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AK47
06-12-2009, 12:25 AM
Guyz, have the pleasure to announce arrival of much awaited and longed-for gun, Zastava M-57 Lux version. Dr. Zakir sb found it somehow at 30K price. Hope he would be kind enough to post pics and provide further info.

wasifali89
06-12-2009, 12:30 AM
yeah sure

ive found this by my friend somewhere in WANA

hope when he returns he brings it for me
cux i dont have any telephonic contact with him

Dr Zakir
06-12-2009, 12:31 AM
it is not the LUX but simple zastava m57

Ilyas
06-12-2009, 12:32 AM
Wow... it's such a great news for those who have been waiting very anxiously for it, I'm one of
those too :) Now hoping it doesn't disappoint too many of us. Thanks for sharing the breaking
news AK bro. Zakir bhai, many of us are waiting for you to reveal this beauty and a few wise
words about it :)

AK47
06-12-2009, 12:35 AM
Dr. Sahib, the Lux IS just a simple M-57. Only difference is Silver finish and grip. If these two things are there, it's a M-57 Lux. Does it have a special and kind of "extended" rubbery grip?

Ilyas
06-12-2009, 12:37 AM
Chalo!!! kahani mein twist... :lol:
AK... :(

AK47
06-12-2009, 01:31 AM
Chalo!!! kahani mein twist... :lol:
AK... :( No need to feel sad, Ilyas, what Dr. sahib has IS the Lux. Dr. sahib just thinks the Lux is something special, perhaps different features or something, that's why he is saying he might only have the M-57. Yet, I know, he has the LUX, coz in another thread he just mentioned that he has a Zastava in silver and that the grip is nice!. Now what does this mean, you think? Just wait till tomorrow, Dr. sahib himself will be surprised, once I confirm him the model, if he does post some pics of a gun with above descriptions as per his own post in another thread! Wait.

Nabeel
06-12-2009, 01:45 AM
M57

http://s1.postimage.org/aCCfi.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gxaCCfi)

M57 LUX

http://s2.postimage.org/zecRA.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=TszecRA)

AK47
06-12-2009, 01:51 AM
Thanks Nabeel. Dr sahib MOST likely has the lower one, coz he mentions in thread: "Which pistol would you like to recommend", about silver finish and nice grip.. Let's wait till Dr. sahib is back.

Ilyas
06-12-2009, 01:52 AM
I'll call him tomorrow n ask him to post some pics, if that's not a problem for him.
But I doubt, Zakir bhai can have any such misunderstanding. I think he must have
liked the grip of M57, which is a bit longer than the Chinese variants n therefore
feels much better. Anyways, let's see what happens. It was nice of you, even to
give us all some happiness, no matter for how short it lived :D just joking, you're
a bro ;)

AK47
06-12-2009, 02:02 AM
Lol! Ilyas bro, so I'm making you all happy in "Hawaii" terms! Well, you're right, perhaps he just liked the extended grip, but let me just tell you one interesting thing. If you go to the site of Zastava now, you'll not find the Lux version any more like on the picture above by Nabeel. On the latest site pictures, M-57 Lux is just an ordinary M-57, only in Stainless! Apart from that, no difference! So, in such terms, if Dr. sahib's gun is original stainless finish, it's kind of a Lux, just missing those beautiful grips above, which I by the way think even the company has stopped using by now, at least from the latest web pages from the site. Let's see what Dr. sahib has to present tomorrow. Regards.

Enigmatic Desires
06-12-2009, 03:53 AM
Darn.. I can hardly wait to c whch one it is. I think the lux has to be 1 of the most eagerly awaited guns around..

Ka_Khan
06-12-2009, 04:03 AM
Hopeful Dr Sahib has the lower version.The price tag attached is very good.

Yardie Jutt
06-12-2009, 04:10 AM
Dr. Sahib, the Lux IS just a simple M-57. Only difference is Silver finish and grip. If these two things are there, it's a M-57 Lux. Does it have a special and kind of "extended" rubbery grip?

AK sir when i read this post of your the imagery in my mind was somewhat similar for both of the versions but when i got to see them as Nabeel Sb posted there pictures, i was like :o....th following version is way too hot...and the first one is just another old TT like :|

AK47
06-12-2009, 08:42 AM
@Yardie bro........You're still mistaken, my dear. Plz try to zoom in to both pictures. Note every single detail. ONLY grip and stainless finishing is the difference, ONLY! Especially the extended grip changes the whole impression, since it stretches far out to both sides, at the rear it extends in fact all the to the hammer! Watch the slide, the grooves, the slide lock, the sight, EVERYTHING is the SAME. They made absolutely NO change to the frame or model as such, only changed the grip and the size of magazine release button, and as per the model name also, Lux course just stands for "Luxery", and this is given in the comfortable grip. Zoom in to both, keep them side by side, watch them CLOSELY, you'll finally agree with me! Not much of an X-ray effort!

Dr Zakir
06-12-2009, 11:58 PM
no special grip in rubber just normal but it is silver

Dr Zakir
07-12-2009, 12:05 AM
i don't know how to post pictures will give it to moeen for doing that. i dont have a camera

AK47
07-12-2009, 12:08 AM
Dr Sahib, thanks, well, if you could be kind enough to post some pics, we would appreciate to see. I feel it's a semi lux, and on the latest pics on the company site, it is a lux, meaning it's an ordinary M-57, just in SS. Plz let us have some pictures.

AK47
07-12-2009, 12:14 AM
Sir, Moeen is even more alien to cameras! Both our top experts do not like these gadgets so much! Well, anyhow, whenever you can.

Ilyas
07-12-2009, 01:00 AM
@Zakir Bhai... AssalaAlaikum! Hope all is fine.
I just have another idea, to save you from all the trouble of posting any pics.
Why don't you simply tell us about your gun, by looking at both the guns in
Nabeel's post at sr. no 8. Yours is the first one in SS finish or just like the
second one? :)

AK47
07-12-2009, 08:33 AM
Ilyas bro........Think it's a hybrid! M-57, normal grip, SS, just wonder if it's actually two-tone or complete SS? Yet, no Lux so far, unfortunately. Just checked out on site, M-57 available in SS!

ay_be_why
07-12-2009, 10:29 AM
M57

http://s1.postimage.org/aCCfi.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gxaCCfi)

M57 LUX

http://s2.postimage.org/zecRA.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=TszecRA)

just changing the shape of the grip has made a WORLD of a difference in the looks of both the guns... the second one is downright gorgeous. you can put it up against any latest handgun in the looks-department. wow :o

Salahuddin Ayubi
07-12-2009, 01:32 PM
So, kya tay hoa?

M57 hay ya M57 Lux?

Nabeel
07-12-2009, 01:41 PM
@ Salahuddin Ayubi Sahib

M57 Lux

Salahuddin Ayubi
07-12-2009, 01:45 PM
Pakka?

Nabeel
07-12-2009, 01:50 PM
I thinkso ;)

Nabeel
07-12-2009, 01:52 PM
http://www.zastava-arms.co.rs/english/civilni.htm

Dr Zakir
07-12-2009, 02:21 PM
i will post pictures in a day or two .

Moeen
07-12-2009, 05:34 PM
@AK 47 - Bro!!!! hahaahaha, you are right I don't know how to take good pics... or then again, I like not to waste taking the time to take good photos. Bro, you live in Isb., I would from now on like you take all pics for me. This offer is real and no joke. Just remember don't let me down...:)

AK47
09-12-2009, 02:13 PM
@AK 47 - Bro!!!! hahaahaha, you are right I don't know how to take good pics... or then again, I like not to waste taking the time to take good photos. Bro, you live in Isb., I would from now on like you take all pics for me. This offer is real and no joke. Just remember don't let me down...:) Well, Moeen bro, as you'd agree with me, a weapons-lover and a photographer at least have one thing in common, SHOOTING! Perhaps you should really practice a bit of the other form as well! You see most modern cameras today leave almost nothing to do for the photographer. In fact a model by Sony even has a smile detector, that clicks the shutter right when somebody puts a smile to the face! Perhaps what you're still waiting for is a "smoke detector", or a "bang detector"! Well, honestly speaking, that wouldn't really be feasible for the poor camera nor the man behind it, so you better get yourself used to what's in the market and post us something about that tricky Zastava, good luck!

Glocky
09-12-2009, 04:25 PM
No pictures yet, huh :|

Taurus
10-12-2009, 02:09 AM
what is it ??is it the lux model or the previous version

Dr Zakir
11-12-2009, 12:51 AM
i have been trying to post pictures but could not do so , i will mail them to moeen so that he can post them

Yardie Jutt
11-12-2009, 01:03 AM
@Yardie bro........You're still mistaken, my dear. Plz try to zoom in to both pictures. Note every single detail. ONLY grip and stainless finishing is the difference, ONLY! Especially the extended grip changes the whole impression, since it stretches far out to both sides, at the rear it extends in fact all the to the hammer! Watch the slide, the grooves, the slide lock, the sight, EVERYTHING is the SAME. They made absolutely NO change to the frame or model as such, only changed the grip and the size of magazine release button, and as per the model name also, Lux course just stands for "Luxery", and this is given in the comfortable grip. Zoom in to both, keep them side by side, watch them CLOSELY, you'll finally agree with me! Not much of an X-ray effort!


Sir AK i do agree by every single word of yours regarding the similarity between the two...but the only point i was trying to make was that as you said that there was difference of these two features only, it gave me a thought there won't be such aSTANDING OUTcontrast...no doubts the structure is 100% the same but the LUX effect outclasses the former one :)

AK47
11-12-2009, 09:20 AM
@Yardie....... The grip brought wonders to this standard model.

Waqas
14-12-2009, 11:55 PM
Dr. sb we r still waiting for pics , plz do it as soon as possible.

Enigmatic Desires
15-12-2009, 01:31 PM
Dr. sb we r still waiting for pics , plz do it as soon as possible.


Poor Waqas Bhai.. it was from U that i developed an enthusiasm for this weapon. I feel for U .. U have stil not being able to get it...

HKS
15-12-2009, 06:20 PM
i saw this in rwp the dealer was asking 48 k for it...bloody butchers!!!!!!

Bhatti
15-12-2009, 11:14 PM
whats the caliber of this gun?

Nabeel
15-12-2009, 11:28 PM
@ Bhatti

7.62 x 25 mm

pup868
25-12-2009, 07:11 PM
i saw this in rwp the dealer was asking 48 k for it...bloody butchers!!!!!!

Salaam,
where did you see the m57 LUX version as that's what I am after, was it in Raza Bazaar or Sudhar or do you know the dealers name and address?
Does anyone have any pictures of the same?

Thanks.

pup868
25-12-2009, 08:22 PM
no special grip in rubber just normal but it is silver

Salaam,
Could you please tell me where you got it from?
Thanks.

AK47
26-12-2009, 11:02 AM
Still awaiting Moeen and Dr. Sahib to attend this "photographic issue"!

Manj
26-12-2009, 11:42 AM
whats going on, waiting..........:(

AK47
26-12-2009, 01:56 PM
whats going on, waiting..........:( Nothing is going on, Moeen and Dr. sahib are just more familiar with trigger and safety locks, less with the round, little button on top of any Digi camera, that instead of releasing a "bullet", releases a tiny "shutter"! ;)

Gilani
26-12-2009, 05:08 PM
http://www.zastava-arms.co.rs/english/civilni.htm

Is this link working? Cant connect somehow.

Taurus
27-12-2009, 05:06 PM
Guys Dr.Zakir is too busy these days with family commitments as soon as he is going to get time he'll surely upload the pics

Dr Zakir
27-12-2009, 09:40 PM
moeen has taken pictures today and will load in day or 2

Moeen
27-12-2009, 09:54 PM
Salam All,
I have taken photos of the gun, yes its very beautiful.

http://s1.postimage.org/18tclA.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gx18tclA)

http://s1.postimage.org/18teQJ.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gx18teQJ)

Following are pictures of a 7mm rifle that belonged to Dr. Zakir's Father

http://s1.postimage.org/18tmk9.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gx18tmk9)

http://s1.postimage.org/18toPi.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gx18toPi)

Moeen
27-12-2009, 10:25 PM
@AK47 - lol +1

Salahuddin Ayubi
27-12-2009, 10:33 PM
Beeeautty.

Awwww AK, it seems it's not a Lux, afterall :(

The hunt is still on.

AK47
27-12-2009, 10:34 PM
Much awaited! Thanks Moeen. Nice gun, indeed, yet I think I'd still prefer it in black. Excellent, and best of all, it shoots even more excellently. Congrats Dr. Sahib, first out of 1100 PG'rs to have the pleasure with this beauty! Nice.

SA..........Not a Lux, you're right, but actually was thinking, if Moeen, with all his experience over there in DAK, really couldn't manage to manufacture the rubbery "grip" of the Lux, after all, that's the only difference between these two models, yet a difference that somehow changes the whole outlook. Technically, I really don't deem it an impossible challenge.

Moeen
27-12-2009, 10:36 PM
@S.A. And AK47 - I have also posted some pictures of this little project I just did with the Glock. Check it out.

Salahuddin Ayubi
27-12-2009, 10:37 PM
Did check it out and found it really interesting. Like Danny pointed out there, 'not for the weak of heart'. :)

Taurus
27-12-2009, 11:57 PM
gr8 one dr.zakir

Gilani
28-12-2009, 12:02 AM
Beautiful pistol, Dr Sahib.

Luger
14-02-2010, 12:35 AM
hello to all...

i a am typing it from belgrade, serbia, and i am pleasantly surprised that is pakistan zastava has
so much potential users, so i try to explain some things about zastava handguns.

m-57 is old military pistol, improved russian tt-33, and that is correct
for long life expectancy for this part of the pistol.

other parts are made of 1730 steel, also excellent steel, especially for other improvements like chrome, nickel or
even gold plating.

compared with russian or chinese tt, yugo ( now serbian ...) m 57 is made in smaller numbers and with greater care.

... and of better materials...

lux m 57 is, you guessed right, luxury version of m 57, but if there is difficulty to get one, you can do all work on
customizing it in your country in any better workshop.

all m 57 are in basic made like black guns, and are customized after that.

good luck with yuor work and best regards from serbia ...

:)

AK47
14-02-2010, 12:53 AM
@Luger...........Welcome to the forum bro and very nice first post indeed. Hope you'll enjoy our company, and you're right the "lux" is basically the same thing as the M-57 and can be customized, we just need those rubbery "grips", apart from that we can manage customization over here. Thanks.

KageFox
14-02-2010, 03:20 AM
Thanks for the input, Luger. I'm sure in time, one of our people will come up with our own version of the "M57 Lux"... possibly someone from this very forum... :)

Luger
14-02-2010, 06:33 AM
thanks people...

:)

i found this place by accident, while i was looking informations about cz 999.

i am really surprised that you know about m 57, cz 99 and cz 999.

this rubber grips that you talking about are product of small private company near
belgrade, in small town called vinca. name of manufacturer is ?combat?.

i was not satisfied with their solutions of grips for m 57, because i do not think
that finger groves are good for any combat handgun
( you can not place every finger where designer wanted it if you are in really bad situation),
but second type of grips for cz 99 are good, ergonomically and by shape.

maybe i am too tight in my evaluating of some product, but simply ?combat? could make it
just a little bit better.

all combat grips are hard and anti slip as just they should be, just there is a slight miss in shape...
also first type grips for cz 99 are not perfect, but second type is proof that they have learned a lesson...

:)

price in shops for grips few years ago was, as i remember, for all handguns between 10 - 15 EUR,
what probably i can check for you those days...( prices in belgrade, serbia)

i also have a problem to post picture in here, i will find where i am making mistake,
and i will try to post pictures of my czīs, so you will be able to see what i am talking about..

Luger
14-02-2010, 07:11 AM
sorry, i try to correct myself, i missed to write something else in my first post:

barrels for all zastava handguns are made forged, cold hammered steel called 13A.

same steel is used for automatic rifles, hunting rifles ( design mauser 98 ), so in pistols
that work with small pressure this barrels can last really long.

there is one more thing about this barrels, they release heat a little faster then it is expected
( this is very good for machine guns, like m 53, m 72 and m 84 that has same material used for barrels ,
and those models are in use in serbian army ).

barrels made in this way are often quite expensive, and in my opinion best on the market.

zastava is traditionally not aware of real price that can be achieved for their products,
so they sell it cheap. i do not know prices for zastava pistols in your country, but if they are
not cheap, it is just matter of your dealers.

Luger
14-02-2010, 07:32 AM
http://s4.postimage.org/VtoUJ.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=aVVtoUJ)

http://s1.postimage.org/th1_A.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gxth1_A)

http://s2.postimage.org/uUTU9.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=TsuUTU9)

http://s2.postimage.org/uUWoi.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=TsuUWoi)

http://s2.postimage.org/uV7S0.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=TsuV7S0)

http://s1.postimage.org/thlXJ.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gxthlXJ)

it seems that i did it !!!!!

bravo for me !!!!!!!!

Luger
14-02-2010, 07:47 AM
now i will explain everything:

- first picture is gold plated cz 99, not frame, because gold can be plated on steel, but on material such as
aluminum used in aircraft industry that can not rust in any way, it is not possible. frame is hard chromed.
grips are combat, second type, of course

- second picture is to make difference between old and new model of cz 99, it can be seen on fore end of slide.
all chromed pistol is older, made in 1992. for export in usa in caliber .40 s&w

- third picture is to compare cz 99 and serbian version of tt 33 in cal 7,65 mm browning ( 32 auto),
or same model in 9 mm browning ( 380 auto ). model is marked m 70, those grips are walnut and are hand made,
they are not standar.

- field stripped cz 99

- barrels in 9 mm and .40 s&w, also recoil springs with guides. notice that spring for .40 caliber is more massive.

- cz 99made for export in iraq, this i posted to ask someone to translate for me what is written on the frame, because
i can not read those letters. this one on the picture is now somewhere in russia, brought by soldier that worked
with peace keeping forces in baghdad, i think... in that i am not sure ...

Luger
14-02-2010, 08:18 AM
since now i have time and i do not know when i will be in such situation again, i will post for you
some more pictures.


http://s3.postimage.org/bdbuJ.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=PqbdbuJ)

this is m 70, same like one with walnut grips, but customized up to level that hurts ... do you recognize it at all ?


http://s3.postimage.org/bdgu0.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=Pqbdgu0)

this one is m 57 , chromed and with walnut grips... for real admirers... as you see, there are some of them ( or us ... )
in serbia...nice work ...


http://s1.postimage.org/tiiP9.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gxtiiP9)

this is m 57 with rubber grips, first type, from manufacturer ?combat?.



http://s1.postimage.org/tilji.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gxtilji)

this is also m 57, but with second type grips from same manufacturer.



http://s1.postimage.org/tiqiA.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gxtiqiA)



http://s2.postimage.org/uWtFS.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=TsuWtFS)



http://s1.postimage.org/tisNJ.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gxtisNJ)

on those 3 pictures is zastava z - 10, modification of tt 33 but in cal. 10 mm auto ( it is not mistake! ).
my first impression of this pistol were that it is not strong enough for this caliber, but soon i changed my opinion.
it will last as long as colt elite in same caliber, if not even longer.

spent case can be extracted up to 10 (yes, ten ! ) meters away from the pistol while shooting.

this one is real monster!

according to russian school of small arms, that zastava abandoned at last, this model has no manual or any
other safety, what means that it is safe only if bullet is not chambered...but quality of work and materials
are much more than it costs.

that would be all for now, great regards from belgrade...

:)

AK47
14-02-2010, 11:03 AM
@Luger...........That's a nice contribution above to the site here on Serbian goodies. Well, we pay around 30-33K for the Zastava M-57 here and somewhere between 45-50K for the CZ 999, now you can compare!

Thanks for all the info on the materials used by Zastava, indeed it's solid items they present to the users.

KageFox
14-02-2010, 11:25 AM
Awesome pictures! Couldn't get my eyes off the variations of the Tok!

Faisji
14-02-2010, 11:30 AM
M57 costs about 260-310 EUR
CZ999 are around 395-440 EUR

Rotorcrafts
14-02-2010, 12:28 PM
Awesome would be an understatement regarding your guns, Also the information about them is really good to know. Moreover the Arabic written on one of the pistols translates to "Gift for the Prime Minister of IRAQ".

Starfish
14-02-2010, 12:48 PM
very nice luger!
welcome to the forum. Looking forward to your valuable contributions.

Zhatash
14-02-2010, 01:43 PM
:)really nice to see all these enthusiasm about my favorite handgun

9mm Luger
14-02-2010, 02:00 PM
Welcome Luger Sir.. we expect to learn a lot from you :D

Luger
14-02-2010, 03:40 PM
thanks to you all...

:)

thanks for translation, i meant that those letters should mean something like that,
but i could not be sure.

thanks for prices, compared, m 57 in serbia, black, costs about 180 eur, what is cheaper,
but cz 999 we pay practically same price. i still consider it a bargain, because sig, so similar to cz 999
that sometimes it can not be made difference between them, costs several times more,
and does not have chromium plated barrel.
to have cz 999 for the same price like on almost other side of the globe from the manufacturer is good
for you.

not all those guns are mine, mine are just those 3 on next picture:


http://s3.postimage.org/bGrOi.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=PqbGrOi)

other pictures are just illustrations what can be done with tt...

i will put some more to give you some ideas, if i may ...

first one is small tt in 7,65 mm browning, real master piece ...



http://s1.postimage.org/tJCUJ.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gxtJCUJ)

second would be also small tt, done nice and with good taste, by my opinion ...



http://s1.postimage.org/tKij9.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gxtKij9)

next is picture taken from commercial, owner pictured this m 57 because he wanted to sell it...



http://s3.postimage.org/bIHZr.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=PqbIHZr)

next image is borrowed from forum where i like spent some time when i can... also nice work and good taste...



http://s3.postimage.org/bJuSi.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=PqbJuSi)

...also borrowed picture, nice pearl grips and compensator mounted on the slide ... slide is high polished,
as you can see.

http://s4.postimage.org/VTC9i.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=aVVTC9i)

next 2 are from russian forum, of course, it is genuine tt 33, and it is interesting to see...



http://s4.postimage.org/VTTCi.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=aVVTTCi)



http://s4.postimage.org/VU550.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=aVVU550)

great hands of russian gunsmith masters!

next is m 57 , pictured somewhere in usa to be sold on internet auction, as i remember ... notice manual safety,
what was requested for import in usa ...


http://s4.postimage.org/VUp29.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=aVVUp29)

...and the last one for this post, american way of military customizing tt ... green , i think baked paint on the frame
of the pistol, i would never choose it for my gun ...



http://s1.postimage.org/tMZVS.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gxtMZVS)

also i will post here for you pictures of good shape for rubber grips ... they are not made for tt yet,
so you have to see it on cz 99 ...


http://s2.postimage.org/vqDIi.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=TsvqDIi)



http://s4.postimage.org/VVgVi.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=aVVVgVi)

another illustration of good work, cz 99, compensator fixed on the slide ...



http://s4.postimage.org/VVyni.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=aVVVyni)

thank you all for warm welcome, once more time ...

:)

in serbia, maybe i can say, m 57 and cz 99 are 2 most popular pistols ever ....

i especially like small tt ... so there is mine, this time a little closer, and medal from WW I for decoration ...



http://s4.postimage.org/VWqfr.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=aVVWqfr)

enjoy rest of the day ...

:)

KageFox
14-02-2010, 03:54 PM
A Tok with mother-of-pearl grips and compensator? Looks like something out of a fiction I once read :)

Can't just wait to get my hands on a Tok and start dressing it up after all these mouth-watering pics...

Luger
14-02-2010, 04:10 PM
... and manual safety on the slide that fully blocks firing pin when is activated...

dear friends, i also really respect tt and itīs variations, so, sky is the limit...especially because i am sure that
you also have excellent gunsmiths in your country, and will to give this fine and most reliable pistols
what they deserve...

for decades those pistols are not considered more than working tools, and now it seems to be that
they are getting at last little care that was deserved ages ago ...

i will try to find if still there is any of those rubber grips for sale in belgrade, and if the price still the same,
and if there is some possibility, maybe we will find the way to send you some somehow.

...but good walnut, especially parts from the root of the tree, or good grips from cherry or rose wood are
always excellent solutions, and can be fitted to your hands, what with rubber is not possible.

Gilani
14-02-2010, 05:54 PM
Welcome to PakGuns brother Luger and I must say, awesome posts :). The pics that you have posted are absolutely marvelous. Thanks for sharing your first hand knowledge.

I have always been a great admirer of East European weapons and have always felt that they never got the fame that they rightly deserved. CZ999 is an example which in my personal view is a top class handgun, far better than many Western made (or Western favoured) handguns available in Pakistan in far greater prices.

Luger bro, if possible, please upload some pics of customised CZ999 Scorpion also in The CZ 999 thread (lots of pics) by Mr Abbas.
thanks and regards :)

Luger
14-02-2010, 08:04 PM
for sir gilani, it is hard even in serbia to find pictures of customized 999...

it seems that people find out that it is gun that there is no need to be much customized,
so by now i can offer only chrome plated pictures...also taken photo for sale ...













http://s4.postimage.org/Ww4_J.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=aVWw4_J)

http://s4.postimage.org/WweZi.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=aVWweZi)

anyhow, i will try to make it up for you...here we have another close look at ?combat? rubber grips...
pistol is in 9 mm para cal., not in 7,62 mm ...



http://s1.postimage.org/uz2oS.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gxuz2oS)

another picture is borrowed from canadian company that sales small arms, and i apologize for that,
but there was only place where i could find picture of rare m 60. notice manual safety like at m 70
in cal. 7,65 mm and 9 mm short. this pistol on picture is in 9 mm para.



http://s4.postimage.org/Wx9lA.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=aVWx9lA)

just for illustration, cz 99 compact g ...



http://s3.postimage.org/crvVJ.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=PqcrvVJ)

...and like a crown for this post, a pistol that we are waiting for since it was first seen like prototype in 1995.,
as i remember well, supreme race gun called top xx ( means cannon twenty ).
it is still prototype, it is not in serial production, it passed excellent all test, even
shooting more than 100.000 rounds with only one part broken ( it is corrected ) on one of belgrades
ranges.we all looking forward to it, but manufacturer still do not know when production will start...

if they ever make it, i will be one of first to buy it! i claim that this pistol is equal to sport versions of sig !





http://s3.postimage.org/csKf9.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=PqcsKf9)

Gilani
14-02-2010, 10:27 PM
Thanks for the effort Sir, really appreciate it. :)



http://s3.postimage.org/csKf9.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=PqcsKf9)

Now this is a beauty. Simply marvelous. I would wait for it too. :)

KageFox
14-02-2010, 10:38 PM
Luger, in most of the pics, the Tok has the standard iron sights, which, while usable, leave a LOT of room for improvement. However, in one of the pics, the sight on the slide was pretty different.... the one with the rib on the slide. Care to elaborate on that one?

Cuz, for a while I have been thinking if there was some way to replace the original iron sights all together, and put in something for efficient....

Luger
15-02-2010, 07:03 AM
kagefox

yes, you noticed it right. like on colts 1911, toks are made to play with them. there are numbered possibilities
of improving them, and sights are just one of them.

sights on all toks are old and small, bad for any fast aiming. they can be ok just for slow aiming for target
shooting.

but, similar to 1911 colts, ways to change them exists. especially with serbian m 57, that already has removable
rear and front sight. since there is no any sets on the market for toks, only solution left is to adjust sights for some
other model and mount it on your tok, or to make new sights by your self.

of course, it is easier to buy them ... if you like, rear sight can be real adjustable sport model.

for placing it on the slide, you must ask a gunsmith for help: he will cut slide in way to be able to accept
new sights.

before your final choice for buying, try to find sights that fit on slides that are about same long as the
toks slide. first mount them, and try them how it suits you, then remove them if you are about to
refinish your tok, and get it back on the slide.

no matter what you do with your pistol, chrome, nickel, paint etc. , my choice are always black sights,
with white dots, or just black. chromed sights are less visible when you need them most.

Faisji
15-02-2010, 12:11 PM
Luger any ideas on the barrel life of M57?

Luger
15-02-2010, 12:38 PM
faisji

i do not remember that anyone for all this years published it,
but i have seen many of those pistols that last more than 30 or even 40.000 round.

it is not unusual for a slide to live shorter than barrel at m 57. slide at the end curves, in way that it
rear end goes up, and than you drop m 57 in garbage can ...

there are 2 parts at those guns that should be ready to change during itīs lifetime,
one is external spring that holds slide stop, shaped as fork, on right side of frame
( it can brake every 5 - 10.000 rounds ), and one small part inside triggering mechanism,
one that release hammer, and is often polished for easier trigger pull.
both of those parts are meant to be changed during usage by designer tokarev,
so it is not mistake of manufacturer.
this polishing is a very tricky job: surface of this small part is hardened in factory,
and polishing can remove this thin part that is hardest, so what is left is soft and
last much shorter than. when this part is too polished ( thinned to much ) tokarevs
start to shoot in fully automatic mode, which would not be so terrible if they wouldīt
shot without touching trigger in the same moment when round is chambered.
please, pay attention to it, it can cause real tragedy.

Luger
15-02-2010, 01:35 PM
... and one suggestion for you all, if i may ...

since i found this place, i have learned much about pakistan, from internet, of course,
and as i have been reading your posts i found out that you have respect for zastava
as a manufacturer.

so, i will tell you one of my impressions about zastava pistols: of all zastava pistols,
and i told you here about this, i was most thrilled by z - 10.

this pistol does not costs much ( about 270 - 280 eur in serbia ), which is less than cz 99 / cz 999,
has hard chromed barrel, inertia firing pin, walnut grips, it is based on tt design and holds
8 rounds in magazine, but 8 rounds of 10 mm auto .

if you can find any of those 10 mm pistols in your country, i would recommend to try it first,
on range, and if you can on bricks, bottles ( fill it with water, to see energy ) etc.

if recoil does not bother you too much, it is good value for the money, and you will not find
so powerfull pistol so cheap anywhere.

7,62 mm tt is a childish toy compared with 10 mm auto ...

KageFox
15-02-2010, 07:47 PM
Never seen or heard of the 10mm around here. It sure is a powerful round... but few guns today are chambered for it...

Enigmatic Desires
22-02-2010, 12:41 AM
10mm is a very powerfull round wiht balastics comparable to .357 SIG..

But I have yet to c one here in Pakistan.. Though with the recoil of the original TT nothing to laugh at an as freind luger put it.. the original TT is a toy compared to this monster.. i can imagine what kind of recoil it will generate

AlexInVirginia_USA
15-03-2012, 12:00 PM
Luger if you can help I would appreciate it. I'm looking to obtain a set of Zastava M57 Lux grips for my M57. I've tried to reach this company called "combat" in Vinca, Serbia with no success. Do you know where I can purchase these grips?
Thanks!!!
AlexInVirginia_USA

American Lockpicker
15-03-2012, 09:37 PM
Have you tried EAA(European American Armory)? I know they deal in Serbian guns.

paki.gunner
16-03-2012, 12:02 AM
excellent thread. just read all posts and it took me to Zastava journey. thank you Ruger bro for starting this thread. You have excellent collection. i loved it

kf7mjf
19-03-2012, 11:04 AM
A very nice gun! I wish I could get it in the US!

AlexInVirginia_USA
20-03-2012, 03:01 AM
EAA said that Zastava will not export anything with a quantity of less than 500 pieces. If we had an order big enough then we can order the LUX grips.
The company (Kombat or Combat) that makes them is outside of Belgrade in a suburb called Vinca. I have their phone number but not their address. And I can't speak Serbian so it would do me little good to call them. Those are the only two sources
I've found to even get them. the other option I've looked in to was to have a rubber company make a mold and run me off some. But the cost was way too much.
$1000 setup up front and $1500 for min order of 250 pieces. Kinds broke my heart cuse i love this gun. The only other option I've heard of was to buy a wrap around grip from Hogue for the 1911 Colt and then drill and tap it so the grips can be attached this way. That seems to be about my only option left.
AlexInVA

kf7mjf
20-03-2012, 03:07 AM
Hmmm, at that point might as well see how much it would cost to get 500 M 57 Lux fitted with a safety and imported to the US.

American Lockpicker
20-03-2012, 12:26 PM
You could also see if any are available in Canada. The TT is very popular up there and theres all kinds of interesting stuff floating around there.

kf7mjf
20-03-2012, 12:27 PM
Yeah, but it still has to get fitted with a safety, and I'd rather have a factory fitted one.

Shani1
20-04-2012, 12:12 AM
yar mujhy koi gun segest kro? 40 thousand k budget main

sadatpk
29-05-2012, 07:00 PM
yar mujhy koi gun segest kro? 40 thousand k budget main
pls use English br as per forum rules,now Cf 98 is ur only option if u add 5k more than Canik 55 is the best in ur range,ask ur querry in relevant thread