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Mohammad
12-01-2010, 03:58 PM
AOA guys..... just want to have a comparative analysis between these two commonly available handguns in Pakistani Market..... The zastava and norinco....... Just want to know which one is better in term of finishing, barrel quality (including chrome plating) and overall reliability..... Senior members please give your reviews

Faisji
13-01-2010, 02:55 PM
Magazine capacity comes to mind.

Also the weight is carried much better by Zastava.The enlarged Grip is more easy on the hands allowing better handling of recoil.

wasifali89
13-01-2010, 09:30 PM
id prefer the Zastava

Anthrax
14-01-2010, 04:20 AM
Heard great things about Zastava, and if I had an option, I'd go for the M57 as well.

BUT I do own a Type-54 and I'm really happy with it. It was bought almost 10 years ago and it still looks brand new. It also has a safety mechanism and a lot of people will tell you that it doesn't work or that its not reliable. But from my personal experience, trust me, It works!

Holds only 8 rounds but it's still a great pistol!

Some pictures for your consideration:

http://www.postimage.org/Ts2lDRjJ.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/)

http://www.postimage.org/Ts2lEQGi.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/)

Mohammad
14-01-2010, 08:21 PM
one thing that grows curiosity in my mind is the chrome plating of zastava barrel. Is it chrome plated like its chinese counterpart

Vik
17-01-2010, 11:04 AM
please, continue this discussion.very interesting.

Mohammad
17-01-2010, 11:19 AM
overall finishing of the zastava is much better than its chinese counterpart plus it has an elongated grip hence better fits into the palm...

Vik
17-01-2010, 11:21 AM
overall finishing of the zastava is much better than its chinese counterpart plus it has an elongated grip hence better fits into the palm...
Plus One.

Xerga
17-01-2010, 05:47 PM
i think zastava :) because of its better finish!

Mitho
17-01-2010, 05:53 PM
zastava all the way

Young-Khan
17-01-2010, 09:05 PM
Hi fellow members, i am currently working and living in the west, however i have a license for a 30 bore pistol in pakistan.

I purchased then a tt33 of pakistani origin with the license, i pay my annual fee and my license is current. I am planning on going pakistan wish to upgrade as pakistani tt 30 was rubbish and failed me on so many occassions.

I now wish to buy a geniune tt 33 be it chinese serbian or russian, could the senior members advise me on the quality of all the geniune tt 33 of above nations and where one can purchase a geniune article?

I live in chakwal so i can travel up to pindi so if you have any reputable dealers in mind that offer geniune product then please do advise me.

Last question on my license it say tt 30 pakistani made, if i buy a geniune one will that have to rectified and if so how do i go about doing that.

Thankyou all in advance for your experience and help.

Gunpsycho
18-01-2010, 01:18 PM
@Young-Khan. First of all wel come to the Forum. Please check the licence again tt 30 Pakistani would be written by the dealer from whom u had purchased the waepon and not by the licence issuing authority if then you dont need to change any thing

Aamar
18-01-2010, 01:26 PM
@ Anthrax: great pics buddy :)

Dr Zakir
18-01-2010, 01:36 PM
zastava 57 would be good option excellent finish and grip is better then chineese . orginal russian i have not seen one

ADI JUTT
08-11-2010, 10:23 PM
Heard great things about Zastava, and if I had an option, I'd go for the M57 as well.

BUT I do own a Type-54 and I'm really happy with it. It was bought almost 10 years ago and it still looks brand new. It also has a safety mechanism and a lot of people will tell you that it doesn't work or that its not reliable. But from my personal experience, trust me, It works!

Holds only 8 rounds but it's still a great pistol!

Some pictures for your consideration:

http://www.postimage.org/Ts2lDRjJ.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/)

http://www.postimage.org/Ts2lEQGi.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/)





do you want to sale

Crazy Shooter
09-11-2010, 01:12 AM
I own 2 winamax tt now but both are a lil diff from each other and I also own a zastava m57 well both are extremely reliable weapons M57 is well finished and looks really beautiful while when I look at my winamax tt its looks more durable in a situation of self defense I would prefer winamax over M 57 because its a proven handgun and M 57 is new

Crazy Shooter
09-11-2010, 01:35 AM
here are pics of my both handguns
http://s4.postimage.org/5wktA.jpg (http://postimage.org/image/b7031plw/)

http://s4.postimage.org/5wpsS.jpg (http://postimage.org/image/b73e4elg/)

http://s4.postimage.org/5wrY0.jpg (http://postimage.org/image/b751nr38/)

s.cheema
09-11-2010, 02:19 PM
great pics

Silent killerr
09-11-2010, 03:37 PM
In 30 bore, Zastava all the way :)

assad ahmad nawab
09-11-2010, 11:59 PM
zastava great gun, but chinese are also better , if u get a original 1

faisal balouch
10-11-2010, 03:53 AM
+ 1 asad ahmed nawab but zastava serbia is the best in all aspect,

Khalil
03-02-2011, 12:43 PM
Dear Brothers, Isn't it very surpizing to have +votes in favor of Zastava.. but in fact we have all time more and more import of Chinese versions, so more sales in the past. NO technical parameters defined. Here Actually, price does matter and we were having good quality arms from china with low prices.

Enigmatic Desires
06-02-2011, 03:21 AM
I prefer the finishing on the zes. But she does not hav a afety.

Pakistani101
06-02-2011, 10:49 AM
Zastava is not very durable. I faced two major hardware malfunctions in 1700 rounds fired. Chinese original TT does not give such problems.

Faisji
06-02-2011, 11:08 AM
Zastava is not very durable. I faced two major hardware malfunctions in 1700 rounds fired. Chinese original TT does not give such problems.

Really

Plz describe the malfunctions for us.

Pakistani101
06-02-2011, 11:13 AM
1. a pin from guide rod protruded out during fire which prevented slide from closing
2. Locking lever retainer got loose and had to be replaced.

Faisji
06-02-2011, 11:30 AM
Hmm the retainer supposed to be replaced every 5000 rounds but at 1700 i would think that they retainer was not of high quality(local-made)

My gun is currently 2600+ and the retainer is tight

The pin in guide rod could have been damaged either by gun falling/getting hit when slide was retracted or was there a attempt to dismantle the guide rod assembly

SPAYPANTHER
06-02-2011, 05:00 PM
Zastava is not very durable. I faced two major hardware malfunctions in 1700 rounds fired. Chinese original TT does not give such problems.

hum na to pehla he kah tha :)

Pakistani101
06-02-2011, 08:17 PM
hum na to pehla he kah tha :)
What experience you have with this gun. How many rounds fired. What problem it gave you?

SPAYPANTHER
06-02-2011, 09:11 PM
What experience you have with this gun. How many rounds fired. What problem it gave you?

i have test 4 M57 from which 3 guns got FTE!! and over all ratio of FTE was 1\15

javed354
23-03-2011, 02:04 AM
Type 54 is the best pistol after Russian original Tokarave 33. Making long handle is not a big deal for makers. If you know how to grip the pistol then recoil is not an issue. I have many things to say but cut the long story short. Type 54 is The best. Zastava is not bad at all but the best is type 54.

a_k
04-04-2011, 04:18 PM
Good discussion,
can we also know the current prices, availability, ammo prices & availability etc ?

Abbas
07-04-2011, 01:21 PM
I personally think the Chinese specifically Winmax is the best TT you can buy. The second is Zastava's M57. Russians and all others come after these two.

Zaheer
09-04-2011, 02:01 AM
I prefer chinese Winamax as that's famous among .30 fans.

ACHILLES
09-04-2011, 07:27 PM
I personally think the Chinese specifically Winmax is the best TT you can buy. The second is Zastava's M57. Russians and all others come after these two.

Would you kindly explain a bit more. I mean on what basis you rate them like that.

arfat110
12-04-2011, 12:41 AM
my choice is Zastava's M57

Madham
12-04-2011, 05:28 PM
Seniors, i have heard that zastava is being assambled at karachi. is this true? can some one help?

Virk
06-05-2011, 11:47 PM
I'll suggest you Original Chinese Norinco 30 Bore very durable.

Faisji
07-05-2011, 11:54 AM
Seniors, i have heard that zastava is being assambled at karachi. is this true? can some one help?

According to Zastava Arms,they only supply complete units to our country

Huzaifa
08-06-2011, 07:36 PM
How much does Original Chinese Norinco 30 Bore cost?

Zeeshan Malik
08-06-2011, 08:20 PM
Salaam to all fellows,
Time has been changed and we all moved for modren fire arms ,9mm is just a hot cake now these 10 years .butt .30 bore is in our blood like oxygen i know every one on this forum have that beauty or belong with that weapon and still every body looking for any thing better .
Now these days if u wanna find ORIGINAL NORINCO AND WINAMAX its very difficult specially after the chinese .30 pistols comes in computerised numbers, lot of diffrence in old and new pistols .
you search market may be u got norinco or winamax if u r lucky other than dat zastva is good weapon against new unknown and widout any name chinese 30 bore and chinese tt is 18k to 25k and zastava at27k from peshawar .

Regards.
How much does Original Chinese Norinco 30 Bore cost?

Ameer
09-06-2011, 07:23 PM
I like Zastava finish n quality, fired it eout any problem but unfortunately i never owned one for good review. I had 2 TT (local and norinco), they never gave me any problem except for the yearly rusty look of the local one. Recent Chinese TT really comes in bad finish, i dont know how they work.

Zeeshan Malik
12-06-2011, 12:42 PM
I like Zastava finish n quality, fired it eout any problem but unfortunately i never owned one for good review. I had 2 TT (local and norinco), they never gave me any problem except for the yearly rusty look of the local one. Recent Chinese TT really comes in bad finish, i dont know how they work.
Very well said Ameer bro now these days TT comes in very bad quality specially whn u see barrell u notice dat old chinese barells have much much thicker ,and like dat the whole frame is poor in quality .

ACHILLES
12-06-2011, 02:58 PM
m57 is my way of going with TT.

Asiftt
30-06-2011, 12:48 PM
Does both Zastava and Chinese Norinco Stamped .30 bore have same size and weight??

I am bit inclined towards noricno stamped .30 bore because i felt it lighter and slimmer , also 1000+ rounds fired from norinco stamped 30 bore, w no FTF/FTE & not even single jam, always Chinese ammo used. Now the trigger and slide is very smooth and very comfortable, new gun was bit rough n hard.

did anyone compared the weight and profile?

zeeair
20-10-2011, 02:24 AM
Fellows plz keep this in mind that their are 100% genuine looking Darra made clones of Zastava are in the market. Viewed both original bought from Para and cloned got from Darra for Rs.10000 with computer numbers and markings. Can't find any diff. Darra copy is made on CNC machine. But it's a bit of gem. Reliable at some extent I say.

jonnyc
22-10-2011, 05:13 AM
My big concern would be the metallurgy.

Mig
31-12-2011, 08:15 PM
How to Distinguish between Darra Made and original Chinese ?
And whats the current price of Norinco or Winamax Chinese TT ?

Canik
01-01-2012, 03:05 AM
Zastava M57

sadatpk
15-01-2012, 11:41 PM
no matter whether u have chinese or Zastava M57, cal 30 is a must hv item

saad-dlr
16-01-2012, 12:56 PM
Whats the price of Local Khyber Arms TT, Moonstart Arms TT and Chinese TT these days in Karachi ?

Muhammad m
16-01-2012, 02:19 PM
20k for norinco stamp tt
35k for zastava .... if available..
bt a reliable dealer recomended not to buy zastava due to its bad quality....
if its an old one then its worth buying.

Usama
16-01-2012, 06:46 PM
Whats the price of Local Khyber Arms TT, Moonstart Arms TT and Chinese TT these days in Karachi ?


Local made TT may cost from 6k to 8k max ..

Muhammad m
[bt a reliable dealer recomended not to buy zastava due to its bad quality....]

Bro i seriously doubt that if that dealer was 'RELIABLE' at-all

Huzaifa
16-01-2012, 08:23 PM
bt a reliable dealer recomended not to buy zastava due to its bad quality....


Brother who is your dealer? Zastava M57 is reliable & good gun.

Canik
17-01-2012, 01:09 AM
20k for norinco stamp tt
35k for zastava .... if available..
bt a reliable dealer recomended not to buy zastava due to its bad quality....
if its an old one then its worth buying.

its joke of the day.........

sadatpk
07-03-2012, 05:14 PM
i recently purchased type 54 Norinco stamped ,thats v fine,a good option in this price range,now it is over 500 rounds,well built,good looking as well,i got from Para in 22k

SPAYPANTHER
07-03-2012, 09:41 PM
@ Canick

i have been a fan of .30, once i was only consider .30 and at that time i found that many of zestava M57 give problems after 500 to 1000 rounds.... i was surprised to like you, but it happened

sadatpk
16-03-2012, 08:26 PM
pls go for original Norinco cal 30,years of performance r over,no fear better in performance and more concealable than Zastava

SAJJAD ALI
17-03-2012, 12:11 AM
i am facing some FTE in my zastava m57 with chinese 311 11 series ammo,with prvi ammo no FTE or FTF.

Rizshu
17-03-2012, 12:47 AM
i have type 54 Norinco stamped (636) with chinese 311 10 series ammo, never had any problem.

kami
19-03-2012, 12:44 AM
Zestava is the best gun, in hand grip and its never disappoint you.

Rizshu
21-03-2012, 10:09 PM
here is my .30 type 54 chinese 636 pistol manual.

http://www.pakguns.com/showthread.php?3255-Thrilling-30-Cafe-Tees-Bore&p=256583#post256583

SalmanHusain
21-03-2012, 11:08 PM
here is my .30 type 54 chinese 636 pistol manual.

http://www.pakguns.com/showthread.ph...583#post256583

page not found :/

Rizshu
21-03-2012, 11:37 PM
try again bro
http://www.pakguns.com/showthread.php?3255-Thrilling-30-Cafe-Tees-Bore&p=256583#post256583

taha
22-03-2012, 09:58 AM
I've been noticing lately, all security companies - at bus terminals, private guards... if a handgun is given to them, it is the .30 bore (China or Darra don't really know).

Birdshooter007
22-03-2012, 12:48 PM
I've been noticing lately, all security companies - at bus terminals, private guards... if a handgun is given to them, it is the .30 bore (China or Darra don't really know).
Off course! It's the cheapest gun around! And ammo is the cheapest too! They're Darra Made Good for Nothing guns ;)
I saw a guard in a supermarket with a rusted broken desi TT and 6 rounds on his holster that too were rusted! Don't think it works...:becky:

Muhammad m
24-03-2012, 03:30 AM
its joke of the day.........

Ap log tou lena shuru hogaey...

may be he said "the new ones are not as good as the old made" since he had FTE complains in 2 pcs.

SalmanHusain
24-03-2012, 05:11 PM
Off course! It's the cheapest gun around! And ammo is the cheapest too! They're Darra Made Good for Nothing guns ;)
I saw a guard in a supermarket with a rusted broken desi TT and 6 rounds on his holster that too were rusted! Don't think it works...:becky:
on Saturday night i saw a guard at a restaurant with single shot 12bore :P lol i think he still belief chor comes with muskets know a days ;) plus these TT guards are sure useless even with 9mm as they dont know how to use it :P

Safdar Mahmood Khan
21-05-2013, 12:26 PM
Zastava any day brother.

Muhammad m
11-08-2013, 02:49 AM
Hows this shot for a tt ....
at 10 mtrs , not mine

http://i1271.photobucket.com/albums/jj632/Mubashir123/92285830-7A49-44C2-8BDC-CDB3B7FA2B41-60513-00002AE51BE3DFF2_zps74a0cf0a.jpg

http://i1271.photobucket.com/albums/jj632/Mubashir123/58E65209-4469-4555-B6F3-76DEDC19FCE3-60513-00002AE523EBA12E_zps8dc2da84.jpg

Enigmatic Desires
12-08-2013, 03:43 PM
U mean to say that some1 shot the shot shell with a tt at 10 yards?

Ameer
12-08-2013, 06:09 PM
nice accuracy

shahroze
12-08-2013, 06:12 PM
i know some one who can hit bottle caps at that range TT sure is an accurate weapon

Enigmatic Desires
13-08-2013, 02:07 PM
Its not the weapon but the man behind it. With those rudimenaty blade sights lack of ergonomic grip and high recoil.

The guys who are able to tag caps and shot shells definitely deserve my respect.

LakersFan
23-08-2013, 01:17 PM
Hows this shot for a tt ....
at 10 mtrs , not mine

http://i1271.photobucket.com/albums/jj632/Mubashir123/92285830-7A49-44C2-8BDC-CDB3B7FA2B41-60513-00002AE51BE3DFF2_zps74a0cf0a.jpg

http://i1271.photobucket.com/albums/jj632/Mubashir123/58E65209-4469-4555-B6F3-76DEDC19FCE3-60513-00002AE523EBA12E_zps8dc2da84.jpg


Woah!!! Amazing shooting...and with a Tokarev...awesome. Do you know which Tokarev was used to shoot the shell? The Zastava, Chinese, Russian, or Desi?

380ACP
23-08-2013, 11:13 PM
russian,serbian,and chinese tts if original are all decently accurate but when it comes to quality nome beats the original winamax tt. I have M57,russian tt but i like winamax more than any other tt i had exp with.

Muhammad m
24-08-2013, 03:37 AM
Woah!!! Amazing shooting...and with a Tokarev...awesome. Do you know which Tokarev was used to shoot the shell? The Zastava, Chinese, Russian, or Desi?

A guy named iqbal does this for fun
saw a few dozen shells that he shot

AND, he does the same on 7.62 ak shells, .30 shells too

the weapon used is an old rusty chinese rare tt with a missing safety.
any by rusty i mean WASH HANDS after holding the gun.... That rusty :)

Verve
24-08-2013, 04:19 AM
A guy named iqbal does this for fun
saw a few dozen shells that he shot

AND, he does the same on 7.62 ak shells, .30 shells too

the weapon used is an old rusty chinese rare tt with a missing safety.
any by rusty i mean WASH HANDS after holding the gun.... That rusty :)

A Natural Born Shooter ...

J.Durrani
25-02-2014, 07:21 PM
As far as weight is concerned, old Norinco TT has an edge over Zastava M57 .30 pistols.

hmd
25-02-2014, 08:12 PM
Nice shooting seriously this man can really shoot .