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EasyRider
25-12-2009, 03:13 AM
hey guys;
today i found a friend's TT .30, the gun has not been used for 2 years, there is no rust on the upper body of pistol but i believe there'd be lot of stuff inside as it has not been fired from 2 years and when it was being used it had never been cleaned/lubricated even after approx. 100 rounds :)
I tried to fire some rounds today and found lot of ammos failure, i also have posted the pic of failure rounds. I would also like to mention that the rounds which have been used were also purchased 2 years before and these are desi one, i guess a Rs.12/round. Is this a gun's fault or the ammo's?
Ammos have also got lot of stuff on them as they'v been in a leather holster for 2 years(see pic). how to clean them? and with what material. Also recommend me some good ammos for .30, i will buy some good ammo's soon.
secondly;
well i am not that expert in guns and not in cleaning guns though
I would be grateful if you guys guide me what to do with this gun now, if i disassemble it what shall i do, whether to get some lubricants from market(recommend me one, also mention price), after disassembly shall i dip it in something(if yes, then dip into what? for how long etc). i also have read in other forums to dip into hot water/diesel, what to do with it?
I have never cleaned a gun before but i know the safety rules and disassembly, so please guide me step by step.
Under the current situation i cannot take the gun to a dealer and ask him to clean this gun, this forum's helped me a lot, so seeking help now regarding another issue to me :)
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awais52
25-12-2009, 08:51 AM
well... i recently bought a TT 30 bore and have fired almost 100 rounds through it...i gave the gun a thorough clean after each firing session.... i used two types of ammo...chinese around 40 rounds and the remaining were local (Yadgar ammo factory)... well the difference was clear, the local ones produced a lot more smoke and smell after fire.....
anyways coming to ur problem.....
disassembly of TT is a piece of cake.... first make sure that the chamber is clear....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9U0kUsMxek
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxQ1-_NRPjI

u will find many on the youtube...... u will need to thoroughly clean the barrel with brush and oil it also..... u can use a used toothbrush for cleaning various other parts.... WD40 can also be used...... a normal gun oil will also do....
i recommend taking ur gun to some gunsmith ...because depending upon amount of rust, the hammer assembly and firing pin might also require disassembly....
hope it helps

X_TATIK_GUNNER
25-12-2009, 10:08 AM
salaams

buddy first of all field strip it and then try clean the rust or the thick greasy substance which am sure must be every where in the pistol
as mentioned before try useing the WD 40 which will clean all the rust as well as the thick grease
reassemble it and then try firing by loading a round at a time

hope this will help ...... so will the you tube links

SPAYPANTHER
25-12-2009, 11:04 AM
o bhaiiiiiiiii!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! zulm mat karo yar!

sir plz dont use thess rounds tha will damge your pistal
and first of all dip your pistal in desal for atlest on day and night! then use wd40 and a nylon brush! remove maximum rust you can and then oil it perfactli then it will ready to fire

Salahuddin Ayubi
25-12-2009, 01:43 PM
first of all dip your pistal in desal for atlest on day and night! then use wd40 and a nylon brush!

That is a very good suggestion. I've tried it on a local TT (12 hour diesel dip) and it worked for me. The TT came out sparkling and after the whole cleanup the results were remarkable.

EasyRider
25-12-2009, 09:25 PM
@SPAYPANTHER, @SA
thank you guys, after dipping in the diesel do i need to dip in hot water for some hours?
secondly, a question is not yet answered, some people say the missing rounds are of the gun's fault, and some people do say its ammo fault, can you please comment on it after seeing the pics? these ammos were tried to fire an year before, then my friend also took the ammos with him to show me.
I am also posting pics of some more ammos(they were not in the holster), can these rounds be fired or i shall dispose them off too?
And i am surely not gonna use those rusted ammos(which were in the holster)
But just for general knowledge, is there any way to clean them?
I am gonna buy some rounds, can you suggest me which one to buy for .30, and its price?
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SPAYPANTHER
25-12-2009, 11:30 PM
always keep away your weapens and amo from water!!
its your gun not honda moterbike wich need waching :lol:

and about mis fire : dear its depand on both (weapen and amo) but in this case your amo are locking defolted!
and one more thing that your firing pin is also not hiting in tha center of amo! that is also count as folt but dont wary try new round and then post i hope it will work!

and about amo: dear i dont think that you want to keep that pistal for HD or self defence porpose! so no need to west your money on expansive cartiges ,as pistal is also not in excelent condition so i sajest you to use some of good brnad's pak made round such as: norinco (pakmade not china) , gard, yadgar , triple star etc....

Vik
26-12-2009, 12:36 AM
always keep away your weapens and amo from water!!
its your gun not honda moterbike wich need waching :lol:

and about mis fire : dear its depand on both (weapen and amo) but in this case your amo are locking defolted!
and one more thing that your firing pin is also not hiting in tha center of amo! that is also count as folt but dont wary try new round and then post i hope it will work!

and about amo: dear i dont think that you want to keep that pistal for HD or self defence porpose! so no need to west your money on expansive cartiges ,as pistal is also not in excelent condition so i sajest you to use some of good brnad's pak made round such as: norinco (pakmade not china) , gard, yadgar , triple star etc....

Spay Panther, good replies. Keep up the good work.
I have a question. TT ke chamber me agr bullet jam hujaye. Iska ka solution kia he.
One more question, kia zestava bhe agr zameen per gire tu kia Fire hune ka khatra he.
Best Regards
Vik

Hamid
26-12-2009, 02:07 AM
TT's spring can be bit nasty when field stripping the gun (it has tendency of hitting you in the eye or injuring your thumbs). What I do is, that I remove the slide stop and slowly let the slide go off the gun and then remove the spring.

Similarly, I put the spring in the slide assembly and slide the assembly back on the gun before putting the slide-lock in.

This way is convenient then putting the spring at the last in the gun.

SPAYPANTHER
26-12-2009, 02:56 PM
@ vik

Q1) TT ke chamber me agr bullet jam hujaye. Iska ka solution kia he.

A) sir first of all identifi that why tha bulit has jam in chember!! so that you can finish that falt completli!
ok now tha shall has been jam in tha chamber ! so first of all lock your pistal slide by using slide lock and then see tha shall! if you found some space between tha shall and barell's chember (wich is found at that place from where ejectar eject tha shall) now just insert a scrow driver at that plase and turn it down so that you can pull out tha bulit..

on tha other case if shall is highli jam then remove your barell and then with tha help of a rood wich can insart eassly in barel and a hamer you can eassly remove that!!!\

Q2) kia zestava bhe agr zameen per gire tu kia Fire hune ka khatra he.

A) dear its depand on tha seen! if bulit is inside tha chember and hamer is center lock than may be if at tha time when pistal touch tha flor from hamer side tha hamer move backwords (backword motion will un lock tha hamer) and agen return , at that time pistal will obeyasli fire

Taurus
27-12-2009, 04:10 PM
Dear u need to disassemble your weapon and keep it first in deisel then in hot water for 2 hrs so the stickness would remove then propely clean it and then lubricate oil on it so i hope it runs fine

AK47
27-12-2009, 04:43 PM
Do as Taurus tells you, but after the diesel and hot water process, add one step more: kerosene wash! Let it remain dipped in Kerosene also for 30 minutes or so, then flush out again with more and clean kerosene. Blow dry, finally oil and lubricate. The Kerosene wash will ensure complete internal dryness, before lubrication, and that no residue from diesel is left inside. You should be done then and ready for some fires. Yet use some quality ammo, Chinese, Serbian, to pass final verdict on the gun.

Finally, I must say, firing off some two years old Desi rounds, from a two years untouched and uncleaned gun, both things in my opinion amount to be quite "dare-devilish"! I wouldn't have risked it, not at all.

Xerga
27-12-2009, 05:40 PM
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no hard feelings at all. but look at hits of firing pin. i mean, what the hell is this? taking care of such weapon which isnt capable of even hit a round accurately. You may totally dis-agree and thats ok. but i wouldnt bother myself for such weapon's mantainance .

SPAYPANTHER
27-12-2009, 05:54 PM
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no hard feelings at all. but look at hits of firing pin. i mean, what the hell is this? taking care of such weapon which isnt capable of even hit a round accurately. You may totally dis-agree and thats ok. but i wouldnt bother myself for such weapon's mantainance .


sir g some of us cant afford good one :rolleyes:

Denovo87
27-12-2009, 06:50 PM
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no hard feelings at all. but look at hits of firing pin. i mean, what the hell is this? taking care of such weapon which isnt capable of even hit a round accurately. You may totally dis-agree and thats ok. but i wouldnt bother myself for such weapon's mantainance .


Very well bserved Xerga bro, firing pin strikes I have seen in my whole life make round dent on primer but in this pic primer looks like being hit by some double head pin. The point of impact is also different on all the rounds clearly showing either firing pin has serious balancing problem or the chamber is big enough to hold the bullet properly.

Taurus
27-12-2009, 07:09 PM
+1 Ak47 well added and explained

Xerga
27-12-2009, 07:28 PM
sir g some of us cant afford good one :rolleyes:


@SPAYPANTHER - i agree with your statement. i also cant afford good imported fire arms. its too pricy for me. you are in karachi, otherwise i would love to show you some well made local pistols in .30 cal that i keep, . man those are bullet spitting beasts. and i only use yadgar ammunition ( white box ). cheap pistols. cheap rounds. we can afford that i guess.
attaching a picture of two locally made pistols, to be honest both pieces are oldest one. like 9/10 yrs. apprxl fired 5000 -/+ rounds. ( ofcourse some mantainance was there. ejecters/firing pin/ magzine's spring replacements etc)
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EasyRider
27-12-2009, 10:12 PM
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no hard feelings at all. but look at hits of firing pin. i mean, what the hell is this? taking care of such weapon which isnt capable of even hit a round accurately. You may totally dis-agree and thats ok. but i wouldnt bother myself for such weapon's mantainance .


Very well bserved Xerga bro, firing pin strikes I have seen in my whole life make round dent on primer but in this pic primer looks like being hit by some double head pin. The point of impact is also different on all the rounds clearly showing either firing pin has serious balancing problem or the chamber is big enough to hold the bullet properly.
no bro its not like double pin is striking, i just asked my friend he says he did try to fire twice some of the ammos but didnt work.
the main thing i wanna know is, does it seem to be a gun fault or ammo?

EasyRider
27-12-2009, 10:19 PM
no hard feelings at all. but look at hits of firing pin. i mean, what the hell is this? taking care of such weapon which isnt capable of even hit a round accurately. You may totally dis-agree and thats ok. but i wouldnt bother myself for such weapon's mantainance .
well sir as i am told my friend found this lost weapon from an old bag, he wanted to dispose it off but i told him not to do this but repair it, this weapon is neither for HD nor SD. but i was wondering how to renew it :)
I would appreciate if you suggest me how to fix its firing pin, do i need to give it to a dealer. Well we couldn't find its original license but some copies.

EasyRider
27-12-2009, 10:24 PM
Do as Taurus tells you, but after the diesel and hot water process, add one step more: kerosene wash! .
well can i get this from nila gunbad market?
which lubricant and ammos to purchase, we also have no toolkit.(what tools to buy)
I'd be grateful if you please mention prices of lubri/ammo/tools (if you know)

SPAYPANTHER
28-12-2009, 12:10 AM
Dear u need to disassemble your weapon and keep it first in deisel then in hot water for 2 hrs so the stickness would remove then propely clean it and then lubricate oil on it so i hope it runs fine

water??? i think that rust is because of moistur in atmosfear but you are saying to wash with wather! it should help in creating more rust

Taurus
28-12-2009, 12:26 AM
Spay panther please read my post properly
I meant hot water then lubricate it with oil

Hamid
28-12-2009, 08:46 AM
How about firing some Chinese rounds from this pistol. Local ammo is not reliable.

AK47
28-12-2009, 09:08 AM
@Easyrider..........No specific tools, just a bronze brush for the rust, a bit of scrubbing with this, followed up by a nylon brush and finally the cotton brush with a bit of oil on on it. Done with this, use a cotton swab, dry, and run through barrel a few times to finish.

Hoppes no.9 is an excellent lubricant, other things you may have at home. There is a compact kit available by Hoppes at around Rs.1000, that consists of the brushes above and rods in pieces that you will attach together. They're in a plastic container, very handy to carry around in the pocket.You can find it at P.A.R.A or Buksh Ellahi, etc. Tell them you need one that suits .30 cal. Mostly they're universal, working both in 9mm and .30 also, but just ask to be sure you got the right thing.

Taurus
28-12-2009, 03:45 PM
+1 Ak47 hoppe's no.9 is a very good lube

EasyRider
28-12-2009, 04:06 PM
@taurus @AK47
thank you so much guys will get this stuff.
After seeing pics do you feel any prob with firing pin?
these rounds were fired twice so no double pin striking.
its not striking in the centre but do you think it'll be fixed?

AK47
28-12-2009, 05:39 PM
@EasyRider........You're welcome bro. Don't take our judgements of your gun seriously, nor your own judgement so far. We can't comment on something which has not been through any standard "pre-fire" process with regards to maintenance. Your gun is a neglected item! Do as told, fire again, and then be back with results to hear any opinion from here.

Ka_Khan
28-12-2009, 08:38 PM
Sorry for late reply in the thread.
You have 2 problems..
1)Your Ammo is local and 'outdated'.
2)Your Firing Pin is not hitting properly.It may have jamming problem.
Field strip your gun and dip it in Diesel for a day.Then Lubricate it with any gun oil.If you are new and dont know any,then you can use the simple machine oil.(The small green one which comes in plastic bottle and is around Rs20/-)

@Xerga...i didnt knew that you have such a nice weapons for the 'Pak made Club' :)
The Yadgar bullets which you are talking about are very good and famous here also.

A.Abbas
28-12-2009, 09:13 PM
Lock the slide and try to pull/move the ejector with your finger to check if the spring is working and the notch at the end is ok if it is, apply some oil and load unload the cartridges without firing few times (2 mags). If it do, just need cleaning.
Firing pin seem to be fine as per your description.

Salahuddin Ayubi
28-12-2009, 09:14 PM
A. Abbas, thanks for your prompt feedback. I've moved it to a separate topic.

A.Abbas
28-12-2009, 09:19 PM
:o :lol: I was looking for the question, quite a surprise

EasyRider
30-12-2009, 01:38 AM
@Easyrider..........No specific tools, just a bronze brush for the rust, a bit of scrubbing with this, followed up by a nylon brush and finally the cotton brush with a bit of oil on on it. Done with this, use a cotton swab, dry, and run through barrel a few times to finish.

Hoppes no.9 is an excellent lubricant, other things you may have at home. There is a compact kit available by Hoppes at around Rs.1000, that consists of the brushes above and rods in pieces that you will attach together. They're in a plastic container, very handy to carry around in the pocket.You can find it at P.A.R.A or Buksh Ellahi, etc. Tell them you need one that suits .30 cal. Mostly they're universal, working both in 9mm and .30 also, but just ask to be sure you got the right thing.
bro i spent 2 hours in market today and asked everyone about hoppes no.9 but didnt get anywhere and not even at PARA.
secondly the cheapest toolkit available in the market is around Rs.3000. NoOne knows about hoppes toolkit or any other in less prices. i'd be thankful if you get me a direct access number to a dealer who has all this stuff.
currently MOKAL guys gave me anti-rust lubricant of NASA. but i have no tools, i wanna buy the toolkit which you told me.

EasyRider
30-12-2009, 04:03 AM
also, gun is dipped in diesel, can i also dip magazines?

SPAYPANTHER
30-12-2009, 02:38 PM
@ easy riders
yas you can dip magzen in diesel!

Naveed_pk
30-12-2009, 02:47 PM
@Easyrider..........No specific tools, just a bronze brush for the rust, a bit of scrubbing with this, followed up by a nylon brush and finally the cotton brush with a bit of oil on on it. Done with this, use a cotton swab, dry, and run through barrel a few times to finish.

Hoppes no.9 is an excellent lubricant, other things you may have at home. There is a compact kit available by Hoppes at around Rs.1000, that consists of the brushes above and rods in pieces that you will attach together. They're in a plastic container, very handy to carry around in the pocket.You can find it at P.A.R.A or Buksh Ellahi, etc. Tell them you need one that suits .30 cal. Mostly they're universal, working both in 9mm and .30 also, but just ask to be sure you got the right thing.
bro i spent 2 hours in market today and asked everyone about hoppes no.9 but didnt get anywhere and not even at PARA.
secondly the cheapest toolkit available in the market is around Rs.3000. NoOne knows about hoppes toolkit or any other in less prices. i'd be thankful if you get me a direct access number to a dealer who has all this stuff.
currently MOKAL guys gave me anti-rust lubricant of NASA. but i have no tools, i wanna buy the toolkit which you told me.


...Hopes9 handgun kit is at Baksh Ellahi @3000..