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BulletHog
16-03-2010, 10:38 PM
Aoa

Can anyone compare the two models from the accuracy, reliability, availability and pricing point of view? I am posting the links to the two product pages:

http://www.baikalinc.ru/en/company/108.html
http://www.baikalinc.ru/en/company/110.html

I think I would rather go for the C model if it is available considering the claimed better accuracy and flexibility in trigger adjustment. I am wondering if their magazines are interchangeable...if they are, it would address the limitation of the 10-round magazine of the 446C (albeit it would cost 3-4k). Also the sights are like its military counterpart and I am assuming they are better to serve the sporting purpose.

Mohammad
17-03-2010, 11:40 AM
i think the larger frame version is still better and good looking

Mohammad
17-03-2010, 11:41 AM
secondly the accuracy may be greater because the barrel length in the c model is 120 mm which is alot more than simple 446

BulletHog
17-03-2010, 11:57 AM
well I think both C models have the same frame size...the difference comes only in barrel length...waise what [material] contribution a 7.2 mm longer barrel would make to the accuracy??? any expert opinion???

MIdreesTaj
17-03-2010, 12:12 PM
adjustable trigger travel! longer barrel !
I would love this sportish kind model of 446...
hope its available in market soon..
Great pistol indeed but what I dont like in it is the slide design and contours... puts me off a bit

Aquarius
17-03-2010, 06:12 PM
Vow.... this 'C' version seems gorgeous.... don't think so it hit the market as yet.....

Gilani
17-03-2010, 06:56 PM
I haven't seen this C model in Pakistan yet. However, from the specs it appears to be a great pistol. Would love to have one. Is it available anywhere in Pakistan?

Budha Khan
17-03-2010, 09:38 PM
longer barrel by 8 mils , it has 10 rounds mag

Gilani
17-03-2010, 10:20 PM
446C has been designed for IPSC shooting , hence a mag capacity of 10. Has adjustable sights. Not sure how would it perform in target shooting. As per my news, its not being exported to Pakistan, unfortunately. :(

SevenMagnum
17-03-2010, 10:27 PM
would some one brief me on VIKING 446 accuracy.

Gilani
17-03-2010, 10:47 PM
SevenMagnum brother, for a combat handgun, Viking is quite accurate but not a very accurate gun from target shooting point of view. A good shot, however, can easily make a 3 inch group from 15 M. Its wonderful trigger assists in firing good shots. This observation is based on firing 115 & 125 grain 9x19 parabellum ammo. Cant say how accurate it would be with 9x19 mm 7N21 and 7N31 ammos, for which it has been designed. I will post Viking's range results in a few days.

SevenMagnum
17-03-2010, 10:55 PM
Gilani bhai range report will be appreciated.

SevenMagnum
17-03-2010, 11:09 PM
@12 gauge
whats your opinion on the 446 accuracy?

12GAUGE
17-03-2010, 11:35 PM
@12 gauge
whats your opinion on the 446 accuracy?


first of all, I suffer from D.K.S syndrome when it comes to handguns so i'm probably the wrong type of person to ask about MP446's accuracy. I will tell u this much though:

IF GILANI SB. SAYS ITS ACCURATE, THEN its SIR! YES! SIR! or AYE! AYE! CAPTAIN

Regards.

p.s. D.K.S. = Dont Know S**t ;)

Aquarius
18-03-2010, 12:42 AM
Whats about the availability of Baikal-442 Makarov.. Is it available in the market.?

Gilani
18-03-2010, 06:55 AM
As per my knowledge, it is not being exported to Pakistan

Gilani
18-03-2010, 06:59 AM
As per my knowledge, M446C is not being exported to Pakistan. Haven't also seen a NIB Makarov in the market since long though used are available. You have a nice one :). But Baikal website mentions one.

Aquarius
18-03-2010, 11:42 AM
Well today I visited a dealer & he has Baikal-442 Makarov NIB... Its just like old ones but the magazine capacity is 12 rounds instead of 8 rounds in the older models which is also a +1 point for this new ones... very nice piece indeed & very good for concealed carry...
Here are some pics.

http://s4.postimage.org/AXvzS.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=aVAXvzS)

http://s4.postimage.org/AXAz9.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=aVAXAz9)

Abu Al Hawl
18-03-2010, 12:03 PM
Aquarius bro, am interested to buy this piece can you give me dealer's name and phone no. and how much the demand is?

Aquarius
18-03-2010, 01:15 PM
@Abu Al Hawl: Bro its too expensive at 70K rite now.... my advise will be to wait for few weeks, until its price come down to arround 50K, because I am too interested in it.... & I am sure it will come down........ 70K is too much for this piece rite now.....

BulletHog
18-03-2010, 01:39 PM
p.s. D.K.S. = Dont Know S**t ;)

thanks for telling :P i was about to pull up google :)

BulletHog
18-03-2010, 01:44 PM
SevenMagnum brother, for a combat handgun, Viking is quite accurate but not a very accurate gun from target shooting point of view. A good shot, however, can easily make a 3 inch group from 15 M. Its wonderful trigger assists in firing good shots. This observation is based on firing 115 & 125 grain 9x19 parabellum ammo. Cant say how accurate it would be with 9x19 mm 7N21 and 7N31 ammos, for which it has been designed. I will post Viking's range results in a few days.

Well as far as I researched it, the MP 443 Grach is designed to work with 7N21 only and GSh-18 with both N21 and 31...didn't find a conclusive evidence about compatibility of the mentioned loads with the civilian/export model i.e. Viking...any correction/ opinion???

BulletHog
18-03-2010, 01:45 PM
SevenMagnum brother, for a combat handgun, Viking is quite accurate but not a very accurate gun from target shooting point of view. A good shot, however, can easily make a 3 inch group from 15 M. Its wonderful trigger assists in firing good shots. This observation is based on firing 115 & 125 grain 9x19 parabellum ammo. Cant say how accurate it would be with 9x19 mm 7N21 and 7N31 ammos, for which it has been designed. I will post Viking's range results in a few days.

Well as far as I researched it, the MP 443 Grach is designed to work with 7N21 only and GSh-18 with both N21 and 31...didn't find a conclusive evidence about compatibility of the mentioned loads with the civilian/export model i.e. Viking...any correction/ opinion???

MIdreesTaj
18-03-2010, 02:39 PM
Well as far as I researched it, the MP 443 Grach is designed to work with 7N21 only and GSh-18 with both N21 and 31...didn't find a conclusive evidence about compatibility of the mentioned loads with the civilian/export model i.e. Viking...any correction/ opinion???

@BulletHog you have a very valid point... 7N21/31 ammo is millitary plus a speciality millitary round. It will never be available to general public. So no mentioning of it. Moreover I doubt 443Grach and 446 Viking are same guns.

Gunpsycho
18-03-2010, 02:40 PM
@Aquarius Bro. can u still give dealer name & contact No. as i m some other things to know :)

BulletHog
18-03-2010, 04:37 PM
Whats about the availability of Baikal-442 Makarov.. Is it available in the market.?

and also the Baikal MP-448 Skyph???

BulletHog
18-03-2010, 04:39 PM
Whats about the availability of Baikal-442 Makarov.. Is it available in the market.?

and also the Baikal MP-448 Skyph???

Gilani
18-03-2010, 06:23 PM
Aquarius bro, thanks for sharing. This is a real nice handgun, excellent for CC. The only issue is the 9x18 ammo which is getting scarce with each passing day. How much was the dealer asking?

Abbas
18-03-2010, 10:26 PM
This new Mak is a big deal, I suggest making a separate thread for it and it's discussion. Beautiful btw, only if it was in in 9x19.

BulletHog
18-03-2010, 10:40 PM
This new Mak is a big deal, I suggest making a separate thread for it and it's discussion. Beautiful btw, only if it was in in 9x19.
which one???the mak or the skyph???

Gilani
18-03-2010, 10:40 PM
This new Mak is a big deal, ................only if it was in in 9x19.
If it was available in 9x19, I would have bought it YESTERDAY (not tomorrow) :P

Ilyas
18-03-2010, 11:52 PM
@Acquarius... Bro! Thanks for sharing the pics of MP442. It without any doubt, has the potential to
sweep the market for CC handguns, no matter if the cal is 9mm mak. But the price should not be
more than 50k.

Dr Zakir
18-03-2010, 11:59 PM
Any body knows about availability of pya Grah mp 442

Dr Zakir
19-03-2010, 12:00 AM
I am very Interested to buy this weapon

Aquarius
19-03-2010, 10:30 AM
@Gilani: Thanks Sir for appreciation.... indeed its a beautiful piece for CC, but the asking price is too steep at 70K rite now... hope it come down to 50K.... & yes ofcourse availability of 9x18 ammo is another issue...

@Abbas: Chief you are rite... this beauty deserves seperate thread.....

@Ilyas: Sure Sir, this darling has the potential to sweep the market but its price is too high rite now... I think it will probably come down as with other new comers hitting the market with sky high prices & eventually coming down...

@Dr Zakir: Sir the pistol you mentioned (Yarygin Pya/MP-443 Grach) is the official handgun of Russian Military which fires a very hot ++P 7N21 rounds capable of armour piercing.... its availability in Pakistan is very bleak... the only difference in this pistol & Viking MP446 is the frame material... Pya has steel frame while Viking has polymer......

grin313
20-03-2010, 12:26 AM
@Dr Zakir: Sir the pistol you mentioned (Yarygin Pya/MP-443 Grach) is the official handgun of Russian Military which fires a very hot ++P 7N21 rounds capable of armour piercing.... its availability in Pakistan is very bleak... the only difference in this pistol & Viking MP446 is the frame material... Pya has steel frame while Viking has polymer......
please tell me bro if this gun (MP 446) is capable of firing the same ammo (7N21) or it is same 1Z rounds as other pistols.

Gilani
20-03-2010, 01:42 AM
grin313 bro, as Aquarius mentioned the only difference in Yargin Pya and Viking is the frame. Internals are the same and one can see the same huge size breach and other things. So theoretically speaking, yes. But practically speaking, 7N21 and 7N31 is strictly a military ammo and can not be sold to anyone except Russian Army. Similarly Yargin Pya can also not be sold to civilians. So even if one has a Viking, he will probably never be firing 7N21 with it :) However, the owner of a Viking is assured that he can fire any kind of +p or +p+ ammo in his gun and not worry about anything.

Aquarius
20-03-2010, 01:50 AM
grin313 bro, as Aquarius mentioned the only difference in Yargin Pya and Viking is the frame. Internals are the same and one can see the same huge size breach and other things. So theoretically speaking, yes. But practically speaking, 7N21 and 7N31 is strictly a military ammo and can not be sold to anyone except Russian Army. Similarly Yargin Pya can also not be sold to civilians. So even if one has a Viking, he will probably never be firing 7N21 with it :) However, the owner of a Viking is assured that he can fire any kind of +p or +p+ ammo in his gun and not worry about anything.

++++++1 GilaniSir.....now I must say you are our "HANDGUN GURU" ;)

grin313
20-03-2010, 09:05 PM
thnx Gilani bro for the info. great pistol than as most of POF ammo is in 2Z configuration wid hotter fillings. so it makes safe to use this ammo wid 446

Enigmatic Desires
22-03-2010, 04:11 AM
Is the Mak any bigger then the original 8 rond mak?

Or have they managed to stuff 12 rounds within the same contours?

Aquarius
22-03-2010, 11:13 AM
Is the Mak any bigger then the original 8 rond mak?

Or have they managed to stuff 12 rounds within the same contours?

No the size is the same...... only a little bit wider grip but thats quite easily manageable..... & one more + point is that the magazine release is behind the trigger guard (as with other handguns) in comparison with the older models in which its at bottom of the grips at the posterior side of the well....

Budha Khan
23-03-2010, 01:57 AM
hello every body!! baikal is a polymide framed HG and i am being told by a dealer that its polymide is not durable as Glock.... he said that he saw a baikal HG with broken grip , he din't know the reason why it was broken... I'd like to seek attention of all those who own/used Baikal to shed some light on this issue...

aliabidi1977
23-03-2010, 02:12 AM
@ Gilani Sahib... Can you shed some light on that

Gilani
23-03-2010, 07:16 AM
Cant comment Ali Abid sahib. I have not carried out or read about any scientific tests on the strength of polymer used in M446 Viking and can not base my opinion on a hearsay that somebody told someone that M446 polymer frame easily brakes down. I have seen reports of even Glocks breaking into peaces on the internet. There could be many reasons. So cant comment unless there is an authentic evidence based on either first hand experience or scientific rationale :)

Aquarius
23-03-2010, 07:57 PM
hello every body!! baikal is a polymide framed HG and i am being told by a dealer that its polymide is not durable as Glock.... he said that he saw a baikal HG with broken grip , he din't know the reason why it was broken... I'd like to seek attention of all those who own/used Baikal to shed some light on this issue...

Well Kaboom can happen in any weapon, but it doen'nt mean the all the guns manufactured by that specific company are lemons. So if only one Baikal Viking had a broken slide, this does'nt mean that every Viking handgun is lemon....
lets see eg

Glock Kaboom
http://s1.postimage.org/pAbWJ.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gxpAbWJ)

http://s1.postimage.org/pAopr.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gxpAopr)
Sig Kaboom

http://s1.postimage.org/pAvTS.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gxpAvTS)

http://s1.postimage.org/pAKRJ.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gxpAKRJ)

H & K Kaboom
http://s1.postimage.org/pB6j0.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gxpB6j0)

Walther Kaboom
http://s1.postimage.org/pBbii.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gxpBbii)

http://s1.postimage.org/pBnM0.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gxpBnM0)

Beretta PX4 Kaboom
http://s1.postimage.org/pBvfr.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gxpBvfr)

XD Kaboom
http://s1.postimage.org/pBHJ9.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gxpBHJ9)

http://s1.postimage.org/pBMIr.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gxpBMIr)

Anaconda Kaboom
http://s1.postimage.org/pBRHJ.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gxpBRHJ)

Ruger Kaboom
http://s1.postimage.org/pCi8i.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gxpCi8i)

And all these guns are the world's top rated guns.... :)

Gilani
23-03-2010, 08:30 PM
Excellent input Aquarius brother. It only proves one thing that any drastic thing can happen to any handgun at any time. It is therefore important to know HOW IT HAPPENED. BTW, some of these guns look miserable :o I feel sorry for the owners :|

Budha Khan
23-03-2010, 08:57 PM
Thnx Gilani sb n Aquarius bro!!! its some thing every one knows that any thing can be broken... my Question to Aquarius since he owns Baikal what he personally feels about its polymide strength is shock resistent to some extent? as possibility can be there tht a HG slip off hands & meet a shock so atleast a hand gun's poly shud be like to resist the shock.....evry Hg can have plusses minusses but if polymide is less durable then to me its a big negative point....I may go for Baikal in a couple of days thats y seeking advices from the owners....


12 Gauge sab can be the competent and capable person to further explain this...

Aquarius
23-03-2010, 09:22 PM
@Budha Khan: Bro Baikal Viking is actually renowned for its robustness & toughness.... I myself have fired only 200 rounds through it & its perfect in every sense.... If you give me a choice to choose between Viking & Sigma I will definately go for Viking with closed eyes.... realising the fact that Sigma is more expensive, but still I will prefer Viking over Sigma anytime.... Why? Simply because Viking is more reliable... just look into the internals of Viking and you will realise for yourself.... regards :)

Budha Khan
23-03-2010, 09:30 PM
Aquarius bro! i m talking about its externals ( polymide's strength)

Gilani
23-03-2010, 09:45 PM
Budha Khan sahib, exact opinion about the polymer used in Baikal Viking can only be formed after proper laboratory tests. However, as a layman one can say that any polymer, no matter how strong, would never be stronger than steel. So when we buy a polymer handgun we should understand that it will not be as strong as good quality steel. But as per my knowledge, most good quality handguns (which includes Baikal) have strong polymer that is capable if bearing good amount of abuse. :)

Aquarius
23-03-2010, 09:53 PM
@Budha Khan: bro I am also talking about its internals, but I think you are not picking my point.... just look at the massive huge breech end of its barrel & you will yourself realize that its made to take some real abuse... As far as the polymer quality is concerned, I would not drop my Viking from a six feet height by any means :lol: but the Russians certainly may have tested it before exporting it & according to my little knowledge Russian technology regarding arms is one of the best in the world and there is no doubt about it.... Their AKs,Their TTs,Their Maks & now Their Saigas were so much popular for their performance that other countries started cloning them... :)

Budha Khan
23-03-2010, 10:18 PM
certainly true no 1 won't ever drop its HG intentionally but wot if it happens... so in such cases a metal framed pistol is comparatively more shock resistant...

Aquarius
23-03-2010, 11:47 PM
certainly true no 1 won't ever drop its HG intentionally but wot if it happens... so in such cases a metal framed pistol is comparatively more shock resistant...

Ok now bro Budha Khan: Look into the pictures once again.... where did the walther Kaboom occured..? Is that the polymer slide or a hard metallic slide.... Now again look at those rock solid revolvers.... where did the kaboom accured.... Are their wheels made of polymer.....? No its made of high quality solid metal but still their bad luck..... one should find out that how did it happened.......... ;)

12GAUGE
24-03-2010, 12:32 AM
Thnx Gilani sb n Aquarius bro!!! its some thing every one knows that any thing can be broken... my Question to Aquarius since he owns Baikal what he personally feels about its polymide strength is shock resistent to some extent? as possibility can be there tht a HG slip off hands & meet a shock so atleast a hand gun's poly shud be like to resist the shock.....evry Hg can have plusses minusses but if polymide is less durable then to me its a big negative point....I may go for Baikal in a couple of days thats y seeking advices from the owners....


12 Gauge sab can be the competent and capable person to further explain this...

Bro, Baikal Viking's polymer feels (IMHO) alot stronger than many of currently available polymer based handguns. kindly accept my apologies as I'm not equipped with the necessary laboratory/scientific equipment (such as ur dealer) to validate my point. however hats off to your dealer that went through such rigorous (destructive) testing of a Baikal Viking and a Glock to conclude that Viking's polymer is not as strong as a glock. may I know at what PSI did the Viking's polymer frame broke and at what PSI a Glock's frame breaks? just out of curiosity, i'm not doubting the technical expertise of your dealer. then again, since he got all the data (through the rigorous and destructive testing that he did) i'm sure quoting a few figures shouldn't be a problem for him.

about you getting a Baikal Viking. I find it strange as "your people" insist that a Viking is not a good handgun and most of them are moving from CZ999 to Stoeger Cougar anyways. May I know why are you bucking this trend of "your people"?

Regards.

Budha Khan
24-03-2010, 04:34 AM
Thanks very much 12 gauge brother!! now its easier to pick up a baikal... The dealer din't have carry out any torture test by his own... he might have seen a baikal wid broken grip with out knowing the reason of breakage...Sir i can't make any one around me to have CZ 999... why wud i buck the trend up of switching over to SC frm CZ 999... I keep changing the HGs oftenly and i had no personal experience about Baikal thats y Suggestions from a Capable member like U was required... SC 8000 IMHO a very very nice HG in this price range...atleast i m very happy having it n feel confident carrying it for SD purpose...luv is blind and may be i m in luv wid it :D

Budha Khan
24-03-2010, 04:54 AM
Aquarius bro!!! thanks i got ur point...

Aquarius
24-03-2010, 01:40 PM
Aquarius bro!!! thanks i got ur point...

Now what do you think..... are you going for Viking or still is there any doubt in your mind...? :)

Budha Khan
25-03-2010, 01:32 AM
Aquarius bro, with Allah's grace amount for a pistol is arranged... i may go to Bannu in a couple of days to pick either Baikal or Pt 92... hey this morning a friend of mine from Peshawar foned me n said BAIKAL's ongoing price is 51 k in pesh...is it??? I think dealer's name is Azam...

Aquarius
25-03-2010, 07:59 AM
Both Viking and PT92/99 are very good guns..... now it depends on you which fits your hands better..... Baikal recent price bracket is 55 to 60K... so if you are getting it for 51K you are a lucky guy......... :)

Sohail Waheed
25-03-2010, 11:21 AM
Baikal prices has been reduced now. On my last market visit i was quoted 50k for the same.

Aquarius
25-03-2010, 11:51 AM
Thats great Sohail bro.... last time I checked about 2 weeks back... Budha Khan bro congrats for this great news... :)

Budha Khan
26-03-2010, 01:37 AM
dear Aquarius!!! its for 55 k in bannu and yesterday my friend who is in pesh these days told me that its 4 50-51 k in pesh... Pt 92 silver ( accessory rail ) model for 55 k. SC 8000 is out of stock and getting expensive each day:P

Budha Khan
26-03-2010, 01:39 AM
Aquarius wrote:
Baikal MP-446 vs MP-446CBoth Viking and PT92/99 are very good guns..... now it depends on you which fits your hands better..... Baikal recent price bracket is 55 to 60K... so if you are getting it for 51K you are a lucky guy.........


can u tell us "pt 92 doesn't have a chrome lined barrel... pt 99 does have or what "?

Aquarius
26-03-2010, 11:43 AM
Aquarius wrote:
Baikal MP-446 vs MP-446CBoth Viking and PT92/99 are very good guns..... now it depends on you which fits your hands better..... Baikal recent price bracket is 55 to 60K... so if you are getting it for 51K you are a lucky guy.........


can u tell us "pt 92 doesn't have a chrome lined barrel... pt 99 does have or what "?

Well yes PT92 does'nt have a chrome plated/lined barrel.. for that case then go for the Beretta 92fs.. About the Pt99, I am not sure...... any senior member to comments plz..... :)

Aquarius
26-03-2010, 08:14 PM
Aquarius wrote:
Baikal MP-446 vs MP-446CBoth Viking and PT92/99 are very good guns..... now it depends on you which fits your hands better..... Baikal recent price bracket is 55 to 60K... so if you are getting it for 51K you are a lucky guy.........


can u tell us "pt 92 doesn't have a chrome lined barrel... pt 99 does have or what "?

Here is a little bit confusion I think you misunderstood it...If you go through my previous post(59), I wrote both Viking and PT92/99(means Viking MP-446 & pT92/99).
The other version you mentioned ie Viking MP-446C, I dont think its even available in the market or not............ :)

Budha Khan
28-03-2010, 02:31 AM
Here is a little bit confusion I think you misunderstood it...If you go through my previous post(59), I wrote both Viking and PT92/99(means Viking MP-446 & pT92/99).
The other version you mentioned ie Viking MP-446C, I dont think its even available in the market or not............



Bro i dun think i asked a thing abt Mp 446 c

Aquarius
31-03-2010, 10:51 PM
Today I was reading the booklet accompanied with the Baikal Viking MP 446 & it also shows the internal parts diagram of the steel framed version Yarygin pya handgun, which is the official handgun of the Russian Military. The internals of both these steel & polymer versions are almost the same, which means that Viking is quite capable of firing +p or +p+ ammo & the owner of Viking should not be worried with the use of + ammo. Ofcourse the steel version can fire the very hot Russian Military rounds but these rounds are not for civilian use.

Here is the exploded veiw of steel framed version(Yarygin pya)

http://s2.postimage.org/M2vmJ.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=TsM2vmJ)

And that of polymer framed version(Viking MP 446)

http://s1.postimage.org/PEMfr.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gxPEMfr)

here is the scheme of polymer framed pistol parts & assemblies

http://s1.postimage.org/PF7HJ.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gxPF7HJ)

And that of steel framed pistol parts & assemblies

http://s1.postimage.org/PFu90.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gxPFu90)

Here it is quite obvious that the internals of both these versions are almost the same...

Gilani
31-03-2010, 11:02 PM
Except the frame, there seems to be no other difference. After inspecting the strongly built breach, slide, barrel and other parts of Viking, one can safely assume that if this gun cant fire a hot load then no other gun can. Thanks for sharing Aquarius brother :)

12GAUGE
31-03-2010, 11:54 PM
@Aquarius

Nice job bro. kindly allow me add some more pictures. there is a reason to this gun's "built like a tank" reputation.

Just look at that Breech face
http://i998.photobucket.com/albums/af103/12gauge-pakguns/Baikal%20MP446%20Viking/mp44601cy4.jpg

Baikal MP446 Viking alongside Glock
http://i998.photobucket.com/albums/af103/12gauge-pakguns/Baikal%20MP446%20Viking/16.jpg

Baikal MP446 Viking alongside Steyr
http://i998.photobucket.com/albums/af103/12gauge-pakguns/Baikal%20MP446%20Viking/Steyr-Viking1-1.jpg


Now how can one resist calling Baikal MP446 Viking "Built like a tank".

Regards.

Gilani
01-04-2010, 12:22 AM
Nice pics 12guage Sir. The size of the breach says it all :)

Aquarius
01-04-2010, 11:35 AM
Very nice pictures 12gauge bro.... thanks for sharing..... :)

BulletHog
01-04-2010, 05:47 PM
Amazingly informative...i am in love with this forum :)

grin313
02-04-2010, 12:00 AM
great pics n comparison

MKKD
22-04-2010, 02:54 AM
grin313 bro, as Aquarius mentioned the only difference in Yargin Pya and Viking is the frame. Internals are the same and one can see the same huge size breach and other things. So theoretically speaking, yes. But practically speaking, 7N21 and 7N31 is strictly a military ammo and can not be sold to anyone except Russian Army. Similarly Yargin Pya can also not be sold to civilians. So even if one has a Viking, he will probably never be firing 7N21 with it :) However, the owner of a Viking is assured that he can fire any kind of +p or +p+ ammo in his gun and not worry about anything.

Gilani sb are you sure about this? I thought the +p and +p+ ammo are ok for the Grach but not the Viking... The Viking is a sporting derivative of the Grach...?

Vik
29-04-2010, 05:39 PM
Well today I visited a dealer & he has Baikal-442 Makarov NIB... Its just like old ones but the magazine capacity is 12 rounds instead of 8 rounds in the older models which is also a +1 point for this new ones... very nice piece indeed & very good for concealed carry...
Here are some pics.

http://s4.postimage.org/AXvzS.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=aVAXvzS)

http://s4.postimage.org/AXAz9.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=aVAXAz9)
Dream machine. Thanks AQ

Vik
29-04-2010, 05:43 PM
was fascinated by MP446 but grip is huge. Not a practical size weapon.
but Baikal Mak, if you ever reach khi, you are mine.

Gilani
29-04-2010, 11:05 PM
grin313 bro, as Aquarius mentioned the only difference in Yargin Pya and Viking is the frame. Internals are the same and one can see the same huge size breach and other things. So theoretically speaking, yes. But practically speaking, 7N21 and 7N31 is strictly a military ammo and can not be sold to anyone except Russian Army. Similarly Yargin Pya can also not be sold to civilians. So even if one has a Viking, he will probably never be firing 7N21 with it :) However, the owner of a Viking is assured that he can fire any kind of +p or +p+ ammo in his gun and not worry about anything.

Gilani sb are you sure about this? I thought the +p and +p+ ammo are ok for the Grach but not the Viking... The Viking is a sporting derivative of the Grach...?
MKKD brother, as per my knowledge, there is no problem firing +p and +p+ ammo with Viking which has the same internal construction as Garch. I have fired couple of hundred +p rounds with Viking and it behaved very very normal and their was not much of difference in recoil as compared to normal ammo. IMHO, Viking is capable of firing hot loads better than any other pistol currently available in Pakistan; PT92/99 would be second :)

coolbox18
09-05-2010, 12:38 PM
grin313 bro, as Aquarius mentioned the only difference in Yargin Pya and Viking is the frame. Internals are the same and one can see the same huge size breach and other things. So theoretically speaking, yes. But practically speaking, 7N21 and 7N31 is strictly a military ammo and can not be sold to anyone except Russian Army. Similarly Yargin Pya can also not be sold to civilians. So even if one has a Viking, he will probably never be firing 7N21 with it :) However, the owner of a Viking is assured that he can fire any kind of +p or +p+ ammo in his gun and not worry about anything.

Gilani sb are you sure about this? I thought the +p and +p+ ammo are ok for the Grach but not the Viking... The Viking is a sporting derivative of the Grach...?
MKKD brother, as per my knowledge, there is no problem firing +p and +p+ ammo with Viking which has the same internal construction as Garch. I have fired couple of hundred +p rounds with Viking and it behaved very very normal and their was not much of difference in recoil as compared to normal ammo. IMHO, Viking is capable of firing hot loads better than any other pistol currently available in Pakistan; PT92/99 would be second :)

Gilani sb, wonderful i must say. This is a prime example of the enormous amount of info available on this forum. I had made up my mind for pt92 (moi pending), and wanted to compare it to viking (i love tank things). Google results led me straight to PG forum for this specific comparison!

Gilani
11-05-2010, 07:23 PM
You are most welcome bro. So what have you bought finally, Viking or PT92?

coolbox18
13-05-2010, 07:38 PM
Gilani sb, waiting for MOI. then i will decide between these two, I am exactly 50:50 now, they both look and feel excellent, one is a tank, other cannot be refused! Would like to seek your kind and expert advice then in light of my requirements/reservations.

I did however find some complains on net about Taurus pt92 locking block, which was addressed by seniors (faisji sb, midristaj sb, SA sb) in other thread. i could not find much info (let alone complains) about viking. PT 92 repairs is not an issue apparently, not sure about viking (for high wear parts etc, if any).

12GAUGE
13-05-2010, 10:15 PM
@coolbox18

Sir, allow me to bring things in perspective for you. first of all, lets assume that you are a high volume user. then in that case you shouldn't really be thinking of budget guns. the volume of shooting that you'll do will probably run around 100,000 rounds or more (conservative estimate) in that case you would go for an expensive gun to begin with. which should atleast outlast your round count.

now, if you are a moderate user (say less than 5000 rounds) then it really should not worry you cause you have already received all the returns from of the money you have invested in a budget handgun.

example:

you are into buying a 50K handgun. lets assume that you have fired 5K rounds from it. you, my friend have fired 175K worth of ammo (taking 9mm round priced at Rs.35/round). thats 3.5 times the money you have invested in your gun. what more can you expect? think of it this way. you have consumed fuel worth Rs. 1.75 million by driving your Rs. 500K car.

since you are choosing between guns priced at 50-60K, this suggests that you are not a high volume user and shouldn't be concerned about high wearing parts on these guns as at this price range, all guns are designed to last way, way longer than the expectations of a moderate user.

Regards.

Gilani
13-05-2010, 11:14 PM
+1 12guage Sir :)

coolbox18 brother, you can go for MP446 Viking or Taurus PT92, both are amongst the best available handguns in this price range. And if I may add, include CZ999 Scorpion also in the same class. Have a feel of all of them and buy the one which feels better. You wont go wrong with anyone of these three handguns.

BTW, in Pakistan, due to variety of reasons, we hardly fire our handguns in comparison to say, people in US. I read in one of the posts where our American friend Steven Cline mentioned that he fires about 10,000 rounds at an average every year. Now that's the kind of fire where problems like locking blocks etc come up and one needs to replace certain parts. Not in Pakistan, I reckon. Here, many of us do not fire 10,000 rounds throughout our life with all the handguns that we possess during different times. So no worries on that account :)

Happy buying brother

coolbox18
14-05-2010, 12:15 AM
12 guage sb and Gilani sb
Sirs, thank you for your valuable input. Yes CZ999 is also in this league. And yes, i may not fire that much ammo (5k rounds perhaps, if i dont get lucky :D ). My concern is tht i need the most durable, reliable and simple to maintain gun over its lifecycle (safe too, atleast trigger safety). And then, we all know the pricing structure here, scorpion, viking or pt92 r not overcharged as glocks or berettas are....so i wud like to pay less for more :D

however, pls pray for my MOI :( , and moi in general too so tht i get to the actual moment of firing my first rounds..

Abu Al Hawl
14-05-2010, 12:27 AM
Coolbox, beretta n glocks are totally a classics, don't compare pts n cz to them.

Aquarius
14-05-2010, 08:47 AM
Coolbox, beretta n glocks are totally a classics, don't compare pts n cz to them.

+1 AAH brother.

coolbox18
14-05-2010, 10:06 AM
Coolbox, beretta n glocks are totally a classics, don't compare pts n cz to them.

+1 AAH brother.

AAH sb, Aquarius sb
sirs, i agree. I am not comparing these classics with viking, taurus 92 or scorpion. I am only saying that they are so over priced in Pakistan tht i cannot afford them while the difference is not so high abroad, and tht i need the most durable, reliable, simple and safe is 50-60k range..