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Afzaal
05-03-2010, 07:26 AM
Salam Brothers

Do guys know any Expert Gunsmith who can thread again for choke tubes in both barrels.

coz i wana make these barrels same length


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Dr Hanif Malik
05-03-2010, 09:18 AM
sir you have to make a visit here sargodha for this purpose,kamal and sons,and have a lunch with me :)

Afzaal
05-03-2010, 10:57 AM
thanks so much brother for the lunch offer

can u post kamal and sons contact no or confirm whether can they threading in the muzzle for fluch or extended choke tubes.

Dr Hanif Malik
05-03-2010, 01:42 PM
@afzal sahab i will get theire phone number.i am sure they can made choke internaly a good one even they can made seprate barrels as per you desire:)theire proper name is kamal arms factory, at sahiwal road .baba kamal has died few yers ago,and his son iqbal is the same copy of father fun,second brother ghulam mustafa works in same factory and he is only making .30 bore pistols.iqbal is the master of s guns,after getting phone no you can talk directly,please laterly share with pg forum thanks:)

Arslan_tareen
05-03-2010, 01:52 PM
@afzal sahab i will get theire phone number.i am sure they can made choke internaly a good one even they can made seprate barrels as per you desire:)theire proper name is kamal arms factory, at sahiwal road .baba kamal has died few yers ago,and his son iqbal is the same copy of father fun,second brother ghulam mustafa works in same factory and he is only making .30 bore pistols.iqbal is the master of s guns,after getting phone no you can talk directly,please laterly share with pg forum thanks:)
i will add this for Afzal is that if there is any one in Pakistan that can do it with extreme precision is Iqbal , he and his father are also famous for making Holland & Holland clones , i have one such gun made by baba kamal in 70s , and even Holland & holland sent a letter of appreciation to him .

Dr Hanif Malik
05-03-2010, 08:27 PM
@a tareen thank you sir, now afzaal shab will be more easy for his chokes.iqbal and his father kamal late made s gun for gen zia-ul- haq and gen hameed gul they make s gun very light weight and with good material,now a day prices are theire s gun are around 80k to 100k.:)hxh prices are unexplainable so high:)

Afzaal
05-03-2010, 08:36 PM
@a tareen thank you sir, now afzaal shab will be more easy for his chokes.iqbal and his father kamal late made s gun for gen zia-ul- haq and gen hameed gul they make s gun very light weight and with good material,now a day prices are theire s gun are around 80k to 100k.:)hxh prices are unexplainable so high:)
i searched for sargodha arms manufactures and dealers on net and found just three

http://www.pakearth.com/pakistan-business-directory/advsearchr.php?search_id=816

he is not in three of em.

Dr Hanif Malik
05-03-2010, 09:01 PM
@a tareen thank you sir, now afzaal shab will be more easy for his chokes.iqbal and his father kamal late made s gun for gen zia-ul- haq and gen hameed gul they make s gun very light weight and with good material,now a day prices are theire s gun are around 80k to 100k.:)hxh prices are unexplainable so high:)
i searched for sargodha arms manufactures and dealers on net and found just three

http://www.pakearth.com/pakistan-business-directory/advsearchr.php?search_id=816

he is not in three of em.
yes afzaal sahab they are not in doccuments but still doing all jobs with hand made,they say themself we are simply lohar:)i have an experience of getting single barrel 15 years ago 26 inch barrel,and hunted with that gun many years,his gun weight is half of the english,any how if you are intersted to get info from them i will visit tomorrow theire factory for your service:)

Skeeter60
05-03-2010, 10:08 PM
I have been seeing the guns made by Baba Kamal since 1970s these are indeed pretty and light weight. These bear the names of famous gun makers like Holland & Holland and Westley Richards ets. While I would recognise the fake gun at first glance I could never help admiring the guns for the apparent work man ship.
It all ends here; I never fired or recommended any one to fire these guns as these are neither proved nor safe to fire in any case, as I have seen these with excessive head space even when unfired, all those which I saw were fired a hundred times or so had very dangerous headspace developing. I saw a couple blowing up, in one case a finger of the shooter flew and got stuck on a friend of mines face. The other blew up in a shooting match at POF Wah ranges there was a serious injury to the shooters left hand and some minor ones on his face and eyes.

Afzaal
05-03-2010, 10:12 PM
@a tareen thank you sir, now afzaal shab will be more easy for his chokes.iqbal and his father kamal late made s gun for gen zia-ul- haq and gen hameed gul they make s gun very light weight and with good material,now a day prices are theire s gun are around 80k to 100k.:)hxh prices are unexplainable so high:)
i searched for sargodha arms manufactures and dealers on net and found just three

http://www.pakearth.com/pakistan-business-directory/advsearchr.php?search_id=816

he is not in three of em.
yes afzaal sahab they are not in doccuments but still doing all jobs with hand made,they say themself we are simply lohar:)i have an experience of getting single barrel 15 years ago 26 inch barrel,and hunted with that gun many years,his gun weight is half of the english,any how if you are intersted to get info from them i will visit tomorrow theire factory for your service:)

thanks brother for your extreme concern.

Arslan_tareen
06-03-2010, 12:26 AM
Dear Afzal there are many Gunsmith who can do this job , but what Dr hanif has suggested you is the best in Pakistan as far as i know .

Arslan_tareen
06-03-2010, 12:32 AM
I have been seeing the guns made by Baba Kamal since 1970s these are indeed pretty and light weight. These bear the names of famous gun makers like Holland & Holland and Westley Richards ets. While I would recognise the fake gun at first glance I could never help admiring the guns for the apparent work man ship.
It all ends here; I never fired or recommended any one to fire these guns as these are neither proved nor safe to fire in any case, as I have seen these with excessive head space even when unfired, all those which I saw were fired a hundred times or so had very dangerous headspace developing. I saw a couple blowing up, in one case a finger of the shooter flew and got stuck on a friend of mines face. The other blew up in a shooting match at POF Wah ranges there was a serious injury to the shooters left hand and some minor ones on his face and eyes.
the main problem lies in making of Barrel it self sir , our infrastructure lacks the quality barrel making that English and other foreign countries have , for that reason now people usually buy cheap English barrels and build around them there Pak made luxury Gun , there was no match Of Baba kamal in Engraving and crafting a Holland&Holland for which he had certificate of appreciation from Holland&Holland them self , sir Iqbal is second only to GuLL ''Ustad'' of dara Adem khel , he was proudly presented by GOP in Ideas 2004 and 2006 in Karachi as his hand crafted engraving put dim light on many English engravers and all with his basic tools .

Dr Hanif Malik
06-03-2010, 09:54 AM
@today morning rain is in full swing ,even then i will go to factory and meet them to get full information,my russian sxs full choke and medium choke giving me problems on flying birds.latest update is my hunter buddies two at least has orderd for repeaters 5shot price range 40k,i was insisting my friends to buy baikal mp 153 in range of 48k instead of local sami auto but they have seen some things,one of them is also air guns{gunsmith}and they are better shooter to me having desi s guns and i am having good russian s gun,theire scores is high.so interest is more increasing in baba kamal:)

Dr Hanif Malik
06-03-2010, 12:16 PM
@! afzaal sahab i could not meet the iqbal sahab but nos are noted please you can contact on one of these:)

03016348646
03216058232
03237015886
short note
repairing of english guns and rifles is more going on in this factory,and i feel we should buy russian or other english guns,resale value will remain up to end beside the local s gun:)

Afzaal
06-03-2010, 05:28 PM
@! afzaal sahab i could not meet the iqbal sahab but nos are noted please you can contact on one of these:)

03016348646
03216058232
03237015886
short note
repairing of english guns and rifles is more going on in this factory,and i feel we should buy russian or other english guns,resale value will remain up to end beside the local s gun:)

thanks zillion my Brother for your extreme concern about my problem
surely i will talk to them .

thanks zillion again
u r really gem of guy

Afzaal
07-03-2010, 12:18 PM
today have few words with Iqbal Bhai

he said it will take 8 to 10 days and cost PKR-5000

thats Okay

But going 2 times to sargodha in 10 days i can't afford since i am fasten with lodza jobs to do everyday.

is there anyway hanif bhai that i can send u barrels and payment to along sending receiving service charges ????

can u do this favor to me ?

regards

Skeeter60
07-03-2010, 12:56 PM
Arsalan Tareen

You have nicely stated the artwork of late Baba Kamal who was a genius. It is true, had he been provided with the proper alloys, technical guidance and know how his abilities would have resulted in masterpieces which could over shadow any of the major gun makers. He had no education just like Mikhail Kalashnikov, John M Browning and some other great gun inventors.
I wish some one had helped him, there were other great craftsmen related to gun making like Chacha Sidique of Zhob Militia (late), Mistri Nur Ahmad of Lahore (late) and Chacha Kareem who is the only one living and in his late eighties, still working at Karachi.
Chacha Sadique was taken a prisoner of war in the battle of Mont Casino in Italy (2nd World War) while he was an eighteen year old apprentice armourer in the 4th Indian Division.
The Germans recognised his trade and genius; trained and employed him in the Mauser Factory.
I knew him as a young captain and he would make gun stocks and even actions and barrels with amazing precision, he knew the technical details and understood ballistics. I was too young and naive at that time to realise the true worth of his genius.
I only wish these great men had been formally trained and Baba Kamal made guns in his own name but then he had to make a living making look alikes, the main beneficiaries of his art were those so called gentlemen who palmed off these fakes as the real guns to unsuspecting buyers in far off areas at exorbitant prices.
Most English gun makers started as armourers and making guns at home/ workshops

Arslan_tareen
07-03-2010, 03:17 PM
^^ Exactly sir i was very young when i met Baba Kamal and i remember him telling my Father who at that time was going to USA on GOP official trip to find out how much is the right Material and Machinery costs to set up a right barrel making facility but it went no where as you need a right Industry to manufacture those alloys needed as you stated , i have only heard about Mistri Nur Ahmad and ChaCha Sadique but you might find it interesting that my father was one of the few man who found the real talent in Kareem Ustad , My father brought him from Peshawar and he resided with us for 2 months fixing Butts and other minor issues , he then moved to Karachi and became a Master of his Trade , my Father still jokes with him that all his success goes to Practicing and ruining some of our Shot guns . But unfortunately he had a ''SPECIAL'' habit which has destroyed his health and is also the case with many Talented people in Dara Area .
On the issue of People selling these Clone guns as real , unfortunately some of very famous names are associated with that Trade , i mean no need of name calling but we both know who and what there so called status in society is and they still do such activity ! the worse in think who got hit from such Trade were the rich landlords of Sindh and other rural areas.

Skeeter60
07-03-2010, 10:56 PM
Arsalan you said it all. I am glad you know all about the subject, the gunsmiths and the blacksheep.
Your Father indeed did a great job discovering Kareem

Dr Hanif Malik
11-03-2010, 09:56 PM
today have few words with Iqbal Bhai

he said it will take 8 to 10 days and cost PKR-5000

thats Okay

But going 2 times to sargodha in 10 days i can't afford since i am fasten with lodza jobs to do everyday.

is there anyway hanif bhai that i can send u barrels and payment to along sending receiving service charges ????

can u do this favor to me ?
@afzaal sahab i was out of city and now reading your post ,i am always ready to serve pak gunners:)
please send your cell no at my e mail add drhanifmalik@yahoo.com
regards

Afzaal
11-03-2010, 10:18 PM
mail sent

Afzaal
11-03-2010, 10:21 PM
thanks brother mail sent

Dr Hanif Malik
11-03-2010, 10:27 PM
@afzaal sahab yes mail received and cell no noted now first you please delete your no by aditing as per forum rules thanks:)
i will glad to talk you early morning at this no:)

hunter468
14-02-2011, 09:55 AM
afzal bro please share your experience and pics if u have customised your shotgun barrel with chokes; btw how this barrel exploded???

Engineeer
17-02-2011, 01:50 PM
yes we are still waiting for ur experience to shared plz do that..........

gill430
21-04-2012, 03:02 PM
i have made an order to build a extra new barrel to Kamal and Sons for my Fusil Robust 222 in 26 inches.

Afzaal
21-04-2012, 07:34 PM
i have made an order to build a extra new barrel to Kamal and Sons for my Fusil Robust 222 in 26 inches.

and how much it will cost ?