagnosis, so let's see what the seniors have to say.
Yet, just an idea, if you can't get past this low shooting tendency, how about adjusting the laser elevation an inch higher, so that you'd be pointing an inch higher but still getting the bull??
Overall, I must say, this is pretty impressive. Further efficiency of the laser would be clear, if you do a group of 5 consecutive shots in rapid. Just shoot again as soon as you find the beam back on the bull, would be pretty interesting to see that sequence.
Also, kindly share your stance with these shots, were you still aiming naturally, means, checking the beam through the iron sights, or was it purely point shooting ? That's a new habit one has to adjust to, since checking it through the iron sights kind of offsets the very need of the laser as a whole, lolz!
Let's see more, and the vid above is not working, for your info!
Regards.
Thanks bro, I really appreciate your advice and time. I solely depended upon the laser for aiming my pistol. I'll try to adjust laser with sight (I may use a light through barrel for zeroing). Do you think the laser shakes due to the recoil and needs adjustment after every shot? I guess I need another range visit to check if I improve flinching/anticipation (jerk downwards at trigger release).
With best wishes
Naseer

[AK47]

Thanks bro, I really appreciate your advice and time. I solely depended upon the laser for aiming my pistol. I'll try to adjust laser with sight (I may use a light through barrel for zeroing). Do you think the laser shakes due to the recoil and needs adjustment after every shot? I guess I need another range visit to check if I improve flinching/anticipation (jerk downwards at trigger release).
With best wishes
Naseer

Thanks. You're welcome.

No, I do not think so, since you've a relatively class laser attached to your gun and this would render it useless as such.

I think you should not make any changes to it so far, just visit the range again and try to control your own would-be faults first, like flinching, etc.

If you still find it out of zero, then change upon anything.

Actually, I remember when a fellow bro came over to me to check out his sight-adjustable 608 revolver. It was shooting perfectly fine but he wanted more from it and adjusted a few clicks up/down/left/right only to find it worsening out and we never got it back to stock settings again.

Personal errors should be corrected first before correction on the gadgets, especially since your laser is already very close to perfect zero.

As for the laser boresighter, well, I think it may have been useful for the beginning to get you onto the paper, yet experiment with the adjustment only after another good session.

This make of laser should be able to hold zero retention, yet i agree, you do have to adjust every time, had it been a Chinese one!!


Regards.

[Naseer]

Appreciate bro AK47: I have to wait until December to find time for the range, so any shooting improvement has to be delayed until then. I learned about the bore-laser (http://www.laserlyte.com/products/mbs-1) that could have been used for my 9mm. However, I bought US$10 laser that I can put through the barrel to align with main laser dot. I'll try to post pictures when this experiment gets conducted.

[Naseer]

I used US$10 laser that I put through the barrel to align with main laser dot. But the cheep laser never stayed straight when tried to be aligned in the middle of the barrel. I could have used the bore-laser http://www.laserlyte.com/products/mbs-1. May be I should have contentment with my sight and "LaserMax LMS-MICRO" pica-tinny rail laser.

[malik160]

excellent weapon, and great review, any price idea?
regards

[basal_ch]

Congrates Naseer
dats an Excellent piece of Beauty

[Naseer]

excellent weapon, and great review, any price idea?
regards
Thanks, I learned from the Beretta Warranty that for Pakistan (also for Singapore, Malaysia & Thailand) the distributor is ARMS RINDT, Ingle Road, Quetta, Tel: +43 -66 4430 6451, fax +43 6462 4214. I hope these are valid info., here I spent ~$650.00 for this Px4 INOX.

[Naseer]

Congrates Naseer
dats an Excellent piece of Beauty

Thanks, here is the pic of full kit of the gun and Russian appetite for this Italian Lady.
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[Naseer]

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Two Lasers for Cold Target Adjustment

[Fudgepacker]

I see no reason why a Beretta can not be compared against a Stoeger, or a Sig against a Taurus. We should all keep in mind that just because a pistol is "branded", that does not make it a good or better product by default. In my home market, a Glock is priced within $150 of a Norinco (which are often valued as a platform for building competition guns, due to their quality forging and superior metallurgy). So a gun's "cost" and "worth" are two different things. But what's really important to form an objective and informed opinion, is to specify parameters of comparison. Instead of saying a PX4 is better than gun "x" just because it's a Beretta, one must consider whether that's because it has an advantage in accuracy, reliability, comfort, capacity, materials, fit, finish... or does just being more exclusive make it "better"?

[raohadi]

I see no reason why a Beretta can not be compared against a Stoeger, or a Sig against a Taurus. We should all keep in mind that just because a pistol is "branded", that does not make it a good or better product by default. In my home market, a Glock is priced within $150 of a Norinco (which are often valued as a platform for building competition guns, due to their quality forging and superior metallurgy). So a gun's "cost" and "worth" are two different things. But what's really important to form an objective and informed opinion, is to specify parameters of comparison. Instead of saying a PX4 is better than gun "x" just because it's a Beretta, one must consider whether that's because it has an advantage in accuracy, reliability, comfort, capacity, materials, fit, finish... or does just being more exclusive make it "better"?
+11111111....................:) my thoughts exactly!!

[Enigmatic Desires]

I see no reason why a Beretta can not be compared against a Stoeger, or a Sig against a Taurus. We should all keep in mind that just because a pistol is "branded", that does not make it a good or better product by default. In my home market, a Glock is priced within $150 of a Norinco (which are often valued as a platform for building competition guns, due to their quality forging and superior metallurgy). So a gun's "cost" and "worth" are two different things. But what's really important to form an objective and informed opinion, is to specify parameters of comparison. Instead of saying a PX4 is better than gun "x" just because it's a Beretta, one must consider whether that's because it has an advantage in accuracy, reliability, comfort, capacity, materials, fit, finish... or does just being more exclusive make it "better"?


Here people buy on the basis of Status Symbols. I.e a PX Storm that costs a horrendous 450k here ($ 4500) approx. Would be in a league of its own simply by virtue of its price alone. if u dare tell the owner that his Storm is more or less the same as a Norinco which is worht around 10% of the price he has paid for his Storm.

He is liable to shoot U on principle!

I harbour much the same sentiment for Glockoholics as well! But again not to their face... I am tooo chicken!

[Aquarius]

@Naseesr.. are those lasers specifically made for PX4.. and can you ellaborate a little about the bullet shaped laser where in the gun it should be fixed..

[Dr Zakir]

For me it is exactly like stoeger so considering price difference in Pakistan I will pick a stoeger rather then paying 2500$ for storm

[Aquarius]

For me it is exactly like stoeger so considering price difference in Pakistan I will pick a stoeger rather then paying 2500$ for storm
+1 Dr sahib.. its the pedigree that PX4 is so expensive.

[Naseer]

For me it is exactly like stoeger so considering price difference in Pakistan I will pick a stoeger rather then paying 2500$ for storm

Here people buy on the basis of Status Symbols. I.e a PX Storm that costs a horrendous 450k here ($ 4500) approx. Would be in a league of its own simply by virtue of its price alone. if u dare tell the owner that his Storm is more or less the same as a Norinco which is worht around 10% of the price he has paid for his Storm.
He is liable to shoot U on principle!
I harbour much the same sentiment for Glockoholics as well! But again not to their face... I am tooo chicken!
Wow! $2500 or $4500 is a real rip-off. My gun cost was ~$650 and if I had opted for regular slide instead of INOX (stainless steel) the price would been lower. So who is taking away about $2000-$4000 from Px4 lovers in Pakistan?

[Naseer]

I see no reason why a Beretta can not be compared against a Stoeger, or a Sig against a Taurus. We should all keep in mind that just because a pistol is "branded", that does not make it a good or better product by default. In my home market, a Glock is priced within $150 of a Norinco (which are often valued as a platform for building competition guns, due to their quality forging and superior metallurgy). So a gun's "cost" and "worth" are two different things. But what's really important to form an objective and informed opinion, is to specify parameters of comparison. Instead of saying a PX4 is better than gun "x" just because it's a Beretta, one must consider whether that's because it has an advantage in accuracy, reliability, comfort, capacity, materials, fit, finish... or does just being more exclusive make it "better"?
My first gun PHP-MV9 was battle tested military gun. It was not 100% accurate though but I was sure that it won't burst in my hand. That gun was inspired by Beretta and P38, and my natural liking was the Italian touch. When my cousin disapproved the looks of my PHP-MV9 I had to shut him up by trading in my older gun for Px4 inox.

[Naseer]

@Naseesr.. are those lasers specifically made for PX4.. and can you ellaborate a little about the bullet shaped laser where in the gun it should be fixed..
The laser-max have a Px4 or its like as a model-gun on their page.
https://www.lasermax.com/ProductDetails/tabid/127/ProductID/490/Default.aspx I bought it since it didn't increase in the bulk of this fat-gun. I'll try to post pictures here when I do the cold test. The barrel-laser should be straight dot (double check through sight) and I would adjust the rail-laser dot with it.

[SMNAP]

When a person pays such a high amount for any particular weapon then obviously he will and mostly the other people will also claim that its much better then the cheaper weapons which are available in the market. Even though they might be more rugged and durable as compared to the pricy models...

In the end its all about consumer's perceptions and product positioning...

[Aquarius]

The laser-max have a Px4 or its like as a model-gun on their page.
https://www.lasermax.com/ProductDetails/tabid/127/ProductID/490/Default.aspx I bought it since it didn't increase in the bulk of this fat-gun. I'll try to post pictures here when I do the cold test. The barrel-laser should be straight dot (double check through sight) and I would adjust the rail-laser dot with it.
Thanks for the information Naseer bro.

[Enigmatic Desires]

Wow! $2500 or $4500 is a real rip-off. My gun cost was ~$650 and if I had opted for regular slide instead of INOX (stainless steel) the price would been lower. So who is taking away about $2000-$4000 from Px4 lovers in Pakistan?

No one. They happily give the amount away! If people stop buying at these insane prices either the weapon will disappear from teh market or the prices will come down.

I saw a local knock off copy of the storm in Karachi. No idea about reliability, durability, accuracy or that most important factor with local knock offs "kaboomability"

Asking price 125k Which comes to around $ 1250 for the weapon cause it simply looks quite like the real thing.

[alirablm]

Salaam everybody,

Please correct me if wrong!

Outside Pakistan, PX-4 gets compared also with Cougar (Stoeger).

Difference, besides ergonomics & switchable grip piece (PX4); is of polymer (PX4) & Metal (alloy - Cougar).

Having the same rotary barrel, recoil gets further dampened in Cougar due to density.

So many websites quote that if one prefers metal over polymer, he/she should choose Cougar over PX4.

The size of thick butt remains on both Cougar / PX4; which is a problem for people with normal to small hands. Indeed this remains common on all barreta models. Barreta tried to overcome this with a specially slim butt profiled gun call VERTEC. But for some reason did not pursue it:

http://www.sightm1911.com/lib/review/vertec.htm

The switching of grips (PX4) work a little towards it but does not curtail it effectively.

The latest product development philosphy of barreta is to make an extremely customizable hand gun (PICO); which is currently in compact or sub compact. But more sizes will be offered once it catches on.

http://dailycaller.com/2013/05/03/beretta-unveils-newest-pistol-the-pico/

The market in West is currently being driven by compacts / subcompact CCW. Most of the innovation is taking place here.

I replace / traded my Cougar for Shadow due to the small / medium hand issue. Given the choice, as i do not like polymer frame guns - I would choose Cougar over PX4.

Regards,

AliRabLM

[Fudgepacker]

Here people buy on the basis of Status Symbols. I.e a PX Storm that costs a horrendous 450k here ($ 4500) approx. Would be in a league of its own simply by virtue of its price alone. if u dare tell the owner that his Storm is more or less the same as a Norinco which is worht around 10% of the price he has paid for his Storm.

He is liable to shoot U on principle!

I harbour much the same sentiment for Glockoholics as well! But again not to their face... I am tooo chicken!
I know what you mean ED Bro, so sad, but so true :) I guess that mentality exists everywhere... be it with guns, clothes, watches, or cars. But this particular situation just bothers me. With most things, its universal that certain brands cost more than others (usually for a good reason), a Rolex always costs more than a Timex, like a Ferrari is always more than a Mitsubishi, everybody knows the relation. Just like everyone knows the REAL cost of Glocks and Berettas, and their real position in the gun world when compared to other brands. Yet, quadruple their price, and their respect and desirability goes up accordingly. BUT, what if all of a sudden Toyota started pricing their cars in the range of Rolls Royce. Would their prestige and demand go up along with their price? Would people still buy them?
Probably not.

I just don't get it! Maybe Glock should start selling cars!

[Aquarius]

Very well said.

[GUNFREAK]

I agree with you Fudgepacker. We are amazed also here in Pakistan that a pack of nicotine in the West cost $6-8 whereas we pay around $1. That's more than six hundred percent the price, insane for us. Wow! Point being, Every country has its own way of things thru taxes, availability of a certain product and other means.

Regards