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Salahuddin Ayubi
12-03-2010, 11:39 AM
PUMP ACTION

Going through the pump action related threads of PG, I see following two pump actions (within 35k range) being preferred recently by our members:

1) Hatsan Escort Aimguard; and

2) Akkar Karatay Taktik.

Now, given the price range of upto 30k and primary purpose being HD, which one of these would you prefer AND why?

Secondly, if there are other options within the same price range, what are they and how are they better compared to the two listed above.

Moreover, I will appreciate if someone could tell me about availability and price of NIB DSA pump actions in KHI market. Also, if anyone is aware of someone selling a slightly used DSA pump action, please do let me know.


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SEMI AUTO

Then in Semi Autos, I see two options vis a vis Germanica and TomaHawk. Both come with two barrels and are in the price range of Rs. 45k to 60k.

If HD is the primary role (with occasional hunting), which one of these would you prefer AND why?


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For HD use, would you recommend a Pump Action OR Semi Auto, and Why ?

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Thanks in advance.

Taurus
12-03-2010, 03:12 PM
There are two options if for HD i would recommend Maverick 88 7+1 and sometimes for hunt i would recommend baikal Mp 153 , the only problem with baikal is it has a long barrel which wouldnt make u to carry it for HD...
whereas i would recommend u as i know u personally go for baikal ,the best as i have seen it while hunting it feeds any ammo and is practical... I dont why i dont like turkish Shotguns as i have seen it in the range sarsilmaz o/u fails to work and turkish dont have strong firing pin ...this the complains i here abt the turkish shotguns

Sohail
12-03-2010, 03:23 PM
both akkar and hatson are good for HD, i also have akkar; trouble free operation within the budget.

for semi you can check out Tornado, normal barrel, semi and good for HD.
must be around 55k

regards

Dr Hanif Malik
12-03-2010, 05:08 PM
@s ayubi,sir you have already some arms for hd,think about semi auto,later we will be able to tell you more info brand and type thanks:)

Salahuddin Ayubi
13-03-2010, 10:56 AM
Thanks guyz for your prompt feedbacks.

Salahuddin Ayubi
13-03-2010, 12:37 PM
AoA Everybody!

Fist of all, kindly allow me to clarify that i do not work for daudson and have no such affiliation that provides me any financial/monetary benefit.

With that, my first gun was a dauson Armory's pump, a long time back, I got my very first NPB license, through my industry links, I decided to go to the factory to see their manufacturing practices, I planned only to purchase the gun if i'm satisfied, not only that, since i'm a reporter, i decided to compare their standards to the next best shotgun manufacturer in the market.

someone might argue that why go for a Pakistani shotgun when the market is pretty much flooded with foreign made shotguns, well, 1. i'm sorta like BE PAKISTANI-BUY PAKISTANI and 2. like any novice squash player, always start with a wooden racket then move on to a graphite one.

well, i saw their manufacturing facilities, man, they were top class, trust me when i say top class, take my word for it, i've been to so many facilities during my career that i can practically talk for hours on fabrication/welding/soldering/molding/casting/forging.

they were using CNC machines to make shotgun receivers out of Aircraft grade aluminum. barrels were being made using virgin 4140 chrome-moly steel bars. synthetic parts were not made of plastic, but were made of impact resistant polymide. not only i saw it, but since i'm a reporter, i get paid to poke my nose in stuff, i even confirmed their shipments through CBR. bolt and firing pins were heat treated, barrels were hard chromed (not chromed). barrels were powder coated instead of third world bluing/browning.

now, talking about the next best thing, i'm not gonna name the next best on ethical grounds, but boy!, was there a difference, talk about using cast aluminum instead of CNC machined aluminum receivers, barrels made of melted tire rods, chisels and hammers instead of lathe machines, lets not go there, pretty scary stuff. and nothing is being done according to given standards. forget about heat treatment too, ask any darra manufacturer that what is the bore dia of shotgun barrel and u'll get the answer. dont even dare to ask about chokes and pattern standards.

I was totally sold on the daudsons and now knew why people who used daudsons shotguns totally swore by them.

at Daudson, i've met both Hakimuddin (technical director) and Nooruddin (managing director). My gun was made right infront of my eyes, they even threw in a 28inch hunting barrel with screw in chokes. lemme say it again: awesomely manufacturered thing.

at the range:

well, i'm not much of a hunter but i'm totally into skeet. i'm gonna make it short by saying that i've personally fired 200 shots in a single sitting without giving the gun a single moment to cool down. and the gun functioned flawless. the barrel was so hot, u could probably light a cigar off it. but the thing just kept on kicking. it gets even more interesting, i thought why not get the barrel tested for surface flaws, u know, with my links it was easy to pull off, the barrel was tested using ultrasonic surface testing and eddy current testing. absolutely flawless after 200 rounds. boy!.

200 rounds might not sound alot but remember it was 200 consecutive bangs in a single sitting. the only rest was involved when the tube magazine was being loaded for another round of punishment. note: there were no cleaning intervals, the barrel was not cleaned during the whole session.

at my brother's wedding:

me and my cousin fired a total of 150 rounds of SG (00 buck shots). again, no intervals, no resting and cleaning the barrel. she was hot as hell but kept on kicking.

about the pattern:

got me a stats genius and we patterened the gun, well, pretty good (it met industry standards), i'm not gonna say awesome, but better than the turkish ones we bought along for comparison. i still have the results with me, and can post them too, both for the short/standard 22 inch barrel and for the custom/28 inch barrel. the stats guy even made me a complex equation by which i can tell where/how will be the pattern at any given distance and choke.

as time passed:

I got me many shotguns now, and now i'm also well experienced in turkish (sarsilmaz, hatsan, volcanic) and russian baikal mp 153.

guess what: at my range, i'm the only guy with Daudson pump and guess what? my club members gladly ask for my gun when they forget to bring their foreign guns, knowing its performace and durability.

and to date, i cannot even count the cartridges i've fired, to give an idea: i fire 200-300 rounds a month with my pump. my foreign semi autos are nothing more than cabinet queens now, they just sit and collect dust. I also give/lend them to friends i cannot trust with my precious daudsons pump.

conclusion:

Foreign made guns are expensive and probably of higher quality and probably safer to use however my daudson is dirt cheap and definately safe to use. in a contest of "probably" vs "definately", "definately" wins hand down.

Regards.

Last edited by 12gauge (09-05-2009 20:05:45)


I am totally sold on DSA pump action after reading our knowledgeable brother 12G's post above.

However, I am wondering that since Daudsons has now stopped manufacturing pump actions and have diverted their attention towards huge multi million dollar defence contracts, what problems can someone, who buys a DSA shooter now, face with respect to availability of after market parts or repairs, etc.

Slayerjatt
13-03-2010, 12:37 PM
kindly take a look at hawk industries/norinco shotguns.i've read very good reviews on american forums and they prefer it over turkish guns.i saw one norinco at p.a.r.a 5+1,18" with fiber optic front sight and asking price was 25k.

Dr Zakir
13-03-2010, 03:15 PM
i have visited their factory with 12 gauge now they are making only one model . but the proces is the same . same machines same material same procedure. i think in reliability they can easily beat turkish pumps. ( although looks are better for turkish ) .
may be remington or winchester are better i dont know but are quite pricey too.

Aquarius
13-03-2010, 06:57 PM
SA says (If HD is the primary role (with occasional hunting), which one of these would you prefer AND why?)

Sir SA: For primarily HD & occasional hunting the answer is Pump Action.

Why?...... because of 'RELIABILITY'.... less chances of failure...

Topak
14-03-2010, 10:59 AM
DSA is the best option..
reasons......?
1-you can get 2 barrels ,short for HD and long for hunting.
2-price is very economical.... i got in 16K from Gujranwala with standard HD barrel
3-if you got and problem..... let me say fire pin broke....ejector fails......any other problem.... you can get replacement in few hundred rupees.(in case of Turkish/foreign it is difficult to find extra parts, if luckily you got you will pay more..you know it.)
4-its Pak made buddy.
5-works flawlessly.
6-come with both, pistol grip and butt stock from factory.
7-the bucks you will save from buying this gun..spent rest money on ammu and enjoy.

i have this gun in my home....its reliable and robust.
go for DSA

Sami
14-03-2010, 03:13 PM
A.S.A. Well, as patriot at heart I would say that D.S.A is as good as any other brand in given range. About your given choices: I would prefer Slide-action over Semi-auto. Russian and Mossberg/Maverick are best in given budget. For H/D primary purpose: I remember Omer 571 has one listed at Market forum. You can strike a deal with him as you know he has a BIG HEART. Allah-Hafiz

Salahuddin Ayubi
15-03-2010, 10:11 AM
DSA is the best option..
reasons......?
1-you can get 2 barrels ,short for HD and long for hunting.
2-price is very economical.... i got in 16K from Gujranwala with standard HD barrel
3-if you got and problem..... let me say fire pin broke....ejector fails......any other problem.... you can get replacement in few hundred rupees.(in case of Turkish/foreign it is difficult to find extra parts, if luckily you got you will pay more..you know it.)
4-its Pak made buddy.
5-works flawlessly.
6-come with both, pistol grip and butt stock from factory.
7-the bucks you will save from buying this gun..spent rest money on ammu and enjoy.

i have this gun in my home....its reliable and robust.
go for DSA


Thanks for the feeback Topak.

1) I am indeed getting two barrels in the deal I'm getting, thanks to PG's first member :).

2 - 7) ++1.

HammadArshad
15-03-2010, 10:41 AM
Thanks for the feeback Topak.
I am indeed getting two barrels in the deal I'm getting, thanks to PG's first member :).

Just one question bro
From where are you buying your DSA shooter, and how much are you paying for that?

Salahuddin Ayubi
15-03-2010, 11:59 AM
Thanks for the feeback Topak.
I am indeed getting two barrels in the deal I'm getting, thanks to PG's first member :).

Just one question bro
From where are you buying your DSA shooter, and how much are you paying for that?

From a fellow PG member. How much? Don't know yet :) ..... such is the brotherly spirit among PG members.

Mitho
18-03-2010, 05:33 PM
@SA
i am also looking for a hatson escort aimgaurd.do u have idea which dealer has it in karachi?

Salahuddin Ayubi
18-03-2010, 07:40 PM
No bro Mitho. But you should check the main Mainsfield Street and I'm sure you'll find out atleast half a dozen dealers who have it in stock.

Shariq
18-03-2010, 07:49 PM
From a fellow PG member. How much? Don't know yet :) ..... such is the brotherly spirit among PG members.

Bro whatever you offer is already accepted. I consider you a good friend so no issue of deal making :)

Salahuddin Ayubi
18-03-2010, 10:07 PM
I know bro. You are, as always, the GEM of PakGuns.

Do remember that family dinner as soon as you're through with your other thing.

asifshar
22-03-2010, 07:16 PM
Dear Experts,

I want to Buy a PUMP ACTION for home defense & Self Defense, And my range is 25k. I have silently read all the posts and checked a lot of guns but couldn't reach any solution please help me in this regard!

Salahuddin Ayubi
22-03-2010, 08:20 PM
There's a DSA pumpaction being sold right now in our market place section for a mere 12k. Go for it.

Mitho
22-03-2010, 09:18 PM
asif sher
well y dont u check the local market urself
add couple of k's to 25k and u can get a chinese yl12 2j without butt turkish akkar.
would suggest u to go for chinses better than daudson.

SPAYPANTHER
22-03-2010, 10:22 PM
Dear Experts,

I want to Buy a PUMP ACTION for home defense & Self Defense, And my range is 25k. I have silently read all the posts and checked a lot of guns but couldn't reach any solution please help me in this regard!

if you are in karachi then mail me i have one to show

Sparticas
19-05-2010, 10:20 AM
DSA is the best option..
reasons......?
1-you can get 2 barrels ,short for HD and long for hunting.
2-price is very economical.... i got in 16K from Gujranwala with standard HD barrel
3-if you got and problem..... let me say fire pin broke....ejector fails......any other problem.... you can get replacement in few hundred rupees.(in case of Turkish/foreign it is difficult to find extra parts, if luckily you got you will pay more..you know it.)
4-its Pak made buddy.
5-works flawlessly.
6-come with both, pistol grip and butt stock from factory.
7-the bucks you will save from buying this gun..spent rest money on ammu and enjoy.

i have this gun in my home....its reliable and robust.
go for DSA

+1111 @ Topak

Brother if i had to buy something in that range it would av been definitely DSA ...

Afzaal
19-05-2010, 10:33 AM
DSA is the best option..
reasons......?
1-you can get 2 barrels ,short for HD and long for hunting.
2-price is very economical.... i got in 16K from Gujranwala with standard HD barrel
3-if you got and problem..... let me say fire pin broke....ejector fails......any other problem.... you can get replacement in few hundred rupees.(in case of Turkish/foreign it is difficult to find extra parts, if luckily you got you will pay more..you know it.)
4-its Pak made buddy.
5-works flawlessly.
6-come with both, pistol grip and butt stock from factory.
7-the bucks you will save from buying this gun..spent rest money on ammu and enjoy.

i have this gun in my home....its reliable and robust.
go for DSA

+1111 @ Topak

Brother if i had to buy something in that range it would av been definitely DSA ...

i won't suggest even to my enemy to buy a low quality weapon.
i have few examples in my life the local made guns fired a round when a person was trying to close barrel after loading shells.
and shotgun fired without pulling triggers (damn)

even one of my friend was having a SxS by DSA
he was at hunting and just tried to stop his dog to not go infront of him because he already seen his hunt so he was trying to stop his dog and he tapped muzzle on his dogs skull genitally result was BANG without pulling the trigger.

he took off the shell from barrel and torn his guns into pieces.


so being a Muslim its my duty to inform new buyers from these possibilities else everyone has own choice to decide.

EDIT

we have hundreds of users at p.g
but no one might heard fatigues like broken fire pin or other problems occurred in quality guns like Baikal etc even after years of usage.

Faisji
19-05-2010, 11:44 AM
he tapped muzzle on his dogs skull genitally result was BANG without pulling the trigger.

he took off the shell from barrel and torn his guns into pieces.


.

So the dogs was not trained on verbal commands?
I have a feeling that a barretta would have failed in this situation.

Never point the muzzle at anything you don't want to destroy

Afzaal
19-05-2010, 11:50 AM
he tapped muzzle on his dogs skull genitally result was BANG without pulling the trigger.

he took off the shell from barrel and torn his guns into pieces.


.

So the dogs was not trained on verbal commands?
I have a feeling that a barretta would have failed in this situation.

Never point the muzzle at anything you don't want to destroy

Some time trained dogs also avoid commands when they are more curious in hunt.

yes i know pointing a load guns muzzle does not makes any sense
but u don't think same way in all conditions.

KageFox
19-05-2010, 12:34 PM
even one of my friend was having a SxS by DSA
he was at hunting and just tried to stop his dog to not go in front of him because he already seen his hunt so he was trying to stop his dog and he tapped muzzle on his dogs skull gently result was BANG without pulling the trigger.

With all due respect... this person threw the whole responsibility of gun ownership/use to the winds... he ignored the MOST basic rule of gun handling, and therefore, paid the grave consequences for the highly idiotic behavior... or rather, the poor dog did...

Guns are tools. Faulty or not, they are the responsibility of the user.

Hopefully, this scenario/ordeal serves as a lesson...

Afzaal
19-05-2010, 04:06 PM
even one of my friend was having a SxS by DSA
he was at hunting and just tried to stop his dog to not go in front of him because he already seen his hunt so he was trying to stop his dog and he tapped muzzle on his dogs skull gently result was BANG without pulling the trigger.

With all due respect... this person threw the whole responsibility of gun ownership/use to the winds... he ignored the MOST basic rule of gun handling, and therefore, paid the grave consequences for the highly idiotic behavior... or rather, the poor dog did...

Guns are tools. Faulty or not, they are the responsibility of the user.

Hopefully, this scenario/ordeal serves as a lesson...

i won't protect my friends stupidity but i bet if he was holding a quality gun this won't happened.
or chances might be 1%

i don't trust daisy crap.

Fayaz
19-05-2010, 08:46 PM
I luv the guns and m just learner here, if all seniors allow me to add my thoughts here. I would like to mention here that how come we say that all the local made are crap ? i think that is not justified

If we compare a local made which cost around 15k in local market with an imported good quality one which normally starts from about double i.e 30k to more than 200k.. i don't think that is the justification..

Can we find a perfect best quality flawless pump action in merely 15K? that amount actually includes raw material, production cost, cost of its momement from factory to the market and the profit of the dealer.

Let me say that DSA pump action is a good choice in the price, its a nice gun if not the perfect one. but keep in mind thats just a small machine which can malfunction at any time which is same with the costly ones...

Best regards

Afzaal
19-05-2010, 08:55 PM
i posted personal view
and i will stick with it till my last breath.
i have nothing to do if some one local made arms freak or love more than Beretta or Bellini

if i won't have enough funds to buy foreign made quality guns i will stay without an arm but won't buy a daisy crap.
regarding your last row that happens in quality once in ages to be more honest i never heard broken firing pin or faulty ejectors in my life.

everyone has his own choice and freedom of speech aswell.

end of conversation

Fayaz
19-05-2010, 09:08 PM
i posted personal view
and i will stick with it till my last breath.
i have nothing to do if some one local made arms freak or love more than Beretta or Bellini

if i won't have enough funds to buy foreign made quality guns i will stay without an arm but won't buy a daisy crap.
regarding your last row that happens in quality once in ages to be more honest i never heard broken firing pin or faulty ejectors in my life.

everyone has his own choice and freedom of speech aswell.

end of conversation

No doubt about the quality of Beretta or Bellini.

Fayaz
19-05-2010, 09:16 PM
Afzal bro i m quoting ur words

"Gun choice is a subjective thing. Whats "best" for me, may not work for you."

indeed, it is matter of choice keeping in view the most important factor of budget besides.

i.e. alto is better than mehran and a corola is a lot better than the both... but all three are cars which needs gasoline to run and have engines, tyres, suspensions and all can be driven on roads for years...

I m just a layman and do not intend any offence so please bear with me; those were just my personal thoughts which does not necessarily acceptable/ good for all.

best regards,

Shariq
19-05-2010, 09:20 PM
DSA pump is better than similar Turkish guns. I have seen / heard Turkish guns at skeet range with broken firing pins and with squeaks and rattles from every corner. No such problem with DSA pump. Brother 12Guage can enlighten us more.

takenleader
19-05-2010, 09:54 PM
Asak ,,

for 25K the hawk industries pump action is the best and toughest pump available . Its only set back is that its w/o a buttstock just pistol grip. Its has a CNC machined steel receiver and its a copy of the remington 870. its sold in the US by the name of pardner pumps . below are the attached pictures . they were imported by pioneer arms and still have them . It has these cool ghost ring sights too .


http://s3.postimage.org/nGobJ.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=PqnGobJ)

http://s3.postimage.org/nGvG9.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=PqnGvG9)


The below pics are of hatsan new pumps but are not avail available in pakistan as yet . But they are very cooooooooooooool


http://s3.postimage.org/nGKE0.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=PqnGKE0)

http://s2.postimage.org/JsiOA.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=TsJsiOA)

coolbox18
20-05-2010, 09:16 AM
Takenleader bro, where can we get more info abt hawk shotguns, country of origin, steel, barrel details etc and preferably some reviews.

Salahuddin Ayubi
20-05-2010, 11:15 AM
DSA pump is better than similar Turkish guns. I have seen / heard Turkish guns at skeet range with broken firing pins and with squeaks and rattles from every corner. No such problem with DSA pump. Brother 12Guage can enlighten us more.

+1

Afzaal
20-05-2010, 11:18 AM
when talking about foreign made QUALITY guns never count turkish as a quality Gun.

Topak
20-05-2010, 11:50 AM
DSA pump is better than similar Turkish guns. I have seen / heard Turkish guns at skeet range with broken firing pins and with squeaks and rattles from every corner. No such problem with DSA pump. Brother 12Guage can enlighten us more.

+1
++1
have one security in home its flawless and well built gun.....
regarding the accident mentioned by the afzaal bro...... is shocking...but if you search the google there are hundred of videos of gun accident of "quality guns"

hawkseye
20-05-2010, 02:54 PM
+1 @Topak

Buying a quality gun does not mean that an accident will never occur. That is the reason gun safety instructions are mentioned in the handbook of every gun.

Afzaal
20-05-2010, 03:06 PM
No Doubt
Buying a quality gun does not mean that an accident will never occur

but buying a low quality gun raise its chances above 50%
but in quality gun these chances are 1% or maybe more less.

takenleader
20-05-2010, 03:46 PM
asak

cool box bro the hawk ind pumps are chinese made . the link is given below also sold as nef pardner pumps in US
www.hawkindustries.com.cn (http://www.hawkindustries.com.cn)

http://www.hr1871.com/Firearms/Shotguns/pardnerPump.asp

and hatsan shotguns are sold in the US by legacy arms

http://www.legacysports.com/products/escort/index.html

good reviews on the web

coolbox18
20-05-2010, 03:50 PM
asak

cool box bro the hawk ind pumps are chinese made . the link is given below also sold as nef pardner pumps in US
www.hawkindustries.com.cn (http://www.hawkindustries.com.cn)

http://www.hr1871.com/Firearms/Shotguns/pardnerPump.asp

and hatsan shotguns are sold in the US by legacy arms

http://www.legacysports.com/products/escort/index.html

good reviews on the web
thankyou bro. Will check these out

JawadKhanJadoon
30-06-2010, 11:00 PM
Salaam to all! I had been reading the expert reviews on this site for a long time and today at last i have registered myself on it.

I have to comment on DSA pump action, as i purchased one about two months back (in 16k) but i was very much disappointed on its performance as many a times, the cartridges stuck in the barrel after they were fired. I liked the way it bangs but at last i returned it to the dealer and got it replaced with Turkish Akkar Karatay Taktik 6+1 (paid extra 18k). This new beauty has satisfied me with its looks, smooth firing and the way it feels in hand.

Now, can anyone enlighten me with the difference of their barrel material and why the DSA barrel heats up less than the Karatay Taktik during consecutive firing?

Thanks in advance

HammadArshad
01-07-2010, 12:51 AM
@JawadKhanJadoon Bro, Walikum asalam and welcome to Pakguns. For the question you have asked kndly read the post no. 6 of the same thread and your question will be answered.

Shariq
01-07-2010, 01:05 AM
JawadKhanJadoon Bro
Its unfortunate that your DSA gave problems. I have owned two and fired hundreds of shells without problem. My organization also uses DSA and we never had any problem with hundreds of DSA we have.
Which shells gave you problem bro ?

takenleader
01-07-2010, 01:37 AM
Asak

I have a hatsan aimguard 7+1 and after sire 12 guage plan to buy another hatsan semi auto combo package. But one thing is for sure that is the choice is a pump action then nothing beats a chinese hawk ind pump sold in the US as nef pardner pumps .Its a remington 870 clone has thicker forged receiver then the remi . a metal trigger guard , all machined parts and all accesories of the remi will fit execpt the barrel . HAs very good reviews on many forums .has anyone got anuy info about the norinco ithaca clone . i have seen one a a nice blued finish but some say its has feeding problems . Mr spaypanther has one .


regards

JawadKhanJadoon
01-07-2010, 08:57 AM
@HammadArshad: Thanks for your warm welcome and referring me to the appropriate post for the answer but i am afraid it is still not clear to me as what is the DSA barrel made up of and Akkar Karatay Taktik barrel made up of and what kind of chrome do they use for inside the barrel? Can you enlighten me a little more please..?

@Sqnldr_Shariq: Thanks for the reply bro, i was told the same by the dealer (Esagee & sons Abbottabad) but that was really unfortunate for me :( as I preferred buying it at first place due to Made in Pakistan. Now i hope that this Akkar Karatay Taktik works well with me. My cousin who is also a Sqdn leader (Faisal Jadoon) has this DSA and he is happy with it.

Anybody to review Karatay Taktik please....???

Shariq
01-07-2010, 11:48 PM
Faisal Jadoon is a good friend of mine. Nice fellow.
May i ask which shells you were using with DSA.

MianTaimur
02-07-2010, 02:03 AM
Anybody to review Karatay Taktik please....???


I have a few of these Akkar's ! they are good work horses , in the sence that they are used and abused by my staff. However every now and then I tend to pick one up randomly and give it a go and they work fine in all aspects. Even at home I have got one in my room and another one in my dads room. Recently due to my negligence the piece in my dads room got alot of rust on its barell, however after a little oiling it was good to go, Had a quick session of rapid fire from it and I conclude by saying I am a satisfied user.

JawadKhanJadoon
02-07-2010, 09:02 AM
Faisal Jadoon is a good friend of mine. Nice fellow.
May i ask which shells you were using with DSA.

Well I was using Shaheen #4, it may be because i had to pay more for a shotgun i suppose...:|

JawadKhanJadoon
02-07-2010, 09:04 AM
Anybody to review Karatay Taktik please....???


I have a few of these Akkar's ! they are good work horses , in the sence that they are used and abused by my staff. However every now and then I tend to pick one up randomly and give it a go and they work fine in all aspects. Even at home I have got one in my room and another one in my dads room. Recently due to my negligence the piece in my dads room got alot of rust on its barell, however after a little oiling it was good to go, Had a quick session of rapid fire from it and I conclude by saying I am a satisfied user.

Thanks a ton dear for replying to my question and your input is very valuable for me now i am a bit satisfied with this purchase. Thanks again

Shariq
02-07-2010, 10:50 AM
Faisal Jadoon is a good friend of mine. Nice fellow.
May i ask which shells you were using with DSA.

Well I was using Shaheen #4, it may be because i had to pay more for a shotgun i suppose...:|
Shaheen #4 is more than good enough shell. Gun must be faulty.