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Sensei
30-12-2009, 11:14 PM
@All help me to find out a new chinese underlever .22 airgun
from karachi market any one who could tell me about its price and availability your assistant would be higly appreciated :)

Enigmatic Desires
31-12-2009, 02:11 AM
Was in saddar today.. and have been taking an interest in airguns lately. have never seen the type U mentioned. Not yet anyway..

Sensei
31-12-2009, 03:25 AM
@ED Thanks buddy for current info though sounds really so bad
what to do as my boy dont like break barrel he want some thing
stylish :(

Salahuddin Ayubi
31-12-2009, 09:05 AM
These were several chinese underlevers I saw at a couple of shops in Saddar Lucky Star a few weeks back.

Please take out some time to roam around. I am confident, you'll find what you're looking for.

Enigmatic Desires
31-12-2009, 10:43 AM
I tried sindh armoury.. they have desi AGs #2 2k discount to 1900 & 1# @1550 discount 1500.. That lill shop carries gamo and chinese least expensive was Rs. 3500 chinese.. Mustufa ibraheem and the rest of em only have break barrels.. SA bhai if U remember any shop that has lever actions. I would love to know which shop?

The darned rats disapear after the 1st shot.. always!

Sensei
10-01-2010, 08:07 PM
@ED as I can remember you was not intrested in under liver or may be some thing like this ??

Gilani
10-01-2010, 08:10 PM
How are Chinese air guns as compared to Turkish airguns? Any views.

SalmanHusain
10-01-2010, 08:48 PM
@ED plz give some update on airguns prices and availablity as myself and amar1962 wants to buy one. which is the best gun in range of 5k

Dr Hanif Malik
10-01-2010, 10:53 PM
How are Chinese air guns as compared to Turkish airguns? Any views.
hatsun escort 125 and 135 models are very fine and better to china front sight and rear sight like gamo 1000 also power of guns up to 1000fps.you can also visit web site turkish air guns:)

Gilani
10-01-2010, 11:48 PM
How are Chinese air guns as compared to Turkish airguns? Any views.
hatsun escort 125 and 135 models are very fine and better to china front sight and rear sight like gamo 1000 also power of guns up to 1000fps.you can also visit web site turkish air guns:)
Thanks for the information Dr. Sahib. I have been told that you are quite an authority on airguns. Any idea of current prices of Hatsun Escort 125 and 135?
regards

KageFox
11-01-2010, 12:02 AM
For Chinese underlevers, hunt around a bit in the shops in Lucky Star. I saw underlevers at a couple of shops, but that was quite a while ago...

Dr Hanif Malik
11-01-2010, 02:43 PM
How are Chinese air guns as compared to Turkish airguns? Any views.
hatsun escort 125 and 135 models are very fine and better to china front sight and rear sight like gamo 1000 also power of guns up to 1000fps.you can also visit web site turkish air guns:)
Thanks for the information Dr. Sahib. I have been told that you are quite an authority on airguns. Any idea of current prices of Hatsun Escort 125 and 135?
regards
@ brother, i am also intersting in hatsun air guns they are world class like theire shot guns but i am doubt the prices will not differ much like shotguns,karachi,lahore and peshawar members can better tell us about prices,price may be between 200$ to 250$ are lookin high side:)

Mitho
13-01-2010, 06:55 PM
@sensi
shop on right of ammar an co and left of al harris has it .was askin 4400.but the wooden frame had a crack so i left it and bought a pakistani one.

Mitho
13-01-2010, 06:57 PM
qouted 15k for gammo 2 no.second hand american 15k.
no air pistol was avalaible.

Naveed_pk
13-01-2010, 07:07 PM
qouted 15k for gammo 2 no.second hand american 15k.
no air pistol was avalaible.

Gammo shadow 15k or gammo cadet ?????

Dr Hanif Malik
13-01-2010, 07:39 PM
qouted 15k for gammo 2 no.second hand american 15k.
no air pistol was avalaible.
thanks for update,any information regarding turkish air guns please also info price etc:)

Mitho
14-01-2010, 12:48 PM
did not see any turkish

Sensei
14-01-2010, 05:34 PM
@sensi
shop on right of ammar an co and left of al harris has it .was askin 4400.but the wooden frame had a crack so i left it and bought a pakistani one.

@Mitho thank you so much :) but Doctor Sahib was there just one under liver with broken frame? :o

Anthrax
14-01-2010, 07:48 PM
I bought the same under lever airgun a few months back for about 3500. It's available at mostly all firearms shops here.

Sensei
15-01-2010, 01:46 AM
@Anthrax dear is you airgun chinese made B-3 model ?

Anthrax
15-01-2010, 02:07 AM
@Anthrax dear is you airgun chinese made B-3 model ?

I'll post the pictures soon bro.

Salahuddin Ayubi
15-01-2010, 10:14 AM
What's the difference between a B2-1 and B3-1 airgun. I have the B2 chinese.

Sensei
16-01-2010, 12:57 AM
@Salahuddin B3-1 is an under liver airgun and your B2-1 is a break barrel airgun as I remember. well here is a pic of B3-1 model :)
http://s2.postimage.org/lSer9.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=TslSer9)


http://s4.postimage.org/1rQfr0.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=aV1rQfr0)

Naveed_pk
16-01-2010, 12:29 PM
Sensei bro this model is of @2600 in lahore Neela gumbad market :)

Gilani
16-01-2010, 06:57 PM
I bought the same under lever airgun a few months back for about 3500. It's available at mostly all firearms shops here.
How is the performance of your gun, Sir ?

Dr Hanif Malik
16-01-2010, 07:27 PM
under liver china airgun is good for bird hunting pressure of the gun,means muzzle velosity about 700fps enough for dove pigeon,crow up to the distance 25,30mtr:)only problems of the hard trigger,and heavy weight.price should be below 3k:)

Dr Hanif Malik
16-01-2010, 07:35 PM
here is my old under liver almost retired gun but even then capable to hunt some good pigeons:)
http://s2.postimage.org/nD_Wr.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=TsnD_Wr)

Dr Hanif Malik
16-01-2010, 07:37 PM
http://s1.postimage.org/4WF1i.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gx4WF1i)

Dr Hanif Malik
16-01-2010, 07:39 PM
http://s1.postimage.org/4X0tA.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gx4X0tA)

Dr Hanif Malik
16-01-2010, 07:49 PM
@ao above pictures are taken during hunt interval at dera in all punjabi style if some friends not liking the style please apologize in advance:)

Gilani
16-01-2010, 09:30 PM
Dr. Sahib, I love the style. Its so original and relaxing, no need to feel bad about it. And great pics, by the way. :)

Gilani
16-01-2010, 09:32 PM
And as per your comments, Chinese air gun seems to be an effective one. The accuracy and power seems to be good. Is this best available model in Chinese guns or there are other models also?

Denovo87
16-01-2010, 09:40 PM
Nice picture Dr bro, pigeons look very close relitives of parrot :) nice pose by the way like the pure Punjabi style, will love to share puffs of HUQQA with you some time.

Usama
17-01-2010, 12:56 AM
Missing my broken Sheesha.. :D
And yes Denovo87 it seems to be a parrot to mee as well..

Dr Hanif Malik
17-01-2010, 10:11 PM
Missing my broken Sheesha.. :D
And yes Denovo87 it seems to be a parrot to mee as well..
bhai these are yellow foot african pigeons,these birds come mostly in
winter on the bair tree forget orignal name of tree.
@denovo87 inshalla during gtg will meet:)
@gilani sahab china making very fine airguns but only importing to usa and euro countries,cast about 120 to200$:)

Gilani
17-01-2010, 11:01 PM
@gilani sahab china making very fine airguns but only importing to usa and euro countries,cast about 120 to200$:)

Thanks for the information Doctor Sahib. Are these guns available in Pakistan. What I have learnt from various post is that Chinese guns cost 3500-4500 Rs. Are these some lower quality guns??

Dr Hanif Malik
18-01-2010, 07:23 PM
@gilani sahab china making very fine airguns but only importing to usa and euro countries,cast about 120 to200$:)

Thanks for the information Doctor Sahib. Are these guns available in Pakistan. What I have learnt from various post is that Chinese guns cost 3500-4500 Rs. Are these some lower quality guns??
in pakistan are very comom type old guns are available come through china pakistan highway,two model underliver and push button breakable barrel are lowest price and standard prices are between 2k to 3k:)below pics are some good guns.
http://s3.postimage.org/1OSZEr.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=Pq1OSZEr)

Dr Hanif Malik
18-01-2010, 07:24 PM
http://s3.postimage.org/1OTb79.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=Pq1OTb79)

Dr Hanif Malik
18-01-2010, 07:26 PM
http://s1.postimage.org/br_gS.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gxbr_gS)
http://s4.postimage.org/1zT9m0.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=aV1zT9m0)

Anthrax
18-01-2010, 07:41 PM
@Salahuddin B3-1 is an under liver airgun and your B2-1 is a break barrel airgun as I remember. well here is a pic of B3-1 model :)
http://s2.postimage.org/lSer9.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=TslSer9)


http://s4.postimage.org/1rQfr0.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=aV1rQfr0)

I had this model.

Gilani: I didn't use it much but it was just ok, nothing too impressive. Sold it to a member on the forum. He's quite happy with it and also hunted a few doves with it.

Gilani
19-01-2010, 06:53 PM
@Salahuddin B3-1 is an under liver airgun and your B2-1 is a break barrel airgun as I remember. well here is a pic of B3-1 model :)
http://s2.postimage.org/lSer9.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=TslSer9)


http://s4.postimage.org/1rQfr0.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=aV1rQfr0)

I had this model.

Gilani: I didn't use it much but it was just ok, nothing too impressive. Sold it to a member on the forum. He's quite happy with it and also hunted a few doves with it.
Thanks for the information :)

Gilani
19-01-2010, 06:54 PM
http://s3.postimage.org/1OTb79.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=Pq1OTb79)
This seems to be a nice one, Dr Sahib :)

Usama
20-01-2010, 01:12 AM
I had a bolt action air gun some months back..Are there any Chinese variants of it available.?

Enigmatic Desires
20-01-2010, 01:39 AM
err.. how does the underliver actuly work? I know the break berrel mechanism. have used it extensively.. but the underliver thingy? is something I hav never seen before? is it capable of semi auto fire?

Sensei
24-01-2010, 05:15 AM
well I got it today(under liver) at 3500 one box of 100 pellets is included asking rate was 4200 Rs I also have checked the price
at Pioneer arms and two more shops but their final price was 4K
this is Saheen Traders a very small shop next to H.M Traders and just front to Pioneer arms a young boy was there and he gave me this Chinese B-3 1 model at 3500Rs I think this is good
deal the gun is powerful & good for my boy :)

Oh I missed the range report of this gun I have killed two big and black rats at night very successfully one shot one kill :)

Gilani
24-01-2010, 07:09 PM
@Sensei
Congrats on your new purchase Sir. :)

@Dr Hanif Malik
Sir, how do you compare Chinese B3-1 with Sargodha made air guns ?

SPAYPANTHER
24-01-2010, 09:33 PM
here is my old under liver almost retired gun but even then capable to hunt some good pigeons:)
http://s2.postimage.org/nD_Wr.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=TsnD_Wr)



you have killed a beauty :(

Sensei
25-01-2010, 01:35 AM
@Gilani thanks brother :)

Usama
25-01-2010, 11:56 PM
Oh I missed the range report of this gun I have killed two big and black rats at night very successfully one shot one kill :)

Congratz bro..!! I have also visited that airgun shope few days back...he showed me one air Pistol as well...@ 3.5k

Dr Hanif Malik
28-01-2010, 09:59 AM
@Sensei
Congrats on your new purchase Sir. :)

@Dr Hanif Malik
Sir, how do you compare Chinese B3-1 with Sargodha made air guns ?

thanks gilani sahib ,i am late ,nice gtg was at lahore,missed you peoples:)the older under liver was heavy and more accurate,comparsin sargodha and chine is only differ of rear sight chine is better some point sargodha made ,is more difficult in trigger,price wise china guns at lahore and peshawar are more cheap than karachi if you got under 3k then buy china:)

Gilani
28-01-2010, 03:31 PM
Thanks for the advice Dr sahib, I will buy one (or may be two) within next two days, inshaAllah :)

Dr Hanif Malik
28-01-2010, 09:32 PM
@usama please give more detail about air pistol:)

KageFox
28-01-2010, 10:25 PM
err.. how does the underliver actuly work? I know the break berrel mechanism. have used it extensively.. but the underliver thingy? is something I hav never seen before? is it capable of semi auto fire?

More or less the same mechanism as the break-barrel, the only difference is that the barrel is fixed and the pellet is loaded via a chamber which slides open, upon working the under-lever. Similar case with a side-lever. And no, it is not capable of semi-auto fire, a feature only found in a few spring loaded BB guns, and exclusive (where pellets are concerned) to CO2 and PCPs.

Sensei
31-01-2010, 02:44 PM
well here is my new chinese B3-1 .22 Airgun bought in 3500K

http://s1.postimage.org/MZAcJ.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gxMZAcJ)

http://s4.postimage.org/cNGVJ.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=aVcNGVJ)

Usama
31-01-2010, 02:56 PM
@usama please give more detail about air pistol:)

That looked ugly and heavy so i drop the idea of buying..!!

Faheem
31-01-2010, 07:43 PM
well here is my new chinese B3-1 .22 Airgun bought in 3500K


Nice air gun sensei bro...looking good

SPAYPANTHER
31-01-2010, 08:05 PM
really good loocking :cool:

Dr Hanif Malik
31-01-2010, 10:13 PM
@usama brother heavy gun always produce good accuracey:)

Sensei
01-02-2010, 12:34 AM
@usama brother heavy gun always produce good accuracey:)

like my B3-1 :) Dr,Sahib its bit heavy and nice power :)

Yardie Jutt
01-02-2010, 12:49 AM
@usama brother heavy gun always produce good accuracey:)

i wonder my gamo cadet is not very heavy, yet so accurate :)

Yardie Jutt
01-02-2010, 12:51 AM
@ KF please explain what PCPs are???

Sensei
01-02-2010, 12:52 AM
Hummm Gamo is a class Yardie jutt no match with any chinese

hassanbilal
01-02-2010, 02:53 AM
asalam o alukum..
how r u?hope u all r f9..
i need air rifel in used minasib price main.....
m 4rm karachi.......


@sensi
yar yah china wali gun main nai 2 year pahlay peshawar say 1800 ki li the..same yahi cheez the with scope....
but ab mujhy diana, gamo,BSA yah pump action wali beljum frankline typi asi koi gun chayea....

Gilani
01-02-2010, 10:35 AM
well here is my new chinese B3-1 .22 Airgun bought in 3500K

http://s1.postimage.org/MZAcJ.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gxMZAcJ)

http://s4.postimage.org/cNGVJ.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=aVcNGVJ)

Nice airgun Sensei bro, I also bought one day before yesterday in 2600 but have'nt tested it yet. But I am happy to hear that its its accurate and powerful.
Happy shooting bro. :)

Sensei
01-02-2010, 01:59 PM
@Gilani why you told me the price buddy :( 2600 Rs sounds so jealous indeed :/ just kidding congrats to you for your purchase and hope you will surely find it very powerful and accurate :)

Dr Hanif Malik
01-02-2010, 08:02 PM
@gilani sahib mubarak for good purchase and price ,in peshawar it may be more cheap:)

Gilani
01-02-2010, 11:35 PM
@gilani sahib mubarak for good purchase and price ,in peshawar it may be more cheap:)
Thanks Dr sahib. Yes, it may be a couple of hundred rupees cheaper in Peshawar :)

Gilani
01-02-2010, 11:46 PM
@Gilani why you told me the price buddy :( 2600 Rs sounds so jealous indeed :/ just kidding congrats to you for your purchase and hope you will surely find it very powerful and accurate :)
Bro this is really something. There should not be so much of difference in prices. :| Now in my case, myself and Naveed_pk just walked into a shop without even knowing the guy. He said 2700 and sold it to me in 2600 after 5 minutes. And if you recall Anthrax also posted of buying the same airgun in 2600 a little while ago. But never mind bro, just enjoy your air rifle. By the way, I also got a Tesco scope with it in 1500. The scope looks just ok, will work for the kids (I have bought this air gun for my son :).
Regards

Sensei
02-02-2010, 07:59 PM
I bought the same under lever airgun a few months back for about 3500. It's available at mostly all firearms shops here.

Well Gilani brother above is Anthrax post so I really dont have any regret he has also paid 3500 Rs in Lahore so its Ok :cool:
I also have purchased this gun for my Tally Badsha (son) :)

KageFox
02-02-2010, 09:24 PM
@Yardie: PCPs: Pre-Compressed Pneumatics. Basically, there is an air chamber within a gun, filled using a hand (or foot) pump. The air is used for a number of shots, which depend on power of each shot.

Now that everyone seems to be after an under-lever... has anyone seen any under-lever air pistols around? Saw one in a magazine, wanted to know if there's something in the market...

Gilani
02-02-2010, 10:47 PM
I bought the same under lever airgun a few months back for about 3500. It's available at mostly all firearms shops here.

Well Gilani brother above is Anthrax post so I really dont have any regret he has also paid 3500 Rs in Lahore so its Ok :cool:
I also have purchased this gun for my Tally Badsha (son) :)
OK......... so I am the lucky one. I hope mine is not number do :rolleyes: :o

Sensei
03-02-2010, 05:47 PM
Heinnnnnn :o:o 2 number in airguns?? could you plz share some pics of that

Gilani
03-02-2010, 06:57 PM
Sensei bro, it exactly looks like your B3-1, no difference that I can feel.

The scope of the rifle was absolutely out when my son first fired with it. I had to zero it and then it started firing quite accurately from 30 m. Here are the results. Please dont mind the target, it's been prepared by my sons and they have there own criterion for marking it. Roughly, centre circle is 1.5 inch radius and outer ones are less than one inch. The total width of target is normal paper size.

http://s3.postimage.org/B9h_i.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=PqB9h_i)

Most of the shots have been fired by my sons. The rifle seems quite accurate from 30 m. However, two things :(

The loading of slugs is absolutely annoying. Not a pleasure at all. :(
Secondly, the scope fell off after firing say 40 shots. :o

Generally speaking, the air gun is quite accurate and powerful. The gun is making tight groups of around 2 inches. The shots going wild are firers fault and have been fired by my younger son. Not a bad buy in 2600 I believe :)

Denovo87
03-02-2010, 07:53 PM
Nice shooting, pat the young man's back. Regarding the scope felling of, had this problem with my kids gun aswell but used double tape (thin one) on the rails (where rings catch the gun) and on the scope (where rings are tighten) aswell. After that its holding its place for good 300-400 shots.

Gilani
03-02-2010, 07:55 PM
Thanks for the advice denovo sahib. I will surely do the same :)

Gilani
04-02-2010, 06:04 PM
Today we took along the air gun while going for pistol shooting in the evening. B3-1 air rifle is indeed a very accurate and powerful rifle. My son fired on the target which had a tin plate behind it (as it is in the standard range targets). The slugs were not only hitting mostly in the bull but were also passing through the tin very easily and hitting a long distance behind.

Here is my 14 years old son firing with B3-1
http://s3.postimage.org/ELPVi.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=PqELPVi)

Firing from 25 m
http://s1.postimage.org/_5rsA.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gx_5rsA)
This was the target..........You can see that the black bull is around 1.5 inches diameter (4 cm exactly) and the first circle is a little more than 3 inches (8 cm exactly)
http://s4.postimage.org/pR3G0.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=aVpR3G0)
Here is result is 25 slugs fired from 25 meters. 13 were fired with elbow resting on bench and 12 were fired while standing. Firer is my 14 years old son Haider.
http://s1.postimage.org/_884i.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gx_884i)
This is the closeup. You can see the bull devastated (bull is 4cm diameter / 2 cm radius) with slugs with a number of slugs passing through very closely, creating large size holes. All slugs are within 3.25 (8 cm) inch circle with only three slugs hitting in the 12 cm circle.
http://s2.postimage.org/1gK6V9.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=Ts1gK6V9)

What else one could expect from a 14 years old firing with a 2600 Rs airgun :rolleyes:
Conclusion: B3-1 is worth every penny you spend on it :)

Naveed_pk
04-02-2010, 06:15 PM
Gilani sir... a very nice review.. Your son shoots perfectly .. Keep it up.. :)

Gilani
04-02-2010, 06:24 PM
Thanks Naveed bro. I feel Haider has a natural talent for firing. He is carelessly relaxed while firing and still hits many of them in the bull. May be its time to take him to someone like Skeeter60 sahib for further guidance. :)

Naveed_pk
04-02-2010, 06:26 PM
Yes Gilani bro... This is the time.. He can improves a lot.. i think after 1 month u have to buy .22 rifle for him :)

Gilani
04-02-2010, 06:52 PM
i think after 1 month u have to buy .22 rifle for him :)
I would rather like him to concentrate on his exams next month and keep doing air gun shooting in the backyard for a break :)

A.Abbas
04-02-2010, 07:16 PM
Excellent, viewing the pictures, I think junior got the natural stance and balance for gun, he 'll be excellent shooter in future with your guidance. :)
On the second point, totally agree, time for gun practice will come for many many more times and there is no age limit, but the education, no compromise as you got a very specific time frame and if we look back in our lives, I 'll say a sort of short.

Dr Hanif Malik
04-02-2010, 07:23 PM
@gilani sahib mubarak your son is on right path.some points please consider important.
1,standing position is most difficult than prone and sitting,therefore first start from easy to difficult.

2 air gun holding with left hand is not correct way it is only for birds hunting,for target shooting correct position will be difficult to descibe you here please search google for compition shooting .
3 remove the scope and start target shooting from 10mtrs with prone ,,,lying position.

4 after sufficent practise move to furthar in sitting position.

5 now you can start with standing with correct position,but still scope not to be used.

realy i am happy to see your son,s target result with this type of chakra airgun.

6 after some month practis throw this heavy and hard trigger gun,and get gamo or other compititive air gun for your son.he is a good shooter work hard under some coaching:)

Gilani
04-02-2010, 07:26 PM
Thanks for the comment A. Abbas sahib :)

Gilani
04-02-2010, 07:32 PM
realy i am happy to see your son,s target result with this type of chakra airgun.

Dr Sahib............... http://www.mysmiley.net/imgs/smile/mad/mad0039.gif (http://www.mysmiley.net/free-msn-smileys.php) http://www.mysmiley.net/imgs/smile/mad/mad0101.gif (http://www.mysmiley.net/free-tongue-smileys.php) I just thought I had made an excellent buy http://www.mysmiley.net/imgs/smile/sad/sad0018.gif (http://www.mysmiley.net/free-happy-smileys.php) http://www.gashing.com/smile/sad/sad0020.gif (http://www.squidoo.com/scuba-diving-guide)

This was on the lighter side. Thanks a lot for the tips. I will have my son read them carefully. :)
regards

Sensei
04-02-2010, 07:33 PM
@Gilani brother very nice to see your young gunner son :cool:
very very nice shooting indeed great location you have there at Mangla really amazing & nice results of B3-1 impressive :)

Gilani
04-02-2010, 07:47 PM
Thanks Sensei bro :)

Sensei
04-02-2010, 09:58 PM
realy i am happy to see your son,s target result with this type of chakra airgun.



Chakra Airgun ?????
http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-laughing025.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php)

Dr Hanif Malik
05-02-2010, 09:10 AM
realy i am happy to see your son,s target result with this type of chakra airgun.



Chakra Airgun ?????
http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-laughing025.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php)
@sensei,
@gilani, brothers actualy i am not pulling down this air gun,practise on this gun i say very helpful like fast bowler to bowl on slow pitch,later he will be very good on standard pitch or air guns shooting.when ever gilani sahib will hand over good trigger gun to son like gamo 640 or other match type the result will be amazing:)

Gilani
05-02-2010, 09:15 AM
OK............. so far so good :)
Dr Sahib, what I was referring to was the performance of the air gun with regard to price that I have paid. On this criterion, I find it a very good deal. Isn't it? :)

Salahuddin Ayubi
05-02-2010, 09:18 PM
realy i am happy to see your son,s target result with this type of chakra airgun.

Dr Sahib............... :( :o I just thought I had made an excellent buy :mad: :D

This was on the lighter side. Thanks a lot for the tips. I will have my son read them carefully. :)
regards

Just skip the 'chakra' part when you have him read this.

Gilani
05-02-2010, 10:38 PM
Just skip the 'chakra' part when you have him read this.

Well Sir, he has already read it and in fact was just asking me " you told me its a very good quality gun :o :o". I immediately replied, " well if it was not a good gun than how could you shoot that well with it". He was apparently satisfied but I think I will have buy a good one for him after a while. :/
regards

Sensei
06-02-2010, 07:55 PM
http://s1.postimage.org/4X0tA.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gx4X0tA)

@Gilani yar nothing to worry just show this pic of Dr.Sahib to your son http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-happy005.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php)

Gilani
06-02-2010, 08:40 PM
:D :D
By the way you have an excellent collection of smilies I must say :)

Dr Hanif Malik
06-02-2010, 09:46 PM
@sensei,digging old pic?yar very danger man:)
@s ayubi sahib,are you free from some meeting?

@ sir gilani sahib,a man behind the gun always fit for your son:)all above please let some rest to me for morning hunt:)
http://s1.postimage.org/5GslJ.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gx5GslJ)

Dr Hanif Malik
06-02-2010, 10:01 PM
@syed abbas sha,i did not succeded to mail you on yahoo the air gun which gillani sahib son using is the best for you,if you want to know sargodha made please vist sadar armoury karachi or pioner shop thank:)

Salahuddin Ayubi
06-02-2010, 10:56 PM
@ Dr Hanif Malik,

The meeting's on 22nd. Will be free after then.

shahsaeen
06-02-2010, 11:05 PM
Thank you dr. Malik sahib. What i require is power for hunting doves. Which of the two in .22 china b3-1 or .22 sargoda made is powerful?

Sensei
06-02-2010, 11:16 PM
Dr.Sahib I am your buddy Sir not a danger man, http://freesmileyface.net/smiley/Laughing/lol-053.gif (http://freesmileyface.net/Free-Laughing-Smileys.html)the reason of giving this pic is just to remove the concerns of Gilani`s son that this guns is fine becoz also using by Dr.Sahib successfuly http://www.easyfreesmileys.com/smileys/lol-057.gif (http://www.easyfreesmileys.com/Free-Adult-Smileys/)

Gilani
07-02-2010, 12:41 AM
Dr.Sahib I am your buddy Sir not a danger man, http://freesmileyface.net/smiley/Laughing/lol-053.gif (http://freesmileyface.net/Free-Laughing-Smileys.html)the reason of giving this pic is just to remove the concerns of Gilani`s son that this guns is fine becoz also using by Dr.Sahib successfuly http://www.easyfreesmileys.com/smileys/lol-057.gif (http://www.easyfreesmileys.com/Free-Adult-Smileys/)
Again, a unique smilie :D

Sensei
07-02-2010, 04:06 AM
Thank you brother Gilani http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-whacky057.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php)

KageFox
07-02-2010, 11:03 AM
Hey guys! There's been a lot of talk about the underlever B3. Can anyone tell me the length of the chamber. I was thinking about getting the rifle and making a few modifications.... :D like darts and stuff...

Dr Hanif Malik
07-02-2010, 07:10 PM
Thank you dr. Malik sahib. What i require is power for hunting doves. Which of the two in .22 china b3-1 or .22 sargoda made is powerful?

more than 400fps power can be used for small birds hunting,china airgun having 600 and sargodha made also the same power,now a day choice between these two china will be better for price wise,sargodha airguns are gone up to 2.8k and china price is also near about,and also a imported:)

Dr Hanif Malik
07-02-2010, 07:13 PM
@thanks,sensei,s ayubi,and gilani sahib enjoy and be always smilling:)

shahsaeen
08-02-2010, 01:20 AM
I have researched about chinese b3 underlever air rifle. One astonishing fact i have come across is that while loading a pellet it can chop off part of your finger. There is no built in safety mechanism to prevent this from happening. This could result in a very tragic mishap. Even if you are careful accidents can happen and with time the chinese parts can act unpredictably and cause this accident. Please stop using this gun or atleast forbid your children from using it.

Sensei
08-02-2010, 03:05 AM
Heinnnnhttp://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-scared007.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php) http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-scared007.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php)

Dr Hanif Malik
08-02-2010, 07:39 AM
@shah sahib this is fect,but using carefully we can be safe. i am using along my old diana and sargodha model since many years but no problems,even then you are dubble mind then other china model break barrel thum press button,is also very good in small amount:):)

Salahuddin Ayubi
08-02-2010, 09:28 AM
The problem lies in the trigger part which does not complete locks up while you are loading the airgun. Have it checked out.

Topak
08-02-2010, 01:31 PM
I have researched about chinese b3 underlever air rifle. One astonishing fact i have come across is that while loading a pellet it can chop off part of your finger. There is no built in safety mechanism to prevent this from happening. This could result in a very tragic mishap. Even if you are careful accidents can happen and with time the chinese parts can act unpredictably and cause this accident. Please stop using this gun or atleast forbid your children from using it.
hnnnnnnnnnnn
i am planning to buy this gun and was just leaving for shop,but .........now i am double minded to buy this.... :o

Gilani
08-02-2010, 05:17 PM
I have researched about chinese b3 underlever air rifle. One astonishing fact i have come across is that while loading a pellet it can chop off part of your finger. There is no built in safety mechanism to prevent this from happening. This could result in a very tragic mishap. Even if you are careful accidents can happen and with time the chinese parts can act unpredictably and cause this accident. Please stop using this gun or atleast forbid your children from using it.
:o :o :( :( :rolleyes:
Shahsaeen, any practical experience Sir or is it the information available on the internet?

Dr Hanif Malik
08-02-2010, 08:27 PM
I have researched about chinese b3 underlever air rifle. One astonishing fact i have come across is that while loading a pellet it can chop off part of your finger. There is no built in safety mechanism to prevent this from happening. This could result in a very tragic mishap. Even if you are careful accidents can happen and with time the chinese parts can act unpredictably and cause this accident. Please stop using this gun or atleast forbid your children from using it.
:o :o :( :( :rolleyes:
Shahsaeen, any practical experience Sir or is it the information available on the internet?


@@gilani sahib,this air gun can injured a man while loding with carless:)

Gilani
08-02-2010, 08:35 PM
@gilani sahib,this air gun can injured a man while loding with carless:)

Thanks Dr sahib. This means its not a safe airgun to be given to kids. Any precautionary measures to avoid such an accident?

Sensei
08-02-2010, 08:45 PM
@Topak @Gilani brothers I have checked my B3-1 today after this news was break on Pakguns By Shahsaeen,I simply open the chamber of the gun and found it is connected with under liver so it is moving forth and back only with lever movement so I think it would be more save to load it with holding the lever tightly secondly I did another experience I set the lever position
on different level and pull the trigger nothing happened infact
I dont think this gun could be dangerous if used properly and it is essential for every gun http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-confused013.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php)

Gilani
08-02-2010, 09:31 PM
Thanks for the input Sensei bro :)

Salahuddin Ayubi
09-02-2010, 09:20 AM
@gilani sahib,this air gun can injured a man while loding with carless:)

Thanks Dr sahib. This means its not a safe airgun to be given to kids. Any precautionary measures to avoid such an accident?

There was a detailed writeup posted sometime back on PakGuns by one of our members regarding safety measures while using airguns. I think it was in the Special Interest section. Please search it out. It was a very well-written post and will be extremely useful for every air gunner.

Sensei
09-02-2010, 12:51 PM
No Salahuddin nothing like this on 5 pages of special intrest
http://www.easyfreesmileys.com/smileys/free-sad-smileys-736.gif (http://www.easyfreesmileys.com/facebook-smileys.html) http://www.easyfreesmileys.com/smileys/free-sad-smileys-736.gif (http://www.easyfreesmileys.com/facebook-smileys.html)

Salahuddin Ayubi
09-02-2010, 12:56 PM
Lemme search it out during lunch break. Give me an hour please.

Sensei
09-02-2010, 01:04 PM
it would be so nice of you my dear thanx alots :)

Salahuddin Ayubi
09-02-2010, 02:08 PM
Here you go


An air rifle is a big package of fun if used wisely. I will not recommend giving it to youngsters until they develop a sense of responsibilty and maturity of thinking.

What i mean is that one has to treat it with respect just like anyother firearm. If you dont treat it with respect it can cause you and your loved ones around you irreparable harm.

While handling it make sure the safety is always ON only just before you shoot turn it OFF, Never point it at anyone or anything that you dont want to shoot at even if it is empty, while loading keep your finger away from the trigger and safety ON otherwise if fired in that position the barrel can hit you with tremendous force in the face or if you happen to put your finger at the break point (where the barrel breaks from the frame) can result in cut fingers.

I am right handed, to load i place the Buttplate at my hip region and with gun pointed at an angle to my body using my left hand (grasping the solid end of the frame, no where near the trigger) and the Safety ON. I then grasp the end of the barrel with my right hand and load it. Then i put the pellet in using my right hand and then return the barrel to the earlier position again using right hand. All this time the gun is held solidly against my body with my left hand. In this position if the gun was to fire my right hand would have controlled the barrel hitting my face and during this entire action my fingers are no where near the breaking part that might have caused them to be cut in two.

Now that the gun is loaded always point it in a direction where if the pellet was to be fired no harm would be done. You have to make a habit of using your brain quite often. You have to think each time before shooting at an intended target. You have to always plan for what if the pellet does not hit the target and what will happen if it hits the target. You should know ahead of taking your shot what will happen. For example when i shoot i look at what is behind the target (a mud wall or a concrete wall or a brick wall or a tree or a bush, a rubber tire) these are just a few examples and all will give different results like the mud wall will absorb the pellet in itself, the concrete wall will cause it to ricochet at tremendous speed, the brick wall will cause less speed ricochet, a tree if it is hard wood will cause tremendous high speed ricochet, a bush will let the pellet pass (now what is behind the bush?), a rubber tire will again cause high speed ricochet.

Now with the speed and type of ricochet expected we will have to predict the angle of deflection. It is just like putting a ball in a hole at a game of pool or snooker. Remember Newtons law every action has an equal and opposite reaction. For example you hit a concrete wall at an angle of 45 degree from the left side it will deflect the pellet with speed towards the right at an angle of 45 degree. So you understand if you fire at the wall standing in front of it the pellet will come flying towards you (what if it hits you in the eye?).

Allah swt has given you only one set of eyes so always wear eye protection. Not the ordinary glasses but polycarbon glasses. They are tough and will not shatter they are also used in bullet proof glass as layers. I got mine from Shaheen traders for Rs.1,500.

Also always make sure the people around you know you are shooting and ask them to move over if you feel the pellet can come there way.

Now i hope you understand why this low powered air rifle when compared to gamo shadow is best for use inside home, and in city. The limit of ricochet can be judged and the possibility of overkill minimised. Overkill is if the pellet does not hit the target it can travel at lethal speed and hit something behind it like a man passing on the road. Or the pellet can pass right through the targets body and hit something behind again at lethal speeds.

Now if i had the same gun in .17 caliber instead of .22 the pellet would have generated more speed therefore the possibility of high speed ricochets and overkill would have been more.

Also .22 is more suitable for hunting because .17 pellet is only useful if you make a head shot. if you take a body shot the pellet will either pass through and the animal will run away or if you are lucky the pellet will hit a bone. With .22 a head shot will work and the body shot will put the animal in a state of shock and you will have time to put another pellet into it. Also it will penetrate and stay inside the body of the victim.

ANOTHER IMPORTANT THING LEAD IS POISONOUS, can cause CANCER and IMPOTENCY. Do not touch your face or eat anything while shooting with your hands. Always wash them thoroughly after shooting.


Link : http://www.pakguns.com/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=62367#p62367



Please note that the third para above comprehensively addresses the risk of fingers getting cut as mentioned in earlier posts above.

Sensei
09-02-2010, 02:18 PM
@Salahuddin many thankx brother you are such a lovely person(YAAR) http://www.easyfreesmileys.com/smileys/lol-047.gif (http://www.easyfreesmileys.com/facebook-smileys.html)

Salahuddin Ayubi
09-02-2010, 02:27 PM
:lol: Ab chor na yaar and let's just rock and roll.

Sensei
09-02-2010, 02:37 PM
Why not brother why nothttp://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-dance003.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php) http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-dance003.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php) http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-dance003.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php)

Gilani
09-02-2010, 04:19 PM
Thanks a lot for the trouble SA Sahib. It was indeed very useful input. I need to give a few lessons to my sons immediately.
regards

Sensie bro, I have finally concluded that no one repeat no one can compete you at PakGuns in selection of smilies. I am literally now waiting for your new post, just to see another great smilie :) :D

Sensei
09-02-2010, 04:44 PM
Many thanx brother Gilani but my dear you can easily find many more pakgunners around with really nice collection of smiles
http://www.gashing.com/smile/party/party0040.gif (http://www.autostumble.net) http://www.gashing.com/smile/party/party0040.gif (http://www.autostumble.net) http://www.gashing.com/smile/party/party0040.gif (http://www.autostumble.net)

Gilani
09-02-2010, 05:15 PM
Yes, I have seen those but your selection is extremely appropriate. Sometimes I fee if you had not written anything in your post and just posted the smilie, the massage would have been conveyed :)
best wishes

12GAUGE
09-02-2010, 05:24 PM
Yes, I have seen those but your selection is extremely appropriate. Sometimes I fee if you had not written anything in your post and just posted the smilie, the massage would have been conveyed :)
best wishes

Gilani Sb. I am also considering the said airgun. would you be kind enough to give me any tips on:

1. where to purchase? (lowest price)
2. what to look? (any special features or manufacturing faults to look out for)
3. how to ensure that the item that i'm about to purchase is accurate enough or fullfills the minmum accuracy requirement of the said airgun
4. some basic accessories that should be bought with the gun to get the ball rolling

Regards.

Gilani
09-02-2010, 06:00 PM
Gilani Sb. I am also considering the said airgun. would you be kind enough to give me any tips on:

1. where to purchase? (lowest price)
2. what to look? (any special features or manufacturing faults to look out for)
3. how to ensure that the item that i'm about to purchase is accurate enough or fullfills the minmum accuracy requirement of the said airgun
4. some basic accessories that should be bought with the gun to get the ball rolling

Regards.

12guage Sir, giving tips to an expert like you is a tough ask. :) Nevertheless, I would try. Please dont mind the incompleteness of my input, if there remains any :)
- I bought mine from a shop which is next to next to PARA in Lahore (Sorry, cant remember the name). I paid 2600 and that I think was the lowest price offered.
- Please do inspect the sights and other body parts. These guns did have QC issues. First two guns that I inspected had deformed sight (yes, in an NIB gun). The third gun was ok.
- There is no place to check the gun by firing a pallet. I had to dry fire it, keeping the muzzle towards ground and just estimate the power; not a sure method though. I am not aware if there is any place on the roof of the plaza where one can test the air rifle for power and accuracy.
- I bought a tesco scope and probably 8 pack of Afghani Diabolo pallets (100 per box). Pallet box was Rs 75 each, scope was 1500. Could not find Gamo Magnum pallets though Gamo match were available in Rs 250 (200 pallets). The performance and power of Afghani pallets is fairly good. So far, my son has been able to hit three ghugis and all three went down in a second (he has missed many though :))

The other difficult process was zeroing the scope. Initially it was hitting about a meter away and I had to play a lot with the adjustment screws. Once zeroed, the gun was quite accurate.

I hope I have not missed anything. If there is anything else, I will be glad to answer
Happy buying :)

SPAYPANTHER
09-02-2010, 06:49 PM
Today I visit luckystar Karachi I found a air gun sale that was just 700 for each air gun, but of course the gun was in very bad condition

I select one which was locking batter then other and may I bought it tomorrow after discus with some of my friends and all of you my brothers

Sensei
09-02-2010, 07:03 PM
@Gilani brother its really very intresting indeed if 12 gauge is really going to buy this B3-1 airgun so two things could happen
No-1 = B3-1 chinese airgun will become the most liking airgun
of our forum as a low budget Airgun
No-2 = this B3-1 would be a big NO NO for future, lets see what happens hope every thing will be only for good :cool:

Topak
09-02-2010, 07:44 PM
brothers i have got it today but its B3-2 not B3-1 :|
i got it in 3.7K with scope....
will soon post its pics and range report...
but what was interesting to see that..this Gun can kill a man here is proof

http://s4.postimage.org/HKxK9.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=aVHKxK9)
if you can read para one you will get it

Dr Hanif Malik
09-02-2010, 07:53 PM
@Gilani brother its really very intresting indeed if 12 gauge is really going to buy this B3-1 airgun so two things could happen
No-1 = B3-1 chinese airgun will become the most liking airgun
of our forum as a low budget Airgun
No-2 = this B3-1 would be a big NO NO for future, lets see what happens hope every thing will be only for good :cool:


@sensei sahib china are making more beautiful,international standard air guns,all are clones, like thire hand guns,only problems is we are not working hard on net or not making any type of efforts to import cheaper airguns.through this forum at least we should arrange online store or a good shop/store for import in pakistan, any big city to promote sport ,hunting like items .specially from china i thing there will be no much problems.our senior members can request to admin chief abbas sahib regarding these issue.i am spending more time on net to search china air guns ,.22 bolt.scopes.hand guns and other hunting gears,usa and canada both country are importing many airguns ,22 bolt from china ,why we can not?:)

Dr Hanif Malik
09-02-2010, 08:09 PM
@ here are some pictures and estimated price make sure these prices taken from canada or usa on line store and i hope the prices should be equalant here in pakistan:)
http://s2.postimage.org/gKrb0.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=TsgKrb0)

Dr Hanif Malik
09-02-2010, 08:10 PM
http://s2.postimage.org/gKNDi.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=TsgKNDi)

Dr Hanif Malik
09-02-2010, 08:13 PM
above both air guns are looking diana clones,diana prices are about more then 30k in pakistan {most models}:)

Dr Hanif Malik
09-02-2010, 08:15 PM
http://s4.postimage.org/HORCJ.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=aVHORCJ)

Dr Hanif Malik
09-02-2010, 08:17 PM
http://s3.postimage.org/X2v0J.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/)

Dr Hanif Malik
09-02-2010, 08:22 PM
above .22 models first one is jws 15a prices in canada and usa 150$ we can got in same price in pakistan???,second model is new norinco em 332,very famous in europe and canada,usa this is clone of brno.22.the prices difference are half the other english .22 rifles:)

@all please thing about:)

Dr Hanif Malik
09-02-2010, 08:25 PM
@pleaser enlarge all the pics except no 4:)

Gilani
09-02-2010, 08:45 PM
@Gilani brother its really very intresting indeed if 12 gauge is really going to buy this B3-1 airgun so two things could happen
No-1 = B3-1 chinese airgun will become the most liking airgun
of our forum as a low budget Airgun
No-2 = this B3-1 would be a big NO NO for future, lets see what happens hope every thing will be only for good :cool:
Yes, It seems quite likely. Please select appropriate smilies in advance for both B3-1 THE BEST & B3-1 THE JUNK. :)
BTW: And if A.Abbas sahib also decides to buy a B3-1..........maza tab aey ga :D

Sensei
09-02-2010, 09:51 PM
http://www.smileyhut.com/happy/clap2.gif (http://www.smileyhut.com) http://www.smileyhut.com/happy/clap2.gif (http://www.smileyhut.com) http://www.smileyhut.com/happy/clap2.gif (http://www.smileyhut.com) http://www.smileyhut.com/happy/clap2.gif (http://www.smileyhut.com)

Sensei
09-02-2010, 10:03 PM
Dr.Sahib at first I dont think any of these airguns are available in our markets but if it is so then I dont think prices in Canada
or USA could be equal to our prices no not at all Sir :cool:

shahsaeen
09-02-2010, 10:07 PM
Today i looked around the marketplace for a low priced high power air rifle. I looked at the B3-1 but found it lacking in terms of safety. I could not convince myself to buy it.

First the air rifle does not have any safety lock mechanism. Second you put your finger in harms way everytime you load the pellet. Third the mechanism is held in place by some tooth like rail inside the steel cylinder (what if it wears off with time and when you realize this has happened you would have already lost part of your finger).

Therefore i settled for a well finished local made break barrel air rifle. I did not get the sargodha made as it lacked rear sight adjustment from right to left i must say it was powerful but perfect zeroing can be a problem for shots going a little right or left.

Again the break barrel does not have a safety lock mechanism but what is the worst that can happen the barrel hitting you in the face. I find a bloody face better than a finger cut in two. The china B3-1 is like having a snake as a pet one wrong move and you will regret it.

Using an air rifle is full of excitement once you start it is hard to stop (hunting or target practice) you get tired at one time or loose your concentration. Therefore it is not good to leave your fingers safety in hands of LADY LUCK.

The choice is yours.

shahsaeen
09-02-2010, 10:20 PM
How many of you will jump off an airplane with a MADE IN CHINA parachute?

I doubt anyone would because if it does not open up you will die. We subconsiously do not trust the internal working of china products. On the outside they look good but on the inside they have done all sorts of hanky panky. Therefore they cost less.

The safety mechanism in B3-1 is internal only lord knows how long it will last and how shall we find out with a finger cut in two.

I must say it shall be a perfect slice over in less than a second with no anastesia and zero surgeon fees and no operation theatre fees. Now that is the bright side of the B3-1 or called Surgeon Air Rifle

shahsaeen
09-02-2010, 10:23 PM
This (the B3-1) is one prescription from a doctor i would not recommend (i do not mean you dr. Malik sahib). It will start a good business for surgeons who put cut fingers back together.

Denovo87
09-02-2010, 10:28 PM
Can any one please post pictures, of the place shahsaeen bro is reffering as a finger slicer? as I always used break barrel never had a chance to put my finger in the underlever slicer :)
do we have to insert the finger into something moving while seating the pallet?

Gilani
09-02-2010, 10:36 PM
Shahsaeen bro, you are scaring us too much. :)

Just got a tweezers (mochna) and practiced putting the slugs into the breach using a tweezers for five minutes :) Mashallah kafi affaqa hua hai and I dont think there would be a problem till the time I dont loose this tweezers in the heat of the battle and at that very time the air rifle also malfunctions :D.

Sensei
09-02-2010, 11:07 PM
@My God Gilani brother the same came to my mind Uf ;)
will you plz show the pics of finger Slicer to Denovo http://www.gashing.com/smile/animated/anim_25.gif (http://www.autostumble.net)

Dr Hanif Malik
10-02-2010, 09:35 AM
@all brothers,you totaly can not disagree about the gun safety,below 12 age can injured the finger,now shahsaeen is above age my mentionnd.any how other china model b3 break barrel aie gun is available in the markeet in the same pressure and same price,if any body has a concerns about b3-1 or 2 can buy other air guns and enjoy lot.shah sahib my advise is please sell your delta model and caught second hand gamo 640 which is more powerful and accurate.this gun can be used for hunting and target practice:)

shahsaeen
10-02-2010, 09:57 AM
Dr. Malik sahib. I got a local airgun. I fired it at a steel can for watering plants in the garden. The pellet punched a hole in it. I am amazed at the power. The delta cadet could only dent that same can. I am keeping the cadet for use around the house on lizards as it does not damage the walls. The local made would be used for hunting purposes outdoors. It has more power than chinese. The power is equal to sargodha made or even little above. The wood, finish is top class much better than china or sargoda made. It is stamped Germanika and has a lady stamped on it i think it is the symbol of daisy airgun from france or is it the symbol of diana. also the rear sight has adjustment for right and left. The barrel inside is rifled too.

Salahuddin Ayubi
10-02-2010, 10:47 AM
Shahsaeen, shop name, address, price and pics please.

Topak
10-02-2010, 03:58 PM
Can any one please post pictures, of the place shahsaeen bro is reffering as a finger slicer? as I always used break barrel never had a chance to put my finger in the underlever slicer :)
do we have to insert the finger into something moving while seating the pallet?
Sir shah Sb are right to some extent....during the loading of pellet if cylinder did slipped..off course their will be a problem...
but actually you are choosing wrong way to load the gun...
always pull the lever a little that you can put pellet in it then cock it to full extent and lock the spring,then put back the lever to its original position now fire it.
as it is arm if you did misuse it you can get injured......use correct way and be safe.

Salahuddin Ayubi
10-02-2010, 04:28 PM
always pull the lever a little that you can put pellet in it then cock it to full extent and lock the spring,then put back the lever to its original position now fire it.
as it is arm if you did misuse it you can get injured......use correct way and be safe.

++1

shahsaeen
10-02-2010, 04:47 PM
I shall post pictures of germanika soon. I checked the watering can and saw that the pellet had passed the first wall and exited out of the can from the second wall. I had fired from a distance of 40 ft. I got it from saddar armory at lucky star. Dont ask me about price. I am very bad at bargaining. I went to lucky star for another reason but got this air rifle just like that. The shopkeeper was very nice and i told him my requirements he made me fire 4 types of airguns at a building opposite the road. I could even target the pigeons and shoot as many pellets i liked. Then after deciding on a model he gave me a fresh piece which we again tested. So a good experience.

Sensei
10-02-2010, 05:37 PM
Ok Shahsaeen we are anxiously waiting for you germanika airgun :)

Usama
10-02-2010, 05:57 PM
@shahsaeen...
What does it cost you and pics plz.. :)

SPAYPANTHER
10-02-2010, 10:29 PM
@SHAHSAEEN

bro plz yar help us by giving its cost, as we all are going to buy an air gun...

Sensei
11-02-2010, 07:35 PM
Well as I have checked the difference between Chinese B3-1 and B3-2 under lever airgun this is it

The B3-1 Muzzle velocity 750/700 FPS
The B3-2 Muzzle velocity 420 FPS otherwise no other difference is there, http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-happy114.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php)

also check the link bellow for more confirmation

http://www.coolcampinggear.com/air-gun-inc-air-rifle-chinese-22-underlever-wscpb3-2420fps/

Gilani
11-02-2010, 08:05 PM
Well as I have checked the difference between Chinese B3-1 and B3-2 under lever airgun this is it

The B3-1 Muzzle velocity 750/700 FPS
The B3-2 Muzzle velocity 420 FPS otherwise no other difference is there,

Is that so http://www.smileyhut.com/angry/annoyed.gif (http://www.smileyhut.com)

Let me check my gun box cover. http://www.smileyhut.com/angry/angry.gif (http://www.smileyhut.com)

Gilani
11-02-2010, 08:19 PM
OK Sensei bro, here it is.........

http://s3.postimage.org/2_m8i.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=Pq2_m8i)

Its 650 ft/sec http://www.smileyhut.com/excited/idhitit.gif (http://www.smileyhut.com)

Sensei
11-02-2010, 10:00 PM
@Gilani brother you got it for 2600 and I got mine for 3500
it means the difference is 900 Rs per 100 FPS as B3-1 is 750 FPS
slightly more powerful http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-dance014.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php)

any way apart from jokes when I did checked on net I found B3-1 650 FPS and you can see as well that B3-2 is already mentioned as 420 FPS so I thing nothing else could be different

Sensei
11-02-2010, 10:07 PM
And yes very nice to see your smiles really Maza Aya ;)

Gilani
11-02-2010, 11:20 PM
any way apart from jokes when I did checked on net I found B3-1 650 FPS and you can see as well that B3-2 is already mentioned as 420 FPS so I thing nothing else could be different
But on the box of my gun, its written 650/600 ft / sec. Please see the pic :)

Sensei
11-02-2010, 11:43 PM
O yes brother I have seen it thats what I was trying to explain that as my box is clearly showing 750/700 fps but net info is showing it 650 fps so as same your box is showing 650 fps but net info is 420 fps, now if we accept the info on product box so
the differnce of 100 fps is already there between both guns and it would be the only difference if there is any :)

Gilani
11-02-2010, 11:51 PM
Sir, I would like to disbelieve in net information (420 ft / sec) http://www.smileyhut.com/sad/cry2.gif (http://www.smileyhut.com)

Sir je, dil ko bhi to khush rakna hai http://www.smileyhut.com/happy/happydance.gif (http://www.smileyhut.com)

Sensei
12-02-2010, 12:31 AM
http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-laughing021.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php) http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-laughing021.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php) http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-laughing021.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php)

A.Abbas
12-02-2010, 12:42 AM
I bought one today, it is B3-2 and I am with Gilani on this. ;)
And here is a link to make your b3-1 and ours B3-2 even. :lol: :lol: :lol:
http://www.valorcorp.com/products/product.asp?root_id=277&cat_id=277&item=8046508

Sensei
12-02-2010, 01:21 AM
well I think we have to keep faith what ever printed on our boxes mine is 750fps and yours 650 fps box never lies http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-laughing025.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php) http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-laughing025.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php)

A.Abbas
12-02-2010, 01:31 AM
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Sensei
12-02-2010, 02:45 AM
@A.Abbas apart from jokes now its time to discuss something serious as we are really looking forward to your input regarding the safty issues of this airgun may be you know that our brother Shahsaeen insisting continuesly that this underlever gung could be more dangerous than traditional break barrel type airgun he think the chamber of this B3 is like a finger slicer
by using your engineering skills plz help us to come out from such a scary situation do you think the picture is as horrible as it is painted by our friend Shahsaeen
http://www.mysmiley.net/imgs/smile/scared/scared0010.gif (http://www.mysmiley.net) http://www.mysmiley.net/imgs/smile/scared/scared0010.gif (http://www.mysmiley.net)

9mm Luger
12-02-2010, 03:50 PM
I couldnt find any refrence of power for B3-1 but the link that sensei mentioned if i am not wrong mentioned B3-2 as 420fps as well.. sensei bro can you provide any other link for B3-1 as well...

Gilani
12-02-2010, 07:05 PM
I couldnt find any refrence of power for B3-1 but the link that sensei mentioned if i am not wrong mentioned B3-2 as 420fps as well.. sensei bro can you provide any other link for B3-1 as well...
9mm Luger bro, I doubt the information about 420 ft / sec. Moreover, on the box of my gun its clearly written 650 ft/sec http://www.mysmiley.net/imgs/smile/confused/confused0024.gif (http://www.mysmiley.net/free-jumping-smileys.php)

I have fired a few airguns and B3-2 is certainly not that low powered. I have been practicing with it at 50 m which is quite a distance for an air gun. It is quite accurate from 25 M and I normally hit 7-8 out of 10 slugs in the 2 inch bull from this airgun. Can this kind of accuracy be achieve from a 400 ft / sec airgun http://www.mysmiley.net/imgs/smile/confused/confused0013.gif (http://www.mysmiley.net).

Any expert views http://www.mysmiley.net/imgs/smile/cool/cool0018.gif (http://www.mysmiley.net)

KageFox
12-02-2010, 07:54 PM
A little about advertised muzzle velocity. Often, it is found that it is less than that written on in the manuals and box. Moreover, many companies test their airguns with very lightweight pellets, giving a high figure for muzzle velocity. The velocity we get out of our airguns with our pellets can only be reliably checked with the help of a chronograph.

Just as an example, the Gamo PBA Raptor is capable of reaching velocities greater than the speed of sound when used with high power air rifles. Though, this is dangerous for the airguns shooting these pellets, as the seals get damaged.

Sensei
13-02-2010, 01:42 AM
I couldnt find any refrence of power for B3-1 but the link that sensei mentioned if i am not wrong mentioned B3-2 as 420fps as well.. sensei bro can you provide any other link for B3-1 as well...

Brother 9mm Luger plz see post No 165 by A.Abbas just above

Dr Hanif Malik
13-02-2010, 09:07 AM
@all compition air guns are used for target shooting are low m v and hunting rifles are up to 1000 fps ,mv:)

9mm Luger
13-02-2010, 10:27 AM
Thank you Sensei and A. Abbas...

@gilani Sb if one can hit at 50 metres which is quite some distance Dil even 420 (char so beesi :lol:) per bhi khush hae !!
:cool:

Gilani
13-02-2010, 06:38 PM
http://www.gashing.com/smile/sign/sign0156.gif (http://www.squidoo.com/scuba-diving-guide) 9mm Luger Sir

A.Abbas
15-02-2010, 01:09 AM
@A.Abbas apart from jokes now its time to discuss something serious as we are really looking forward to your input regarding the safty issues of this airgun may be you know that our brother Shahsaeen insisting continuesly that this underlever gung could be more dangerous than traditional break barrel type airgun he think the chamber of this B3 is like a finger slicer
by using your engineering skills plz help us to come out from such a scary situation do you think the picture is as horrible as it is painted by our friend Shahsaeen
http://www.mysmiley.net/imgs/smile/scared/scared0010.gif (http://www.mysmiley.net) http://www.mysmiley.net/imgs/smile/scared/scared0010.gif (http://www.mysmiley.net)

@Sensei, I was busy in rwp in last few days and was unable to disassemble and check the gun thoroughly for safety and operating mechanism (the most concerned thing was the chances of accident while loading the pallet in the chamber as mentioned by the another member), later today I got some time to disassemble the gun and check the complete system.

I'll post the pics and my review later, but I found the gun quite safe (no chance of slicing or injuring the fingures), only one problem, loading of pallet is a bit difficult and need some practice.

Sensei
15-02-2010, 01:54 PM
@A.Abbas thanks for reply we are really looking forward to you
:cool: :cool:

Denovo87
15-02-2010, 02:43 PM
@A.Abbas thanks for reply we are really looking forward to you
:cool: :cool:


And best of luck with your fingers :)

Gilani
15-02-2010, 03:52 PM
I'll post the pics and my review later, but I found the gun quite safe (no chance of slicing or injuring the fingures)

Thats a good news http://www.gashing.com/smile/happy/happy0005.gif (http://www.squidoo.com/scuba-diving-guide)

Sensei
15-02-2010, 05:06 PM
@Denevo thanks for well wishes but as I have told before that this B3-1 was in my use since my teen agae more than 20 years ago and all my fingers are still performing so wellhttp://www.smileyhut.com/laughing/laughbounce2.gif (http://www.smileyhut.com)


@Gilani yes its a good one
http://www.smileyhut.com/happy/clap2.gif (http://www.smileyhut.com)

A.Abbas
17-02-2010, 12:00 AM
Sorry for delay, I am still busy in rwp but got some time to post the pictures, a short technical review and a sort of safety test. (I tried to overlap some pictures of relevant part to understand the functionality in single view and to minimize the over crowding)

1- Specifications of B3-2

Overall Length = 40.5 in
Barrel Length = 18 in (including pallet chamber)
Weight = 2.8kg without scope
Piston Stroke = 45mm (1.77in)
Piston Diameter = 25mm (1in) Aprox (Cylinder outer Dia - wall thickness)
Unable to measure the power of the Spring because it is too powerful for me to disassemble/remove and reassemble it without necessary tools.

2- Safety and Tests

Trigger pull is blocked unless the cocking lever is 95% close (chamber 99% close)

Drop tests from 4ft hight with gun cocked while i) cocking lever locked in position, ii) in 90% position, iii) in 50% position.(gun didn't go off in all three positions).

Also shot the gun while cocking lever is not fully seated in the position (to check if you accidently get your hand or fingers between cocking lever and the barrel and guns go off), lever reamins in the position with some minor movement not enough strength/power or movement to cause any injury.

For simulation of wear (sort of) and trigger spring damage, I removed a pin which keeps the trigger in position (stops/limits the trigger pivotal movement) and tried to cock the gun, it don't cock and goes off as soon as you take off your hand from the cocking lever.
And it is my opinion/understanding that the gun will not lock with the damaged trigger spring and worn out locking mechanism.

3- Muzzle velocity was not measured because unavailability of the necessary equipment for the moment (factory specs 600/650 fps)

To my understanding, the cocking system is simple as you can see in the pictures, trigger assembly consist of three parts, Trigger lever, Trigger spring and Piston Lock, in the cocking process the piston lock moves for approx 3mm with the piston and seats in the slot, the trigger spring push the lock in position and locks the trigger edge against the piston lock lever edge simultaneously, the locking slot on the piston slot and piston lock are shaped opposite with some angle and a hump on the piston lock acts as pivot (in my opinion this type of locking causes less wear on the part as compare to 90deg locking slot) and the trigger lock/release is also designed semi round (not sharp edges to wear or chipped easily), trigger pull pushes the piston lock forward, because of angular slot, the piston lock moves down simultaneously with forward movement and this releases the piston.

Conclusion/my Opinion on the safety .
In my opinion and few non technical tests I preformed, the gun is safe and not a finger slicer as feared by some members, but as for every powerful gun (fire arms or airgun) that can cause serious injuries, all necessary safety precaution must be practiced by every user as accident can happen and has happened with all safety systems in position and in my opinion it can be only and surely avoided by users caution not by the mechanical systems only.


Here are some pictures
http://i931.photobucket.com/albums/ad156/abbas437/PakGuns/B3-2%20Airgun/assembeledanddisassembled.jpg

1- Weight and Length
http://i931.photobucket.com/albums/ad156/abbas437/PakGuns/B3-2%20Airgun/WEIGHT0.jpg
http://i931.photobucket.com/albums/ad156/abbas437/PakGuns/B3-2%20Airgun/LENGTH0e.jpg
http://i931.photobucket.com/albums/ad156/abbas437/PakGuns/B3-2%20Airgun/BARRELLENGTH0.jpg

2- Bore/Caliber
http://i931.photobucket.com/albums/ad156/abbas437/PakGuns/B3-2%20Airgun/CHAMBER0.jpg

3-Trigger, Cocking/locking system
http://i931.photobucket.com/albums/ad156/abbas437/PakGuns/B3-2%20Airgun/CLYNDERLOCK0.jpg

4- Trigger Pull Safety On and Off postion with the relevent cocking lever position.
http://i931.photobucket.com/albums/ad156/abbas437/PakGuns/B3-2%20Airgun/LEVERPOSTRIGGERSAFE0.jpg
http://i931.photobucket.com/albums/ad156/abbas437/PakGuns/B3-2%20Airgun/TRIGGERACTIVE0.jpg

5- Piston stroke/displacement
http://i931.photobucket.com/albums/ad156/abbas437/PakGuns/B3-2%20Airgun/CLYNDERDISPLACMENT.jpg

Gilani
17-02-2010, 12:07 AM
A.Abbas sahib, excellent review. Very informative indeed. A best of all, its good to know that the gun is safe. Thanks for taking trouble for writing such a detailed review :)

Glocky
17-02-2010, 12:09 AM
@A.Abbas, excellent review mate, though am not much interested with airguns, this post had me completely engrossed. Very well done and presented. Thank you very much. I look forward to more of these. :)

A.Abbas
17-02-2010, 12:18 AM
I was and still new to airguns, learning fast and trying to learn from experienced users as my impression about the air guns was i.e. Just cock, load and shoot but in last few days learned that it is not that simple and ignorance is not an option even it is not a fire arm but can still cause very serious injuries.

There are few things about this gun I don't like,
1- It is a bit difficult to load the pallet, need a lot of practice to load quickly. :(
2- Almost all pins are a bit loose (after removing the stock if you shake the assembly , all the pins drops or may be it is in my gun) :(

The good things about this gun,
1- Light weight and Price is good :)
2- Accuracy is good (shot 150 pallets till to date). :)
3- Very Powerful (tested by few regular air gun users) :)

Sensei
17-02-2010, 01:14 AM
@A.Abbas brother you are simply amazing very very well written
and so nicely explained reviews really bombastic & so worthy
http://s3.postimage.org/jz3c9.gif (http://www.postimage.org/)

Mangloo Ramzani
24-02-2010, 08:02 PM
After reading this thread and seeing performance of Gilani Sb's son AND going through the beautifully written review by Abbass sb, I think I'll go and get myself a B3 ;)

Gilani
24-02-2010, 10:12 PM
Good decision Ramzani sahib, best of luck :)

Usama
24-02-2010, 10:32 PM
A.Abbas
Bro very nice review on air gun ,and by the way its not short technical review..anyway very nicely explained :cool:

Faheem
24-02-2010, 10:49 PM
A.Abbas Bhai you have won the competation again just like a CF 98 thread. Very well explained.......

http://www.pic4ever.com/images/hippo.gif

Sensei
25-02-2010, 05:58 AM
After reading this thread and seeing performance of Gilani Sb's son AND going through the beautifully written review by Abbass sb, I think I'll go and get myself a B3 ;)

it would be a good decision indeed in such a low price range it is the best available airgun take it with no problem :cool:

Sensei
25-02-2010, 06:44 AM
@brother Gilani and A.Abbas I have just noticed today that there is a difference in trigger guards of our guns in above given pics I could not see the proper seat for that I mean front side screw is fixed upon the frame though the back side screw seems fixed in the seat, second thing is a quality of trigger guard whic is not well finished in above pics here are few pics of my gun plz have a look and give your comments
http://s1.postimage.org/10jYnS.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gx10jYnS)

http://s4.postimage.org/smSsA.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=aVsmSsA)

http://s2.postimage.org/10jJ2r.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=Ts10jJ2r)

shahzad
25-02-2010, 08:33 PM
A Abbas Sb
Very detailed and expert analysis.
Thanks

A.Abbas
26-02-2010, 12:13 AM
Sensei, about the trigger guard, you are right, your gun has a better trigger guard (I think casted one) and on mine, it is made of simple metal strip and not very good finish either.

Mangloo Ramzani
01-03-2010, 12:55 AM
Went to buy the airgun today ... but was put off by the prices. Both Mehran and Sind Armoury were asking Rs. 6500 for the "Double Rod", as they put it, niether new which model was it ... and no hint on the airguns as well. :(

I think I'll try for it in Karachi on my next visit. :|

Sensei
01-03-2010, 02:35 PM
Dear Ramzani 6.5k for B3-1 really stupid of both dealers simply have a vist to karachi and go to shaheen traders at saddar luckystar he will ask 4k and you can take it at 3.5k easily I have bought my gun from him too :)

Mangloo Ramzani
01-03-2010, 03:34 PM
Thanks Sensei Bro!

By the way does ur airgun have any model indication or lettering on it?

Sensei
01-03-2010, 04:33 PM
No,no writing at all though made in China is written on the guns purchased by Brother Gilani and A,Abbas from Punjab but not on mine but it is almost confirmed that there is no copy of B3-1 is available in market check the gun box see given description on it check the gun its finish etc specially the trigger guard as it is shown in my post just above and pay 3.5k and go home the pellet of .22 you can get a box of 100 at 80 Rs in blue box eagle brand remember dont forget to take one box free with gun not joking :cool:

Sensei
01-03-2010, 04:42 PM
Just remember brother member Spaypanther is selling his NIB
same airgun fro 3.5k at Market place go check him out there

Faheem
01-03-2010, 11:47 PM
Sensei finishing of your B3-1 is very fine. Can you guide me for purchasing the same one from sader market.

Faheem
01-03-2010, 11:52 PM
I have already used the same B3-1 when I was in class 6th :) but I think finishing of your Chinese B3-1 is better than me.

well if you have any contact # of Saheen Traders so please send me, it will be my favour.....

Sensei
02-03-2010, 12:20 AM
@Faheem brother Saheen trader is just few steps ahead from H.M Traders you know well,it is a small shop and a small shop keeper as well you will find it so easily :cool:

Faheem
02-03-2010, 06:52 AM
Thank you sensei brother Inshallah in couple of days I will go to there ..... but it is really amazing that minimum price of mentioned B3-1 in Lucky star is 4 k and you got it in 3500 Rs.

Sensei
02-03-2010, 01:02 PM
You most welcome buddy and dont pay more than 3.5k :cool:

Salahuddin Ayubi
02-03-2010, 01:40 PM
@Faheem,

Shaheen Trader's contact number is 021 3566 1188

Faheem
03-03-2010, 07:04 AM
Sensei and Salahuddin Ayubi Brothers thank you so much for this cooperation.

Salahuddin Ayubi
03-03-2010, 09:05 AM
Anytime bro.

Faheem
14-03-2010, 08:24 PM
I have purchased Chinese B3-01. Here I am sharing some pics of my B3-01 Picture results are not good due to bad light.



http://s1.postimage.org/RtgQ0.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gxRtgQ0)


http://s1.postimage.org/RtDhi.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gxRtDhi)


http://s4.postimage.org/pGfM9.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=aVpGfM9)




http://s4.postimage.org/pLBvr.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=aVpLBvr)
http://s4.postimage.org/qhsO0.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=aVqhsO0)

Denovo87
14-03-2010, 08:32 PM
Congrats Faheem, nice pics but they look bit odd without you posing beside the gun :)

Faheem
14-03-2010, 08:42 PM
hahahahahaha Denovo87 sir this is not fair........ but thank you so much for liking my air gun ........

:cool:

SPAYPANTHER
14-03-2010, 10:12 PM
@faheem

congrats faheem! what you pay for that???

Sensei
14-03-2010, 10:22 PM
Hunnnn good one its good you did the job now this is good to see the trigger guard, any way many congrats to you for this new B3-1 :cool:

Faheem
14-03-2010, 11:31 PM
Spaypanther & Sensei brother thanks for appreciating this airgun. I have bought this B3-1 in 3800 Rs.

Salahuddin Ayubi
15-03-2010, 09:05 AM
Congrats Faheem, nice pics but they look bit odd without you posing beside the gun :)

:lol: +1

Congrats Faheem.

Naveed_pk
15-03-2010, 12:33 PM
Nice purchase Faheem :)

Mangloo Ramzani
15-03-2010, 03:21 PM
Congrats Faheem, nice pics but they look bit odd without you posing beside the gun :)
+1

Denovo Sir, brother Faheem doesnt want to pose beside this air gun, as he has many more interesting stuff to do that with!(hmmm ... I hope I've phrased it right :/ )

Anyways, Faheem bro congrats a lot!

Sensei
15-03-2010, 05:46 PM
Spaypanther & Sensei brother thanks for appreciating this airgun. I have bought this B3-1 in 3800 Rs.

Though I told you that dont give him more than 3500 Rs but
any way its fine because every where its no less than 42k how much pellets you did purchased and at what cost :cool:

Faheem
15-03-2010, 10:26 PM
Salahuddin Ayubi
Naveed_pk
Mangloo Ramzani

thank you brothers for appreciating this air gun and specially Salahuddin bhai & Sensei for guiding me the best shop....

Faheem
15-03-2010, 10:29 PM
Sensei brother one of my friend has gifted me the 4 pellets .... thats why I didn't purchase from market....

Sensei
15-03-2010, 10:58 PM
O I see 4 pellets are quite enogh indeed :lol:

Faheem
17-03-2010, 12:48 AM
Sensei if you want one or two pellets free, so I can send you as a gift ;)..........

Salahuddin Ayubi
17-03-2010, 09:03 AM
I think he means one or two pellet BOXES.

Dr Hanif Malik
17-03-2010, 10:11 AM
@faheem brother cong for good air gun,now responsibility is on your shoulder to post target result on other thread marksmanship:)

Gilani
17-03-2010, 07:22 PM
Faheem brother congrats for your B3-1 :). A nice air gun indeed. Hope to see few target pics in the Airgun Marksmanship thread soon

Faheem
17-03-2010, 10:30 PM
Dr Hanif Malik
Gilani

Brothers thanks you so much for appreciating my air gun, belive me your suggestions and appreciations are really valueable for us.......

As far as target pics are concerned dont worry I will try my best as soon as possible......

Faheem
17-03-2010, 10:37 PM
I think he means one or two pellet BOXES.


Yes salahuddin bhai has got my point.. (pellet boxes)


http://s3.postimage.org/Pa2EA.gif (http://www.postimage.org/)

SPAYPANTHER
18-03-2010, 11:06 AM
O I see 4 pellets are quite enogh indeed :lol:

:D

Faheem
18-03-2010, 11:34 PM
and now spaypanther has also got the sensei's point......



http://s4.postimage.org/CHskA.gif (http://www.postimage.org/)

Faheem
05-04-2010, 06:58 AM
Sensei brother I wanna some target copies for practicing with airgun. Do you have any Idea about it ?

Dr Hanif Malik
05-04-2010, 07:37 AM
Sensei brother I wanna some target copies for practicing with airgun. Do you have any Idea about it ?
bro contact new mod for target, photo copy the orignal and carry on:)

Salahuddin Ayubi
05-04-2010, 08:28 AM
Sensei brother I wanna some target copies for practicing with airgun. Do you have any Idea about it ?

Faheem,

Bro, we have a few internet links in our Airgun Marksmanship thread. These are airgun targets used in Olympic competitions and can be easily printed on an A4-size paper. Download them and take some printouts.

Faheem
06-04-2010, 01:13 AM
Salahuddin bhai Thanks for finding targets. But please also tell me that how much distance will you prefare for these A4 size
targets for B3-1 Airgun......

Dr Hanif Malik
06-04-2010, 05:53 AM
@faheem bro start from 10mtr later will be increased:)

Salahuddin Ayubi
06-04-2010, 07:02 AM
Salahuddin bhai Thanks for finding targets. But please also tell me that how much distance will you prefare for these A4 size
targets for B3-1 Airgun......

The distance is mentioned on each target (or it's file name). Please check.

Dr Hanif Malik
06-04-2010, 07:37 AM
@all air guns shooter,,,,, please make sure if the air gun is new and more then 500 pellets if not fired the accuracy of air gun may disturb and shooter may discurrage:)new air gun start theire normal and smooth working after some hundered pellets fire from the air gun:)

iffe
19-04-2010, 02:10 PM
@ DR Hanif
thnx for the advice

@ SA
frm where can i download the tatgets??

Salahuddin Ayubi
19-04-2010, 07:59 PM
Iffe,

check out the Airgun Marksmanship thread in the Special Interests section. You'll find the links there.

iffe
20-04-2010, 01:46 PM
after reading this thread i went to dig out my chinese B3-1 air gun
bought this around 10 yrs ago
a bit rusted
but still in good condition


http://s3.postimage.org/GMaqr.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=PqGMaqr)

ay_be_why
11-06-2010, 06:23 PM
Sorry for digging up an old thread but since it's dedicated to the B3, here goes:

http://www.kermitairgunclub.com/projects/b3guide/B-3_rear_sight.jpg

The B3 rear-sight pic from the internet. Is it really windage/elevation adjustable or the knob and the disc are just for a bit of shashka? :) Please do respond ASAP cuz I'm going to Sadar tomorrow and might be getting one. Also, any specific shops in Pindi Sadar that keep airguns or most arms dealers keep them? I do have the contact/address of Badruddin and Sons...

msm
26-07-2010, 02:58 PM
http://s1.postimage.org/SZMm9.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gxSZMm9)

This is my 1st ever Airgun which i bought this saturday from Sadar Armoury @ 3500 PKR. According to the shope keeper its chinies B3

msm
26-07-2010, 03:10 PM
http://s4.postimage.org/LZoL9.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=aVLZoL9)
I have fired 40-50 shots and its ok. iam not a good shooter and can miss an elephant from point blank but from this gun iam able to hit same pellet mark from 5-6 feet ;) with and without scope. a bottle from 10+ feets and cigrate packet from 6-10 feet with and without scope.

iam not satisfied with the finish of this gun as to me local made rainbow airgun have better finish same price tag it is also heavey than localmade Rainbow Airgun. some guys are asking 5k for same B-3 with better finish and made in china written on it ( this 1 dont have any thing written). according to the guy at sadar armoury old stock dint had any marking while new stock have.

iffe
27-07-2010, 12:47 AM
@msm
bro please update ur location

msm
27-07-2010, 05:09 PM
@iffe
location updated :)

maverick880
27-07-2010, 05:37 PM
but the B3 i got from Lahore has very clearly writen on it " made in china"
there are also some models in the market on which it is writen "made as china" those actually are Sialkot Model

Dr Hanif Malik
27-07-2010, 05:51 PM
now a days chinas and local airguns are in the market,and even some experts cant differantiate betwn orignal and local:)

msm
28-07-2010, 03:08 PM
Dr Sb for my untrained eye; local airguns have better finish than china made guns and yes its really difficult to diffrenciate local and chinies atlest for me it is

silkenkage
15-08-2010, 12:54 PM
@msm

you bought b3 air gun with scope in 3.5k..?

Mig
15-08-2010, 06:46 PM
hmm, I had this Air Gun 16 years before, .. When I was just 5

its Accuracy is wonderful. I have killed a Bat in flying shot with it and an ABABEEL in flying as well.

shakil.durrani
20-08-2010, 03:32 PM
@Sensei
i hvae one B3-3
and there were three modles in 1999 B3-1,B3-2,B3-3
all are 99.9% same
the only difference is the length
1 is smaller,2 is medium,and 3 is the longest one

so u want B3 specification
the good thing abt this air rifle is that this rifle can have both caliber pelletes in nit
thr r two main caliber in airrifles those are 0.22 (5.5mm) and 0.177(4.5mm)
so this means this is twin caliber rifle
it has 650 FPS(feet per second),
now its upto u which one u want 1,2,3
but i am sure u wont b able to find it first hand
my suggestion is to get Remington Vantage
.177 caliber
1200FPS(MAX)
it is of 100$,with telescope on it

shakil.durrani
20-08-2010, 03:38 PM
it looks u got scope on ur airgun
did it came with the4 gun or u installed it seprately>

http://s4.postimage.org/LZoL9.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=aVLZoL9)
I have fired 40-50 shots and its ok. iam not a good shooter and can miss an elephant from point blank but from this gun iam able to hit same pellet mark from 5-6 feet ;) with and without scope. a bottle from 10+ feets and cigrate packet from 6-10 feet with and without scope.

iam not satisfied with the finish of this gun as to me local made rainbow airgun have better finish same price tag it is also heavey than localmade Rainbow Airgun. some guys are asking 5k for same B-3 with better finish and made in china written on it ( this 1 dont have any thing written). according to the guy at sadar armoury old stock dint had any marking while new stock have.

Sensei
11-10-2010, 04:08 PM
@A.Abbas brother need your help to fix the problem of lose pins and washer fixed in the chamber of our B3-1 airgun,what did you did to solve the problem of lose pins?and how did you changed the washer as you mentioned it in your early post of the same thread,hope you will come with some positive reply
http://s2.postimage.org/aZq1J.gif (http://www.postimage.org/)