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MIdreesTaj
22-03-2010, 01:45 AM
Introduction:
Purchased from PARA Mallview Lahore on 19th March. In the morning they were out of stock but they told me that their new shipment was due on the same day by 4pm. There was only 1 more 809 available in the whole market which was 809 B but I was opting for 809 E. B model has front serrations while E model doesn't have front serrations plus E model has a distinctive straight staged cut on the slide that runs through out its length which B model does not have. Personally and aesthetically I prefer E model so I had to wait till 4pm for the new shipment. There came 2 pieces of 809 E Stainless(Matte finish) in the new shipment. I checked both of them, disassembled both, checked out each and every part and specially the trigger on both to settle down with this pistol. Asking price was 63K settled on 57K + 3K for a cheap Laser module. This specific piece has date of birth printed on box sticker, 28/12/2009 which shows its only 3 months old.
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Shopping Experience:
It was so so. I liked PARA's attitude as they do let a customer field strip and inspect a weapon thoroughly including trigger inspection. But what went wrong was they first assured me for VISA transaction and later on when the deal was done they told me their VISA swapping machine was not responding. Any how I managed to pay them in cash with a cold grin on my face. More over, I met Abbas sb and Sohail sb at the shop with their Winchester 1300 and it was so nice meeting them both.


The choice make up:
I wanted a Hi cap modern 9mm pistol with best of the features available in latest generation of handguns. I intend to carry every now and then and do some fun shoot and also mild to serious combat shooting practice with the new pistol. Wanted a grip of my preference and a nice trigger to count on. My barrel choice was 5" for some sports shooting and always prefered hammer over striker fired mechanism with grip/trigger combo on top priority. I did want a picattiny rail for some fun factor indeed.


The Final Contest:
Contestants in my game were Taurus 24/7 OSS DS, Baikal MP-446, and the last Taurus PT 809. Literally scanned through all options available under 80k and narrowed down my choice to above three candidates.
Dropped out MP-446 only beccause of its aesthetics which inclined me towards Taurus 809, then dropped out OSS on how its so famous and well reputed 24/7 Grips felt not so good in my hand. It felt bad to let go 5" barrel of OSS and durability of MP-446.



What I like in 800 series:

Trigger:
I like the trigger. It came out as a top trigger in all 3 contestants. Crisp break felt like 4 to 5 pound in SA, however there is a free slack before that which is lengtheir than many good triggers in the pistol world. DA is very smooth and consistant pull but is heavy, felt around 10 to 11 pound. Now the best part is the trigger reset in SA mode. Reset is so small and close that it literally marvelled me. I can think of faster double taps and other drills in combat style shooting due to this feature which is so helpful in the sense. Please check this video to have the exact idea of the short reset trigger on this pistol: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVuOhJjG5Bs
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Grip:
I must say for me it was the Top Grip of all pistols I have handled in my life. All of them. In my opinion, when looking for a handgun, look for fit first. We shoot handguns that fit us a lot better than ones that don't. Resultingly it will automatically point better and you'll be more accurate with it. When you get the right gun into your hands, you will know it. So did I and the best thing is this model comes with 2 extra backstraps. NIB it is fitted with the Medium backstrap which I changed to Large. There is also a Small one for smaller hands.
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Sights:
Sights are 3-dot Novak type, white dot. Very visible and eye relaxing. They are dove tailed with the rare sight has a screw on it for windage adjustment only. I am satisfied with the feel of the sights as per my requirement and usage.
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Barrel and Recoil Spring:
Barrel is Hammer Forged Stainless steel. Not Hard Chromed which is just as good if you get what I mean. Feed ramp is polished and shiny accompanied by the frame feeding lip which is also polished. Recoil Spring rod is PLASTIC, sorry to say that I always wanted metal guide rod but anyway. It is Seecamp style(Seecamp company fitted their pistols with this type for first time) dual-captured guide rod. I like it as it is known to take more stress with higher pressure ammo or by higher mileage. 4th Gen Glock also introduced this type of recoil spring assembly in I think G21 please correct me if I am worng.
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Slide:
Slide is Inox Matte finish as mentioned on the box sticker and is made from forged steel. Thanks it is provided with matte finish and not a shiny one otherwise I would prefer to go with the Black finish. I chose SS over Black mainly because of hot humid climate in our cities. SS is very much more resistant to scratches caused by mis handling or extensive holster use and also to the humidity changes. Slide is well finished I must say 90% for the finish quality of the slide, both external and internal.
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Safeties:
She has it all. Can be carried cocked and locked (safety is flipped up). Safety parallel to slide is Ready position. Down is Decock. Safety lever is truely within the natural range of your thumb. I kind of loved playing with it up and down and that with a complete intact grip. You dont need to alter your hand grip to manipulate the safety lever and this has added a very nice and secure feel to the safety system.
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Form and Factor:
It is a lighter gun weight wise @ 800 grams but not in competition with lighter pistols in the market. Weight balance is perfect and feels centered i.e not muzzle heavy. 17 round magazine capacity, 1-spare magazine with a Magazine Loader provided in the box. Size I must say is not optimum as a carry piece, moreover rails on the frame makes it harder to carry. But best thing is that I have decided that I will carry it. Pistol is completely ambidextrous, which ever lever or button is on right side is present on the left side as well.


Specifications:

Let us have an overview of official 809 specs:

Caliber 9 mm (9X19 NATO)
Action Single and double action (SA/DA)
Capacity 17 shots
Barrel length 108.6 mm
Total length 197 mm
Total height 152 mm
Grip width 29 mm (grip) and 36 mm (levers)
Distance between sights 150 mm
Trigger pull weight SA: (2.0 - 3.0)kg - DA: (4.0 - 6.0)kg
Weight (w/empty magazine) 800 g
Sights Fixed,3 dots system - tritium (optional)
Materials Slide: carbon steel or stainless steel
Barrel: stainless steel - Grip (frame): polymer
Safety Devices Firing pin block
Manual safety & decocker - ambidextrous
Loaded chamber indicator
Taurus Security System
Slide - finishing Tenifer, blue or stainless
Rifling 6 grooves, right hand


Laser Module:
Initially I thought I did not have enough funds to purchase a Laser/torch module until I came across this cheaper than anything Laser for only 3K. Thing is a starter piece not for serious work though I doubt it would hold Zero perfectly. I did test it by jerking the pistol with it on the rails as hard as I could and did not see any change in aim. I'll see how it performs later on actual firing sessions. It came with additional weaver mounts and fits on the rails using picattiny mounts. It's model name is JG-5B Red laser with output of 5mW. I checked it in sunlight and it seemed very visible on sun lit wall.
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Other Remarks:
Slide to Polymer frame fitting is very loose. No big deal because slide has extremely rock solid fitting with steel inserts in the polymer frame. I tested it by violently jerking the pistol after removing magazines. No it does not rattle at all. Not by micro mm's. Barrel fit is A+. Tried to move the barrel from muzzle end with locked breech, again great that it does not show any movements.
I found this pistol very interesting as it has certain resemblances with many designs from other top handguns. For example, it field strips exactly like a Glock which I think is simplest on earth. Barrel Lugs and locking resembles that of a SIG P-series. Trigger system like 1911 on the grounds of Cocked and Locked carry and slide contours and distinctive lines like that of an HK. The grip, the backstrap and to some extent the form factor resembles FNP-9 pistol. This pistol is relitively new and doesn't have all that huge track records but who ever has handled it has given thumbs up to the accuracy and reliability that it delivered.
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NOTE: Viewers can have a look on this really fantastic video of 809 E doing a high round count which I found on youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0LTeme0vuw


UPDATES (17th April, 2010):
A Casual Range review of 809 out of the box...
Link: http://www.pakguns.com/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=116027#p116027


UPDATES (1st May, 2010):
Taurus PT 809 9mm (2nd range review)
Link: http://www.pakguns.com/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=119625#p119625

Regards.

Usama
22-03-2010, 02:15 AM
@midreestaj
Many congratz bro for your new purchase at a reasonable price! :cool:

Enigmatic Desires
22-03-2010, 03:40 AM
Taj sahib.. This has always been my favourite pistol amongst the veritable plethora of handguns out there.. Its a gr8 review.. eagerly awaiting her `baptism of fire`

khurramdool
22-03-2010, 06:19 AM
Congratulation bro, but above all very comprehensive and informative review, better than any site and very nice pro photographic skills... :D.

Gilani
22-03-2010, 07:05 AM
A very nice review Taj sahib. Will read it in detail again. Thanks for the effort :)

Salahuddin Ayubi
22-03-2010, 10:22 AM
Superb review and a great acquisition.

CONGRATULATIONS Bro.

Bullseye
22-03-2010, 10:44 AM
Nice clean pics and very well laid out review.

LionHeart
22-03-2010, 11:03 AM
@midreestaj:

Brother Many congrats for this new buying , Mashallah Its not only a great looking handgun but a nice performing pistol as well. I would like to really appreciate your efforts you have done in presenting this Great Review for this beauty, it really covers all aspects in details along with nice closeup photos. A Nicely Done Review. Best of Luck for Safe Fun.

regards,

Mitho
22-03-2010, 11:37 AM
congrats.

Aquarius
22-03-2010, 11:39 AM
Heartiest congrats on your new purchase Sir..... will be waiting for some more reveiws specially after firing it.........my querry is that what is 'E' stands for, because the ones I have seen is just PT809 written on the slide...... :)

Maximus
22-03-2010, 12:15 PM
Congrats sir. very wholesome review and classic photography. comprehensive review awaiting a range report :)

PsiFactor
22-03-2010, 12:33 PM
congrats on your new purchase Sir

Gunpsycho
22-03-2010, 12:54 PM
@MIDREESTAJ . Am simply Impressed :)

Sensei
22-03-2010, 01:01 PM
Hummm really extremely beautiful so greatly illustrated and detailed review indeed so fantastic and well written it is really a pleasure to read,well Midreestaj brother I must say that only about a gun this is one of the most attrective & comprehensive reviews I have ever seen on this forum very very nice job done
I congrats you from the core of my heart for your so beautiful new BABYhttp://s2.postimage.org/jSOti.gif (http://www.postimage.org/)

Aquarius
22-03-2010, 01:35 PM
@midreestaj: Sir the laser you mentioned (JG-5B) is made in China by LXGD & it also comes in green. I bought it too for my PT1911 and its performance is good....... Its not the best of lasers as compared to other expensive ones in the market, but performance wise its quite good in this price range...... :)

iffe
22-03-2010, 03:38 PM
great review. very informative

Slayerjatt
22-03-2010, 03:56 PM
lovely gun MASHAALLAH and excellent write up. congratulations on the new acquistion. and the E version certainly looks better.

Topak
22-03-2010, 06:21 PM
congrats Idrees for new toy.....
hope it will fit all your needs of shooting sports.

Starfish
22-03-2010, 07:18 PM
nice buy sir. Its a lovable little pack and i m sure you ll like it.

Mangloo Ramzani
22-03-2010, 08:20 PM
A pleasure to read and View! A great effort Taj sb! and ofcourse many congrats on ur new purchase :)

By the way, may I ask which camera u used for these pretty pics??

HammadArshad
23-03-2010, 12:23 AM
Masha Allah midreestaj brother, you have bought yourself a very beautiful beast :D and a very comprehensive and detailed review. Many congratulation and happy shooting, just don't forget to write a detailed range report.

AK47
23-03-2010, 02:30 AM
@midreestaj............Bro, that's called a REVIEW! Very detailed and to the point, indeed, one great pleasure to read about your new addition, nothing missed out from your description, containing ALL the info one could desire about the PT 809! Great work, GREAT PHOTOGRAPHY, nice description and best of heartfelt CONGRATS to you! I like it, the gun AND the review! :)

Well, about the JG-5, it's o.k indeed for a beginner level, though I must say I've seen shorter versions, yet let's first see your firing review with this one attached, pretty much interested to know about it's zero-retention capability, so do post, plz, soon.

I myself do have another 9mm in my consideration for next purchase, and this time around it's gonna be some full sized version like this excellent looking piece, since I already have a pair of CCW's. Even just talked to Sir Denovo about this on the phone, though my considerations are heavily towards the Turk two-tone "Kilinc", which even Abbas Sb appreciated over the phone.

The PT 809 of yours is a candidate now on my wish-list, yet would appreciate to see your detailed firing review of it soon, so do get to work bro as soon as convenient to you, let's know more about your new babe. Congrats again, and looking forward! :) Regards.

Dr Zakir
23-03-2010, 11:11 AM
Congratulation on your purchase

X_TATIK_GUNNER
23-03-2010, 12:03 PM
salaams to all
very nice review and personal likings :)
happy/safe shooting BRO

Gilani
23-03-2010, 05:35 PM
Read the review again and I must say, a very detailed and comprehensive review. Thanks for the effort and now waiting for the range results Sir :)

Shariq
24-03-2010, 12:23 AM
Comprehensive review. Congrats on new purchase.

Starfish
24-03-2010, 12:11 PM
oh and nice serial number taj sb :)

Kamranwali
24-03-2010, 01:09 PM
Salam Idrees Sb.

Congrats on your new purchase and a very comprehensive intial review.

do let us know how it shoots. Will be waiting eagerly.

Ahsanfurqan
24-03-2010, 04:23 PM
congrats nd very nicely reviewed

SPAYPANTHER
24-03-2010, 11:41 PM
best review

MIdreesTaj
25-03-2010, 11:41 PM
;)

Thank you guys I had really no idea you guys will like it that much and I feel happy that Ive been at service to you for the Gun Entertainment. :) I feel, the pleasure of acquiring a new weapon isn't complete without it being shared with your gun buddies. And by sharing, I meant to be very provocative.

Selection of a weapon like a handgun is a War of Mandatory Needs and Options. See.. after having seen gun buddies around you getting double minded and bogged down with less individual involvement in selection of handguns for themselves... I wanted and tried to stir it up. I believe a mind not gifted to discover truth but tenacious to hold it is better but even better a mind that discovers it and makes a choice out of all for itself. I tried to let you read my mind as when I was in process of acquiring a new handgun. I disclosed what I wanted VS. what was available. Tried to fit as many pictures as I could to cover all angles my eye got hold of. No doubt many angles are still there to be looked at by a gun enthusiast. Inshallah I will keep you guys posted on this pistol with its performance as soon as I get chances. No limit to that!

Disclaimer: I hope every body has own requirements and preferences. Only that every individual needs to explore these just like I gave you my own example about how exactly 'I' did it while you own yours.

@Usama God knows how much of a leech I had to be to get a reasonable price.
@Enigmatic Desires I didnt know you have same conclusions up your sleaves bro. Nice to know btw :)
@khurramdool Bro tried to be bit convincing through visuals, other wise pro photogaphy is far from what you see in the post.
@Gilani you were born with brass while I hardly make hand to mouth with it :) But defintely the justice will be to stoke it with new brass the sooner the better.
@Aquarius dont know what E stands for, however E has a different slide than the other variant. I hope the LXGD works well and hold its settings. I have zeroed it at 20M an 2" below point of aim.
@Sensei your comments are more of reading pleasure than the original post no doubt loved your comments.
@Mangloo Ramzani it is a mobile phone camera as I have no bigger thing at my disposal. It is Samsung SGH i900 a.k.a Omnia's 5MP camera. However pics were taken in 1600x1200p resolution which is lower than camera's full resolution. Macro mode shots were used for close ups.
@AK47 bro... loved your comments and appreciation. I feel really pressurized to put the gun and laser to test now. I have some difficult days going on regarding availability of shooting range. I do not promise but I'll try my level best to arrange a report in a month's time.
@Starfish.. thank you bro for the liking and the serial ofcourse I wish it was my phone number too

@Salahuddin Ayubi, Bullseye, LionHeart, Mitho, iffe, Slayerjatt, Topak, HammadArshad, Maximus, PsiFactor, Gunpsycho, Dr Zakir, X_TATIK_GUNNER, Sqnldr_Shariq, Kamranwali, ahsanfurqan and SPAYPANTHER, brothers thank you very much for the appreciation.

Regards.

Mangloo Ramzani
25-03-2010, 11:53 PM
;)
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@Mangloo Ramzani it is a mobile phone camera as I have no bigger thing at my disposal. It is Samsung SGH i900 a.k.a Omnia's 5MP camera. However pics were taken in 1600x1200p resolution which is lower than camera's full resolution. Macro mode shots were used for close ups.
...


Sir, I have to say that the pics are great and knowing now that they were taken from a phone cam ... I'm impressed even further!!
:D

Sensei
26-03-2010, 12:41 AM
Midreestaj Brother so many thanks for acknowlgement the fact it was that after watching the pics of 809 it was so hard to express my feelings in words oh, let me say that if PT 145 is like a Karishma Kapoor as this title is given it to by Denovo & now by AK47 (though it is more close to Rani Mukharji in my opinion small in size strong in built etc) so the PT 809 is like a
Katreena,reasonably big in size attrective and beautuful a blend of both East and West in simple words SHANDAR, this gun is so beautiful indeed if its range report comes in positive atleast with Chinese ammo if not with POF so I am sure it would be
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BERETTA M9 9mm
26-03-2010, 10:00 AM
Congrats on the new purchase bro

iffe
26-03-2010, 04:04 PM
Salam brothers

yesterday i went to lucky star to look for 809

Alharis had 809E and they were asking 72k final

and pioneer arms were asking 75k final
both were in two tone color and NIB.

@midreestaj
the price u got is really amazing

nesadeel
26-03-2010, 04:40 PM
Congrats bro on the new purchase

Usama
26-03-2010, 09:27 PM
Salam brothers

yesterday i went to lucky star to look for 809

Alharis had 809E and they were asking 72k final

and pioneer arms were asking 75k final
both were in two tone color and NIB.

@midreestaj
the price u got is really amazing

Alharis And Pioneer are both *******

Denovo87
26-03-2010, 09:52 PM
Congrats MIdreesTaj bro, One of the best reviews indeed. What made you not to go for OSS by the way??/ :)

Maximus
26-03-2010, 10:44 PM
@midreestaj

impressive bargaining skills. met ahsan the other day with naveed_pk bro. last rate we got was`nt so good. bought a cf98 with a friend yet my purchase was left lingering on. :D

let me know the next time you`re in lahore...we`ll go shopping ;)

12GAUGE
27-03-2010, 12:29 AM
Specifications:

Let us have an overview of official 809 specs:

Caliber 9 mm (9X19 NATO)
Action Single and double action (SA/DA)
Capacity 17 shots
Barrel length 108.6 mm
Total length 197 mm
Total height 152 mm
Grip width 29 mm (grip) and 36 mm (levers)
Distance between sights 150 mm
Trigger pull weight SA: (2.0 - 3.0)kg - DA: (4.0 - 6.0)kg
Weight (w/empty magazine) 800 g
Sights Fixed,3 dots system - tritium (optional)
Materials Slide: carbon steel or stainless steel
Barrel: stainless steel - Grip (frame): polymer
Safety Devices Firing pin block
Manual safety & decocker - ambidextrous
Loaded chamber indicator
Taurus Security System
Slide - finishing Tenifer, blue or stainless
Rifling 6 grooves, right hand


Bro, a very nice gun infact i'm not much of a "taurus person" but after seeing this piece even I was tempted for a second. Taurus has come a long way, specially with this 809 line. a wise choice indeed on your part. in my humble opinion, this particular model would definitely give other similarly priced guns a run for their money.

However i'm confused over few things that u've mentioned. firstly, the trigger pull in SA and DA instead of a consistent single figure, is quoted by "a range of 2kg-4kg". meaning the trigger would be one hell of a tricky thing to master in this instance cause its not consistent and would require different levels of force in SA mode and similarly would require different level of force in DA mode as well. second dont you think that the trigger pull is on the higher side in both SA and DA. 2KG would be like 4.4lbs and 4KG would be 8.8lbs in SA. now with 6KG of 13.2lbs in DA, IMHO, it would require nothing short of a hydraulic press to operate such a trigger mechanism. there goes the double tapping idea out the window no matter how short the trigger reset is.

second: the barrel length quoted by the company is 101.6mm or 4 inches whereas you said it 108mm. we are talking about pt809E right?

these are the few things that sorta concern me, otherwise no doubt, this probably is the best Taurus offering so far (IMHO) as long as they get the trigger issue solved.

Regards.

Ilyas
27-03-2010, 02:44 AM
@mit... heartiest congrats Bro! No doubt it's a nice gun, but I'm more impressed by the manner in which
you decided to go for this purchase... prioritizing your preferences with such clear mind :)
Regards!

MIdreesTaj
27-03-2010, 11:13 PM
@Mangloo Ramzani.. thank you janab :)
@Sensei.. and yet another great post from you. I was really surprised to know the comparison of gun with Kareena. What a jolly comparison... hats off to you :)
@BERETTA M9 9mm.. thank you brother.
@iffe.. bro karachi prices for this pistol are way too high. It should not be more than 60K.
@nesadeel... thank you brother.
@Maximus.. try again.. and again after few days with the same offer.. do not pay more than 60K max I hope you'll settle him down.
@Ilyas.. thanks alot for appreciating the review Sir! I'll say by understanding the essence of the review you have testified it's validity. :)

MIdreesTaj
27-03-2010, 11:34 PM
Congrats MIdreesTaj bro, One of the best reviews indeed. What made you not to go for OSS by the way??/ :)
Thanks Denovo brother for liking the review. Sir that is the most important question you asked which lately I've been asking my self just before the purchase believe me. OSS comes down in similarity with Springfield XD long slide(5" match barrel) and S&W M&P full size. Except for the Taurus 'Mega Lemon' theory followed by the Big Bang theory(both are true however) it is one of the top latest handgun designs that fulfills the role of offensive deployment of handguns (just a term used to denote SOCOM specs). Numerous people have shot 10 to 15k rounds in practical matches and during range times with this pistol. They testify to its superb shooting traits and accuracy. However, I 've felt it is the same taurus pistols which are more to most of the times in hands of rookies especially who shoot it after shooting a SIG and claim it is not as accurate and the same person after a few range sessions can be heard loud about how accurate the pistol was after he got used to somewhat different trigger the 24/7 has. :)
Bro, one of my personally laid spec for sports shooting and informal target was 5" barrel. OSS has got one 5.25" Match Grade and I love it. The whole choice make over turned down when I evaluated the grip of this pistol. It did not suit the structure of my hand so well. Although it was better than most pistols I've held but the pointability was felt even better in 800 series grip. Now that is my hand which let me loose OSS but it is still on my wish list. I wish M&P had a reasonable price as along with OSS it is also on my wish list. Same wishful thinking for the Springfiled XD/m's and the life goes on :)

Enigmatic Desires
28-03-2010, 12:57 AM
Bad trigger or no bad trigger.. me an Kage fox were discussing fondly on the availablility of this pistol looong before she hit our shores..

I dont think ANY pistol has the combination of features htat this pistol does at this price range..
No wonder dealers are over charging in karachi..It was in short supply at both tayyabaly an pioneer when i went there...

MIdreesTaj
28-03-2010, 12:06 PM
However i'm confused over few things that u've mentioned. firstly, the trigger pull in SA and DA instead of a consistent single figure, is quoted by "a range of 2kg-4kg". meaning the trigger would be one hell of a tricky thing to master in this instance cause its not consistent and would require different levels of force in SA mode and similarly would require different level of force in DA mode as well. second dont you think that the trigger pull is on the higher side in both SA and DA. 2KG would be like 4.4lbs and 4KG would be 8.8lbs in SA. now with 6KG of 13.2lbs in DA, IMHO, it would require nothing short of a hydraulic press to operate such a trigger mechanism. there goes the double tapping idea out the window no matter how short the trigger reset is.

second: the barrel length quoted by the company is 101.6mm or 4 inches whereas you said it 108mm. we are talking about pt809E right?


Very positive criticism 12gauge bro...
Taurus website is notorious for giving out ambiguous figures in product specs. These figures tend to vary between the published data on Brazilian website and US website.
(UPDATED from the provided manual)
They state pulls to be SA: (1.7 - 2.3)kg or (3.7 - 5)lb - DA: (3.5 - 4.8)kg or (7.7 - 10.5)lb .
However it doesn't mean that on a single specimen the DA/DA pull would vary shot by shot. It is rather very consistant and smooth pull with a very predictive and crisp let off.
So what this published data means? Well I myself am not sure about it, but it is just an assumption that what they mean is the trigger pull will finally smoothen out with time as it breaks in and the pull weight might come down. The barrel length as stated on US website is 4" which is an approx figure again I dont know why they put up approx figures. Manual says 4.2" or 107mm (Manual) which is exactly right as I checked it is slightly more than 4" on the scale.

MIdreesTaj
28-03-2010, 12:13 PM
I dont think ANY pistol has the combination of features htat this pistol does at this price range..
Agreed! + the trigger is far from bad... and just about near to great :) its just the confusion their IT staff has created by giving approx specs on website.

Maximus
02-04-2010, 11:58 PM
@Maximus.. try again.. and again after few days with the same offer.. do not pay more than 60K max I hope you'll settle him down.


lol. Naveed_pk bro was helpful as ever and since I insist to take him along for recreational visits to neela gumbad we went to get a mp446. or sometime along those lines. suddenly had a feel of the 809. was a good fit so planned changed. :)

Slayerjatt
11-04-2010, 07:11 PM
tried the 809 E today. not much of an expert in this department but i didn't like the trigger of the 809 E. we were firing 909, canik 55, daewoo dp51 and 809 and the trigger of the 809 seemed to be a lot heavier and the crisp part was really missing. could be only my experience but anthrax tried it and he had the same opinion too. asked maximus (the owner of the gun) to shoot my 909 and he seemed to agree too. does the trigger pull have to do anything to do with the breaking in? the gun also showed a couple of failure to fire (f.t.f) with chinese ammo which was really surprizing.

Denovo87
11-04-2010, 07:33 PM
SJ bro, on breaking in part you are right, trigger pull will certianly be lightened with passage of use.
But the worrying part is FTF, were these light strikes? I mean lighter than the ones that ignited OK.

Aquarius
11-04-2010, 08:32 PM
If this FTF had accured in POF then one can be justified because of their hard primers, but FTF in chinese rounds are a serious matter to consider. SJ bro did you try the second strike on those dud rounds...?

Slayerjatt
11-04-2010, 08:36 PM
yes we re-fired those rounds and they went off fine and the strikes were certainly lighter than the others.

Anthrax
11-04-2010, 09:28 PM
If this FTF had accured in POF then one can be justified because of their hard primers, but FTF in chinese rounds are a serious matter to consider. SJ bro did you try the second strike on those dud rounds...?

I tried the second strike on the dud round and it went off. The 809 was giving some troubles in Rapid Fire. Feel of the gun is amazing but performance wise it was normal. Was also shooting quite low than I expected. But in all fairness, it should be given a review after at least 500 rounds.

Btw, nice Riview, Midress. :)

Maximus
12-04-2010, 10:43 AM
Totally agree with you Anthrax. 500 rounds will let us know what this piece can do. :)

@ Aquarius
Bro didnt check any POF yet but mostly relied on Chinese rounds. wanted it to see if at first the feed is proper and consistent. rounds cycled perfect but light primer strikes on 2 chinese whitebox. was alarming at first but too quick to judge as my first 50 rounds went clean with no FTF/FTE.

Good session yesterday. Kudos to SlayerJ for the arrangements and setup.
Although I may have a biased opinion on this firearm I felt just the trigger travel distance was longer than average, specifically the 909 for this matter. The 809 made its debut with 72 rounds with 2 FTFs only, both on Chinese white box rounds. The ammo used was as follows:
- Chinese whitebox 40
- Chinese redbox 22
- Armscor Precision HPs 5
- Russian Wolf 5
The grip is a snuggly fit and the weight feels well distributed. With manaegable recoil the target reacquisition was easy but I still have practice with my target shooting skills. and although I agreed with SlayerJ about the double strike feature he rightly said..." Why would a gun company make such a feature??" and later answered jokingly "......unless they already know its not gonna fire right the first time! " :D. Whatever the case 93% chances of the round going off on the second strike so its all good according to the technical brochure and practical experience.

aneekgee
12-04-2010, 11:35 AM
Taj sahib your handgun is outstanding.congratulations.what is its firing range?

aneekgee
12-04-2010, 11:36 AM
your handgun is also very beautiful Taj sahib.

Aquarius
13-04-2010, 11:43 AM
If this FTF had accured in POF then one can be justified because of their hard primers, but FTF in chinese rounds are a serious matter to consider. SJ bro did you try the second strike on those dud rounds...?

I tried the second strike on the dud round and it went off. The 809 was giving some troubles in Rapid Fire. Feel of the gun is amazing but performance wise it was normal. Was also shooting quite low than I expected.

I have no experience with the PT809 but I tried its elder brother PT845 and I had similar experience of very low shooting, almost a yard below the target at 15yards as I have mentioned in one of my previous post as well, therefore (Thanks god) I went for PT 1911 instead. ........ :)

Shooter101
13-04-2010, 03:01 PM
Nice Choice,it has good capacity magazine

MIdreesTaj
13-04-2010, 10:01 PM
Maximus it is great to know that you have a 809 now... Tell us how much you paid for it and where did you get it from? you are such a silent striker indeed :)


rounds cycled perfect but light primer strikes on 2 chinese whitebox. was alarming at first but too quick to judge as my first 50 rounds went clean with no FTF/FTE.
Above, I read the comments from Slayerjatt and Anthrax brothers about lighter firing pin strikes on the primers. I feel bad in simple words and a bit surprised too as lighter primer indentations were heard in case of 24/7 series and never for the hammer fired 800 series. Although they were 2/72 rounds fired but still it should not happen ideally. Sir please do your pistol a favor. You will require a degreaser here in a can spray configuration. Thoroughly clear the firing pin channel with it. Let it dry out and do not oil in the firing pin channel after it. Do it before the next firing session you may have. I would not advise you to disassemble the firing pin channel altogether right now, but later if the results are not satisfactory you'll need that too. We can then look for a bent firing pin spring, any possible obstruction such as a metal shaving or some nasty piece of sticky gunk that didnt help out with ordinary spraying of degreaser. I hope for you the ordinary spraying works out.



about the double strike feature he rightly said..." Why would a gun company make such a feature??" and later answered jokingly "......unless they already know its not gonna fire right the first time! " :D. Whatever the case 93% chances of the round going off on the second strike so its all good according to the technical brochure and practical experience.
This double strike is a true feature or rather an innovation on all Taurus "DS" (double strike) models in 24/7 line of pistols. Once firing pin is released on trigger pull, it can be recocked and then released by a subsequent trigger pull which works similarly to DA pull in traditional DA hammer pistols. Instead of a hammer a striker fired system is found in all 24/7s therefore they are named as Double Strike "DS" capable. Very few handguns are able to do this. Now coming to 800 series they are hammer fired traditional Double Action/Single Action Pistols. All DA/SA pistols have ability to fire DA if the hammer is un-cocked. So in case of 800 series it nothing new it is only hyped by Taurus U.S marketing in their brochures and web sites. 800 pistol is a common DA/SA pistol indeed and it is not justified to call it a double striker. 24/7 DS models are double true strikers.

MIdreesTaj
13-04-2010, 10:19 PM
If this FTF had accured in POF then one can be justified because of their hard primers, but FTF in chinese rounds are a serious matter to consider. SJ bro did you try the second strike on those dud rounds...?

I tried the second strike on the dud round and it went off. The 809 was giving some troubles in Rapid Fire. Feel of the gun is amazing but performance wise it was normal. Was also shooting quite low than I expected.

I have no experience with the PT809 but I tried its elder brother PT845 and I had similar experience of very low shooting, almost a yard below the target at 15yards as I have mentioned in one of my previous post as well, therefore (Thanks god) I went for PT 1911 instead. ........ :)

Aquarius brother I was amazed to know you shot a yard below the target at ONLY 15M with this pistol. For that to manifest in reality, either of the two or both of these flaws must be there in the 845 you fired:

1- The barrel had a clearly visible(to human eye) droop in complete lockup with slide. It rather had a tilted drop in fit which by itself required a specially tailored slide and locking blocks to function.

2- The height of the ridiculous front sight was nearly double of that of rear sight.

Now please confirm which one or both of the flaws do you think were there? :)

To my understanding, even I would not completely rule out the possibility of such flaws ever existed in a production gun would still recommend any one to better understand the grip of the new pistol. The errors are mostly in our shooting. The grip and the trigger they are, specially in a new pistol that we were not familiar to and more over if the new pistol had entirely different ergonomics than the hand guns we were used to fire such can happen :) and brother please dont mind my funny tone in this comment... More respect to you dear.

Denovo87
13-04-2010, 10:25 PM
Good suggestion to adress the problem of light primer strike MIT bro, one correction Taurus never used DS for double strike but it stands for Decocker Safety and its available in their newer 24/7 platform based OSS models.

MIdreesTaj
13-04-2010, 11:01 PM
@Denovo87 infact you are right brother :) It is decocker safety and not double strike. Double strike is just the word they use to describe their trigger action. Actually I was aware of both terms just mixed them up and find a good chance to explain it since I am adding a new comment already :)

Taurus 24/7 series featuring safety lever position down as a decoker, with position up as cocked and locked or safety engaged and middle position as ready is very first and foremost to implement this idea in striker fired pistols. Although many would say it as moving away from simplicity of design and function which often results in lowering the probability of reliability. One could think of it as a plus point for a common civilian user who likes to carry the pistol on self 24/7. Good useful feature indeed for commonality.

Aquarius
13-04-2010, 11:05 PM
@Midreestaj: bro non of these flaws you mentioned above (the barrel tilted drop & the low front sight) were there in the gun, therefore I was quite amazed. And onething more is that its not only my 845 which was shooting too low. A fellow colleague with another 845 shooting at the same time had similar problem of very low shooting.

Maximus
14-04-2010, 12:07 AM
Thanks MIdreestaj bro for the clearing up the hype of the double strike feature. I didnt fully comprehend the whole marketing campaign in the first place either as long as the round goes off the second time i`m all satisfied.
I also believe it was the buildup of residue with a marginal amount of oil that may have caused the FTFs.
The mags were initially fully loaded with 17 rounds and oiled with a very light film a day prior to usage. I may have tipped over a little too much influencing the performance of the firing pin also. Will take your advice and cleanse it thoroughly.

btw got my piece from Para too and a little under 60k. had some armscor hps thrown in the deal too.
posted it elsewhere on new purchases thread with pics.

@dannybro
thanks for the info on DS. i liked the 24/7 OSS but longer barrels arent always what the doctor ordered :lol:

@Aquarius bro
the PT1911 is a classic and in a league of its own but a yard at 15 yards is steep IMHO even for an 845. Will update once i get through another hundred or so rounds. good observation though

Gilani
14-04-2010, 12:47 AM
Thanks MIdreestaj bro for the clearing up the hype of the double strike feature. I didnt fully comprehend the whole marketing campaign in the first place either as long as the round goes off the second time i`m all satisfied.

Sir, IMHO, first strike is what we should expect from our guns :)

Slayerjatt
14-04-2010, 01:22 AM
+1 gillani sb. a pistol should go bang everytime the trigger is pulled if you are feeding it with good ammo.

Shariq
14-04-2010, 05:03 AM
Gunk in firing pin channel may cause light strikes as elaborated by midreestaj Bro.
Saw one PT-915 owned by a guest of a range member having FTF due to same problem. Abbas bro gave it a thorough cleaning after which the problem vanished. A Stoeger Cougar had the same problem owned by a member of PG which performed well after the same treatment.

Striker1
14-04-2010, 09:41 AM
Great effort1

Maximus
14-04-2010, 10:53 AM
Thanks MIdreestaj bro for the clearing up the hype of the double strike feature. I didnt fully comprehend the whole marketing campaign in the first place either as long as the round goes off the second time i`m all satisfied.

Sir, IMHO, first strike is what we should expect from our guns :)

veru true sir. just that giving the firearm the benefit of doubt until it reaches the 200rounds mark at least with Chinese ammo.
ideally it should go bang the first time....with no exceptions :)

Maximus
14-04-2010, 10:54 AM
Gunk in firing pin channel may cause light strikes as elaborated by midreestaj Bro.
Saw one PT-915 owned by a guest of a range member having FTF due to same problem. Abbas bro gave it a thorough cleaning after which the problem vanished. A Stoeger Cougar had the same problem owned by a member of PG which performed well after the same treatment.

Thanks Shariq brother for sharing that. I hope this is the case and the FTF issue remains resolved.

MIdreesTaj
17-04-2010, 09:38 PM
Taurus PT 809 9mm performance out of the box (Casual range review)

Introduction:
I am sorry brothers I dont have any place to shoot right now as my own place is going under some constructions as soon as they're done Inshallah I'll be doing serious reviews on this pistol. For this little out of the box testing I had to go in suburbs where I was able to fire 50 rounds in total before a man from nearby Dera came to us asking us to stop it before their enemies are alarmed. I knew these people have enimies around and gun going off could easily offend them so we packed up and moved.

Pistol: Taurus PT 809 E 9mm
Caliber: 9mm
Sights: 3-Dot white Novaks
Target: Hand made
Distance of Target: 15 Meters +1,2 Meters approx, I did not measure the distance but it was surely not exactly 15 meters but slightly on the greater side
Ammo: Russian Ulyanovsk Cartridge Plant, Steel case (lacquered green casings not polly coated grey ones), 06 batch and 115 grains
Shooting Stance: Two handed in standing position

809 Firing Video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DWYMuE_1dSc
Nokia N97 Mobile camera was used in video as well as photo shooting. I disclose this for the sake of any one having curiosity to know it. :)

Comments:
It was good to feel this gun shooting in my hands for the very first time. I was surprised of the feel of it firing and cycling in my hands as it is so very much different from other pistols I have shot. This is true with every gun indeed. Evey pistol has its own character and way of behaving. It took me a while to understand how she kicked and how to grip her to get the results. I must say I'll need a 100 round session to learn this new pistol. I had the chance to fire total 22 rounds myself and rest were fired by two of my friends. My bad, the session could not extend as I mentioned we had to move out early due to reasons.

Feeding firing and ejection was flawless and without any sort of malfunctions. Firing pin intendations on primers were centered and consistent. Ejection of spent casings was very consistent that it later occured to me all the casing were lying on the ground piled in the same spot. Upon firing the 809 muzzle flip is greater than 92 clone due to lesser wait but felt recoil was surprisingly minute. I think it is due to polymer frame and grip that pistol seems to kick a lot lesser in hands.

I was firing after a long period of a little more than 3 months now and more over pistol is new to me out of the box so couldnt stoke it to max but it has the potential no doubt. The consistency in accuracy (all my fault btw) story would change drastically once I get through another 100 rounds.
Pistol shot 10 O' clock 1" higher and 2" off to left of the bulls eye. My current grip and trigger technique favors the idea to move my rear sight(drift adjustment) a bit to right few micro mm's and point of impact will be minus 2" right on the line crossing bullseye. I was currently using Hold Over technique in sight picture. Considering the shots impact bit higher I have decided to use 6 O' clock hold for the next time to bring POI down by 1". I hope to print on the bulls eye next time. :)

Target Pics:
http://s2.postimage.org/KfN1A.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=TsKfN1A)
Above: Fired 8 rounds, 6 rounds in under 3" group @ 15 meters with 2 fliers due to variation in my technique. That is why it is said practice is the most important.
http://s2.postimage.org/KfS0S.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=TsKfS0S)
Above: Fired 10 rounds @ 15 meters, 8 rounds again in under 3" group with 2 fliers.
http://s2.postimage.org/KfUw0.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=TsKfUw0)
Above: Fired 4 rounds @ 15 meters, 3 impacts in 1.5" group with 1 flier.
http://s2.postimage.org/KfZvi.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=TsKfZvi)
Above: The lacquer coated green steel spent casings from Russian Ulyanovsk Cartridge Plant. You can see the primer indentations consistent and centered. This ammo is not a HOT AMMO like POF Mk/PIIz. Even chinese ammo is more hotter than this stuff. I could easily verify it by the kick and muzzle blast as I dont wear ear plugs during shooting 9mm' handguns.

Aquarius
18-04-2010, 12:16 PM
Very nice shooting MIdreestaj brother... thanks for sharing.. :)

Gilani
18-04-2010, 08:38 PM
Thanks for sharing the range results Idrees sahib. Good shooting BTW :)

KageFox
20-04-2010, 01:09 PM
Finally, a great write-up on this much awaited Taurus! Kudos to MidressTaj, for a great review, amazing photographs and a shooter's analysis on the gun. Nice to see this gun gives pretty sufficient accuracy within a combat/ tactical range.

Now to wait for its compact counterpart to hit Pakistan...

iffe
20-04-2010, 02:01 PM
@MIdreestaj

great review
good to know that this gun is better then the previous experience of our members

MIdreesTaj
24-04-2010, 05:19 PM
@Aquarius and Gilani brothers thanks for liking the review and shooting, inshallah will put more reviwes so that you all can judge it in a better way. Let the round count grow...i will seriously criticize its survival instincts :)

@KageFox bro great to see you after a long time, you and ED both I know were waiting long way before 800series arrived Pak... To tell you truth despite the notority I love this Taurus it reminds me of many good things.. :)

@iffe you cant ignore what others experiences are, but do take mine.. with a 50 round down its pipe it behaved like a lovely gun.. light weight, well balanced, easy to strip and assemble, trigger and sights are great, accuracy is great wrt its form n factor ergonomics etc all is good indeed.

Maximus
26-04-2010, 12:59 PM
nice review MT. was in your locality yesterday and was finding a way to contact you.
Anyways had a good session of 125 rounds at an "undisclosed" location. a spontaneous invite by a friend to test out his firearms and some R&R.

The 809 handled well all the rounds fired which included 25 chinese redbox, 50 whitebox and 50 Norinco 9mm 95yr batch(quite old). I found the sound of the whitebox to be clear and sharp. Positive feedback from all ammo used with no FTF/FTE/FTFire. The re-cleaning of the firing pin and proper lubing did the job well as suggested by SS. as always couldnt get targets on such short notice and not much of an artist so did away with them. Pardon me for the lack of targets. will arrange one from now to get it do an orthodox test as tailored by GilaniBro.

Shot at ceramic tiles from 15m with good results. Had a chance to load POF2z which but passed on the idea till I got to at least 300 round mark. Primer strikes were clean and centre, not as light as before in the initial runs. I suppose the firearm was`nt cleaned as extensively as it should have been. Will make sure its dones properly each time. WD-40 did well for clearing the residue.

Another good performer was the CF98 which was shot NIB after a lot of degreasing and oiling. a total of 50 rounds with zero FTF/FTE/FTfire. But everything is stiff in a CF, rest is accurate.

Any experience with POF 2z in Tauruses?

before
http://s3.postimage.org/1GfDJ.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=Pq1GfDJ)

after.left with two HPs for the journey back, and a handful of .30s.
http://s1.postimage.org/qLgT9.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gxqLgT9)

Aquarius
26-04-2010, 03:03 PM
Nice shooting Maximus brother... glad to see improvement in performance of your PT 809 than before... hope to see further improvement next time, because it still needs some 200 more rounds for fully breaking in, specially regarding its trigger... best of luck........ :)

Maximus
26-04-2010, 03:15 PM
Thanks Aquarius bro. will go prepared next time with targets to post results. Any idea on whether one should use POF 2z rounds early in breaking in period?

Shariq
26-04-2010, 03:59 PM
No harm in using 2Z round in break in period. You just need about 2oo to 300 rounds to soften few springs in the mechanism and proper seating of moving parts. That is all.

Shariq
26-04-2010, 03:59 PM
God Willing you'll not face any FTF in future. A colleague of mine has fired even few local rounds with it without any issues.

Aquarius
26-04-2010, 07:52 PM
Thanks Aquarius bro. will go prepared next time with targets to post results. Any idea on whether one should use POF 2z rounds early in breaking in period?

Yes ofcourse why not...provided the POF 2Z are ginuine and not 2# as is quite common these days.. means you have to get it from a very reliable dealer.... :)

9mm Luger
26-04-2010, 08:39 PM
Congrats Maxius

Its one heck of a gun and am delighted to know that its serving well after the initial scare!! :P

MIdreesTaj
26-04-2010, 09:56 PM
@Maximus brother good to know that clearing firing pin channel worked out for you! It is lot easier than complete disassembly of it for resolving light strikes issue. Btw the piece you got is the one which was lying disassembled with the one I got infront of me at PARA. I can say I know your gun too I take it as a coincidence :)

Nice one man.. I liked the idea of Guns and R&R :) you can always drop me a message on my youtube (link visible under my Avatar) inbox once you're in my vicinity.

Again I have no doubts that your 809 will perform in future and it should as a very well designed gun. BTW using MK/P2z is of no issue for breaking in. It would have mattered If you used a 500 foot pound ammo for breaking in a new gun. All you need is repetitive firing to smoothen out internal metal parts to conform with each other. Just like you do repititive light weight dumbbells to burn extra fats. :)

Good luck.

Gilani
26-04-2010, 11:14 PM
Maximum brother, very nice shooting trip.

As Shariq sahib, Idrees sahib and Aquarius brother mentioned, there would no problems with POF2Z. I have fired thousands and thousands of rounds of POF2Z with many handguns, and except with Taurus 24/7 and Akdal Ghost and occasional FTfeeds with CF98 and Stoeger Cougar, there have never been any problems with any handgun. As per my experience, POF2z is quiet an accurate ammo. I have seen POF2Z making better and consistent groups than Chinese and Armscor ammo.

Maximus
27-04-2010, 12:00 PM
@ Shariq brother
Thats relieving to know that 2Z can be fired early with no issues. I was concerened about the harder primer and considered the pistol to phase out the break-in rounds. Will try InshAllah next time.

@ Aquarius bro
I will hope to get my hands on ammo from the best source available to me. or borrow some from our friendly Armed Forces :)

@ MT bro
Hopefully next time will have you tag along so we can do some more assessments. And I do believe you have seen my firearm before I even bought it, because I too disassembled all three pieces at the shop with Ahsan laughing away at my quest for finding the "right one". :D

@ Gilani brother
Thank you for the advice. If it leads to more accurate groupings and more shots on bull than i`m all for testing the round. Will also experience with the CF. I`m just so reluctant to buy them directly through any dealer with reloading stories so rampant everywhere.I`m sure it can still be arranged through different sources.

MIdreesTaj
02-05-2010, 09:48 PM
Taurus PT 809 9mm (2nd range review)

Pistol: Taurus PT 809 E 9mm
Caliber: 9mm
Sights: 3-Dot white Novaks
Barrel: 4.2 Inches
Target: A4 paper printed ones. Rifle target type selected as bigger the target difficult it gets to print it
Distance of Targets: 15 Meters, 18 Meters and 20 Meters non-measured distances (approximate figures), rapid shooting from 10 and 7 Meters
Ammo: Russian Ulyanovsk Cartridge Works Steel case ammo, Chinese White Box and POF 2Z ammo
Shooting Stance: Two handed in standing position

809 Firing Videos:

Shooting Taurus PT 809 on 15M & 18M Targets ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KPZV8RWK7-w )
Taurus Pistol PT 809 9mm @ 20M targets ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5PHDZSQSKo )
Pistol Rapid shooting Taurus PT 809 9mm ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R10vZ_DtMBo )

Comments:
Test was done on 1st May, 10 in suburban area of my city. Very bright and sunny day it was and hot too.

I had adjusted the sights after my first range test but found out on this range test that I had some how over adjusted. Average POI which was left of the bull had now completely moved to right of the bull. :) My mistake anyway and I have planned to take the key which works the adjustment screw along with me to get live feedback.

Pistol still shot on the average about 2" higher than POA even that I used 6 O' clock hold, as decided after what had resulted in the first range test. For the next test I will modify my grip backstraps because I have a feeling that when 'Tightly' gripped, the more protruding back strap buldge of the Largest one that I have installed, kind of over lightens the muzzle and I felt it quite jumpy and free floating. More practice will also resolve this issue as it will eventually change my former gripping habbit in the persuit of results.

I choose 15/18/20M distances from the target this time with 10 and 7M for rapid shoot. POF 2Z ammo was the worst in performance from this pistol in this range experience. Chinese was a lot better. UCW Russian was the best so far. But as always, more power to practice as it continues. I have a feeling that POF FMJ vs. 809's 4.2" barrel did not mate along well provided the gripping technique I am currently using. I have not disregarded POF ammo on this one experience rather I am 99% sure of shooter's errors on a different ammo which may not be the top accurate load for this pistol. But I do expect it to shoot in a bit modest manner next time than what it did perform on this range test.

Fired total of 115 rounds out of which 25 were Chinese, 50 POFs and 40 UCWs. 100% reliability in these 115 shots with no Feed/Extract/Eject or Fire failure. Gun has done with zero malfunctions so far with 165 rounds of its total life, let us see what more we can get in the reliability department.

As a side note I would like to share that I have been carying this piece off and on these days and it serves well for IWB conceal carry for me.

Target Pics:

http://s2.postimage.org/KYu9r.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=TsKYu9r)
Above: Fired 8 rounds of UCW ammo from 15M, target size 6" dia, group size under 4" between two farthest holes.

http://s1.postimage.org/PEHji.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gxPEHji)
Above: Fired 8 rounds of Chinese White Box from 15M, group size 5" between two farthest holes.

http://s4.postimage.org/aZqpi.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=aVaZqpi)
Above: Fired 9 rounds of POF from 15M, there was no relevant group size with these. I used 4 different targets with POF, but the results were similar to this target i.e scattered holes with 2-3 fliers.

http://s4.postimage.org/b07Fr.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=aVb07Fr)
Above: Fired 17 rounds of Chinese WhiteBox from 18M, group size was under 7", clustering of shots was quite ok but did not form a subtle grouping.

http://s3.postimage.org/mP6ri.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=PqmP6ri)
Above: Fired 15 rounds of UCW ammo from 20M, group size was 5" between two farthest holes, with 3 fliers which impacted a cm" above the target papers upper boundary.

http://s1.postimage.org/PK71S.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gxPK71S)
Above: Fired rapid in increasing rate of fire, 10 rounds from 10M with 2 shots/sec, 4 rounds from 7M with quicker aimed shots and then 6 rounds from 7M with point shooting style with even quicker follow up shots.

Final Note: The session was good as I got a bit more familiarity with the new pistol. Hope to carry on like this with new surprises to come :)

Regards.

Aquarius
02-05-2010, 10:43 PM
Great shooting MIdreesTaj brother.. hope to see more improvement in the future.. best of luck..... :)

Faisji
02-05-2010, 11:20 PM
Nice vids MIdreesTaj.This guns looks its the business.

Skeeter60
02-05-2010, 11:25 PM
keep it up Idreestaj let us see you shoot more and better groups

MIdreesTaj
03-05-2010, 09:26 PM
Thank you Aquarius and Faisji.
@Skeeter60, sir ji I will try my level best and you know we cant help it especially with you as battery.
:)

Apalo
03-05-2010, 09:42 PM
@MIdrees TAJ
sir just because of you i bought a new PT 809 today, although not was in my plans but after reading your thread i changed my mind and now i am with you in the group.

Aquarius
03-05-2010, 11:39 PM
Congratulations on your new purchase apalo brother...... :)

Faheem
04-05-2010, 07:23 PM
MIdreesTaj sir very nice shooting.

Apalo brother congrtas for your new purchase....

Usama
04-05-2010, 07:31 PM
apalo
Congrats bro on your new purchase..

MIdreesTaj
04-05-2010, 09:39 PM
Thanks Faheem and apalo brothers.


@apalo, Congrats for the new gun bro :)
btw dont worry apalo a bit of each group has us, the sig the glock the h&k and the browning we have it in it's design. Look for it and you'll see.

brother but I would like to ask you whether your purchase decision solely based on my review and thoughts about this gun, or you really looked for features that this gun is able to address?

Apalo
04-05-2010, 11:24 PM
thank you @Aquarius,Faheem,Usama

@MIdrees Taj
thank you and let me tell you, i have a plan for 9mm but i was not planning for PT809, but after reading to your review and comments from other expert members, i decided to buy this one, so the main reason is, no doubt , its features but all this come to my knowledge through you so i am thankful too.

kasana
04-05-2010, 11:49 PM
adrees taj bro i wanna get sum usefull info about ur experience with this gun. can u share ur e mail with me if u dont mind. i found only one person who is useing this gun so plz help me. ma e mail address is fahadkasana@yahoo.com
plz mail me ur contact number i will contact u. am waiting for ur mail.

ACHILLES
05-05-2010, 12:18 AM
Nice. Good Choice.

Topak
05-05-2010, 12:57 PM
nice shooting idrees,
hope next time you will keep the Lkey to adjust the sights for live response.
between pistol has don good job for you,having create no issue in firing session.
once again congrats on such good buy.

Maximus
05-05-2010, 03:00 PM
good update MTbro. I contacted you a bit late but nevertheless got your contact details now. next session is a must. had a pleasurable evening session again in your locality with some "special" items so i`d rather not disclose.

congrats on your purchase apalo. solid piece. remember to degrease properly/thoroughly and fully lubricate prior to use as prescribed and it`ll save you the agony of thinking whether you had a FTF/FTE caused primarily by ammo or just a greased up gun in all the wrong places.

Skeeter60
05-05-2010, 10:13 PM
Thank you Aquarius and Faisji.
@Skeeter60, sir ji I will try my level best and you know we cant help it especially with you as battery.
:)

Thanx. I think it is about time we meet up in lahore or at gujranwala if you promise a good lunch

MIdreesTaj
05-05-2010, 10:27 PM
@apalo I got your point. I think its good you made your mind in direction of your preferences. and we all gun brothers are here to tell our experiences. Now shoot it and share your experience with us, dont make it a safe queen :) Also as best advised by maximus, bathe and brush your gun's all crevices and corners including firing pin hole with Kerosene Oil before the first take on.
@Topak thank you very much bro.. inshallah next time we will do range test together
@Maximus bro now I am curious about the special items and I doubt these couldnt be RPG's. :)

MIdreesTaj
05-05-2010, 10:37 PM
Thanx. I think it is about time we meet up in lahore or at gujranwala if you promise a good lunch
Sir I will myself visit you next time I am in Lahore and lunch is promised in advance... Please kindly mention your regular email address, i'll be much oblidged. Thanks alot.

Apalo
06-05-2010, 12:05 AM
@apalo I got your point. I think its good you made your mind in direction of your preferences. and we all gun brothers are here to tell our experiences. Now shoot it and share your experience with us, dont make it a safe queen :) Also as best advised by maximus, bathe and brush your gun's all crevices and corners including firing pin hole with Kerosene Oil before the first take on.:)
bro i am waiting for the response from Gilani bhi, as i am not an expert,so i want to be with an experienced person for its cleaning, although i open the gun but still have some quires and want to solve them, so looking for the kindness of the Gilani bhi as he is the only member living near to me.

Skeeter60
06-05-2010, 12:38 AM
Thanx. I think it is about time we meet up in lahore or at gujranwala if you promise a good lunch
Sir I will myself visit you next time I am in Lahore and lunch is promised in advance... Please kindly mention your regular email address, i'll be much oblidged. Thanks alot.

<jawedu@hotmail.com>

Gilani
07-05-2010, 01:03 AM
Idrees sahib, a very nice review again and good shooting too. Taurus 809 really looks to be a nice handgun to have :)

Apalo bhai, Sorry for a late reply; I remain quite busy nowadays and that is why you see my posts written during late hours. Please contact me on muhaider95@yahoo.com, I will be glad to be of any assistance that you need. :)

ARlover
07-05-2010, 03:56 PM
Idrees bro your 809 range report is exelent

Apalo
08-05-2010, 06:30 PM
Apalo bhai, Sorry for a late reply; I remain quite busy nowadays and that is why you see my posts written during late hours. Please contact me on muhaider95@yahoo.com, I will be glad to be of any assistance that you need. :)

its ok bro, i just send you the mail and hope to see you soon.inshAllah

Gilani
08-05-2010, 07:58 PM
Apalo bhai, your cell is not responding. Please attend the number with 64 as last two digits :)

Apalo
09-05-2010, 12:23 AM
sorry bro, because of a death in my neighbors i left my mobile at home, and came back late. i was thinking about you while checking my miss calls,will call you in the morning inshAllah

MIdreesTaj
25-05-2010, 10:18 PM
Pistol: Taurus PT 809 E 9mm
Caliber: 9mm
Sights: 3-Dot white Novaks
Distance of Target: 15 Meters
Target: A4 Paper, printed type, diameter 6 inches
Barrel: 4.2 inches
Ammo: Polytech Chinese FMJ
Shooting Stance: Defensive style Two handed in standing position (proper isosceles)

Comments: Fired total of 22 rounds. Day was way too HOT to handle and by merely getting myself to the range area I was dripping from head to toe in sweat. Soon the wind started blowing and it kept on getting faster. I found it hard to concentrate on shooting as due to open area there was too much wind blowing from 9 O clock position. The speed of wind was nearly 40km and I couldnt stop my arms from swaying across the shooting line. I was literally holding the gun on target and praying for the wind to slow down a bit and then shoot before it would start again.

Chinese ammo was flawless in functionality. I think chinese ammo especially this one (polytech) is hotter than both POF and Norinco 9mm. They produce more decibels as compared to the rest.
6 O' clock hold was used and shots were fired in defensive shooting stance (Isosceles). Shots were fired with 2 shots Per 3 seconds approximate but with several gaps due to exceeding pressure of wind on arms.

Constant wind was the main factor which did not let me improve this time and later on I decided to cancel the shoot out for next week. It was better to stop rather waste Rs 45 a round which is the current price chinese are available at. POF is facing a huge shortage here and they're selling around Rs 50 a round.

I appologize for not coming up with a full length range report with pictures and videos but once paper holed deserves to be displayed in my opinion. Also I am happy that I still shoot no matter how unlucky I was :)


http://s1.postimage.org/fkyZr.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gxfkyZr)
Fired 10 shots with 10 hits with a group size of 4".

http://s1.postimage.org/fkQrr.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gxfkQrr)
Fired 12 round 11 hits can be seen but not sure where the 12th one went. May be it was a flyer or went through one of the holes. Group size as you can see is nearly 6".

Gilani
26-05-2010, 12:23 AM
Nice review Idrees Taj sahib :) Shooting in fast wind is not easy

Aquarius
27-05-2010, 02:00 AM
Very nice reveiw MIdrees Taj brother.. great shooting even in fast wind.. keep it up.... :)

ARlover
27-05-2010, 02:36 AM
MIdrees Taj bro you are master of pt809E

Faheem
27-05-2010, 10:12 AM
MIdreesTaj sb asusual very nice and impressive shooting. Your all reviews and comments are increasing our intrest for Taurus PT 809 E.....

PakistanGuides
05-06-2010, 08:02 PM
Idrees Bhai AoA,
I called Para today for price of 809E & the guy is demanding 62K when I gave him your ref. he came down to 60 but I think this is bit expensive. So do you know anyone else who would give me this gun at 57K in & around RWP/Islamabad or a bit more or perhaps can you kindly call this guy at Para for my "SIFARISH" ... Lol !
How many version are theire for 809 ? Is there big difference between all these 809 A B C D & E .... etc or the differences are just minor. Should I just buy whatever is available or you would recommend "E" only.
I don't happen to have any experience about handguns but since last three months I have been seeing lots of handguns on internet in detail. And personally this was the only model I have chosen so far ! But before I was about to buy one I read your thread & it gave me assurance that my choice was good ! So I would now feel confident buying it in the light of your professional review.
Your kind reply would be greatly appreciated.
Best regards
Kaiser
PS : I found your thread very interesting but couldn't read all pages as I'm going out of town but I'll definitely go thru all when I return !

PakistanGuides
07-06-2010, 10:52 AM
@pakistaniguides give me your email i will arrange this pistol in 55/56 for you as a fellow hunter

Tariq Bhai Thank you for your kind gesture of goodwll. My E-mail is pakguides@hotmail
Best regards
Kaiser

superkoolguy
08-11-2010, 07:33 PM
my friend just bought stoeger couger 8000f, he was praising its performance a lot,saying it was quite smooth and the recoil was quite little. Can anyone who really has used both the 809 and stoeger tell me, which one has the greater recoil, and if there is a difference,than how much?

(also please try to be quick to answer, i am waiting for opinions.)

MIdreesTaj
19-11-2010, 08:38 PM
Number of Shots: 12 Shots
Distance: Fired from 15 Meters
Ammo: POF 2z
Stance: Isosceles
Target: A4 Paper printed, 6 inch across
Comments: 1 flyer landing outside marked circles, group size 5 inch including flyer shot
184

Vik
19-11-2010, 08:42 PM
Nice effort. Thanks for sharing.

Enigmatic Desires
20-11-2010, 03:30 AM
MIdreesTaj, Has the gunhad any problems such as FTEs/FTFs?

MIdreesTaj
21-11-2010, 08:07 AM
MIdreesTaj, Has the gunhad any problems such as FTEs/FTFs?
I have fired 415 rounds till date including POF, Chinese and Russian rounds. There has been no single instance of FTfeed/fire FTeject/extract till yet. I have a feeling that it wont exhibit such malfunctions in the near future as well (suck as 1k round mark) on the bases of how smoothly it throws empty shells all on the same spot during firing. It shows the weapon is mechanically efficient and tolerances are balanced. Rest time will proove but I am quite hopeful in the longer run.

Maximus
21-11-2010, 05:17 PM
I have fired 415 rounds till date including POF, Chinese and Russian rounds. There has been no single instance of FTfeed/fire FTeject/extract till yet. I have a feeling that it wont exhibit such malfunctions in the near future as well (suck as 1k round mark) on the bases of how smoothly it throws empty shells all on the same spot during firing. It shows the weapon is mechanically efficient and tolerances are balanced. Rest time will proove but I am quite hopeful in the longer run.

I can attest to that fact too. but one thing cleared up as always the trigger pull is longer than normal. Its great once you get a feel for it but the drag does put most experienced shooters off guard as they check to see again if the pistol is chambered correctly.
POF cycle flawlessly with a massive ear-deafening bang and flash ( as i am used to chinese white/red box). Primer strikes also get toned as use increases but initially its important to clean out the firearm thoroughly. at first i also reported light primer strikes due to accumulation of gunpowder residue in firing pin area.. and over lubed the interiors.

khan tanoli
31-03-2011, 11:28 PM
assalam u alaikum ... brother, 2 weeks ago I bought brand new Taurus PT809e , I fired 25 rounds of luger none of it stuck but when I fired 15 rounds of POF , it stuck 2 times . Can U tell me Why?

Denovo87
31-03-2011, 11:33 PM
assalam u alaikum ... brother, 2 weeks ago I bought brand new Taurus PT809e , I fired 25 rounds of luger none of it stuck but when I fired 15 rounds of POF , it stuck 2 times . Can U tell me Why?

Avoid POF ammo that is available from market these days, it makes very high end guns to cry ;)

Mitho
31-03-2011, 11:44 PM
May be because its a taurus..........

iffe
01-04-2011, 12:10 AM
or fake POF

HussainAli
01-04-2011, 09:53 AM
Avoid POF ammo that is available from market these days, it makes very high end guns to cry ;)

Denovo87 Bro, Your are right I bought this POF 2Z last month and belive me I had to return almost 20Plus rounds to my dealer who changed them for China once........ And he only told me that the qulality of POF is not good these days many complains... Or may be "Fake"

Regards

Trigger_happy78
01-04-2011, 11:53 AM
POF's a BIG No NO. If u love ur handgun and ur self :)

Usama
01-04-2011, 12:13 PM
It was definately a Fake POF round , i have been using 2z on my taurus and i am quite satisfied with it

Denovo87
01-04-2011, 01:08 PM
It was definately a Fake POF round , i have been using 2z on my taurus and i am quite satisfied with it

Yep... POF ammo is at par with any available imported ammo in the market but problem is FAKE POF ammo circulating all the markets from Peshawer to Karachi .

iffe
02-04-2011, 12:58 AM
ive experienced fake pof ammo on my cz999
believe me after 3-4 repeated strikes that bullet dint fired

Mitho
02-04-2011, 06:58 PM
@iffe
when did u buy cz999

iffe
03-04-2011, 12:16 AM
@mitho
bro i think last august :)

hskhan2k2
03-04-2011, 10:45 PM
good gun boss.....

mujtabakhan
05-04-2011, 03:28 PM
Nice Gun and informative detials...

Congratulation..

ali110
21-08-2011, 01:18 PM
Midreestaj Brother so many thanks for acknowlgement the fact it was that after watching the pics of 809 it was so hard to express my feelings in words oh, let me say that if PT 145 is like a Karishma Kapoor as this title is given it to by Denovo & now by AK47 (though it is more close to Rani Mukharji in my opinion small in size strong in built etc) so the PT 809 is like a
Katreena,reasonably big in size attrective and beautuful a blend of both East and West in simple words SHANDAR, this gun is so beautiful indeed if its range report comes in positive atleast with Chinese ammo if not with POF so I am sure it would be
a dream gun for many of us I hope she will perform well http://s3.postimage.org/iWWR9.gif (http://www.postimage.org/)What about CZ 75 Shadow ,is it like Amitab Bachan ? hahah

Opeth
23-08-2011, 08:55 PM
well this is a great review
pics speak louder than words
and after reading about its price and performance no doubt this handgun has made its mark ...
i wonder after more than a year what wud be its current market price
and availability chances in islamabad/rawalpindi