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Capt Asad
04-12-2009, 12:04 PM
AOA to all the members,
I have some querries regarding my CF-98.
Is there any variant which is without accessory rail?
The norinco emblem is etched alongwith cal specs and make on the slide-stop side but there is no entercon emblem on the ejector port side of the slide. Rest of the details on the pistol including the carrying box are same. Seniors, plz help.

Aamar
04-12-2009, 12:10 PM
The CF 98 comes with various etchings, with or without the Norninco emblem, the Shaheen emblem and many more ..... No need to worry about it .... Put up a pic or two for further comment ...... :D

AK47
04-12-2009, 12:46 PM
Capt sb.......First of all welcome here. Second, there is both with and without rails.

Monis
04-12-2009, 01:20 PM
Welcome on board.great pistol u hav enjoy

JUGAN99
04-12-2009, 01:29 PM
Welcome to PG
I think you got a good pistol

139
04-12-2009, 03:07 PM
welcome on board.. it seems we have got a khaki on board.. bro which unit... and best of luck for the pistol.. and for pics i second Aamar

139

139
04-12-2009, 03:10 PM
Finally we are getting khakis in... good development..
I know this question does not belong to the thread but i may ask which pistol you officially get issued with......

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Gunpsycho
04-12-2009, 03:11 PM
Welcome on board hope you will enjoy using ur CF98

Topak
04-12-2009, 05:17 PM
capt welcome to pakguns...
i think you have original...
actually Norinco is not producing these pistols....they get it prepared by others and stamp norinco logo on it.due to ban on Norinco now they are exporting with different names and logo.

Sohail
04-12-2009, 06:02 PM
yes and those different names are being bought in cheaper rates. like a company who produces three types of foams, all on one plant but keeping in view the psyche of consumer/customer they give different names to develop an ease factor. you CF must be of genuine line.

139:numebr of members from our forces are on board since the day one, its nothing new bro.

regards

Salahuddin Ayubi
04-12-2009, 06:49 PM
Khakis? Maybe he's a pilot in a commercial airliner.

139
04-12-2009, 07:54 PM
or may be a officer in navy....or just the captain of local cricket team :D

pardon the lighter part

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Capt Asad
04-12-2009, 08:18 PM
Thank you all for a warm welcome. I am an army officer. I'll try to answer all of your questions. There is no other std issue since walther p38's induction as a side arm which is a wwII weapon. Officers are auth to carry MP5A2. But recently POF tried to buy license for Kanuni S and Sarsilmaz B6. NP22(sig226 clone) is also under consideration. SSG Officers have Glock 17. I bought CF98 after going through the posts on this forum. FYI norinco is also a contractor to Pak Army for larger & more sophiticated weapons. I have been a member of its trial board. They really produce value for money.

Capt Asad
04-12-2009, 08:27 PM
http://s3.postimage.org/1Nxxd9.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=Pq1Nxxd9)

http://s3.postimage.org/1NxzIi.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=Pq1NxzIi)

http://s3.postimage.org/1NxMb0.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=Pq1NxMb0)

http://s3.postimage.org/1NxW9A.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=Pq1NxW9A)

http://s3.postimage.org/1Ny08S.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=Pq1Ny08S)

Capt Asad
04-12-2009, 08:29 PM
Members, kindly have a look at the merchandise and share your valued opinions.

Denovo87
04-12-2009, 08:46 PM
Welcome capt Asad, on board. Very beautiful gun you have, I normaly say everyone to play safe but not to you as you have already been trained to :)

Rizshu
04-12-2009, 09:45 PM
Welcome Capt Sahab, very nice weapon you have................

AK47
04-12-2009, 09:54 PM
Nice gun, Captain Sb, an NP-42. Don't know why, but every time this gun is presented before me, can't somehow resist the urge to have one! Congrats Sir!

Salahuddin Ayubi
04-12-2009, 10:42 PM
Welcome aboard Captain. Hope you have a good time here at PG.

Looking forward to learning from your knowledge and experience.

139
04-12-2009, 10:49 PM
Thank you all for a warm welcome. I am an army officer. I'll try to answer all of your questions. There is no other std issue since walther p38's induction as a side arm which is a wwII weapon. Officers are auth to carry MP5A2. But recently POF tried to buy license for Kanuni S and Sarsilmaz B6. NP22(sig226 clone) is also under consideration. SSG Officers have Glock 17. I bought CF98 after going through the posts on this forum. FYI norinco is also a contractor to Pak Army for larger & more sophiticated weapons. I have been a member of its trial board. They really produce value for money.
Thanks sir for the valuable info.... can't wait to see our troops carrying Kanuni S as a side arm...

Happy shooting...

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139
04-12-2009, 10:51 PM
Looking forward to learning from your knowledge and experience.
Seconded...

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Capt Asad
04-12-2009, 11:06 PM
The idea of adopting Kanuni S was dropped because it did not have a safety decocker and there was some issue with the firing pin as well. NP22 was being considered seriously. 2000 pieces were bought for field testing. Results are "so far so good".

Salahuddin Ayubi
04-12-2009, 11:18 PM
The idea of adopting Kanuni S was dropped because it did not have a safety decocker and there was some issue with the firing pin as well. NP22 was being considered seriously. 2000 pieces were bought for field testing. Results are "so far so good".

NP22, the SIG 226 clone............... very nice. Was CZ999 also considered?

Ka_Khan
05-12-2009, 12:26 AM
Capt Asad Wellcome to PakGuns and congratulations on your purchase.I recently bought the same.You will love it. :)

Ka_Khan
05-12-2009, 12:32 AM
http://s3.postimage.org/1Ny08S.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=Pq1Ny08S)

Could someone tell me what is in that small brown paper bag?

9mm Luger
05-12-2009, 12:35 AM
maybe naswar!! :lol: :lol:

I guess it must be some kind of spare

Ka_Khan
05-12-2009, 01:03 AM
maybe naswar!! :lol: :lol:

I guess it must be some kind of spare

Shahbash...'ta la yadey gee..'? I can bring some if you wana taste ;)

ay_be_why
05-12-2009, 08:55 AM
guys captain's question remains standing.
captain saab from what i've read on the forum, the CF-98 comes with either a norinco stamp OR an Entercon stamp. Entercon is the manufacturer while norinco is more of an export contractor. so you're good as long as you have any one of them.

welcome to the forum. hope you enjoy your stay. thanks for joining. thanks for what you guys do.

Maximus
05-12-2009, 12:16 PM
Congrats Capt. Which unit and CO?
I guess u also belong someehere close to 66FF.They all got CF98s. batmen becharay saray mp5 lay kar phirtay hain :)

Different variants around. the most alarming being the ones members pointed out to be fresh entrants from DAK.
I dont think any two CF-98s will be entirely similar in all respects with the logos.

9mm Luger
05-12-2009, 12:59 PM
as long as it doesnt have a shaheen stamp that should b ok someone was saying the DAK clone with a shaheen was for 16k last night on the forum (sorry forgot which thread it was? maybe this one!!)

9mm Luger
05-12-2009, 01:05 PM
maybe naswar!! :lol: :lol:

I guess it must be some kind of spare

Shahbash...'ta la yadey gee..'? I can bring some if you wana taste ;)


za kho naswar na khruma!! :D

Gunpsycho
05-12-2009, 01:06 PM
Bro. i thing an extra firing pin in the brown paper bag why dont u open it

Zubair
05-12-2009, 01:19 PM
The idea of adopting Kanuni S was dropped because it did not have a safety decocker and there was some issue with the firing pin as well. NP22 was being considered seriously. 2000 pieces were bought for field testing. Results are "so far so good".

Sir, just for info. What tests are performed on a handgun for this

ay_be_why
05-12-2009, 01:34 PM
...I guess u also belong someehere close to 66FF.They all got CF98s...

as the sidearm or their own preference/purchase?

Maximus
05-12-2009, 02:42 PM
as a personal preference. Its like any brotherhood. a dozen buddies may decide to procure pistols of the same make through an authorised purchaser. they get good prices though. and guess what no SERIAL numbers on the permit issued by the CO.

as mentioned earlier official firearm is mp5

Gilani
05-12-2009, 06:24 PM
Very warm welcome Asad. How has been the performance of this gun on the range. Any problems? Did you fire any MP5 ammo with it?
regards

Gilani
05-12-2009, 06:29 PM
http://s3.postimage.org/1Ny08S.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=Pq1Ny08S)

Could someone tell me what is in that small brown paper bag?

Ka_Khan Sir, this small paper bag includes six spare items.
1. Firing pin safety.
2. Extractor pin safety.
3. Indication rod.
4. Trigger hammer pin.
5. Hammer spring pin.
6. Trigger spring.

regards

Gilani
05-12-2009, 06:43 PM
and guess what no SERIAL numbers on the permit issued by the CO.

Sir, Weapon make & ser no must be mentioned. If they have not been mentioned than its an enomoly (please dont quote the example of the specimen permit in the book; there are clear instructions on it given separately). And I would also request you to be careful about such comments as they may be misunderstood by someone not having detailed knowledge of the issue.

thanks and regards

Maximus
05-12-2009, 06:59 PM
and guess what no SERIAL numbers on the permit issued by the CO.

Sir, Weapon make & ser no must be mentioned. If they have not been mentioned than its an enomoly (please dont quote the example of the specimen permit in the book; there are clear instructions on it given separately). And I would also request you to be careful about such comments as they may be misunderstood by someone not having detailed knowledge of the issue.

thanks and regards

I have seen two permits personally. no serial number, or make. I am talking about the permit used for carry by all Punjab Military personnel. I may be incorrect if any other document exists but at any given time that permit( which is the size of an id card) suffices for going armed in public.

BERETTA M9 9mm
05-12-2009, 07:34 PM
Congrats Bro..................nice purchase

mktahir
05-12-2009, 07:57 PM
hi also i m purchase Weapon Cf- 98 is very light Gun is cool firing plz tell me i want brust magzing plz any one tell me how get.

plz reply me ***********

9mm Luger
05-12-2009, 08:56 PM
whats cool firing?? and a burst magazine?????? :/

Maximus
05-12-2009, 09:46 PM
he maybe meant....

cool = good/accurate

burst= fully auto otherwise known as PB

9mm please reply to him :)

9mm Luger
05-12-2009, 09:59 PM
@makhathir

With due respect
expecting burst from a CF-98 is like expecting a donkey to win FormualaF1 !! :lol:

Sir with due respect its not a glock with wonder switch.. if its firing cool just be content with that :cool:

Salahuddin Ayubi
05-12-2009, 10:04 PM
@makhathir

With due respect
expecting burst from a CF-98 is like expecting a donkey to win FormualaF1 !! :lol:



:lol:

9mm Luger
05-12-2009, 10:14 PM
@makhathir

With due respect
expecting burst from a CF-98 is like expecting a donkey to win FormualaF1 !! :lol:



:lol:


thats what I am trying to say why is that we expect a 30k gun to become a glock 18 by inserting some stupid magazine in it!! the mechanics are just not esigned to take the abuse of a full auto function!! :D

once explained I knew what the gentleman wanted a similar magazine which you have for TT..but that version of TT is neither successful nor safe

Maximus
05-12-2009, 10:56 PM
yesssir

well explained. it is awfully dangerous for any gun for that matter. but for these entry level pistols, just say NO to auto :mad:

Swar
05-12-2009, 11:04 PM
Salam, n welcome to the club,how many u have fired since purchase? or which brand?

Ka_Khan
05-12-2009, 11:08 PM
@Gilani.. Thanks a lot for the info.

AK47
05-12-2009, 11:31 PM
@makhathir

With due respect
expecting burst from a CF-98 is like expecting a donkey to win FormualaF1 !! :lol: @9mm Luger.........A donkey CAN win the race! All it takes is:
1) A medicated plastic glove
2) A handful of chilly powder.

Rest is technique!

Maximus
06-12-2009, 12:03 AM
hahaha, rated 18+

BTW

Capt Asad
06-12-2009, 12:28 AM
I'm honoured AK47. We all need each other more than ever before. May Allah bless us all & soon.

Maximus
06-12-2009, 12:37 AM
Captsb, a quick question.... when is firing week? i wanna join you wherever , whenever :D

AK47
06-12-2009, 12:41 AM
Capt Asad bro.........You're welcome, sir.

Capt Asad
06-12-2009, 01:07 AM
I'm taking some time off at home on leave. I'll fire the pistol at my unit's range. Gilani Sb thank you for saving me the trouble of explaining the contents of brown amulet. Every weapon using 9x19 cartridge can fire POF MkII-Z 9 mm rounds. And for F1, we have much more than a CF 98.

Capt Asad
06-12-2009, 01:17 AM
The most decisive evidence of authenticity, besides markings & etchings, as I see it, was the weight. The pistol weighs exactly 760 gms with one empty mag, which is as stated in the literature.

Slayerjatt
06-12-2009, 01:35 AM
The most decisive evidence of authenticity, besides markings & etchings, as I see it, was the weight. The pistol weighs exactly 760 gms with one empty mag, which is as stated in the literature.


+1. that could be an efficient way to discern counterfeits from the originals.

AK47
06-12-2009, 01:47 AM
@Slayer bro....... They usually weigh the same, almost. Weighed an 92fs clone once on a computerised scale, like those in bakeries. Found it to be some 940 grams or so, can't exactly recall.. Compared it to the site specifications of the original, there was "marginal" difference, think less than 1%!

Slayerjatt
06-12-2009, 01:58 AM
@Slayer bro....... They usually weigh the same, almost. Weighed an 92fs clone once on a computerised scale, like those in bakeries. Found it to be some 940 grams or so, can't exactly recall.. Compared it to the site specifications of the original, there was "marginal" difference, think less than 1%!

damn. :o

Topak
06-12-2009, 02:15 PM
@makhathir

With due respect
expecting burst from a CF-98 is like expecting a donkey to win FormualaF1 !! :lol: @9mm Luger.........A donkey CAN win the race! All it takes is:
1) A medicated plastic glove
2) A handful of chilly powder.

Rest is technique!
brother !
if you put chillies in its eyes then how it can see the way... ? ? ??
http://www.postimage.org/templates/images/smiley/confused/11.gif (http://www.postimage.org/)

Denovo87
06-12-2009, 02:30 PM
@makhathir

With due respect
expecting burst from a CF-98 is like expecting a donkey to win FormualaF1 !! :lol: @9mm Luger.........A donkey CAN win the race! All it takes is:
1) A medicated plastic glove
2) A handful of chilly powder.

Rest is technique!
brother !
if you put chillies in its eyes then how it can see the way... ? ? ??
http://www.postimage.org/templates/images/smiley/confused/11.gif (http://www.postimage.org/)

:lol: I really like your MASOOMIAT, Topak bro ;) I think by suggestin Chillies in eyes, AK47 wants to make the KHOTA run ANDHA DHUND ....:)

Salahuddin Ayubi
06-12-2009, 03:05 PM
:lol:

Hilarious

139
06-12-2009, 03:23 PM
@makhathir

With due respect
expecting burst from a CF-98 is like expecting a donkey to win FormualaF1 !! :lol: @9mm Luger.........A donkey CAN win the race! All it takes is:
1) A medicated plastic glove
2) A handful of chilly powder.

Rest is technique!
brother !
if you put chillies in its eyes then how it can see the way... ? ? ??
http://www.postimage.org/templates/images/smiley/confused/11.gif (http://www.postimage.org/)
I suspect you applied the technique the other way round....

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AK47
06-12-2009, 03:48 PM
Well, Well, Well, I appreciate the "masoomiat" of all commenting members, especially brother Topak's! Think so far, only Maximus and SA got the point! Denovo seems just around the corner!

AK47
06-12-2009, 03:52 PM
May I add, Denovo appears to be around the corner! Think he is quite there!

ay_be_why
06-12-2009, 03:56 PM
guys you have taken 9mm luger's suggestion and AK's tips too seriously.. :lol: let's get back to the topic shall we?? :)

Denovo87
06-12-2009, 03:59 PM
May I add, Denovo appears to be around the corner! Think he is quite there!

Trying to be look as... waisay I know anatomically the exact place to put chillie powder to make a khota run in F1 event ;)

Topak
06-12-2009, 04:04 PM
@9mm Luger.........A donkey CAN win the race! All it takes is:
1) A medicated plastic glove
2) A handful of chilly powder.

Rest is technique!
brother !
if you put chillies in its eyes then how it can see the way... ? ? ??
http://www.postimage.org/templates/images/smiley/confused/11.gif (http://www.postimage.org/)

:lol: I really like your MASOOMIAT, Topak bro ;) I think by suggestin Chillies in eyes, AK47 wants to make the KHOTA run ANDHA DHUND ....:)

Well, Well, Well, I appreciate the "masoomiat" of all commenting members, especially brother Topak's! Think so far, only Maximus and SA got the point! Denovo seems just around the corner!

:lol: :lol: :lol: teri MASOMIAT per kon na mer jai FARAZ.......... :D

actually i dont want to see KHOTA taking treatment of PILES...... so put chilies in EYES..... :P

back to topic...
as there are CF98 clones available in market and according to members its much difficult to differentiate them from originals...... Capt Sb should have to show their piece to senior members for verification.

AK47
06-12-2009, 04:05 PM
Lol! Denovo Sir! Just wanted you to declare color!

AK47
06-12-2009, 04:09 PM
Right, back to topic. I've seen a clone, yet not side by side to original. Separately, however, it looked quite fine!

AMaliks
06-12-2009, 05:29 PM
The idea of adopting Kanuni S was dropped because it did not have a safety decocker and there was some issue with the firing pin as well. NP22 was being considered seriously. 2000 pieces were bought for field testing. Results are "so far so good".


Kaptan sir would you kindly elaborate what was the issue with firing pin and decocker? I am kind of aik ho par naik ho guy and fired some 150+ round with Ks and your comments seems to put me in shak about its naki.

Topak
06-12-2009, 06:34 PM
The idea of adopting Kanuni S was dropped because it did not have a safety decocker and there was some issue with the firing pin as well. NP22 was being considered seriously. 2000 pieces were bought for field testing. Results are "so far so good".
it has decocker, but how much effective i dont know...and about firing pin problem...? can you elaborate it more please as i also own a kanuni S for SD and HD...

9mm Luger
06-12-2009, 06:44 PM
@makhathir

With due respect
expecting burst from a CF-98 is like expecting a donkey to win FormualaF1 !! :lol: @9mm Luger.........A donkey CAN win the race! All it takes is:
1) A medicated plastic glove
2) A handful of chilly powder.

Rest is technique!
brother !
if you put chillies in its eyes then how it can see the way... ? ? ??
http://www.postimage.org/templates/images/smiley/confused/11.gif (http://www.postimage.org/)


its not eyes its PB stuff and technique sir :lol: :P

AMaliks
06-12-2009, 09:52 PM
The idea of adopting Kanuni S was dropped because it did not have a safety decocker and there was some issue with the firing pin as well. NP22 was being considered seriously. 2000 pieces were bought for field testing. Results are "so far so good".
it has decocker, but how much effective i dont know...and about firing pin problem...? can you elaborate it more please as i also own a kanuni S for SD and HD...

+1 Topak normally at nite i carry one in pipe and decocked so i am also confused.

AK47
06-12-2009, 11:07 PM
Topak, AMalik bros........As regards the firing pin issue, Army's test must have been very exhaustive on the gun, so unless you're using it for the range, don't think that would be of any issue to you guyz. Yet, can't understand the conflicting notions on issue of decocker, however!

Gilani
07-12-2009, 06:09 PM
Every weapon using 9x19 cartridge can fire POF MkII-Z 9 mm rounds.

Not all, IMHO. Dont try this ammo with Taurus 24/7, bro. POF MkII-Z is a +P ammo, if I am not wrong.

139
07-12-2009, 10:44 PM
and what is meant by plus P ammo... is it for extra Phosphorous....?

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ay_be_why
08-12-2009, 10:40 AM
+P = high-pressure round. i.e. the round generating a higher pressure upon firing, due to more powder i guess.

Haider Shah
08-12-2009, 07:41 PM
Thank you all for a warm welcome. I am an army officer. I'll try to answer all of your questions. There is no other std issue since walther p38's induction as a side arm which is a wwII weapon. Officers are auth to carry MP5A2. But recently POF tried to buy license for Kanuni S and Sarsilmaz B6. NP22(sig226 clone) is also under consideration. SSG Officers have Glock 17. I bought CF98 after going through the posts on this forum. FYI norinco is also a contractor to Pak Army for larger & more sophiticated weapons. I have been a member of its trial board. They really produce value for money.

Buddy welcome on board, the profession you have deems maturity in all spheres. As any thing in air is not secure, same applies over here rest policies are very clear please abide by.
I hope you will be watch ful in limiting your ID, arsenal to your personal assets other wise certain eyes n Iz may step in ( brotherly advice)
Take care n enjoy plinking with CF- 98, regards

139
08-12-2009, 11:14 PM
eyes n Iz may step in
?

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Enigmatic Desires
09-12-2009, 02:33 AM
I know I am deviating from the topic. But honestly Haven't had such a good laugh in ages!!!

Abbas
24-12-2009, 12:33 AM
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Mangloo Ramzani
28-12-2009, 03:17 PM
Thank you all for a warm welcome. I am an army officer. I'll try to answer all of your questions. There is no other std issue since walther p38's induction as a side arm which is a wwII weapon. Officers are auth to carry MP5A2. But recently POF tried to buy license for Kanuni S and Sarsilmaz B6. NP22(sig226 clone) is also under consideration. SSG Officers have Glock 17. I bought CF98 after going through the posts on this forum. FYI norinco is also a contractor to Pak Army for larger & more sophiticated weapons. I have been a member of its trial board. They really produce value for money.

The NP22 is being issued as side arm to officers (not to all tough)

Plus, I thought SSG officers have a Glock 19 as standard issue, (or i might be wrong)

Maximus
28-12-2009, 04:17 PM
Thank you all for a warm welcome. I am an army officer. I'll try to answer all of your questions. There is no other std issue since walther p38's induction as a side arm which is a wwII weapon. Officers are auth to carry MP5A2. But recently POF tried to buy license for Kanuni S and Sarsilmaz B6. NP22(sig226 clone) is also under consideration. SSG Officers have Glock 17. I bought CF98 after going through the posts on this forum. FYI norinco is also a contractor to Pak Army for larger & more sophiticated weapons. I have been a member of its trial board. They really produce value for money.

The NP22 is being issued as side arm to officers (not to all tough)

Plus, I thought SSG officers have a Glock 19 as standard issue, (or i might be wrong)

yea its been dicussed but we have come to a conclusion that Norinco as Capt says is the official contractor for larger arms and ammunitions as well. whatever the case, the SSG get acess to the finest tools of the trade.

RFR
28-12-2009, 08:05 PM
I think Pak guns team must start reviewing about the maximum length of a particular THREAD as it gets totally OFF THE TRACK at times.............Thousand apologies in anticipation to all who don't like the idea:)

Taurus
28-12-2009, 08:14 PM
Pakguns will clean Threads as per mods and Admin gets time off topic is deleted!!

viper218
11-01-2010, 11:08 AM
Capt Asad , i think our conversation put you in doubt about your weapon. :)